All I know is that the only games I've had trouble getting shortly after launch in the last 5 years have been carts (3ds). I'm guessing that maybe companies are willing to print a bunch of extra copies if they cost 10 cents each and they aren't when they cost $1-2.
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Nintendo files patent application for stationary game console without optical disk
All I know is that the only games I've had trouble getting shortly after launch in the last 5 years have been carts (3ds). I'm guessing that maybe companies are willing to print a bunch of extra copies if they cost 10 cents each and they aren't when they cost $1-2.
this thread is showing how many people completely skipped Nintendo handhelds.
a cart-based console wouldn't be that crazy nowadays when carts can hold more data than blu-ray discs.
also, the whole profit and price argument is funny. 3DS games are $40 mostly and you don't see the carts jacking up the price and most of them could fit Nintendo's Wii U games.
while it's true that carts are more expensive to make than discs, the difference itself is not something to change the game's price (they might earn $5 less per cart)
a cart-based console wouldn't be that crazy nowadays when carts can hold more data than blu-ray discs.
also, the whole profit and price argument is funny. 3DS games are $40 mostly and you don't see the carts jacking up the price and most of them could fit Nintendo's Wii U games.
while it's true that carts are more expensive to make than discs, the difference itself is not something to change the game's price (they might earn $5 less per cart)
ChimpanzeeThat
Member
I work in the retail space and know that physical games are still popular as hell, i can't see Nintendo abandoning it even though their presence in certain places here in the UK is severely strangled in comparison to other platforms.
Whatever Nintendo decide to do, i just hope they make something powerful. I have an Xbox One but i would love to be able to play Fallout 4 or Battlefront on a Nintendo console, surely i'm not alone in that?
Whatever Nintendo decide to do, i just hope they make something powerful. I have an Xbox One but i would love to be able to play Fallout 4 or Battlefront on a Nintendo console, surely i'm not alone in that?
Nintendo's not getting back the likes of Bethesda or EA, at least not for the foreseeable future. Their third party support is mostly gonna come from Japanese third parties & indies.
DeadDuck144
Member
I don't have a strong opinion about the digital/cart/disc media, but am thrilled that this seems to point toward another console with a Gamepad.
I love the Gamepad.
I love the Gamepad.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Which is why they need to do what's best for them. If they make this a success on their own backs, Western third parties may or may not jump back in with them... But it won't matter either way to Nintendo.
Uremifasolasiututut
Member
I do. Carts rule and discs drool! What.
Elfforkusu
Member
Carts/SD cards are better than disks in the sense that they're much quieter.
So there's that!
So there's that!
The controller will be detachable and portable (i.e. a 3DS) and have its own compute ability. It will have the ability to connect to the main console as a controller that may either be more powerful, or just give the ability to broadcast what's on the controller to the t.v. I can see this happening.
Not really, I'd think. Every game nowadays comes with a day one patch sometimes gigabytes in size. Sometimes 10 GB. I think we're in the age when it's safe to assume 95% of console players--- especially early adopters in a new generation would have high-speed access without caps. I could be wrong. Does anyone have any stats on that on a US/UK/EURO/ASIA/EtC distribution? Would be interesting to see how wrong I am.
nephilimdj
Member
Nintendo NX
Optional addons:
Power cord
Blu-ray drive without abiliy to play bluray movies
HDMI Cable
Amiibo reader
Optional addons:
Power cord
Blu-ray drive without abiliy to play bluray movies
HDMI Cable
Amiibo reader
abstract alien
Member
The Wii U is the only Nintendo console that literally had no identity visually. It just looked like a router. If someone asked me what I thought about it, I wouldn't even know what to say. Didn't love it, didn't hate it, it just existed. I guess that was by design, but hopefully they go back to more dynamic designs. I mean, I dislike the look of the Xbone, but at least it draws an opinion out of me. The Wii U is a John Doe from an aesthetic standpoint.
I've hated disks since they were first implemented, so I'm happy to see them go.
Obliterator
Member
Something worth noting, and I know some people don't care about this but there many who do, Nintendo finally getting a unified centralized OS means system wide achievements are very easy for them to finally implement
James Scott
Banned
I think it would be more logical to assume this is a Wii U revision than the NX. Would explain the game pad still being there as well. Would be a neat experiment, can't really do much with Wii U right now but would be a nice way to test the waters for the new account system.
The fact that it mentions software that can be played on multiple variants of hardware kinda rules that out.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I can not imagine a situation where Nintendo would revise the Wii U.
Why would you even bother? It's the very definition of good money after bad.
Why would you even bother? It's the very definition of good money after bad.
Eteric Rice
Member
If they do make another system with a screen, I hope to God that the controller is smaller. The Wii U's controller is fucking huge.
James Scott
Banned
If Nintendo made a Wii U mini or whatever, wouldn't that count as a variant?
Obliterator
Member
No way. The OS description makes it pretty clear this is NX.
Also Wii U was honestly a catastrophic failure for Nintendo. Their worst selling home console ever. I don't see why they would bother with a revision. They are more than ready to move on at this point
I know Nintendo can be pretty baffling at times, but there's no way they're touching Wii U hardware again with a ten-foot pole.
I've considered this before. It's a good idea
Hero of Legend
Member
My idea is that the handheld and console are like the 3DS and New 3DS with a game like MH4 Ultimate. Where if you play that on a N3DS, you get much higher-quality textures, don't know if there are other graphical improvements, but that proves you can cram in something out of the systems' capabilities in the cart in mind to play on a more powerful system.
So for instance, Mario Kart 8, pretend the handheld would be able to replicate the game on Wii U, when you stick the cart in the home console, BAM, native 1080p and higher-res textures and whatnot, as if it were a free remaster.
They can also optionally make a game handheld or console exclusive ala how if you stuck Pokemon Crystal into a regular Game Boy, it would say it's not compatible with it.
Something like Etrian Odyssey would be console exclusive if the handheld has only one screen, and you'd have to use both the console and handheld ala Wii U to play it as one example.
It depends on if a game needs two screens or not. Maybe if the handheld retains two screens then any handheld game can be played on the console, unless you need to turn the handheld on its side like a book...
So for instance, Mario Kart 8, pretend the handheld would be able to replicate the game on Wii U, when you stick the cart in the home console, BAM, native 1080p and higher-res textures and whatnot, as if it were a free remaster.
They can also optionally make a game handheld or console exclusive ala how if you stuck Pokemon Crystal into a regular Game Boy, it would say it's not compatible with it.
Something like Etrian Odyssey would be console exclusive if the handheld has only one screen, and you'd have to use both the console and handheld ala Wii U to play it as one example.
It depends on if a game needs two screens or not. Maybe if the handheld retains two screens then any handheld game can be played on the console, unless you need to turn the handheld on its side like a book...
Hayriko
Member
I thought this too, like that is the ideal way for nintendo to join the handheld/tablet market while keeping a console.
I think the big players will have to demonstrate that they are a lot better at digital sales than they are right now. I would stick with digital only for Nintendo, but not for anyone else. Digital on consoles is just too expensive when I can get the same game on a PC for much cheaper. Mobile games are pretty much all <$5.
There's also a real benefit to advertising your game by having it visible in stores. A lot of digital only stuff never gets noticed because it doesn't pop to the front page for long.
Hero of Legend
Member
The console and handheld can be like two halves of a whole. But you can buy them separately and the handheld is a legit handheld and not the GamePad where that was tied to the system only, you couldn't take it out with you.
That would communicate the message the strongest if both are marketed together as if you get the full experience if both are together like two siblings.
That would communicate the message the strongest if both are marketed together as if you get the full experience if both are together like two siblings.
Even if Nintendo wants to hold back until E3 they'll end up anouncing something earlier to beat the inevitable Nikkei leak. It might be limited details, maybe a brand, but we'll know something more early next year for sure.
What if the Handheld NX can stream the Console NX games thats too power for handheld similar how DQ X does on 3DS
While the console NX can play all handheld and console NX games and mobile games
Handheld NX also plays mobile games
Console NX - Console games - handheld games - mobile games via tablet controller
Handheld NX - Handheld games - mobile games - console games via streaming
Just my ideas
While the console NX can play all handheld and console NX games and mobile games
Handheld NX also plays mobile games
Console NX - Console games - handheld games - mobile games via tablet controller
Handheld NX - Handheld games - mobile games - console games via streaming
Just my ideas
Obliterator
Member
Not bad. Not bad at all really.
Zeyphersan
Banned
It's sort of like what I wanted the PS TV to be. Be out on the go with your Vita, come home, take out the cart and memory card, stick them in the PS TV, and continue playing
Unfortunately the PSTV is massively underwhelming and wouldn't give the theoretical graphical/performance boost that the NX setup would
madstarr12
Member
That's an excellent idea. This way, the Console isn't gimped by the Handheld, it would be very disappointing if Nintendo were to forcefully gimp the potential of a Console game by making sure it can run on the Handheld. There's more to graphics than just textures, resolution and framerate.
I believe that could also be the case, the tablet controller may not be required and you can use it the handheld or a regular pro like controller
Thanks guys, thats something I been thinking about for a while on how they can get by with having power games working on the handheld, def dont want to gimp games or leave handheld only people completely out of the chance to play console games.
I don't this happening after Wii U. An overpriced controller was precisely that system's handicap, and making one that's itself a fully functional system drives cost even higher.
Besides, Nintendo wants it's audience buying more hardware rather than less. They still want people buying both the console and handheld separately, probably even moreso now if they share games.
They're technically the superior format for videogames. N64 era cartridge tech is competitive with some aspects of modern storage methods. However, they have as issues:
- lead time for production. cartridges take longer to make than discs.
- due to the lead time, first parties will insist you buy a lot (a LOT) of cartridges at once and you better hope you can sell them all. Not a problem for super popular games, but extremely risky if you're a small company.
- and the expense means games have to cost a lot to make back money.
If we could have all the benefits of cartridge with none of the downsides you would never see a developer willingly choose any other medium. There's a whole bunch of stuff where we have to deal with hdd read latency and all that crap that were not an issue in the home console cartridge era.
Babymario26
Member
The gamepad is the best... i dont see why people dont want it. Seriously i wish my PS4 came with a gamepad.
Wasn't the lead time because cartridges have traditionally used ROM memory which required a custom mask for each game? I'm wondering if modern NAND has gotten to the point where it's durable enough to be used for game storage. Nintendo could then just flash generic cartridges.
Retromelon
Member
Mhm, and is that 5 dollars per cart not going to add up when you sell tens of millions of games a year
Unless Nintendo would be losing money on each game it shouldn't really make a difference whether they sell tens of millions or just ten.
Retromelon
Member
It shouldnt make a difference except for the tens of millions in extra savings if cartridges were not used
A digital only system would be really tough for me to swallow because I love to collect games. Holding a game case /cartridge in my hand still means something to me.
That being said I have a lot of respect for the quality of games that Nintendo puts out and I enjoy playing them. I will probably cave in, depending on how they work pricing.
If I could buy a digital code at Best Buy and still be able to use my GCU card then I would easily bite.
That being said I have a lot of respect for the quality of games that Nintendo puts out and I enjoy playing them. I will probably cave in, depending on how they work pricing.
If I could buy a digital code at Best Buy and still be able to use my GCU card then I would easily bite.
Though that would be mostly (if not completely) offset by the $30 they save per console by not including a bluray drive.
I don't think that will be an issue at all. Nintendo was the first to to implement an extrenal HDD for holding games. Then again I suppose it will come down to the OS as well, but I doubt that will be a serious issue for Nintendo
The best thing about the Gamepad is off-tv play but really if most NX games are handheld compatible anyway that sort of negates the need for it.
That said I still really like secondary touchscreens for things like maps/inventory/extra buttons. A smaller, cheaper touchscreen on the controller that's shaped more like a traditional controller and less like a controller wrapped around an oversized tablet could work well imo. Drop off-tv (due to size) but keep the screen for dedicated functionality, and also maintain the dual screen setup with the handheld line for cross comparibility and maybe even DS/3DS backwards compatibility.
That said I still really like secondary touchscreens for things like maps/inventory/extra buttons. A smaller, cheaper touchscreen on the controller that's shaped more like a traditional controller and less like a controller wrapped around an oversized tablet could work well imo. Drop off-tv (due to size) but keep the screen for dedicated functionality, and also maintain the dual screen setup with the handheld line for cross comparibility and maybe even DS/3DS backwards compatibility.