The combat areas do look pretty big, and this was indoors.
I'd bet that the interior areas are going to be larger than the outdoor ones. You don't have to worry about the fidelity of skyboxes for indoor areas, while you do for outdoors.
Sure there are short clips of what appear to be open ended, our door levels, but no demonstrations...
Much of the developer commentary mentions that open areas were a focal point of development... The amount of distance one can have between himself and his squadmates (and the number of enemy AI that would need to be processed as a result of this distance) was mentioned as one of the reasons split screen didn't make it in...
Those comments coupled with this video leaves me pretty confident, that we'll see some Silent Cartographer-esque levels...
Holy shit at the 3:00 mark when your squadmate appears out of nowhere and charges the tagged elite. Playing with the squad controls is gonna be cool.
The combat areas do look pretty big, and this was indoors.
*See people flipping burgers over the new footage*
*Watches video*
Oh... it's another corridor space station mission. Okay I guess? I mean it looks fine, but I'm not exactly losing my shit over here.
Kinda was expecting some huge open environment like The Silent Cartographer based on the reactions.
Holy shit at the 3:00 mark when your squadmate appears out of nowhere and charges the tagged elite. Playing with the squad controls is gonna be cool.
*See people flipping burgers over the new footage*
*Watches video*
Oh... it's another corridor space station mission. Okay I guess? I mean it looks fine, but I'm not exactly losing my shit over here.
Kinda was expecting some huge open environment like The Silent Cartographer based on the reactions.
Space station yes, corridor no; there's some great play spaces in there.
According to the GI article, this level is the most linear one in the game and it's not even a corridor as there's alternate routes and areas with a lot of verticality, that's a good indication that the other levels will be pretty open.
I hate to be raining on everyone's parade all the time when it comes to Halo, but this squad stuff is in just about every FPS since the early Xbox 360 days. I'd much control all of the action solo then when a scripted event play out after tagging an enemy with my aiming reticle.
It has been nearly a decade since Xbox 360's release, and I don't feel like I'm alone when I say that this style of gameplay isn't fresh anymore. It might have been fun and innovative in Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 (2005), but since then nearly every FPS has had a similar mechanic and it's just getting old.
Really depends on how fancy the skies are. Throwing a few texture layers across a sky can sometimes be dirt cheap, compared with a complex ceiling which has to be lit and whatnot.I'd bet that the interior areas are going to be larger than the outdoor ones. You don't have to worry about the fidelity of skyboxes for indoor areas, while you do for outdoors.
It all comes down to how well it works. Yes, a lot of games have had the "target that enemy" mechanic, but rarely is it pulled off very well. From what I have seen, the squad seems to actually be effective.
Halo's greatness isn't just about one single mechanic or gimmick, it's a cohesive whole that works really well together. This new squad mechanic could add a lot to the replay value and unique approach of each player.
Are you sure you watched the video?*See people flipping burgers over the new footage*
*Watches video*
Oh... it's another corridor space station mission. Okay I guess? I mean it looks fine, but I'm not exactly losing my shit over here.
Kinda was expecting some huge open environment like The Silent Cartographer based on the reactions.
I couldn't disagree with this more, Halo 3 is GOAT Halo. I don't understand how you can look at moments like the Scarab encounters, or levels like The Ark and the Covenant, and call it a step down from Halo 1/2 in terms of presentation. The earlier games are fantastic too, but Halo 3 hit a whole new level in terms of scale.
I hate to be raining on everyone's parade all the time when it comes to Halo, but this squad stuff is in just about every FPS since the early Xbox 360 days. I'd much control all of the action solo then when a scripted event play out after tagging an enemy with my aiming reticle.
It has been nearly a decade since Xbox 360's release, and I don't feel like I'm alone when I say that this style of gameplay isn't fresh anymore. It might have been fun and innovative in Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 (2005), but since then nearly every FPS has had a similar mechanic and it's just getting old.
That's fair. If 343i's previous skyboxes are anything to go by there will be a 3mb jpg slapped in the air.Really depends on how fancy the skies are. Throwing a few texture layers across a sky can sometimes be dirt cheap, compared with a complex ceiling which has to be lit and whatnot.
I disagree, it's simply not an enjoyable mechanic for me. The squad can never be truly effective otherwise the game would just play itself, and it would never be designed as such.
Usually this squad based stuff is typically designed around the philosophy that they may not be particularly useful or accurate, but they'll occasionally do something cool. i.e. they'll do something scripted or occasionally save your ass from an already weakened opponent. I've yet to play a game where this isn't the case, and if you're expecting anything different from Halo 5 you're nuts.
I don't think anyone is saying that this is necessarily a bad level. It just doesn't look particularly memorable when compared to levels in past games.
I feel ya. I think it's time for me to go on black out when it comes to campaign stuff.I regret watching.
Cuz now I can't wait. I hate feeling this excited this far in advance.
I saw the squad killing a lot of enemies in the gameplay. It doesn't have to be a game changer for it to be a nice addition. The question is what does it take away from the gameplay by being there (as long as the squad does its job and keeps up with you)?
I sure hope so. Still seems like an odd choice though, if there are big open campaign levels why not show them? It's pretty obvious to me that the big levels are what most Halo fans want.
I assume you're being sarcastic...?Yeah, doesnt hold a candle to the Library.
"Verticality" is a marketing term that Microsoft should officially retire. Every time Microsoft uses this term to sell a game, it almost always ends up being a bad thing. Gear's Judgment, I'm looking at you.
I assume you're being sarcastic...?
Ideally, they would be killing just as many enemies in single player as 3 co-op partners would kill in multiplayer. That way, the levels are balanced for 4 competent players regardless of online or offline. I think that makes for better level design.
Scale, yes, but it was a big step back in ways that I felt the previous, and following, games much better.
Your mistake is in comparing Halo to every other FPS out there like it's the same thing. It isn't. Squad Commands like this in a Halo campaign is a very big fucking deal, and it represents a big change for the way Halo is played. A lot of other major FPS games have, at best, the illusion of actually commanding your troops. Most, if not all, of it is done automatically with very little interaction from the player, or through cutscenes. And showing another game with Squad Commands (which I know you probably will to try and prove a point) still doesn't make that game anything like Halo. This being a Halo game is what makes this a big deal. Not just that, for people who love the books, there's a level of meaning attached to blue team's involvement in Halo 5 that won't be there in quite the same way for other games. Halo's universe separates it from other first person shooters, period.
I guess The Library is memorable, but for all the wrong reasons.jem you are the worst b
I guess The Library is memorable, but for all the wrong reasons.
Easily one of the worst levels in Halo.
Same case could be made for Halo 2's High Charity. It's still not what most people want. It's not just about level size, it's also about having multiple angles of approach and (optional) vehicular combat. The fact that we're this close to release and haven't seen a single level that looks like the prototypical ideal Halo level is very concerning.
I guess The Library is memorable, but for all the wrong reasons.
Easily one of the worst levels in Halo.
It's the best Flood level there is. Which isn't saying much, but I genuinely love it.I guess The Library is memorable, but for all the wrong reasons.
Easily one of the worst levels in Halo.
I disagree, it's simply not an enjoyable mechanic for me. The squad can never be truly effective otherwise the game would just play itself, and it would never be designed as such.
Usually this squad based stuff is typically designed around the philosophy that they may not be particularly useful or accurate, but they'll occasionally do something cool. i.e. they'll do something scripted or occasionally save your ass from an already weakened opponent. I've yet to play a game where this isn't the case, and if you're expecting anything different from Halo 5 you're nuts.
I guess The Library is memorable, but for all the wrong reasons.
Easily one of the worst levels in Halo.
I have a dream that one day GAF posters won't miss your point entirely.
I have a dream that one day GAF posters don't shit on other people's excitement for Halo.
I have a dream that one day I can be a fan of Halo on GAF without constantly needing to hold my tongue from all the shit slinging.
I have a dream that one day HaloGaf will be allowed to enjoy themselves again.
I have a dream.
seems like you understand it just fine!I will never understand the Halo 3 hate that seems to have accumulated over the last couple of years. I still think it's the most well rounded and feature rich Halo. There's some shitty weapon balancing, but I still prefer its multiplayer over 2, shitty BR and all.
*See people flipping burgers over the new footage*
*Watches video*
Oh... it's another corridor space station mission. Okay I guess? I mean it looks fine, but I'm not exactly losing my shit over here.
Kinda was expecting some huge open environment like The Silent Cartographer based on the reactions.
I'm really curious to see how the squad / co-op campaign design and the ability to drop in / drop out will effect the campaign's popularity. I could see myself playing it a lot more than past campaigns due to those things alone.
I really hope 343 adds in Firefight DLC eventually. It's sad how much that mode has been neglected by both 343 and Bungie in Destiny.
Oh god, you reminded me of Harvest and Wreckage.That's fair. If 343i's previous skyboxes are anything to go by there will be a 3mb jpg slapped in the air.
343 keeps talking about these huge new levels that will be in Halo 5 and yet we're about a month away from release and all we've seen are two small levels.
I'll be extremely surprised if there actually are any big levels in the scale of Halo 1.
The lowest of the lows of H4's campaign don't come even close to how bad the library is.I used to hate The Library too, and it will never be my favorite level, but I still prefer it over most Halo 4 levels.
Eh, I prefer 343 Guilty Spark. The atmosphere is far better.It's the best Flood level there is. Which isn't saying much, but I genuinely love it.
It's one long slog through ridiculously repetitive environments and dull encounters against extremely boring enemies. Just so bad...The Library is an intense romp through darkness and overwhelming odds. It's about feeling isolated in a mysterious alien dungeon. Just you, your guns, and a whole lot of horrific space zombies.
I love the Library and it's amazing in co-op.
New link? I would like to watch it.