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Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 might get an "Adjusted" version in west if the demand is high.

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juicyb

Member
"Adjusted" version? I REALLY don't like the sound of that. DOAX was always a goofy spinoff featuring an all female cast. I, however, wouldn't mind an option somewhere in settings to allow whatever "Adjusted" features are added or taken away to be turned off or on. Put the option if you must, but allow me to actually decide if I want to use it or not. thx
 
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CaviarMeths

Member
KingBroly said:
So it's either...
A - She's a response to Marie Rosa haters
B - She's a clone with bigger boobs
C - Team Ninja got REALLY lazy
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I like to think that it's a big troll. They release the exact same character with bigger breasts and everyone falls over themselves to praise the sexiness of the design. It's amusing. Characters that are "clearly 15" are OK to be sexualized as long as they have giant tits.
 
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Nesther

Member
CaviarMeths said:
Couldn't find a good image that has a clear side-by-side comparison of the bodies, but their waists and hips don't appear to be different. Bust size is... creating an optical illusion of sorts.

But yeah, it's the same character with a bigger rack. Apparently "oppai loli" is more culturally acceptable in the West.
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Now that is some Ace Attorney-tier told. I didn't know Team Ninja reuses face models. Are there any other examples?
 
K

KingBroly

Banned
CaviarMeths said:
I like to think that it's a big troll. They release the exact same character with bigger breasts and everyone falls over themselves to praise the sexiness of the design. It's amusing. Characters that are "clearly 15" are OK to be sexualized as long as they have giant tits.
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Her boobs are too big. And the whole sexualization problem comes down to the costumes, which, for Marie Rose, cross the line for a lot of people.
 
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RockTurtle

Member
maybe we should wait before we jump to conclusions.

But if the series does end up being censored due to current western gaming media sensitivities.... some people are gonna be eating a lot of crows. i would have to build a hefty "i told you so" list, but hopefully it won't come to that.
 
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lord_lad

Banned
'Adjusted'?

Oh yeah...The feminist in the western wold probably will complain about it.

Will adding a few naked men in DOA Extreme 3 appease the feminist then?
 
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Pachinko

Member
All this arguement over Honoka and Marie rose misses the key problem- they're both terrible characters and appear to be too young.

There's a stark contrast here - back in doa2 came out , Kasumi and Ayane were intended to be 15/16 years old but at the time I was the same age so it didn't feel kind of off putting. Plus , they came across as bad ass ninja girls so I didn't mind even as I got a bit older.

Even with DOA5's initial release they've aged up all the characters - every girl is at least 18 now and actually looks at least that old... until they made Marie Rose. Marie Rose just looks like a 12 year old girl , if it were the case that the rest of the cast didn't have such obvious differences in the way they're all modeled (the adult women in the cast all have curves) than it might not be so obvious but the fact is , outside of Marie Rose they all look like adults. A concentrated effort exists with her design, she's mean to look like a young teen girl to appeal to that particular moe mindset present in japanese otaku.

I think it's gross because a large part of what makes DOA the thing it is today is that they are selling the game as a fighting game and a wanking simulator. When the wanking simulator sexualizes someone that looks 12 , I'm going to be disgusted. Frankly I would have thought it was gross even way back in 1999 if this character existed in DOA2.

So what's the deal with Honoka ? she was a slapped together character built to go after the same audience. She's clearly also meant to be a teenager - the clutzy giant breasted anime girl stereotype though instead of a lolicon. It's still kind of gross pandering. I can also admit there's a certain line here that DOA only crosses because it's current artstyle is leaning to far towards the realistic side of things. The senran kagura games are filled with characters really no better than honoka but that games artstyle is well, super cartoon-y looking anime , there's no mistaking those characters for humans. It feels cheesecake rather than straight up pornographic too.

So honestly, if DOAX3 ends up coming to western audiences and the adjustments are that these 2 characters are omitted from the game then thumbs up. Even better if they just omit them from the Japanese version too.
 
ShinMaruku

ShinMaruku

Member
CaviarMeths said:
I like to think that it's a big troll. They release the exact same character with bigger breasts and everyone falls over themselves to praise the sexiness of the design. It's amusing. Characters that are "clearly 15" are OK to be sexualized as long as they have giant tits.
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Ayane was 16 in the previous DOAX and 14 in Ninja Gaiden. I too think it's a massive troll.
 
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raven777

Member
Pachinko said:
All this arguement over Honoka and Marie rose misses the key problem- they're both terrible characters and appear to be too young.

There's a stark contrast here - back in doa2 came out , Kasumi and Ayane were intended to be 15/16 years old but at the time I was the same age so it didn't feel kind of off putting. Plus , they came across as bad ass ninja girls so I didn't mind even as I got a bit older.

Even with DOA5's initial release they've aged up all the characters - every girl is at least 18 now and actually looks at least that old... until they made Marie Rose. Marie Rose just looks like a 12 year old girl , if it were the case that the rest of the cast didn't have such obvious differences in the way they're all modeled (the adult women in the cast all have curves) than it might not be so obvious but the fact is , outside of Marie Rose they all look like adults. A concentrated effort exists with her design, she's mean to look like a young teen girl to appeal to that particular moe mindset present in japanese otaku.

I think it's gross because a large part of what makes DOA the thing it is today is that they are selling the game as a fighting game and a wanking simulator. When the wanking simulator sexualizes someone that looks 12 , I'm going to be disgusted. Frankly I would have thought it was gross even way back in 1999 if this character existed in DOA2.

So what's the deal with Honoka ? she was a slapped together character built to go after the same audience. She's clearly also meant to be a teenager - the clutzy giant breasted anime girl stereotype though instead of a lolicon. It's still kind of gross pandering. I can also admit there's a certain line here that DOA only crosses because it's current artstyle is leaning to far towards the realistic side of things. The senran kagura games are filled with characters really no better than honoka but that games artstyle is well, super cartoon-y looking anime , there's no mistaking those characters for humans. It feels cheesecake rather than straight up pornographic too.

So honestly, if DOAX3 ends up coming to western audiences and the adjustments are that these 2 characters are omitted from the game then thumbs up. Even better if they just omit them from the Japanese version too.
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Yea because you dont like those 2 characters and find them gross that you want them to completely remove them even from version you won't be playing....

Ok......
 
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RockTurtle

Member
Pachinko said:
All this arguement over Honoka and Marie rose misses the key problem- they're both terrible characters and appear to be too young.

There's a stark contrast here - back in doa2 came out , Kasumi and Ayane were intended to be 15/16 years old but at the time I was the same age so it didn't feel kind of off putting. Plus , they came across as bad ass ninja girls so I didn't mind even as I got a bit older.

Even with DOA5's initial release they've aged up all the characters - every girl is at least 18 now and actually looks at least that old... until they made Marie Rose. Marie Rose just looks like a 12 year old girl , if it were the case that the rest of the cast didn't have such obvious differences in the way they're all modeled (the adult women in the cast all have curves) than it might not be so obvious but the fact is , outside of Marie Rose they all look like adults. A concentrated effort exists with her design, she's mean to look like a young teen girl to appeal to that particular moe mindset present in japanese otaku.

I think it's gross because a large part of what makes DOA the thing it is today is that they are selling the game as a fighting game and a wanking simulator. When the wanking simulator sexualizes someone that looks 12 , I'm going to be disgusted. Frankly I would have thought it was gross even way back in 1999 if this character existed in DOA2.

So what's the deal with Honoka ? she was a slapped together character built to go after the same audience. She's clearly also meant to be a teenager - the clutzy giant breasted anime girl stereotype though instead of a lolicon. It's still kind of gross pandering. I can also admit there's a certain line here that DOA only crosses because it's current artstyle is leaning to far towards the realistic side of things. The senran kagura games are filled with characters really no better than honoka but that games artstyle is well, super cartoon-y looking anime , there's no mistaking those characters for humans. It feels cheesecake rather than straight up pornographic too.

So honestly, if DOAX3 ends up coming to western audiences and the adjustments are that these 2 characters are omitted from the game then thumbs up. Even better if they just omit them from the Japanese version too.
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i disagree with this sentiment.

if you can't make the disconnect with characters that appear young and is a fictional character that's fine. you don't HAVE to like them and you are justified in your feelings.

but calling for outright removal from all versions, even their home release where culture and intricate definitions of what is considered ok are based on geography, then you lose me.

just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others shouldn't and be denied. your sensitivities are your own.

as for the whole "young appearances are bad, if they look 12 they must be 12" thing, i REALLY don't wanna link the other thread with the young looking asian mcdonalds employee. an adult woman.
 
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Tohsaka

Member
Pachinko said:
All this arguement over Honoka and Marie rose misses the key problem- they're both terrible characters and appear to be too young.

There's a stark contrast here - back in doa2 came out , Kasumi and Ayane were intended to be 15/16 years old but at the time I was the same age so it didn't feel kind of off putting. Plus , they came across as bad ass ninja girls so I didn't mind even as I got a bit older.

Even with DOA5's initial release they've aged up all the characters - every girl is at least 18 now and actually looks at least that old... until they made Marie Rose. Marie Rose just looks like a 12 year old girl , if it were the case that the rest of the cast didn't have such obvious differences in the way they're all modeled (the adult women in the cast all have curves) than it might not be so obvious but the fact is , outside of Marie Rose they all look like adults. A concentrated effort exists with her design, she's mean to look like a young teen girl to appeal to that particular moe mindset present in japanese otaku.

I think it's gross because a large part of what makes DOA the thing it is today is that they are selling the game as a fighting game and a wanking simulator. When the wanking simulator sexualizes someone that looks 12 , I'm going to be disgusted. Frankly I would have thought it was gross even way back in 1999 if this character existed in DOA2.

So what's the deal with Honoka ? she was a slapped together character built to go after the same audience. She's clearly also meant to be a teenager - the clutzy giant breasted anime girl stereotype though instead of a lolicon. It's still kind of gross pandering. I can also admit there's a certain line here that DOA only crosses because it's current artstyle is leaning to far towards the realistic side of things. The senran kagura games are filled with characters really no better than honoka but that games artstyle is well, super cartoon-y looking anime , there's no mistaking those characters for humans. It feels cheesecake rather than straight up pornographic too.

So honestly, if DOAX3 ends up coming to western audiences and the adjustments are that these 2 characters are omitted from the game then thumbs up. Even better if they just omit them from the Japanese version too.
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Yeah, they should just remove everything from games that could potentially offend someone just to be safe.
 
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-Horizon-

Member
RockTurtle said:
i disagree with this sentiment.

if you can't make the disconnect with characters that appear young and is a fictional character that's fine. you don't HAVE to like them and you are justified in your feelings.

but calling for outright removal from all versions, even their home release where culture and intricate definitions of what is considered ok are based on geography, then you lose me.

just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others shouldn't and be denied. your sensitivities are your own.

as for the whole "young appearances are bad, if they look 12 they must be 12" thing, i REALLY don't wanna link the other thread with the young looking asian mcdonalds employee. an adult woman.
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That thread was certainly something lol
 
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Trojan X

Banned
Shmuely Bully said:
So the short version is Asian import superior confirmed?
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Basically yes. If the complaints are low then the west will be the same as the east. However, if the complaints are high due to SJWs, feminists, as silly boys who complain about breast and sizes but they are also the ones that look at japanese and western porn now and again anyway, then the west version will be adjusted in response to those complaints. Therefore, expect tons of pr for this game so the dev can gauge the responses early and expect a japan release first and west release after.
 
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Hours Left

Member
lord_lad said:
'Adjusted'?

Oh yeah...The feminist in the western wold probably will complain about it.

Will adding a few naked men in DOA Extreme 3 appease the feminist then?
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I think a lot of feminists would applaud seeing the dudes paraded around in thongs and speedos. Contrary to some schools of thought, you can still advocate for equality while enjoying some eye candy. When it's balanced, everyone wins.

Note: This is not directed at you specifically, just a general statement. Wanting to see equal treatment for everyone is a good thing, yeah?
 
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Neiteio

Member
I think it's pretty obvious what "adjusted" means.

Take the loli character. Give her a twin who's always with her. Combined, their age would practically equal 18. Practically.

And twins, Basil. Twins.

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Hubb

Member
Hours Left said:
I think a lot of feminists would applaud seeing the dudes paraded around in thongs and speedos. Contrary to some schools of thought, you can still advocate for equality while enjoying some eye candy. When it's balanced, everyone wins.

Note: This is not directed at you specifically, just a general statement. Wanting to see equal treatment for everyone is a good thing, yeah?
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While I do hope "adjusted" means they are adding men in the Western version, I'm not getting my hopes up. I personally wouldn't partake in it, but having options is better than not having them.
 
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lord_lad

Banned
Hours Left said:
I think a lot of feminists would applaud seeing the dudes paraded around in thongs and speedos. Contrary to some schools of thought, you can still advocate for equality while enjoying some eye candy. When it's balanced, everyone wins.

Note: This is not directed at you specifically, just a general statement. Wanting to see equal treatment for everyone is a good thing, yeah?
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equal treatment = more naked men and dongs in the game then.

i mean...we have wobbly boobs and women being objectified in the game. The only Equal treatment and 'balancing out' is to add dicks and objectify men too.

One thing though, i don't think any men will be up in arms about it.
 
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CaviarMeths

Member
lord_lad said:
One thing though, i don't think any men will be up in arms about it.
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What I find interesting about the portray of male nudity in mainstream media is how it's usually used for comedic purposes. Like a big shot of man ass in a movie is generally there for laughs. And I mean, what's funnier than a mosiac'd dong flopping about in a music video or sitcom?

Even children's movies sometimes have male nudity for comedy. A man's butt gets laughs, and the kids go "Ew! Gross! Haha!" but a woman's butt is almost always supposed to be sexy and would probably result in the movie getting a PG-13 rating.
 
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Hours Left

Member
lord_lad said:
equal treatment = more naked men and dongs in the game then.

i mean...we have wobbly boobs and women being objectified in the game. The only Equal treatment and 'balancing out' is to add dicks and objectify men too.

One thing though, i don't think any men will be up in arms about it.
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Well, I don't totally agree with that. The portrayal of female characters in general needs a great deal of work still.

And there would definitely be some men expressing their discomfort, rather from some misplaced macho bravado (being sexualized is a type of vulnerability that some misconstrue as weakness) while others would bluster to hide their latent feelings of attraction.

But as I said, an increase in male sexualization would be greatly beneficial to the medium, and hopefully promote a more healthy perception of this type of content in general. There's nothing wrong with sex, but just as it mustn't be the end all/be all of every female character's representation, male characters could certainly use a big push in that direction for a variety of reasons.

CaviarMeths said:
What I find interesting about the portray of male nudity in mainstream media is how it's usually used for comedic purposes. Like a big shot of man ass in a movie is generally there for laughs. And I mean, what's funnier than a mosiac'd dong flopping about in a music video or sitcom?

Even children's movies sometimes have male nudity for comedy. A man's butt gets laughs, and the kids go "Ew! Gross! Haha!" but a woman's butt is almost always supposed to be sexy and would probably result in the movie getting a PG-13 rating.
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That speaks to a much deeper issue of how the male and female body is portrayed in all artistic mediums. A man's body is rather a symbol of power or ridicule, while a woman's is one of overt sexuality or misplaced puritanical virtue.

While in reality, for both genders it can be all of the above and much, much more. Sadly there are literally thousands of years of ingrained mores and bias surrounding the role of gender and sex in society, and it's not easy to break away from them when appealing to the masses. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying though.
 
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GamerJM

Banned
I'll be honest, I don't really see the motivation for not releasing this over here because of gaming's modern climate (if that really is the reason it's not being released, and not because they doubt a localization would break even for other reasons). I don't care whether these DoA Extreme games get released over here or not, but I'm just talking from a business perspective. Like, I highly doubt any backlash from the gaming media or from feminists within the gaming community or whatever else would do actual damage to the game's sales when the creep pervs (or fans of volleyball games) would just buy the game anyways. If the game's developers actually agree with the criticism then they wouldn't make the game in the first place, so it's obviously not that either.
 
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Alex_Mexico

Member
CaviarMeths said:
Couldn't find a good image that has a clear side-by-side comparison of the bodies, but their waists and hips don't appear to be different. Bust size is... creating an optical illusion of sorts.

But yeah, it's the same character with a bigger rack. Apparently "oppai loli" is more culturally acceptable in the West.
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You make a compelling argument. I'm still not convinced about the rest of the body (sans boobage and height) being a copy-paste of Marie.

I insist extra breasts (and, yes, height) do make her look considerably older and, of course, acceptable. Big boobs are a sign of maturity. Flat chests by themselves are not. Thus big breasts do help make a character look older.

Also in my defense couldn't you make the argument that many DoA girls have the same face and body type with the exception of the size of the breasts?
 
Acquiescence

Acquiescence

Member
We all know what "adjusted" really means. They should know their audience enough by now to realise that censoring the game for localisation is going to piss off one side while hardly appeasing the other. They should just go all out and not give a fuck about what the wallflower types who are opposed to this kind of content think. Not that I'm desperate to play this perv simulator or anything, but such form of censorship irks me to no end. I bet the finished product will still end up being massively tame compared to what you see in some other mediums.
 
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Hubb

Member
Alex_Mexico said:
I insist extra breasts (and, yes, height) do make her look considerably older and, of course, acceptable. Big boobs are a sign of maturity. Flat chests by themselves are not. Thus big breasts do help make a character look older.
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Put them in a match together, they are the same height.
 
OmegaDL50

OmegaDL50

Member
Hubb said:
Put them in a match together, they are the same height.
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It doesn't hurt to also mention the fact that modders have analyzed whatever they could from the PC version of DOA5, and determined outside of breast size and hairstyle, basically Honoka and Marie Rose are nearly identical models at a base.
 
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Jotamide

Unconfirmed Member
benny_a said:
Adjust the fiction. The women are now all 3000 year old dragons.
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ROFL. I don't believe a thing they're saying. They are probably deciding how to make this into a profitable DLC cashcow. Just like DOA5.
 
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Alex_Mexico

Member
OmegaDL50 said:
It doesn't hurt to also mention the fact that modders have analyzed whatever they could from the PC version of DOA5, and determined outside of breast size and hairstyle, basically Honoka and Marie Rose are nearly identical models at a base.
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I was under the impression Honoka was at least 2.5 cm (1 inch) taller than Marie but I'll have to take your word for it.

Her skin color and eyes are also different. Less rounded and smaller but by know I admit I may be splitting hairs.

I do stand by my argument that big breasts help make a character look at least marginally older. They certainly help more than a flat chest ever could. Especially on girls looking like Honoka/MR.
 
UberTag

UberTag

Member
This game has nothing going for it beyond smut and fan service.
If you're going to water that shit down to placate the puritans and their delicate Western sensibilities, you might as well not even release it here.
Get some B-grade developer to churn out another gore-filled Ninja Gaiden sequel with decapitations aplenty for them.

Last I checked Sony platforms were region-free.
 
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WildEagle18

Member
Pachinko said:
All this arguement over Honoka and Marie rose misses the key problem- they're both terrible characters and appear to be too young.

There's a stark contrast here - back in doa2 came out , Kasumi and Ayane were intended to be 15/16 years old but at the time I was the same age so it didn't feel kind of off putting. Plus , they came across as bad ass ninja girls so I didn't mind even as I got a bit older.

Even with DOA5's initial release they've aged up all the characters - every girl is at least 18 now and actually looks at least that old... until they made Marie Rose. Marie Rose just looks like a 12 year old girl , if it were the case that the rest of the cast didn't have such obvious differences in the way they're all modeled (the adult women in the cast all have curves) than it might not be so obvious but the fact is , outside of Marie Rose they all look like adults. A concentrated effort exists with her design, she's mean to look like a young teen girl to appeal to that particular moe mindset present in japanese otaku.

I think it's gross because a large part of what makes DOA the thing it is today is that they are selling the game as a fighting game and a wanking simulator. When the wanking simulator sexualizes someone that looks 12 , I'm going to be disgusted. Frankly I would have thought it was gross even way back in 1999 if this character existed in DOA2.

So what's the deal with Honoka ? she was a slapped together character built to go after the same audience. She's clearly also meant to be a teenager - the clutzy giant breasted anime girl stereotype though instead of a lolicon. It's still kind of gross pandering. I can also admit there's a certain line here that DOA only crosses because it's current artstyle is leaning to far towards the realistic side of things. The senran kagura games are filled with characters really no better than honoka but that games artstyle is well, super cartoon-y looking anime , there's no mistaking those characters for humans. It feels cheesecake rather than straight up pornographic too.

So honestly, if DOAX3 ends up coming to western audiences and the adjustments are that these 2 characters are omitted from the game then thumbs up. Even better if they just omit them from the Japanese version too.
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Oh yeah lets remove one of the most popular DOA character in Japan so KT can deal with all the angry Japanese players who this game is aim for right?

I'm a big Momiji fan but this is getting out of hand, I don't really care about Marie Rose and frankly if people want to play with her it's fine by me. It doesn't hurt me in anyways how other people choose what characters they like. Does Marie Rose look like an underage girl? Sure, but her bio says she's 18, so people who like her can think the same. I'm not gonna judge them for who they like nor wish upon their favorite character to be removed from the game because people feel like she is "underage".

As long as I get my waifu Momiji in DOAX3, idgaf about anything else.
Time to buy some Momiji theme
 
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