Yeah, stuff like Sonic Racing, Lego City, and maybe even Monster Hunter in the west seemed to benefit from being early games for the Wii U.
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WSJ: Nintendo Begins Distributing Software Kit for NX (Console + Handheld units)
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Yeah, stuff like Sonic Racing, Lego City, and maybe even Monster Hunter in the west seemed to benefit from being early games for the Wii U.
Prevolition
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I'm hoping this at least means they're going completely region-free.
Spyder_Monkey
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It's going to be fun 8 months from now when you and dozens of others on this forum start proclaiming Nintendo's death again when Nintendo doesn't exactly do all that.
James Scott
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Yep. Sonic Transformed did really well and if the NX has a good launch then it would benefit greatly from being there
lwilliams3
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Well, AFAIK, Nintendo hasn't really admitted to anything in terms of hardware power or architecture aside from discussing the issues of having a handheld and console with different architectures. The most we have of that is Miyamoto implying that the Wii U's CPU is something that they can improve in the next-gen console. What they did do, however, was to power-up the n3DS with up to 6x the CPU power than the original. If we go by that, we does appear that they understand the importance of a stronger CPU now.
I also wouldn't say that Nintendo is touting graphics and processing power at all. The demo that was reportedly shown may be easy on the eyes, but they did similar things with the Wii U when they showed that Bird and Zelda demo. What we may be hearing, though, is that the spectators are very impressed with what they saw. That is not a bad thing at all, but it doesn't mean that Nintendo is focusing alot on graphics this time without knowing a little more about the actual specs.
Pokemaniac
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Combining the numbers like that doesn't really work. But yeah, the CPU bump was definitely much more than expected.
Saying japan isn't worth discussing is like saying canada, the UK, france, or germany aren't worth discussing. Japan sells the same or more than these countries. Sotware/hardware/console/handhelds
Yeah guys, Nintendo having the version of call of duty with slightly higher frame rates and shinier walls is going to make people want to forego purchasing it on their existing ps4 so they may rush out to buy a 400 dollar Nintendo core box so that they can avoid playing it with their friends. In this reality, the same people avoid gaming pcs for their graphical needs.
Also in this reality, when that call of duty bombs, Activision ignores this and opportunity cost means nothing to them so they keep porting call of duty games with even shinier walls to take advantage of the 14nm finfet gpu with hbm2 for the large audience of people that switch to nx. This causes rockstar to finally notice and they move red dead 2 to exclusive status for free, propelling the platform to be the go-to for the 18 year old males looking for games with blood and tits after Nintendo announces that they're renaming themselves to "nony" to escape the family friendly image they've been cultivating for decades. This allows them to refocus their development efforts to switch Mario to be more like crash bandicoot (but with tits) and switch link to be more like Nathan drake (with tits). Communication on the platform is handled through chat roulette and it opens when you click the share button on the new 3 stick 19 button "triple shock 5" controller. Online costs 100 per year so that they can provide you with 1.5gb of cloud saves and allow you to host as many peer to peer games that you can handle for that money.
Preorder now to receive exclusive dlc for super bandicoot brothers that differs based on which retailer you visit.
Also in this reality, when that call of duty bombs, Activision ignores this and opportunity cost means nothing to them so they keep porting call of duty games with even shinier walls to take advantage of the 14nm finfet gpu with hbm2 for the large audience of people that switch to nx. This causes rockstar to finally notice and they move red dead 2 to exclusive status for free, propelling the platform to be the go-to for the 18 year old males looking for games with blood and tits after Nintendo announces that they're renaming themselves to "nony" to escape the family friendly image they've been cultivating for decades. This allows them to refocus their development efforts to switch Mario to be more like crash bandicoot (but with tits) and switch link to be more like Nathan drake (with tits). Communication on the platform is handled through chat roulette and it opens when you click the share button on the new 3 stick 19 button "triple shock 5" controller. Online costs 100 per year so that they can provide you with 1.5gb of cloud saves and allow you to host as many peer to peer games that you can handle for that money.
Preorder now to receive exclusive dlc for super bandicoot brothers that differs based on which retailer you visit.
Is that really necessary?
On that topic, some gaffers were saying that them and friends would've been interested in the Wii U version if it actually got DLC so if Activision does decide to port the next game hopefully they actually bother to give players the complete experience this time around.
A quantified shit post
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Pancakes R Us
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Completely agreed. Those that are putting a lot of stake into the 'industry-leading chips' comment need to seriously downgrade their expectations.
Re. Nintendo's comments...they say a lot of things and hen you get the complete opposite. Remember the siesta 'drought' comments? We got them at an investor meeting for GC, 3DS and Wii U.
wtf did I just read
It didn't really do well. That's why Sega decided not to produce a sequel.
Stevie, you bite a lot, but that was the first time i ever saw a legitimate shit post coming from you.
I understand your basic point about some being too optimistic in regards to Nintendo trying to go after the 'core' gaming market, but that's just too much.
I understand your basic point about some being too optimistic in regards to Nintendo trying to go after the 'core' gaming market, but that's just too much.
It's also a strawman argument. No one thinks Rockstar would start making games for Nintendo consoles just because Activision is releasing CoD games on their console and no one thinks it would be successful right away.
brainchild
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My brain hurts. You ok, Stevie?
What the fuck did I just read
I think it's likely it'll be a launch title, if NX is out next year. I don't think they'll do it exclusively for Nintendo again though.
Dagobert Duck
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Im neither and probably will get both....
Astral Dog
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They did what they could with 3DS, at least, its just that they need third party , no matter what they say or the fans think
StevieP :/
DaSorcerer7
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blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I normally share the views above. This time around I'm going tangential, though, as I sense nintendo will pull a wildcard, or an entire hand of. That, and one of nintendo's suppliers is in a very desperate state to prove their next product's worth.
CaviarMeths
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The Wii U has sold around 2.6 million in Japan, which is probably more than it has sold in all of those other countries you mentioned combined. Honestly, if there's any current market in which Nintendo's home consoles are beyond irrelevant it would be the UK, and it's been that way since the SNES vs Mega Drive days. The motherland has never been terribly interested in the big N.
How often taking a risk like that has ended up in a fiasco? Only with 360? For me that's not enough to rule Zen out. We also have to note that the HW inside 360 was way ahead of its time, at least the GPU and that brought several risks. I don't think we are in the same situation now (Zen is not revolutionary but evolutionary). Nintendo could end up not having enough stock, but other than that... What do you think?
It is necessary because most people in this thread are blind. A parity machine is going to get Nintendo NOWHERE. A machine 20% better is getting them nowhere. Likewise 50% or 100%. They need something so far beyond PS4/XBO to capture that market it's impossible. Nintendo mindshare with "core" Western gamers has completely and utterly dissolved and it's Nintendo's doing.
The best they can hope for is to hit parity or a bit more, make a bit of cash and slowly change the attitude of gamers over a 2-3 generations.
This doesn't mean Nintendo is doomed or any crap like that, they will be successful and live. But if people here think Nintendo is going to rise from the ashes in the minds of Western core gamers and Western publishers they need a reality check. The only way that will happen with tonnes of cash put into marketing and buying ports for third parties.
Sure, but are AMD so desperate that they need to give away their chips? Those sorts of things are not done lightly and it would be some sort of miracle if Nintendo got a cutting edge chip so cheap they could make a price competitive console that was impressive compared to what we have now. (I'm bring presumptuous in assuming that's what you meant)
But where will that get them other than profitable with a competitive console? Is that a trump or really just catching up?
By trump, I mean that they can get parity for cheaper, opposed to coming in at our below parity at the same cost as the rest. I don't really know if they are aiming to get AAA though, seems not worth it.
I know many lapsed nintendo gamers want them to make a PS4+ (or even a PS4), but I completely agree that nintendo's opportunity for growth and success isn't in the core western console market.
I don't think most people in this thread are as "blind" as you seem to think they are or believe anything close to what is going on in that post.
PdotMichael
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It's funny when people are pushing that a core focused console would be so insanely expensive when in reality the PS4 will most likely reduce its price to 2XX next year while doing a healthy profit with every console.
There isn't really much room in the lower budget segment anymore for Nintendo.
There isn't really much room in the lower budget segment anymore for Nintendo.
I don't really see the PS4 dropping that much if at all over the next year though its possible I guess.
It doesn't matter if it's expensive or not, it wouldn't succeed because it's not in Nintendo's DNA, and not in their target audiences mindshare (both consumers and publishers).
Boy Wander
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Probably because he felt that it was the only way people will get that it doesn't matter if NX has power parity and COD and FIFA and AC, it won't make any difference. I love Nintendo games but Nintendo as a brand 25-30 years ago was cool. It isn't now. It's for kids. And nerds who like to dress up as Link. And people who like Nintendo games to the extent that they're prepared to drop 300 on a console where they'll need to drop another 300 on a console if they want to play GTA or Bloodborne or Minecraft or MGS. I fall into the latter category. Most people don't fall into any of these categories.
CaviarMeths
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If you're implying that Nintendo can launch a console with parity at $2XX in 2016, you're not being realistic.
MilkyJoe
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Did it cross your mind that they are shifting focus?
Personally I would question who would not want a console that has Nintendo exclusives,most, if not all, cross platform games and more powerful than the current consoles? If it was powerful enough for 1080/60 on anything, you would have to get one.
As long as it doesnt have some daft controller gimmick
PdotMichael
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Looking at the fact that Nintendo barely sales consoles to anyone. Nintendo should try to change its DNA. It wouldn't be the fist time for Nintendo.
Honestly, I think that, in the beginning they should go for this:
NX Home: $299, optical drive/cartridge slot, HDD (500 GB), one standard controller
NX Portable: $199 (ideally, $149 but I don't think that's happening)
NX Mothership (Yeah, I know, way too cool a name for Nintendo): $449, includes both Home, Portable and download code for a game (could be an indie game, doesn't have to be AAA title)
Also, expecting NXP to be at Vita level is a bit too pessimistic. Vita has ~50 GFLOPS. "Crappy" Adreno 330 (Snapdragon 801) would give you 3x that (158 GFLOPS) and top of the line, Adreno 430 would give you 388 GFLOPS. There are of course monsters like PowerVR GT7900 which goes up to 819 GFLOPS and Tegra X1 that will be capable of ~1 TFLOPS. Of course, Nintendo probably (surely) won't go for PowerVR or X1, but I expect at least 400 GLOPS GPU in NXP, if "industry leading chips" rumor is true. Also, since Nintendo is most likely going for off the shelf parts, there is bound to be some heavy customization in the works which are bound to provide extra performance
Regarding NX Home's power, I don't think they necessarily need to aim for PS4 performance. Providing performance similar to Xbox One is enough, IMO, and that shouldn't be a problem in 2016. Reaching even PS4 performance shouldn't be a problem, however, I'm taking into account that Nintendo will make some cuts in order to maximize profits per unit sold.
Biggest struggle I see Nintendo having is getting western 3rd party developers on board. Decent specs might be enough to generate initial interest, but console sales will decide if the big 3 (EA, Ubisoft, Activision) want to stick around for a longer time. In the end, it's all going to depend on how low Nintendo is willing to go with NX's price. Ideally, they would price the console at $249 and handheld at $149, but that would probably generate loss on the hardware. However, those price would insure a very strong market penetration and that is precisely what Nintendo needs after WiiU's abysmal sales.
I'm 31 and N3DS is my primary gaming device (bought PS4 at launch but I sold it). I prefer gaming devices with dedicated screens since I don't want to compete for a single TV in my apartment (I'm married and have a kid). And before you say that I can also play on my phone, I tried that, but lack of buttons and lack of meaningful gaming experiences on Android/iOS killed smartphone/iPad gaming for me.
So, if your perception is that "3DS is for kids", you are perceiving only a part of 3DS' market.
Are you saying that Nintendo plans to ride that massively successful WiiU tsunami all the way to the 2017? No. Just no. Console will come out Q3/Q4 2016. at the latest.
It did. And they are going to try to get (back) a piece of that mobile pie, where their audience went. Not that core pie that they arguably haven't had since the SNES/N64 and were never really their focus.
EDIT: by which I don't mean they wouldn't want anything from the western console market. I'd argue they want the sport titels, the assasin creeds, the batman games, the lego games, guitar hero and CoD. Aka the casual franchises.
Getting casual franchises like CoD and the sports titles would be a step in the right direction.
brainchild
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We all get it, but that post was a jumbled mess. I half suspected that he was drunk when he made that post. At least, I hope that's what happened.
primasaurus
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Ok where are all the many statements/hints from Nintendo on a 2016 release, only thing said once so far is they will reveal more in 2016, Nintendo have a history of reveals one year before release as seen in the last 4 gens
How is releasing dev kits just before 2016 mean we will have games in 2016 when decent games often take a couple of years to make, particularly for a new feature set, Nintendo also have a history releasing dev kits at least a couple years before
Actually it looks like Nintendo will be better prepared for a 2017 release not a 2016 one
Let the guy I replied too and you give evidence of all these many hints since you brought it up, I'm listening
MilkyJoe
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Then what's the point in bringing out another console?
Their fan base were not the wii Sports casuals when the Wii came out, that was their market shift. At the time it was a brilliant move with the new exciting tech. I have a Wii, my mother has a Wii, my brother has a Wii, as do pretty much all of my friends. The problem for Nintendo there is that all of us have just one game for it, Wii Sports, and that came bundled. The Wii was a one off success and they are not getting that market back until something new and ground breaking arrives, if ever. Like you said that market now plays Candy Crush. So if they are going to bring out a new console then it makes sense that it is focused on a different market. WiiU failed because it was not powerful enough for the console market. Will NX be stronger? Who knows, nothing surprises me when it comes to bad nintendo decisions. Just wait and see, but if it is a power house then I would personally would be delighted.
Also , if NX is a new console, WTF was the QoL stuff?
Graphics Horse
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QoL was never a console, Idk why people thought it was anything like that. Their first example was a sleep monitor but they've been quiet about it since.
Boy Wander
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Getting AAA releases at the same time and completely un-gimped (hello, FIFA) MIGHT help. But they got COD at Wii U launch and AC: Black Flag and it made not a shit of difference.
Marketing of the Wii U was abysmal. They need to fix that first and foremost. It needs to be marketed as a games machine for everyone. Not for kids. Not for 'families' in their IKEA homes playing Mario Party 15 - EVERYONE. They also need to get Minecraft. I don't care if it's 3 years late. It's one less reason for kids NOT to ask for NX. They also need some kind of Pokemon game that you can play on both NX handheld and console with benefits exclusive if you have both console and handheld. Same for Mon Hun. Same for Animal Crossing. They need to make NX handheld the controller when in BW compat mode for Wii U. They need to make it EASY for 3rd Parties to port their Unreal games to NX. They need to allow you to carry over your VC collection FOR NO EXTRA COST. They need to KEEP ONLINE FREE OF CHARGE. They need to implement shitty trophies/achievements. I don't give a shit about them. Lots of people do. That's all I have for now...
Ah so basically you are saying Nintendo has to pull an Apple circa IPhone original launch day.
I get you're just being funny but it still funny you said it considering only two companies in recent history went from shit to gold in the span of one product launch. Apple and Nintendo. Nintendo did it twice though.
Well good luck Nintendo, seems like the best you will do is eek out some meager existance.
Although Vita's GPU is quad core (MP4+) the PowerVR SGX 543 core is last decade's technology (2009 at the latest).
http://imgtec.com/news/press-releas...-graphics-ip-core-family-with-powervr-sgx543/
Even older, the base PowerVR SGX architecture dates back 10 years ago to mid 2005. shipped by the end of that year I think.
http://imgtec.com/news/press-releas...er-graphics-family-for-wireless-applications/
It was originally codenamed 'Eurasia'.
http://imgtec.com/news/press-release/new-licence-agreement-with-intel-corporation/
Anyway, whatever GPU is going into NX Handheld will be a much newer architecture than what Vita had.
As for actual power/performance, I'm certain it will be significantly more powerful than Vita's SGX543 MP4+ setup, but I don't want to guess a figure.
That's a part which will be very difficult for Nintendo, coming mid-generation. OK You come after so you can have better tech at a decent price, maybe the same price.
It doesn't change anything, the challenge is everywhere else IMO.
Nintendo will need to convince at the same price (best case scenario) but with a library reset to zero (or in any scenario possible comparable to 3 years old systems).
They will also face a market where people will already own a system, so they have to convince them why they should buy another one. The Wii with the "wii60" thing and its cheap/secondary system status was another case.
Most people who bought a ps4 expect to keep it for 5-6 years like their ps3. In some cases this isn't about having a NX game they absolutely want, it is about not being able to afford two consoles in the same gen.
And finally, unlike any other time in their history, Nintendo will have to work on the long run. It's not another console generation, it's a new architecture, and the NX platform have to be here for longer than the usual 4 years lifespan of their home consoles.
For this, the first introduction of a NX home console need to convince everyone: developers, publishers, consumers. They need momentum, and they need to consistency put good games on the table, and get support from all actors in the industry.
Even with that, I expect we will see NX as a true success (or failure) only when facing ps5 and xbox2. Think about how much time android took to compete with iOS...
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