Why stop at making a woman look sexy? Why be upset that her poses and such are also sexy? It seems like you have a very arbitrary cutoff point here. You have to explain so much more to have a semblance of coherency.
can't speak for direct but for me the issue of 'sexy poses' is when they're not intended by the character. E.g. if a character is actively trying to be teasing or seductive it doesn't actually bother me, (Juri can bend and flex all day and it wouldn't raise any issues with me: It's just part of who she is) but when someone like Cammy who's supposed to be little miss serious is doing 'sexy' poses it kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's why I don't like the camera getting stuffed up people's skirts or in their cleavage or whatever: if the character is going to be sexy, let them be sexy, don't make me feel like I'm watching someone's amateur peeping video
Dont want to start a Capcom vs SNK Character Design War but i always liked the SNK characters alot more because they are all just... well people. Street Fighter can get really silly and i'm personally not a big fan of it. But i feel like that wouldnt fit SF completely, there characters have always been kinda over the top.
That being said: ANNOUNCE A NEW GAME ALREADY SNK. I DONT EVEN CARE, GIMME MAXIMUM IMPACT 3
Some of the best SF characters (imo) were "just people." Makoto was the best SF design in ages and she was a female Ryu in that regard. Karate student in a gi.
Her build really isn't so big that it looks like she's juicing. The main difference between her new model and really pretty much every other female character in a videogames, is that they actually show her muscle definition now. And her muscles actually flex
Bad pic to show detail/definition. For reference. She looks like she's juicing to me. If anyone disagrees, that's fine. But that's some serious flex. Like, bodybuilding competition starve yourself and dehydrate before the event flex.
I really hope we get Juri just to see her in SFV style, the character models in general look great. I didn't like cammy's face until I played it person, overall her model is very good. Ken's face though is still bad.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ken's face looks completely different at TGS. While opinions on his outfit change are split, it's pretty much universal that there's something off with his face.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ken's face looks completely different at TGS. While opinions on his outfit change are split, it's pretty much universal that there's something off with his face.
His hair, really. His hair looks so playdough like in comparison to his face. The blond looks crayola yellow in color.. Outlines his face, and it looks weird. i know it isnt natural...but...
I am glad everyone is so vocal about my main though. Makes me feel so good that I might get what I want this time around.
I hope you all arent being this vocal because you plan on maining him too. That would cause a conflict with me.
His hair, really. His hair looks so playdough like in comparison to his face. The blond looks crayola yellow in color.. Outlines his face, and it looks weird. i know it isnt natural...but...
I am glad everyone is so vocal about my main though. Makes me feel so good that I might get what I want this time around.
I hope you all arent being this vocal because you plan on maining him too. That would cause a conflict with me.
can't speak for direct but for me the issue of 'sexy poses' is when they're not intended by the character. E.g. if a character is actively trying to be teasing or seductive it doesn't actually bother me, (Juri can bend and flex all day and it wouldn't raise any issues with me: It's just part of who she is) but when someone like Cammy who's supposed to be little miss serious is doing 'sexy' poses it kinda rubs me the wrong way. It's why I don't like the camera getting stuffed up people's skirts or in their cleavage or whatever: if the character is going to be sexy, let them be sexy, don't make me feel like I'm watching someone's amateur peeping video
The complaint isn't about women being sexy. Women can be sexy that is fine. The argument is that women who are designed to be sexy primarily for the men's eye is something that needs to be cutout/tone down. That it objectifies women.
For instance, some would argue The Boss in MGS is sexy, but isn't objectified in the same manner as lets say Mai Shiranui.
I honestly don't care for the most part either or. But I can understand why people want "sexy" but not one that is sexy just for men sake.
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For example. I think this is what more people want
and less of this
its not about getting rid of one or the other, but to create diversity.
Another example is Naoto in P4. Pending on what she wears, she can be sexy or "sexy" for the men who just want to see TnA
I wouldn't have much interest in Ken if I wasn't there for his reveal. I said I would main whoever they showed off at SDCC. I don't plan to go back on my word.
The character is a creation intended to please fans visually. The camera is no different. It may seem like there is separation, but there really isn't.
For example, just now I watched Cersi in Game of Thrones get a downblouse camera view, but she is always very respectable in the show. How could you interpret that other than fully intended?
well i guess its okay to just ignore a majority of my post and just focus on something you can counter.
Also mai pose is awkward as fuck on any gender. Go ask a girl to go do that pose next time they are in a fight. They definitely made it worse in KOF13. Look at the older kofs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AupCLTKxVoU
Bras are also worn by women due to health reasons. Poses are nothing more than a social creation. They serve no other function so equating bra to poses is really dumb.
The pose exist solely for male gaze to get their rocks off. Some people are just asking for more than just that and have diversity. A character can be sexy without flaunting TnA everywhere.
The character is a creation intended to please fans visually. The camera is no different. It may seem like there is separation, but there really isn't.
I don't think they ever mentioned where Psycho Power comes from. It's created by hatred and fear or some nonsense.
Oro is some old guy and he trains Ryu because he is impressed by his abilities. Ryu goes under his tutelage because he wants to be stronger of course.
Don't think too much about it. The Street Fighter story is strangely convoluted and bizarre. Akuma is trying to become a demon or some shit, while Dudley is... looking for his car.
I am pretty out of my depth here but I'll give it a shot.
As far as I know it's not explicitly stated in the games where Psycho Power comes from. Although I believe in the Alpha games his power was being enhanced by a machine called the Psycho Drive. There is a comic (not necessarily canon, but could be) that essentially establishes Psycho Power as a branch of Soul Power (used by Rose), which forces one to completely eliminate the "good" elements of one's soul in exchange for strength. This is somewhat supported by the fact that Rose supposedly possesses the elements from Bison's soul that he discarded. This is totally speculation on my part, but it could stand to reason that Soul and Psycho Power are things that have to be "acquired", whereas Akuma's power, the Satsui no Hado, is something that is latent within him (along with Ryu and possibly Sakura). Whatever the reason, Akuma doesn't respect Bison's power at all and pretty much destroys him. If Bison couldn't move his consciousness into a new body, he wouldn't even be alive for SF4.
As for Oro, he sees Ryu as a potential successor to his art. I am now speculating based on something I read in the wiki like 5 minutes ago, but it seems like Oro feels the path to martial arts mastery is through peace and not through murderous intent. This is something Ryu pursues relentlessly to understand, in part because it's what his master Gouken taught him, and also because Ryu is often tempted to succumb to the Satsui no Hado.
Tks for the replies fellas..that all actually sounds kinda cool. I don't really like Gil I've also read online that Ryu is stronger because he trains more, but Ken is theoretically more "talented" but his personality doesn't lend itself to reaching his full potential? Is this cannon like through the comics from Capcom or just because Ken usually beats Ryu up in flashbacks?
So Oro/Gil/Uryo are all stronger than Akuma? Don't really care for that, Akuma is still the best.
Tks for the replies fellas..that all actually sounds kinda cool. I don't really like Gil I've also read online that Ryu is stronger because he trains more, but Ken is theoretically more "talented" but his personality doesn't lend itself to reaching his full potential? Is this cannon like through the comics from Capcom or just because Ken usually beats Ryu up in flashbacks?
So Oro/Gil/Uryo are all stronger than Akuma? Don't really care for that, Akuma is still the best.
The character is a creation intended to please fans visually. The camera is no different. It may seem like there is separation, but there really isn't.
For example, just now I watched Cersi in Game of Thrones get a downblouse camera view, but she is always very respectable in the show. How could you interpret that other than fully intended?
I brought it up because I like DQ and wanted to talk with him about it. Normally I let it go, haha.
Except the camera is normally representative of the creators intention, and rarely a part of the world at all. The character is a creation of the creator meant to function within the world they cunstruct for the audience. The camera is the lens the creator used to show that constructed world, and is more often than not, totally divorced from the world and everything in it.
The intentions of one almost never overlaps with the other, so when the creator uses the camera to show something that clashes with the world/characters they've constructed, it can be jarring. It ruins the prestige and your left with a guy puppeteering what might have felt like (or still feel like) legitimate characters seconds before. If their intentions seem skeevy and out of place, it's going to feel skeevy and out of place.
The pose exist solely for male gaze to get their rocks off. Some people are just asking for more than just that and have diversity. A character can be sexy without flaunting TnA everywhere.
People keep calling it the "male gaze", but isn't it just another word for a trend in regards to the tastes of anyone attracted to women? It's not exclusive to men, it's not any less valid than any other taste someone might have, and I'd even say it's not nearly as widespread as people make it out to be.
Random thought: I really hope that Adon makes it into SFV eventually if only because Jaguar Kick and Jaguar Sleepover Revolver are amazingly cool moves and I want to see them rendered in the game's gorgeous aesthetic.
People keep calling it the "male gaze", but isn't it just another word for a trend in regards to the tastes of anyone attracted to women? It's not exclusive to men, it's not any less valid than any other taste someone might have, and I'd even say it's not nearly as widespread as people make it out to be.
yeah I'm not saying cut any one group out. Hell I love mai (and she is my main), but I don't want SNK to make King suddenly have TnA floating around to appease one group only. "gutter" stuff is a-okay to have. Just don't make it primarily that stuff or none at all. Balance is key
Ragingnight, I did not read the rest of your post. No disrespect, I just didn't want to venture outside of my singular point.
Also, I have been on the side of diversity this entire conversation. I am not sure why you put me on the opposite end. Especially since I am defending Cammy here, but you know a yamato nadeshiko like Yukiko is far more to my taste.
Except the camera is normally representative of the creators intention, and rarely a part of the world at all. The character is a creation of the creator meant to function within the world they cunstruct for the audience. The camera is the lens the creator used to show that constructed world, and is more often than not, totally divorced from the world and everything in it.
The intentions of one almost never overlaps with the other, so when the creator uses the camera to show something that clashes with the world/characters they've constructed, it can be jarring. It ruins the prestige and your left with a guy puppeteering what might have felt like (or still feel like) legitimate characters seconds before. If their intentions seem skeevy and out of place, it's going to feel skeevy and out of place.
People keep calling it the "male gaze", but isn't it just another word for a trend in regards to the tastes of anyone attracted to women? It's not exclusive to men, it's not any less valid than any other taste someone might have, and I'd even say it's not nearly as widespread as people make it out to be.
Ragingnight, I did not read the rest of your post. No disrespect, I just didn't want to venture outside of my singular point.
Also, I have been on the side of diversity this entire conversation. I am not sure why you put me on the opposite end. Especially since I am defending Cammy here, but you know a yamato nadeshiko like Yukiko is far more to my taste.
Why stop at making a woman look sexy? Why be upset that her poses and such are also sexy? It seems like you have a very arbitrary cutoff point here. You have to explain so much more to have a semblance of coherency.
My argument was against DQ's perspective that they shouldn't portray Canny that way, not that there shouldn't be a variety of accommodated tastes in character design and portrayal. I am glad to be understood better, though.
Just fix his Chiquita hair and he'd probably be fine. That image Village posted is actually a pretty decent attempt at cleaning up the mess on his head.
yeah I'm not saying cut any one group out. Hell I love mai (and she is my main), but I don't want SNK to make King suddenly have TnA floating around to appease one group only. "gutter" stuff is a-okay to have. Just don't make it primarily that stuff or none at all. Balance is key
