Agreed, I believe that tutorials should exist for newcomers and younger players but there needs to be an option to skip them for advance players or anyone replaying the game.
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Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam Bros. out on December 4th in Europe
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Agreed, I believe that tutorials should exist for newcomers and younger players but there needs to be an option to skip them for advance players or anyone replaying the game.
You should try living outside the US, pretty much every game comes out later here. Things like this are actually a rarity.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Most of today's tutorials are better than Mario and luigis. A button text prompt will show up on screen, you're still in control of your character, and you just do it. There's no Starlow stopping the game to go hmmmmmm you picked up a thing I wonder what it does oh I know try going though these button prompts step by step and I'll talk in between each one now press B oh wow that did something now press B again
You got Disaster, Another Code R, Fatal Frame 2, Pandora, Xenoblade, and The Last Story without a hitch.
Yoshi's Wooly World months ago...
TheMoon
Member
Don't start this. We can play this game forever. And the finishing blow will be the word PAL.
They're not denying we get some games sooner, it's just that the whole "NoA is the worst and we're getting screwed the hardest and all of our games later than everyone" narrative that's been floating around recently isn't accurate. Both regions are still suffering. And if you really want to play list wars, Europe has the 90s. That's hundreds of games later than the U.S.
You don't even want to know how many games Europe missed out on over the last couple of decades. Crying over a handful of games when Europe gets historically a far worse treatment is quite silly.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Shoutouts to Super Mario RPG just skipping Europe altogther
Don't start this. We can play this game forever. And the finishing blow will be the word PAL.
50hz should be one of the forbidden curses.
TheMoon
Member
Say it three times and ... RIP.
Maybe they internally also think it's a dumb and unnecessary name
Velcro Fly
Member
One of those games where EU and JP get it first and then two months later NA gets it.
I'm really looking forward tot his too. Despite my complains about Dream Team, it was a really fun game.
I'm really looking forward tot his too. Despite my complains about Dream Team, it was a really fun game.
MissileTrick
Member
Aw I would love to play this this year. I just hope it comes out early next year, so the wait isn't too long.
Glass Rebel
Member
Man, the art is, as usual with M&L games, on point. Dream Team is still the best though with that colouring style
Auxiliary Bro
Member
Shame this didn't get the Direct treatment, I really need a good trailer to sell me on this game because Dream Team was a bit dull for me in every department. The art is gorgeous though, and I do love to see more Bowser Jr.
balladofwindfishes
Member
The weird thing is, the first two Paper Mario games pretty much outright tell you how to solve puzzles or use things, just by taking Goombario or Goombella out and using tattle on the screen. And yet the game with the strange puzzles requiring very specific stickers or boss fights that become near impossible without a certain sticker have no in-game way to really know what to do unless you fail a few times and even then, the hints aren't great. And that's a modern Nintendo RPG that you'd think would be loaded with more tutorials than it needs.
I'm replaying the first Paper Mario right now, and actually did get stuck. Just going to a room, and Goombario says "that's a pretty nice dresser. I wonder what's inside of it?" and then I realized I needed to check the dresser. I only actually remember two real tutorials. At the start, and then when you get the action command charm. And actually the latter is optional.
Just weird they had a perfect template for letting stuck players get help with the Tattle system of the first few Paper Mario games, and then go and just ignore it for later Paper Mario games, or replace it with obnoxious tutorials.
Triforce141
Member
Oh boy, another Woolly World situation with release dates.
finalflame
Member
I hope NA gets TPHD months ahead of Europe. NoA has really been screwing us lately.
Wellllll...maybe, maybe not. I don't know if the tweeter above has confirmed it's still Spring for NA, or if they are just going by previous info. I'm assuming February or March since the localization work is already done. Up until the NOJ and NOE annoucements, it was 2016 everywhere.
perfectchaos007
Member
Shit if Nintendo is going to flip the typical PAL and NOA release dates of new games to make up for all the years NOA got games months before PAL, then NOA is in for many years worth of delayed release dates compared to Europe.
Or Nintendo is just reverting back to its reclusive out of the media self like they were pre-Iwata. It's too early to tell, but Nintendo was not an "open" company by any means pre-Iwata, and since Iwata's passing the company has felt similar to how they were before Iwata took over as president. Hopefully this is just temporary due to the transition and soon we'll see Nintendo get back with a regular schedule of Directs and customer Asks.
finalflame
Member
I'm mostly just bitter that EU has been playing Yoshi's Wooly World for months but we only get it tonight at midnight.
Not75Drops
Member
NoA seems to have gone into full marketing mode with Yokai Watch and Triforce Heroes so I wouldn't expect it to release in America this year.
While it's good that the game will release this year, it's weird that they've hardly shown any footage of it. December also feels a bit too late for something that hasn't had a lot of marketing.
While it's good that the game will release this year, it's weird that they've hardly shown any footage of it. December also feels a bit too late for something that hasn't had a lot of marketing.
Well, thanks to social media, I'd say it's not exactly as it was in pre-Iwata's era (right because...time have changed): we have Nintendo Minute, Cat Mario Show, Twitter posts / Youtube videos for games, live streams with Treehouse / staff from Nintendo UK (now, Anouma himself joins the fun), we've had Nindie@Night and the Xenoblade Panel @ PAX available to watch on YT, it's more "open" by default due to the different times. It's a weird in-between currently, and the Directs are missing A LOT, all the recent uproar of speculation with solid (if not almost certain - like TP HD) bases is making me realise how much I miss them (even more than what I thought). It's also the reason for my current avatar
@Not75Drops: ...That would constitute another hint for a Direct in the next future, in a perfect world: they announced release dates for both Japan and Europe, some screens on Famitsu, artworks to press, but no video at all. Even Amiibo Party got a japanese trailer for the announcement of its release date. Again, in a perfect world, this would remind me of how there haven't been a Dragon Quest VIII's first trailer for a week or two, despite the announcement, and then that dropped in the Japanese Direct on May 31st.
A Link to the Past
Banned
EDIT: Since we're talking about Iwata, has the new President said much about his plans of late?
Well, at least Europe is beating America wrt Virtual Console
Well, at least Europe is beating America wrt Virtual Console
Possumowner
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Outta nowhere
MulderYuffie
Member
Wish NoA would release it this year I am doubting it though.
WiiRevolution1
Member
I actually like the bros name in 4 & 5. As someone in the US I wish I had the bros name. It just sounds cooler.
Same with Luigi's Mansion 2 tho that may have been Japan exclusive name,
We didn't get Earthbound until the Wii U VC release.
Some new artworks (click to enlarge)
M&L Peach is taller, yet, Paper Peach looks absolutely gigantic next to her.
-shadow-
Member
How about a simultaneous release instead of screwing Europe over because NOA sucks?
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
NA has a lot of games scheduled for Q1 now. I wonder which will be artificially delayed until Q2....
finalflame
Member
Ok, fine.
Realistically, I wish all releases were handled in that manner. It causes a great deal of frustration when games are delayed for either region, probably mostly due to a lack of understanding about why it's necessary. I understand needing more time to localize into additional languages for EU (FR, IT, DE?), but I don't get it the other way around. I see no reason why a game currently released in English-speaking territories would get their release delayed in NA.
Maybe someone who knows more about how these things work can clue me in?
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
Mario cross over with Mario. Man Nintendo has been running low on ideas for a good while.
-shadow-
Member
I personally think it has to do with spreading it out as much as they can. Nintendo at the moment barely has any games to begin with and dumping it all in the same month is just not good strategy. Yes it's frusting for you, me and most others here on the forum. But most people off of these kinds of forums that buy these games probably have no idea.
Robin64
Member
I just went to Amazon.co.uk to buy Chibi-Robo and guess what.. It's not out here yet! It swings both ways. Let's not have the NoA bashing every time Europe gets something first, if we made a historical list, you would come up smelling of roses.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
European broderie can inform us how long it is.
Fair trade.
Fair trade.
Here's a bit more gameplay footage
At least the brilliant M&L visual style does the NSMB landscapes justice...
At least the brilliant M&L visual style does the NSMB landscapes justice...