outunderthestars
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Is it sad that I keep opening the thread to read their inevitable project cancellation announcement?
Pls noIs it sad that I keep opening the thread to read their inevitable project cancellation announcement?
WAIT! WAIT!WAIT!WAIT!WAIT!WAIT!
I just reread your post.
Do you mean to tell me they didn't even know Kickstarter required prototypes until I told them?! They never even took a look at the Kickstarter rules? That would explain why they violated so many rules and why they invested so much into the 3D renders.
Un-fuckin' believable.
"rube-goldberg arrangement of buffers and transceivers"?
The fuck? This isn't the 90s anymore for this shit.
Actually claims a new Phantasy Star game is coming to the system.
To be fair he did not say it was Phantasy Star 5.
I have trouble believing Sega actually committed to making a Phantasy Star for this.
I think Dream means that Mike was considering Kickstarter bending the rules for them, until they caught wind that you and others were complaining (rightfully so), then went with IGG to avoid further backlash. The forum complaints is what was brought to their attention. I think he obviously already knew that prototypes were a normal requirement of KS.
Any clarification on this for the non-tech-minded here? Are the hardware guys truly out of touch with modern tech? I know sometimes legitimate old pros lose their touch or stick with outmoded ways.
No, this morning they said this on Facebook:I think Dream means that Mike was considering Kickstarter bending the rules for them, until they caught wind that you and others were complaining (rightfully so), then went with IGG to avoid further backlash. The forum complaints is what was brought to their attention. I think he obviously already knew that prototypes were a normal requirement of KS.\
RetroVGS said:One last thing. I can address the quick move to IGG from KS. We were Kickstarter bound up until recently when I read a post in the RVGS NeoGaf thread posting the KS policies about having an "explicit" working demonstration of a prototype to run a hardware campaign. Now, up until then I have and had seen hardware projects on there without any showing or mention of a prototype so didn't know this was a "thing". I then called them on it at the last minute. I spoke with Luke, their Head of Games and he said that they don't exactly enforce that policy...
Where are you seeing this?
Cool.No, this morning they said this on Facebook:
So it really was NoFaceNico's post that brought that rule to their attention.
To be fair, that SoC has both things integrated in the same package, so only one chip.just 2 separate pieces of silicon in the console itself as in the ZYBO Zynq-7000 Development Board someone posted a link to before). .
No, this morning they said this on Facebook:
So it really was NoFaceNico's post that brought that rule to their attention.
That's terrible. My interpretation was that they're fickle and quick to change their minds. Your clarification makes them seem incompetent and too lazy to do basic research.
NeOak, thanks for explaining. It would seem they're lacking the knowledge to put a basic prototype together.
My take on the Phantasy Star is a homebrew RPG inspired by PS. They're using it as a generic term like "we have a Street Fighter and a Mario for our system." That's still highly misleading.
He says it in the context that game companies would love to make sequels to their 16 bit games and Retro VGS finally gives them the opportunity.
He also mentions something about imagine if Final Fantasy games were on the system.
For those who want to hear the Phantasy Star Comment
go to 1:21:10 and wait untill 1:21:15
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/3/6/c/36c46b57c796ea81/RoundUp091_2015.09.16.mp3?c_id=9843120&expiration=1443058249&hwt=075c51bf04744cae7f82f31a6bf02b6f
The way he says it in the podcast, he makes it seem like its an official Phantasy Star and its a done deal.
He says it in the context that game companies would love to make sequels to their 16 bit games and Retro VGS finally gives them the opportunity. I mentioned before he claims compainies are getting smaller teams together to make games for the system while bigger teams continue to focus on triple AAA development elsewhere.
He also mentions something about imagine if Final Fantasy games were on the system.
I don't know why game companies need the Retro VGS to make make retro sequels and why they are besides themselves to have them distributed on cartridge. Doesn't make sense.
Just listened to it. It honestly sounds to me like there's a barely enunciated "if" in there, or at least a beat where there might be one. As he goes on he's saying there's a market for a system that would have that, not that this one does yet.
For those who want to hear the Phantasy Star Comment go to 1:21:10 and wait until 1:21:15
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/3/6/c/36c46b57c796ea81/RoundUp091_2015.09.16.mp3?c_id=9843120&expiration=1443058249&hwt=075c51bf04744cae7f82f31a6bf02b6f
That doesn't even grammatically make sense. You're representing a supposedly professional corporation in a public interview and can't even get your grammar straight? And you want my money? FOH.Alright, he may be off the hook because he says "There is like a new Phantasy Star coming out on this." So that like might make the difference.
Those 168 are the Chosen Ones™. The life of just one of them are worth more than the entire population of Boston, New York, and Las Vegas combined. They have direct psychometric connections with the Space Moor Football King, and each bestowed with a golden football in their precious bellies.
We are nothing compared to them.
That doesn't even grammatically make sense. You're representing a supposedly professional corporation in a public interview and can't even get your grammar straight? And you want my money? FOH.
For those who want to hear the Phantasy Star Comment go to 1:21:10 and wait until 1:21:15
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/3/6/c/36c46b57c796ea81/RoundUp091_2015.09.16.mp3?c_id=9843120&expiration=1443058249&hwt=075c51bf04744cae7f82f31a6bf02b6f
Nobody is going to buy a console specifically for Shovel Knight and VVVVVV.
I would if the price was reasonable. i.e. NOT 300 - 400 dollars.
Just listened to it. It honestly sounds to me like there's a barely enunciated "if" in there, or at least a beat where there might be one. As he goes on he's saying there's a market for a system that would have that, not that this one does yet. I still think he's wrong, mind.
It's another way for him to say- if you help me sell this thing then anything is possible.
If he does manage to fund his console, then I'll believe anything is possible indeed.
Sampled it and replayed over and over "you know, if there's a new Phantasy Star coming out on this..."
This link might work but never used it before, sample with specific part repeated.
Okay, just listened to it and the way it's phrased isn't as bad as some people are making it seem. He basically just says that they've talked to some people who have said that if there's a viable market, they might be willing to talk (which is quite possibly just a polite way of saying no thanks, stop talking to me), and then he talks about how he hopes that Retro VGS can evolve into the kind of system that could support low budget sequels to classic series like Phantasy Star. Everything I heard sounded purely speculative - IF the system is a success, we might be able to do something like this. And that's a nice dream, but if you can't convince Sega to make a cheap Phantasy Star V on a popular platform, good luck convincing them to make one for an unpopular one.
I hope that when our game comes out, it'll prove that there is a viable market for stuff like a Phantasy Star V or a Lunar 3 or other new entries in classic RPG series. Of course, that viable market would be PSN, Steam, Xbox Live, etc. and not an expensive cartridge-based niche system.
Okay, just listened to it and the way it's phrased isn't as bad as some people are making it seem. He basically just says that they've talked to some people who have said that if there's a viable market, they might be willing to talk (which is quite possibly just a polite way of saying no thanks, stop talking to me), and then he talks about how he hopes that Retro VGS can evolve into the kind of system that could support low budget sequels to classic series like Phantasy Star. Everything I heard sounded purely speculative - IF the system is a success, we might be able to do something like this. And that's a nice dream, but if you can't convince Sega to make a cheap Phantasy Star V on a popular platform, good luck convincing them to make one for an unpopular one.
I hope that when our game comes out, it'll prove that there is a viable market for stuff like a Phantasy Star V or a Lunar 3 or other new entries in classic RPG series. Of course, that viable market would be PSN, Steam, Xbox Live, etc. and not an expensive cartridge-based niche system.
To be honest, I tried to go back and play those old PS games and I don't think they've aged that well. On the other hand, I've really enjoyed your games. So maybe this is for the best.
We know the RVGS team is hoping to be picked up by a big news site, which could hopefully make it "go viral" and funnel in backers. But I was thinking about it and I don't believe big sites would pick up the story. Or at least it won't be the glowing piece of free advertising they hoped for.
Think about it this way- car news sites would report about a remodeled Corvette as soon as they can get the scoop. But they don't make a new story when preorders for it are announced. Or when they show up on dealer lots. Even though I'm sure GM would wish they would report on that, it's simply not news.
So in other words, I think the sites that have/had an interest in the VGS already covered it. When the IGG campaign went live there's no real story there, we've known they were going to crowdfunding for over half a year. I think this is a mistake that many crowdfunding project creators fall into because I've seen it before. They think their idea is novel and so of course it'll get reported on every step of the way, right? And that's all free advertising for them, right? Notice that the RVGS team plans to spend 4% of total funding on rent while advertising only gets half of that because of course this thing advertises itself so you never even have to worry about one of the biggest problems with developing a product. Meanwhile, the news is reporting on the latest cartridge story...
Finally, game cartridges you can plug in to your smart phone
Maybe this one will go viral.
Honestly this may have succeeded if they launched the campaign right when they started talking about it.
I completely agree. At the $149-199 range it is practically impulse buy territory. Also a simpler hardware design would have been a much more realistic option for such a small team.You also have to factor in that all the early promotion was talking about a relatively different product at a different price point.
They only ever had a Jaguar shell, then and now, no prototype. Nothing to get excited about. The theoretical specs are all on paper if that.
The only form any actual hardware exists on is some specs written on the back of a Domino's pizza napkin. At $149, I trust Mike enough that I am fine with this fact. Hell, even $199 for a high quality system would be cool.
straight for the throat, ouch
Which one's did you play? Phantasy Star 2 & 3 haven't aged all that well, but I think 4 is still highly playable even today.
I would agree if I didn't know anything about Mike. While I don't know him in person, I thought he did a great job on the 1st year of RETRO magazine. He alsoBut for $149, even though I'd be interested, I still wouldn't trust them without showing a prototype. At a lower price point, I still wouldn't trust them to make a prototype down the road. They've kinda dug themselves into a rut by launching without one.