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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It

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CornBurrito

Member
franconp said:
I'm pro lynch this first day.
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It feels a bit odd to just randomly lynch someone when we have no information. I think the only thing that typically holds true is that there will be more Hope aligned players than Despair. Is the optimal day 1 strategy for Hope players to then lynch one random player? If my assumptions are correct, we have a higher chance of lynching a Hope aligned player than a Despair aligned player.

Perhaps we can find a textbook on game theory in one of the abandoned classrooms.
 
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franconp

Member
CornBurrito said:
It feels a bit odd to just randomly lynch someone when we have no information. I think the only thing that typically holds true is that there will be more Hope aligned players than Despair. Is the optimal day 1 strategy for Hope players to then lynch one random player? If my assumptions are correct, we have a higher chance of lynching a Hope aligned player than a Despair aligned player.

Perhaps we can find a textbook on game theory in one of the abandoned classrooms.
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The problem with not lynching someone the first day is that we don't get any new info. If we decide for a fast no lynch we gain nothing this first day and most likely we will have anything the next day.
 
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Barrylocke

Member
Its an age old argument, and the answer is always the same. Blood leads to information, and information is the light that shines to illuminate the road of hope.

...Granted, old records of prior scenariod like this show the Sicilians travelers prevailing after they hesitated to kill, and the Rebel innocents failing after they got their quick blood. But surely we'll be different. Right?
 
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Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
swamped said:
Everyone, I know this situation is far from ideal, but we MUST be brave and work together to drive out Despair from our hallowed institute.

Here are a few lessons I learnt from the previous game I was in (in which I died N1, here's hoping I make it to D2 this time ;_;)

1. Be active, contribute to discussions. When students are inactive, it just means that the scum's arguments carry more weight
2. For god's sake don't reveal your power day 1. BUT if you somehow have 9 votes against you and there's only ten minutes on the clock, at least consider hinting at a role! (RIP exmachina)
3. Voting is extremely powerful, so don't let that power go to waste. That said, let me use that power right now:

VOTE: AbsolutBro
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Taking a page out of my book huh... I like it!

Alow me to help

VOTE: AbsolutBro
 
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Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
And the snowball rolls...
 
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kgtrep

Member
I lean towards punishing someone too. (Can we agree on using the word punish instead of lynch, since we are in Danganronpa?)

Since there are 23 of us, there should be around 4 people in despair and 1 possibly neutral that could give in to despair.

We have at least 1/6 chance of correctly choosing them (it's like rolling a die) and would put them on edge, possibly revealing something about themselves, before the first night.
 
Rest

Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
How many votes are needed to lynch at this point?
 
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Kalor

Member
Well, I hope we can all enjoy ourselves.

I'm in support for lynching today. In the past two games I've been in, nobody was lynched Day 1 and we suffered the next day due to a lack of information from the first night kill.
 
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LaunchpadMcQ

Banned
Rest said:
How many votes are needed to lynch at this point?
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I copied the rules from Crab and it looks like it doesn't specify. I'm not going to implement Kark's infamous majority rules and instead use a simple majority. So, just more than half.

For this day phase, it will be 12.
 
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kgtrep

Member
LaunchpadMcQ said:
I copied the rules from Crab and it looks like it doesn't specify. I'm not going to implement Kark's infamous majority rules and instead use a simple majority. So, just more than half.

For this day phase, it will be 12.
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What happens if person A gets 9 votes, person B gets 3 votes, and the remaining 11 votes are for others and no punishment? Does person A get executed because he/she has the most votes, or does nothing happen that day?
 
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Swamped

Banned
kgtrep said:
What happens if person A gets 9 votes, person B gets 3 votes, and the remaining 11 votes are for others and no punishment? Does person A get executed because he/she has the most votes, or does nothing happen that day?
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In that case, the person with the most votes gets punished at the end of the day phase. If we do get a majority though the day ends early. I would not recommend this for the first day, as we need everyone to talk before we come to a decision!
 
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Pau

Member
I'm okay with voting on day one.

I'll probably decide by seeing if anyone doesn't speak up throughout the day. Might as well get rid of the people less invested in the game. Or the quiet ones. You can't trust the quiet ones.
 
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Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Pau said:
I'm okay with voting on day one.

I'll probably decide by seeing if anyone doesn't speak up throughout the day. Might as well get rid of the people less invested in the game. Or the quiet ones. You can't trust the quiet ones.
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RNH game one aside, when was the last time a quiet person EVER turned out to be mafia?
 
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Zippedpinhead

Member
I'm in for voting day 1 as well, I'm going to vote tomorrow though. Let some posts pile up before I make a decision.


Though I really want to just jump on that absolutbro vote
 
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LaunchpadMcQ

Banned
kgtrep said:
What happens if person A gets 9 votes, person B gets 3 votes, and the remaining 11 votes are for others and no punishment? Does person A get executed because he/she has the most votes, or does nothing happen that day?
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Whatever choice has the most votes wins out, be that a single player or a NO PUNISHMENT vote. Abstaining from voting doesn't count as a choice. Once a majority on whatever decision is reached, in this case 12 votes, the phase will end.

If a majority isn't reached by the end of the day phase, whichever decision has the most votes wins out.
 
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LaunchpadMcQ

Banned
I apologize to new people. I should have read the rules more carefully. There's information missing about what happens when the Day Phase ends without a majority. I've just added it in.
nice going Crab >_>

21. Once an option has received a strict majority (more than half) of the available votes, the day ends with the Lynch of that player or a No Lynch (whichever applies). Once this has happened, any further votes or unvotes that Phase will not be counted, and the Night Phase will begin shortly. If a Day Phase ends and a majority for a choice has not been reached, the option with the highest number of votes will take effect. There must be a minimum of two (2) votes for a choice to be considered a plurality; if this condition is not met, the Day Phase will end with NO PUNISHMENT.
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kgtrep

Member
All right, an hour's up. I've been monitoring who are present but haven't said anything. Let's make this game interesting.

VOTE: Splinter
 
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Sawneeks

Banned
I'm down with a day 1 vote if only to get things moving and get some possible information out in the open. But before I cast a vote I am going to wait a little longer to see who shows up and who doesn't.
 
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Ourobolus

Banned
Just a quick note: you do not have to UNVOTE before re-voting. Casting a new vote overrides your previous one. UNVOTE simply erases it.
 
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Ourobolus

Banned
LaunchpadMcQ said:
Go moderate your own game.

Oh wait, it hasn't started yet has it?

upupupu
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Nah, we decided to take things nice and slow. Didn't want to blow our load so quickly, you see. I can see that you've gone off half-cocked, and then even failed at centering your rooms.

PHRASING BOOM
 
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LaunchpadMcQ

Banned
Ourobolus said:
Nah, we decided to take things nice and slow. Didn't want to blow our load so quickly, you see. I can see that you've gone off half-cocked, and then even failed at centering your rooms.

PHRASING BOOM
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So we're just done with phrasing, right, that's not a thing anymore?
 
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kgtrep

Member
Ourobolus said:
Just a quick note: you do not have to UNVOTE before re-voting. Casting a new vote overrides your previous one. UNVOTE simply erases it.
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I know. It was dramatic flair.


Hagi said:
I think I'll wait till Absolut replies before jumping on any seemingly random punishment trains.
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What about *Splinter? Do you care about his response, or are you dividing our votes by diverting our attention to Absolut instead?
 
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*Splinter

Member
Well this is my first time playing, so I had planned to wait for a few posts to come in before sticking my neck out. Buuuut I already got a vote somehow, so there goes that plan.

Not much to comment on so far, but I agree we should have a day 1 punishment. Reluctantly agree, that is. At this stage with nothing to go on the only people with any knowledge are the Mafia (Despair?), so I'm afraid it would be all too easy for them to steer the vote away from themselves (so I disagree with th 1/6 chance suggested earlier). Still, voting is our most important power so I think we have to use it.

Based on the vast amount of posts made so far, here are my current suspects. Take with an enormous pinch of salt.

1. swamped
First post of the game and already a vote cast. Starting the bandwagon rolling at random, or on someone she knows to be innocent?

2. Terrabyte20xx
Very keen to join swamped's vote. 2 of them is almost certainly enough to start the bandwagon rolling and probably doom AbsolutBro. Seems almost too blatant, but on the other hand...

3. AbsolutBro
But what if AbsolutBro is ALSO a mafia?? What if this was just a ploy to cast early votes that will be changed anyway, allowing Mafia members to put distance between themselves?

4. *Splinter
Accusing people already, maybe trying to move the vote away from AbsolutBro? Trying to protect a mafia ally?? Maybe all 4 of us are Mafia?? WHERE DO THE LIES END???

5. kgtrep
I got a little ahead of myself with 3 & 4, but back to being serious now. kgtrep seems to have ignored the early votes and is trying to move the discussion elsewhere. Maybe swamped got lucky with the early pick forcing someone to defend? I think it's extremely unlikely, but with not much to go on its enough for him to be on my radar.
Also he voted for me, so fuck that.

VOTE: kgtrep

I will of course change my vote as soon as he does. I don't know who I will change it to.

(1 post in and I can already tell this is going to be a pain in the arse for mobile GAF)
 
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Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
*Splinter said:
Well this is my first time playing, so I had planned to wait for a few posts to come in before sticking my neck out. Buuuut I already got a vote somehow, so there goes that plan.

Not much to comment on so far, but I agree we should have a day 1 punishment. Reluctantly agree, that is. At this stage with nothing to go on the only people with any knowledge are the Mafia (Despair?), so I'm afraid it would be all too easy for them to steer the vote away from themselves (so I disagree with th 1/6 chance suggested earlier). Still, voting is our most important power so I think we have to use it.

Based on the vast amount of posts made so far, here are my current suspects. Take with an enormous pinch of salt.

1. swamped
First post of the game and already a vote cast. Starting the bandwagon rolling at random, or on someone she knows to be innocent?

2. Terrabyte20xx
Very keen to join swamped's vote. 2 of them is almost certainly enough to start the bandwagon rolling and probably doom AbsolutBro. Seems almost too blatant, but on the other hand...

3. AbsolutBro
But what if AbsolutBro is ALSO a mafia?? What if this was just a ploy to cast early votes that will be changed anyway, allowing Mafia members to put distance between themselves?

4. *Splinter
Accusing people already, maybe trying to move the vote away from AbsolutBro? Trying to protect a mafia ally?? Maybe all 4 of us are Mafia?? WHERE DO THE LIES END???

5. kgtrep
I got a little ahead of myself with 3 & 4, but back to being serious now. kgtrep seems to have ignored the early votes and is trying to move the discussion elsewhere. Maybe swamped got lucky with the early pick forcing someone to defend? I think it's extremely unlikely, but with not much to go on its enough for him to be on my radar.
Also he voted for me, so fuck that.

VOTE: kgtrep

I will of course change my vote as soon as he does. I don't know who I will change it to.

(1 post in and I can already tell this is going to be a pain in the arse for mobile GAF)
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Ah an OMGUS... I love mafia!
 
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kgtrep

Member
That's cool, *Splinter. I accept your vote.

By accusing you, I brought out two people whom I believed to be suspicious along with you, and they are none other than Hagi and Sawneeks.

Funny thing is, they both said they support voting on day one but will wait, so that the rest of us would have doubts about doing anything.

See, if I get lynched today, it would well mean that I was right about one or all of you being mafia, and the rest of us could vote for you very soon.

I am aligned with Hope, so I just need some of us to survive and wipe out all you mafia to win this game.
 
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CornBurrito

Member
I don't think swamped is mafia.

We know almost for certain that there are more Hope than Despair players. What the ratio is I don't know. Powers are used at night (I believe that is the case for most games?) meaning neither Hope nor Despair has any info gained from their use. The Hope players are blind, but the Despair players know who each other are (I think that is the case).

This means on Day 1 the Despair players have roughly two options.

1. Sit back and let a Hope player lead the random bandwagon. Because of the distribution of players, the chance that Hope accidentally punish another Hope player is high. Meanwhile suspicions might be placed on whichever player(s) led the initial bandwagon. Best case scenario is Hope accidentally punishes two of their own on Day1 and Day2.

2. Start the initial bandwagon because that is for certain a Hope player you can eliminate. However this is risky for the reasons outlined in 1. The person leading the bandwagon arouses suspicion. Doubly so if it ends up being that the punished player ends up Hope aligned. The average case is that the bandwagon succeeds in getting rid of a Hope player, but then the player who led the bandwagon is suspicious and might be the one targeted on Day 2. Provided a bigger more obvious target doesn't come up. Worst case is that one Hope player is traded for one Despair player. This doesn't seem like much of an advantage.

It seems to be that the best move for Despair would be to NOT lead the bandwagon and sit back. Perhaps only intervening if a Despair player was coincidentally picked as the initial bandwagon.

Though Despair could use mind games and go with option 2, but with a twist. The Despair players lead a Day 1 bandwagon against another Despair player. That Despair player who led the bandwagon becomes defacto Hope leader and then steers people wrong at key moments to ultimately lead to a Despair victory. I've seen it before in mafia, but its super high risk and I'm not sure if the reward is honestly that high.
 
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CornBurrito

Member
Thinking on it more, it honestly probably won't matter what AbsolutBro says. Hope aligned or Despair aligned, the only thing you'd say in either case is "trust me I'm Hope aligned". And there's no good way to gauge truthiness on the internet.

So with that said, I'll contribute to this bandwagon.


VOTE: AbsolutBro
 
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LaunchpadMcQ

Banned
I'm bored, so here's an update.

Time Remaining in the Day Phase:
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Current votes
(12 votes needed for majority):
Names with a strike voted, and then unvoted.

AbsolutBro
swamped
Terrabyte20xx
CornBurrito

*Splinter
kgtrep

kgtrep
*Splinter
 
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Barrylocke

Member
Vote updates from the MODERATOR and not the player? And so soon? It figures that the psycho-bear is the one that's the most on the ball about this sort of thing.
 
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LaunchpadMcQ

Banned
Barrylocke said:
Vote updates from the MODERATOR and not the player? And so soon? It figures that the psycho-bear is the one that's the most on the ball about this sort of thing.
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I'm trying not to post much, but when there's a lull, I'll throw in an update to remind people where things stand
 
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CzarTim

Member
just fyi the only 3 people who didn't vote to lynch someone day one in star wars mafia all turned out to be scum so if anyone here doesn't vote or votes no lynch I'll just assume you are mafia.

also lol at crab asking for the start time to be moved up and not even being here.
 
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CzarTim

Member
Makai said:
I want to discourage people from revealing their role, even if they are being threatened with death. Star Wars was pretty easy for Mafia because all of the rebel power roles revealed themselves in the opening turns. Don't give clues. Don't make up a story. If you reveal yourself as a power role, you have put yourself in the queue for mafia night kill.
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So the other day my ma’s on the phone with a cop because my sister bit a doctor. They wanted us to watch ‘er more closely or else they’d jail ‘er. It’s such a weird thing to happen in our ordinary town, and she’s such an innocent child. Pa’s got two jobs; bodyguard at the motion detector factory and a miller at the Governar’s farm. The bus driver says Pa’s his favorite commuter even though Pa’s a paranoid gun owner – open carries everywhere he goes. My brother is a soldier; a lightning rod, like that Guster song goes, but he’ll return home. A true survivor.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
CzarTim said:
just fyi the only 3 people who didn't vote to lynch someone day one in star wars mafia all turned out to be scum so if anyone here doesn't vote or votes no lynch I'll just assume you are mafia.

also lol at crab asking for the start time to be moved up and not even being here.
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Yeah, sorry about that. It was still 11:00 PM in fairness for me and I had a long bar shift so I was pretty knackered.

I advocate lynching rather than no-lynching. Not because our odds of hitting a Despair player are good (they aren't), but because if we don't lynch then we have one less piece of information to work with tomorrow. Who gets lynched reveals a lot: how comfortable people are voting, how often they vote switch, who they target, why they target, and a number of over things. If people are inconsistent with what they reveal early on, or alternatively consistent with players whoare later revealed to be Despair, then we have a good reason to suspect them. We can't do that if we never got that information.

At the moment I'd rather goad activity out of people, so why are you not talking?

VOTE: A Human Becoming
 
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*Splinter

Member
kgtrep said:
See, if I get lynched today, it would well mean that I was right about one or all of you being mafia, and the rest of us could vote for you very soon.

I am aligned with Hope, so I just need some of us to survive and wipe out all you mafia to win this game.
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While I agree with this sentiment in theory, in practice I've been looking forward to this and really want to contribute beyond the day 1 no information stage :p

Having slept on the situation, I've come to the same conclusion that Burrito described above.

I was considering voting for another non-poster to get more people involved, but it seems every except Absolut is safe now anyway, so let's see what he has to say for himself.

VOTE: AbsolutBro
 
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