Ryo Hazuki
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Not media but easily some of the most shameful clickbait shit I've ever seen.
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The Shameful Media Coverage of Shenmue III
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Not media but easily some of the most shameful clickbait shit I've ever seen.
ZombiePlatypus
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When the headline has a question mark, 9 times outta 10 it's bullshit bait.
IdreamofHIME
Member
There's no story because nothing's happening, so they just make shit up for clicks.
Fuck em, the game has already been funded and is coming. These corporate shills who sign NDAs and work as PR men for the big boys can find their Judas gold elsewhere.
They'll not be flown to a nice hotel and resort to play through Shenmue 3, like MGS or GTA or invited to Guitar Hero concert/afterparty. That has to effect their thought process.
Fuck em, the game has already been funded and is coming. These corporate shills who sign NDAs and work as PR men for the big boys can find their Judas gold elsewhere.
They'll not be flown to a nice hotel and resort to play through Shenmue 3, like MGS or GTA or invited to Guitar Hero concert/afterparty. That has to effect their thought process.
Don't make up quotes, especially when they are factually incorrect.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Either way they're funding development on the game, whether it's through direct investment or development investment or even just launch and marketing support so the point is rather moot. It's obvious that Sony has a both a stake in the success of this game as well as a say in how it was announced and likely how it will be developed.
Some of the articles take umbrage with the way this was obfuscated for a time after the announcement, and is still questionable to this day.
When this game comes out how much do you guys wanna bet these people all double down because that's all gaming journalists seem to know how to do. Double down when they're wrong instead of just being a man/woman and saying "Hey you know what? I was wrong. I've learned something from this."
I really hate the ego/pride that it seems like a majority of the gaming writers seem to have. I mean shit, it's not the end of the world to just say "I don't know" or "I was wrong".
I really hate the ego/pride that it seems like a majority of the gaming writers seem to have. I mean shit, it's not the end of the world to just say "I don't know" or "I was wrong".
BS articles? They all have solid points if you actually read them.
Yea, some of them I hadn't read before but now I'm like "ya know what, they have a point".
Uh, you said they were well researched. How does assuming things equate to research?
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Shenmue 3 is the highest grossing video game kickstarter to date. Of course, it's going to get more coverage than other Kickstarters. And some of that coverage is going to be negative, especially after some other big-name Kickstarters disappointed fans.
"I can say with their assistance on the production and marketing end, and in Sony's case with some publishing support as well"
Sony is putting money towards Shenmue III. Not in the production sense but in other ways that are equally important to a successful game.
What's the assumption?
Chû Totoro
Member
No big publisher behind it why gaming sites would talk about it?
I'm not saying all their articles are PR talk or biased but they are clearly (like almost all tech related sites) going to talk about things you are showing them in a way or in another (gifts, demos, events...).
It's not journalism people, don't expect it to be what it'll never be. Good coverage about a wider range of games, without bias and a constructive opinion is the best we should expect. And clearly if there's good journalists out there I really hope they'll cover something else than gaming (world news is lacking good journalists and it's way more important).
This said, it's sad for Shenmue and our community because I always had the impression a lot of "gaming journalists" were sharing the same enthusiasm regarding some anthological games revival or hommage.
I'm not saying all their articles are PR talk or biased but they are clearly (like almost all tech related sites) going to talk about things you are showing them in a way or in another (gifts, demos, events...).
It's not journalism people, don't expect it to be what it'll never be. Good coverage about a wider range of games, without bias and a constructive opinion is the best we should expect. And clearly if there's good journalists out there I really hope they'll cover something else than gaming (world news is lacking good journalists and it's way more important).
This said, it's sad for Shenmue and our community because I always had the impression a lot of "gaming journalists" were sharing the same enthusiasm regarding some anthological games revival or hommage.
I'd sooner bet that many of the posters in this thread have their 'Shenmue 3 10/10' reviews prewritten waiting to be published.
I don't see anything wrong with the coverage. One of the key principals behind Kickstarter is transparency and that was not being provided in this instance. So the press was totally justified in asking questions, reporting what they could to their audiences, and warning them if they felt things were unsavory -- thats how the press should function, not as a marketing arm that just writes positive articles about your favorite games.
But if the kickstarter didn't succeed, there would be no game, and then no publishing deal, right (hard to publish something that doesn't exist)? So I still don't get what people have against the kickstarter.
That Sony is funding the game.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Would you take a CGI film instead? I think I'd be ok with that actually.
KungFucius
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Agreed. The guy is ambitious would like more money to develop a high quality AAA title. So fucking what? I would like him to get it so I get the best game possible.
I'm guessing you haven't read the articles?
They're not nearly has venomous are hateful is making it out to be.
Bits N Pieces
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What were you expecting?
Its been a lauded and sought after myth for over a decade and when it appeared at Sony's press conference it was the most legit hype ive felt while watching an E3 conference. Then it was a Kickstarter and it was revealed in a kinda vague manner.
If I was hyped, nervous and confused - what do you think the journos were feeling?
It was just a weird way to reveal a game that resulted in weird articles.
It smashed its KS goals and with Sony backing it we get the best chance for success.
And Ive read a lot worse
Its been a lauded and sought after myth for over a decade and when it appeared at Sony's press conference it was the most legit hype ive felt while watching an E3 conference. Then it was a Kickstarter and it was revealed in a kinda vague manner.
If I was hyped, nervous and confused - what do you think the journos were feeling?
It was just a weird way to reveal a game that resulted in weird articles.
It smashed its KS goals and with Sony backing it we get the best chance for success.
And Ive read a lot worse
Other Kickstarters have nothing to do with this one. You can't judge this one simply because there have been other disappointing Kickstarters.
I mean other indie games have been disappointing. Would you be happy if journalists wrote negative prognostications (Because that's what a lot of these ridiculous articles are) about the outcome of your game simply because there have been other indie RPG games in the past that have disappointed?
We know for a fact that Sony is funding development in some way:
How is that not clear?
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Am I being shameful?
I don't care for the game but the amount of misinformation and BS from this was just sad especially the line of "if Sony is funding it why kick stater" even after all the updates and info about Sony not even being the only being investor in the project and what they were bringing to the table.
Spyder_Monkey
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Yeah exactly, they're not funding it. You wouldn't know that from some of the articles though. It's misleading.
shinobi602
Member
Agreed, and it's really changing my opinion on certain people in the media. I like the "Suzuki would like more money to make Shenmue 3" concern articles.
'Creator says more money would be nice for game they're creating'.
Yea, I mean it's not like every fucking developer would say the same thing for the games they're making! What a joke lol.
'Creator says more money would be nice for game they're creating'.
Yea, I mean it's not like every fucking developer would say the same thing for the games they're making! What a joke lol.
They desperately want the "big one" of Kickstarter failures. They all turned sour of Kickstarter coverage quickly, and love to post failures, but the holy grail of a massive Kickstarter failure is something they're still waiting for.
Star Citizen and Shenmue III are the same in their eyes.
Star Citizen and Shenmue III are the same in their eyes.
I guess if you lack basic reading comprehension skills it might be misleading... :-/
Kwansu Dudes
Member
The entire thing was a shitshow, but even after Adam Boyes clarified Sony's involvement, there were no updated articles to relay the new information. I do have an emotional attachment to the seeies, but it's not hard to see that there were certain individuals who wanted to see this fail.
Windom Earle
Member
I am also quite disgusted by this, but Suzuki/Sony should have seen it coming. With a better campaign and clearer messaging, at least some of this drama could have been avoided. Shenmue certainly deserves better than this smear campaign.
Why would you care?
And you make it sound like it would be such a stretch anyway? What would be wrong with questioning the future of a Kickstarter game based on the results of other similarly-funded games? It's common sense to ponder about it.
The fact that Shenmue fanatics are playing the victim is card is hilarious considering no harm is being done at all.
Lmao
Yep, it's pathetic.
There's definitely genuine criticism to be made about how badly Suzuki and his crew handled the initial stage of the KS, but not nearly so much as there is to be levelled at sectors of the games media for the misinformation and misrepresentation they were all too happy to spread.
I have nothing but the utmost contempt and distrust of the vast majority of the latter day gaming media, and their frankly embarassing reaction to the announcement of this Kickstarter is naught but a recent reminder of why I feel as such.
In some cases at least, it's basically system warriors, lets face it.
There's definitely genuine criticism to be made about how badly Suzuki and his crew handled the initial stage of the KS, but not nearly so much as there is to be levelled at sectors of the games media for the misinformation and misrepresentation they were all too happy to spread.
I have nothing but the utmost contempt and distrust of the vast majority of the latter day gaming media, and their frankly embarassing reaction to the announcement of this Kickstarter is naught but a recent reminder of why I feel as such.
In some cases at least, it's basically system warriors, lets face it.
PdotMichael
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Make me wonder how much of the shit is a result of some Microsoft bias, which was quite the thing in the US press with all the defence for Microsoft's original Xbox One concept.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Why does this even matter though? All I care is I get what's promised (the game) for contributing. How they allocate my contribution, what other funding they receive, etc is not relevant. Just like any other product from a store, I'm paying money to own it and that's where my inquiry ends. Only difference is that I'm paying for this in advance.
If someone is not comfortable doing so, nobody is forcing them to back it. But playing misguided detective while pretending to white Knight gamers and consumers is really insulting and frustrating as some of us have waited over a decade for this pipe dream of a game to happen. Who knows what hoops needed to be jumped through to even get this project off the ground. If someone's not interested, that's absolutely fine, but shitting on the parade under the facade of "fair investigative gaming journalism" is bullcrap.
Holy fuck this thread is hilarious.
I'm guessing you haven't.
Go read that Kuchera opinion article. It's full of sarcasm that's really not necessary at all.
Also how do you get this quote from Suzuki: "I could do with a bit more money!" he told Eurogamer this week. "The game itself doesn't have to be gorgeous visually — a lot of the money these days goes into the graphics. If we perhaps compromise on the graphics and put more into the story, we can make a good game. The most important thing, to me, is that the game's interesting, and that it's something people want to play."
and surmise this: "the team is going to need more money, and Suzuki isn't shy about bringing this up to the press."
And what the hell is this?
"Shenmue 3 may be the best-funded game in history that ends with a "To Be Continued" message or, even better, a link to a second Kickstarter so we may continue to disappoint Suzuki with our mere millions of dollars."
So are all of those other Kickstarter games not going to have sequels? Is there something in Kickstarter's TOS that says projects MUST end the story and have no sequels whatsoever?
I swear, if people actually looked at the content of the articles, this thread would have died a peaceful death.
Investigating the funding method is the most interesting part of the story of the game so far. Kickstarter has had and will continue to have massive ramifications on the future of the video games we play, so of course it's a big story.
I guarantee Ben Kuchera doesn't give a shit about Shenmue Fan #431 who happily contributed, but is more concerned with how this funding scheme changes the game of VideoGame Production (tm).
But they're being so mean to Shenmue IIII!!
We know for a fact that Sony is funding development in some way:
How is that not clear?
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Am I being shameful?
Yo man, publishing is not development. I agree that Sony is investing money, but as a publisher, they can only market something that exists, and if the kickstarter failed there wouldn't be no game to publish.
You talk about reading skills, but the parts you bolded were referring to Shibuya, not Sony
Stephen Stills
Member
I'm guessing that $750,000 Microsoft gave Polygon might have an effect on how they cover PS4 exclusives, yes.
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