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Doctor Who Off-Season | Hey Missy, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind

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Boem

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Chris Taylor at Mashable just posted an article (spoilery) trying to outline where he thinks this season is going, and what the underlying thematic thrust is probably going to be.

Again, spoilery. But interesting.

A lot of the
multi-doctor
stuff he's talking about has already been proven false.

I'm sure we could get another one of those before we hit an actual anniversary, but this seems too soon. Capaldi is still getting settled. And even though Moffat admits to lying often, I really don't think he's lying about this. Going to that well too often (and so soon after the previous one) can kill the show - it should be focused more on the future rather than the past.

Unless they figure out a convincing way to
add more classic Doctors looking like they did when they were the Doctor
I don't think there's going to be much added value in doing that right now. As much fun as it would be obviously, but the show isn't exactly on life support right now. They can wait some more years.

But yeah, the original sources for those rumours have already proven to be bullshit. Random fan wishing/speculation.

Edit: I also really don't see them addressing the Watcher. That is already semi-explained in the context of that story, and is way too obscure for modern fans.
 
that shot of Capaldi with
glasses in what looks like an arena- i think he's wearing a guitar strap, so that looks like the shot from one of the earlier trailers with the guitar

damn, 2 weeks. to go I'm basically blasting through Season 6s shitty episodes (which, is unfortunately the majority of that season) playing on my laptop while I'm tooling around MGSV
 

Tregard

Soothsayer
Moffat saying an episode script was "difficult to write" worries me immensely. I really don't want another "Wedding of River Song", that was utterly impossible to follow.

EDIT: It's just occurred to me that if a Doctor Who/Red Dwarf crossover comic relief (or something like that) special is to happen in my lifetime, now is probably the one chance as they're both being filmed.
 
Moffat saying an episode script was "difficult to write" worries me immensely. I really don't want another "Wedding of River Song", that was utterly impossible to follow.

EDIT: It's just occurred to me that if a Doctor Who/Red Dwarf crossover comic relief (or something like that) special is to happen in my lifetime, now is probably the one chance as they're both being filmed.
If you're talking about episode 11, it was presumably hard to write because
Capaldi's the only actor in it.
 
Moffat saying an episode script was "difficult to write" worries me immensely. I really don't want another "Wedding of River Song", that was utterly impossible to follow.

EDIT: It's just occurred to me that if a Doctor Who/Red Dwarf crossover comic relief (or something like that) special is to happen in my lifetime, now is probably the one chance as they're both being filmed.

It sadly probably won't happen because the BBC relationship with Doug Naylor is really poor, or something - it's part of why the show never came back on the BBC but ended up on Dave.
 
Still think thematically it's the most interesting Dalek story since Genesis, to be honest. It botches its concept (Dalek in-fighting, Sec going against the code, etc) less than Aslyum does (where 'insane' Dalek = 'a bit broken'). It's just wrecked by the bizarre "pig slave" bullshit and some really hammy guest stars with terrible accents.

I'd say Revelation is the most thematically interesting Dalek story since Genesis (and possibly ever), unless you want to just argue that it's more of a Davros story than a Dalek story. And I'd put The Parting of the Ways next.

But I do agree that there were a lot of interesting themes to be explored with Manhattan. It got some of them right, but botched others horribly. Most of the guest starts are terrible. It was also hurt by RTD's illness keeping him from being able to do the necessary rewriting. I think that could have fixed a lot of the problems with the script.
 
I still like Doctor Who Series 9 |OT| Missy Zygon

But Let Zygons be Zygons is an equally acceptable Zygon-based pun. There are surprisingly many.
 
Rewatching the trailers again, I really like the music piece that's in the second series trailer and the Magician's Apprentice trailer. It sounds like a Murray Gold track to me, and they seem to be pushing it quite hard- I suspect we'll be hearing it a few times if it is indeed from Gold.
 

Boem

Member
This is probably old news but I wasn't aware of it - they apparently found a segment of William Hartnell's appearance on Desert Island Discs in 1965 (he quit the role in '66) earlier this year. You can listen to it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009y3yj#p009y3yj

Just 12 minutes remain, but he starts talking about Doctor Who a bit towards the end. The interview doesn't reveal a lot of new things, but the most surprising thing about this is how he sounds - much younger as his on-screen persona, without the stuttering and stumbling over words. People have often wondered how much of that was him and how much of that was an acting choice. He plays a different part in the show at one point, as an abbot during the French Revolution, and he speaks much more clearly there as well - although no moving footage of that exists sadly, so it's hard to judge how different it really is to how he played the Doctor.

It's no secret he started having more and more trouble remembering his lines towards the end, but this interview suggest that, at least early on, he consciously played a more absent-minded and 'older' character than he really was. They definitely started writing some of the 'fluffs' for him after a while, because other characters would have lines commenting on his mispronunciations (such as the Doctor mispronouncing Ian's last name becoming a running joke).

Recorded interviews with Hartnell are very rare, so this is a pretty golden find if you're interested in that very early period of Doctor Who.

Edit:

I found a copy of an article that was published years ago, with a partial transcript of Hartnell's visit to DID. It just so happens to start off around the same time as the recording ends. Some more about Doctor Who as well:

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"..and I think I'll be doing it for many years." :( (The poor guy had to leave the role less then a year later)
 

TheJoRu

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Just rewatching Deep Breath and I really dont like it

The first half is really weird. The dinosaur is weird, The Doctor is weird in a mostly unfunny way and the Paternoster-scenes just goes on and on and on. A lot of "huh?"-moments overall.

But once Clara gets to the restaurant it's like the entire episode just transforms. The writing is better, the pacing is better, it feels creepier and Peter and Jenna finally get to do some acting against each other, improving their performances immensly. That long restaurant scene is great, followed a bit later by another long, great scene when Clara is left alone down with the clockwork men, and getting interrogated by the Half-Face Man.

So yeah, I still like Deep Breath. In the beginning it felt like Moffat didn't know what the hell he was writing, but once it got going it got real good.
 

HigXx

Member
Totally agree! Once they're in the restaurant its an amazing last half. The cgi at the start is God awful as well, some of the worst in the series I think
 

Symphonia

Banned
That phonecall at the end of Deep Breath hit me right in the feels. As bad a season-opener it is, overall, you have to give it credit for that one scene alone.
 

MrHoot

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I really don't know what to expect with season 9. Glad it starts with missy and picks up where we left before the christmas special. But with the return of river, and osgood, i'm just hoping for a minimal level of fanwanking/fantheory insert. I really wish it could trim the fat and stop bringing back old storylines/characters that either should've ended already earlier than they should've, or in the case of osgood didn't really need a continuation
 
This is probably old news but I wasn't aware of it - they apparently found a segment of William Hartnell's appearance on Desert Island Discs in 1965 (he quit the role in '66) earlier this year. You can listen to it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009y3yj#p009y3yj

Thanks for posting this, I hope people give it a listen because it's a lovely little piece of history. I love hearing snippets of Hartnell mainly because the early days of Doctor Who, before everything was 'set in place', fascinate me. There's been a bit of a Hartnell-renaissance pretty much since Adventure in Space and Time, and I think it's partly due to the bitter-sweet nature of his tenure, particularly with his addling health. Doctor Who and being The Doctor are just in a whole other world of importance and heritage today, and it's always weird to think back to when it all started, and Hartnell was just playing a slightly eccentric character with a fancy spaceship.

Everyone always compares Capaldi to the 3rd or 6th Doctors, but for me he seems to consciously call back to Hartnell more than most. Which I'm sure you can in-universe link back to the fact that he has a new regeneration cycle and what not, but I'm sure Capaldi, like most, just has a great deal of respect for the guy.
 

Tregard

Soothsayer
I really don't know what to expect with season 9. Glad it starts with missy and picks up where we left before the christmas special. But with the return of river, and osgood, i'm just hoping for a minimal level of fanwanking/fantheory insert. I really wish it could trim the fat and stop bringing back old storylines/characters that either should've ended already earlier than they should've, or in the case of osgood didn't really need a continuation

If the fan theories are even sort of right (which is doubtful) then a lot of weird shit will be going down this series.

Thinking about opening episodes, I genuinely can't remember the last series opener I thought was really good. The Eleventh Hour, maybe?
 
I liked Asylum of the Daleks a whole lot, too. It's not like Deep Breath was bad either.

Hell, the last series opener I actively disliked was probably New Earth. That's hardly bad going.
 
If we're including split series openers (second half episodes), Let's Kill Hitler was probably the weakest one recently. But in terms of just season premieres, I agree that New Earth was the last soft one.
 

Fireblend

Banned
Up to S8-3 in my rewatch. I'm surprised at how little I enjoyed Deep Breath. The Paternoster gang stuff is a lot more annoying than I remembered; they're just too silly. Everything after the Doctor and Clara go into the restaurant is brilliant but then I groaned when Vastra and the rest come back in some ninja outfits and start fighting the androids. There is some good stuff - Clara's conflict in coming to terms with the Doctor's new appearance, most of the Doctor's dialog, the banter at the restaurant... but it's just not a good opener, and I would think twice about showing it to someone as their intro to Doctor Who.

Into the Dalek is a lot better. I love the photography in this, the psychodelic scene when they're getting "injected" is one of the most memorable in the season, and I love the overall gloomy tone of the episode which sets the tone for the season in general. Asshole Doctor is tons of fun. Plus it's a really good Dalek episode.

Robots of Sherwood is actually a lot more fun than I remember. I really liked it. The humor is much much more hit than miss, specially when compared to Deep Breath, and for a silly episode I can forgive the awful, senseless leap it makes at the end enough to enjoy it. I think it'd be a "really good" episode for me if it wasn't for the final solution being to randomly shoot a golden arrow into the ship, but eh, I'll take what I can get. The dialog between the Doctor and Robin is great, and Clara's scene with the sheriff is also pretty good. By this point she's no longer the cardboard cutout she was with 11.
 

Big One

Banned
So I just finished Season 6 and half of Season 7. I'm so confused about River Song. Can anyone enlighten me on some of these questions?

- When exactly did her adventures with the Doctor take place? Was it after
Rory & Amy died?
- If so how did the Doctor age 100 years in the first episode of Season 6 with the implication of him and River's adventures occuring that timespan there
despite it being an instantaneous process in the climax?
Or was that a lie?
- Also if River went on years of adventures with the Doctor after
Amy & Rory died, River didn't attempt to consul or easy the Doctor's pain? She is his wife afterall.
- Am I right that pretty much everything is backwards until Let's Kill Hitler? And after that their meetings are forward meetings?
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Why didn't the Tenth Doctor sense her as a Time Lord?
- Why was River's sonic screwdriver different from the 11th's?
- Didn't River say that her Doctor was much older? 11th looks younger than the 10th! Is it the whole "old eyes" thing? They could've just waited for Capaldi if thy wanted to do a storyline where she hooks up with an old man Doctor.
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Why was River and the Silence in 1969 in the first place?
For what reason?
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How did she regenerated into Mels and stay a child for over 20 years? Did she have a regeneration between blonde girl and Mels?
 
So I just finished Season 6 and half of Season 7. I'm so confused about River Song. Can anyone enlighten me on some of these questions?

- When exactly did her adventures with the Doctor take place? Was it after
Rory & Amy died?
The Doctor spends a huge amount of time, from his perspective, with Rory and Amy as his companions. Presumably, most of the time that River spent with the Doctor was during this time, off screen.

- If so how did the Doctor age 100 years in the first episode of Season 6 with the implication of him and River's adventures occuring that timespan there
despite it being an instantaneous process in the climax?
Or was that a lie?
From what we can tell, the Doctor really did spend a hundred years doing stuff off screen before talking to the head of that blue guy and figuring out how to trick the Silence.

- Also if River went on years of adventures with the Doctor after
Amy & Rory died, River didn't attempt to consul or easy the Doctor's pain? She is his wife afterall.
There has been nothing to suggest that River spent much time with the Doctor during his moping phase.

- Am I right that pretty much everything is backwards until Let's Kill Hitler? And after that their meetings are forward meetings?
Not quite, it's all jumbled up.

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Why didn't the Tenth Doctor sense her as a Time Lord?
In "Let's Kill Hitler", River gave up her Time Lord abilities to save the Doctor.

- Why was River's sonic screwdriver different from the 11th's?
Moffat has said that he doesn't intend to show when the Doctor gives River his screwdriver (that sounded dirtier than I intended). Presumably, the 11th Doctor went through a phase where he used that screwdriver and gave it to River entirely off screen.

- Didn't River say that her Doctor was much older? 11th looks younger than the 10th! Is it the whole "old eyes" thing? They could've just waited for Capaldi if thy wanted to do a storyline where she hooks up with an old man Doctor.
Yeah, it's just the "old eyes" thing. Anyway, it's not like they can plan around future actors for the Doctor, given how it can vary how long an actor wants to stay, etc.

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Why was River and the Silence in 1969 in the first place?
For what reason?
The only explanation we have is that the Silence needed to guide humanity to eventually develop a spacesuit, for them to use to kill the Doctor. After season 6, Moffat completely loses interest in the Silence--or how the TARDIS blew up in the season 5 finale, for that matter--and we never get a good explanation for what they were doing, just some halfhearted statements.

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How did she regenerated into Mels and stay a child for over 20 years? Did she have a regeneration between blonde girl and Mels?
She must have, but we don't know what it was.
 
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