Talonz
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MK X had a MA rating and sold over 3 million. A fighting games rating really means jack when it comes to sales. It decisions like this show why Capcom is barely hanging on as a company.
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R.Mika's Critical Art is censored in the latest build of SF5
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MK X had a MA rating and sold over 3 million. A fighting games rating really means jack when it comes to sales. It decisions like this show why Capcom is barely hanging on as a company.
Combofiend goin' IN on them booty nerfs yo.
LMAO
The more realistic clothes behavior in this game ruined an amazing costume. :C
At least in this picture.
3DimensionalAperture
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Correct, it's not necessarily censorship (in that we don't know for sure) - but it's very much possible that it was the case. And to reiterate before some "master of logic" strawmans my posts - I personally think this character's designs and animations are gross and perverted - but completely changing sexually suggestive animations like that usually aren't done because of performance related issues. Ken's hair clips and glitches through his model in game and that hasn't been altered - for example.
ElBoxyBrown
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Those who claim to love the booty but are in favor of this, we see you.
Leafhopper
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These types of threads always get these numbers of pages.
I'm guessing it's mostly due to the same users arguing with each other over a large number of pages than more that a lot of users are involved?
Senran Kagura Burst is rated T. If this would have been rated M, it wouldn't have been because of a single ass slap.
People are freaking out over every little change, period.
Mainly because we have been able to play the game and see things...so if Dan had an ass smacking taunt super that was altered...I imagine those who cared would be rather miffed.
I think most of the outrage is over the top and dumb but the bottom line people generally aren't happy when you change things they liked, moreso if it is done poorly (like it is here) and even moreso if it's done because people complained about it (not as likely imo).
Here is the crux of these threads, people don't like things like enjoy to get altered to appease another group especially when they don't agree with the change. As such, you get the back and fourth, the name calling, the stupid rage and all the fun we generally have in these thread because "you are changing what I like into something I don't". I understand what both sides are coming from in that case. On one hand, why should I have to basically give up something I enjoy to appeal to a party that could easily go find something they like and leave me alone. On the other hand, well for one its not that serious...as this is goddam videogames and also just grow up? But it is difficult in any sense, because those asking for change more than likely aren't that interested in the first place and the final product ends up being something no one likes (this won't be because of ass slapping...it will be if Capcom keeps dropping nerf bombs all over lolololol).
That is my only concern in these threads...I am all for equality. I play female characters anytime I get a chance to because of the rarity (in CAP games its because I am awful at creating cool looking dudes tho) but I also feel like there is less of a push for diversity and more of a lets take away from things I actually don't care about in the name of diversity. I don't like FPS and while I was butthurt during the diluge of FPS all day errday a few years back, I also didn't ask for FPS games to stop or change to suit my needs but for games that I like and did suit my needs to be made. I just feel like these threads are full of people fighting the wrong battle.
but honestly tho..this thread is silly. I am pretty sure, the ass slap will return and if it doesn't...its not the end of the world.
Well, at least I'm not alone in thinking her legs look a bit thinner!
Maybe she was thigh-gap-shamed by Cammy.Yup. Being rated M is actually a requirement from the MK fanbase, they were super disappointed with MK vs. DC.
Expectations. MK has always been the extreme one. SF has always been more family friendy yet still edgy.
Yep, but they should really remove it in this case. Keeping the slap sound but hiding it is so dumb...
Crossing Eden
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It is possible. But that explanation makes little sense, unless of course, there are more changes coming that we don't know about, like a design change.
I hear this a lot about Bayonetta. That's she's "in charge of her sexuality" and how that's really great and stuff. But when we call games out for being pervy, we call them out for being pervy. Not because "The women didn't have enough control in the situation." It's not "complicated" or "neither a good thing or a bad thing" when other not-so-good games do it.
If the pandering we see in games like DOA is bad because you shouldn't use characters for sexual pandering, which is the opinion I hear when it's other games, why/how is it not sexual pandering when it's Bayonetta? Or when it's Mika?
Cheesemeister
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Street Fighter V: no ifs, ands, or butts.
uncensored version to be unlocked with 1 trillion fight money or 100 USD
Next the breast jiggle is going to be locked behind fight money!
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Bayo 2 also kinda threw that excuse out the window when they still kept up the leering camera when she was in legitimate danger in a cutscene.
The jokes made this change worth it. I think we have our OT title.
Yeah, they did a piss poor job at "fixing' it if that was their idea.
3DimensionalAperture
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They might have had to town down the suggestive animations of the character in order for the design to pass ratings boards so that the game can get a marketable rating. Unfortunately, this sort of dance happens all the time where toning something like this down would be the only way for them to keep the design in the first place. I totally understand the decision even if that's what it came down to, but to say it isn't censorship is the sort of "we need to change what words mean because-- WHO CARES!??" attitude that has been permeating this board for a while.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Tears will be shed.
Hellwarden
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I would think they could maybe keep the teen rating, if that is the issue, if they just pulled out the camera slightly when she slapped.
The camera work as it is now just looks dumb, and not in a fun way.
mentallyinept
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Meta-argument if any one cares to engage:
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It's way too early to get a response from Capcom right now, but I could easily see this happening if they are trying to get a lower age group rating. This might be the first of many changes that we see if that's the case. It's funny because the protracted campaign of reveal videos and betas showed us a vision of the game that we might not have seen in previous years, and now leaves certain fans upset as they enjoyed the game as "originally" shown.
In any case I think the next update will reveal a lot about the intention of this if we don't get an official response.
Welp, I've read the entire thread and, unfortunately, it went exactly as I expected it to.
Claims of censorship, arguments about what censorship means, pre-order cancelled posts, people saying that those people who cancelled are man babies or whiners, etc.
Very little discussion about why Capcom did this, or why they would do this.
Claims of censorship, arguments about what censorship means, pre-order cancelled posts, people saying that those people who cancelled are man babies or whiners, etc.
Very little discussion about why Capcom did this, or why they would do this.
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It's way too early to get a response from Capcom right now, but I could easily see this happening if they are trying to get a lower age group rating. This might be the first of many changes that we see if that's the case. It's funny because the protracted campaign of reveal videos and betas showed us a vision of the game that we might not have seen in previous years, and now leaves certain fans upset as they enjoyed the game as "originally" shown.
In any case I think the next update will reveal a lot about the intention of this if we don't get an official response.
Yeah. I always thought those types of arguments were kind of weird since she can't really control a leering camera.
To be honest, I'm not really sure what the change is for though. If if it's from controversy, the bigger one to me now seems more that ALL females aside from Karin are dressed very provocatively. Changing a butt slap doesn't change that it's still a very sexualized game. If it's from ratings, there are games that get away with a lot more that still get a 'T' rating.
If the slap is truly gone (somehow I doubt it is), it's absolutely because of this. These ratings can be pretty arbitrary, which is why Mika can wear a handful of blue strips of fabric, but the slapping is a nope.
Orochinagis
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I still remember the time when even child cartoons werent afraid of the booty
I remember that butt was a crinoline
3DimensionalAperture
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His whole argument is that Bayonetta is NOT using sexual pandering though, if you actually read it.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea it's a slippery slope when it comes to ratings boards. But again, I'm not eager to call it censorship or to oppose the decision.
Exactly.
Haven't played Bayonetta 2 yet (own it though), but Bayonetta 1 at least was pretty awesome in that regard. The heroine was sexy when she wanted to be, but when it came time to get serious, the game stopped goofing around and let he take care of business.
Yeah isn't the ESRB a bit more relaxed nowadays? I can't see why that would get them slapped with an M rating.
Both sides are ending up with these long-winded 8 page posts on both sides trying to explain why the other is more outrageous and problematic than the other.
But all these tangents are taking away from the discussion; let's get on topic here:
We love the booty
They took away the booty
We need the booty back.
But all these tangents are taking away from the discussion; let's get on topic here:
We love the booty
They took away the booty
We need the booty back.
mentallyinept
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That... is surprising.
FalsettoVibe
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I still remember the time when even child cartoons werent afraid of the booty
What is this?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The "outrage" about the butt slap being very miniscule when you compare it to actual media outrages should throw that argument out as well.
I know, that's my confusion. Why is it cool for Bayo to do things that get most games marked as "ecchi" or whatever the term is? Why isn't it pandering for her to thrust her ass and tits into the camera in whatever that victory thing was she did. but it is pandering when DOA Xtreme 2 presents you with wet, jiggling mounds in the intro?
Booty Back DLC Pack incoming.
E_Darkness
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I seriously think that they removed it because it affected the flow of the gameplay. They made the super flash much quicker, and the ass slap probably looked really awkward if they zoomed in on it.
I mean, they may have removed it for practical reasons. And I'm pretty sure someone mentioned it earlier but they may have removed the wishbone because of other models (Zangief).
I mean, they may have removed it for practical reasons. And I'm pretty sure someone mentioned it earlier but they may have removed the wishbone because of other models (Zangief).
If I can say something about that, by all standards Burst should've been rated M. It was rated M equivalent everywhere else in the world, including Japan. I'm thinking it got away with an T rating the same way other digital download only games get away with the ratings they get: The ESRB lets publishers self-regulate when their games are digital download only. The ESRB itself doesn't really review those. Instead, this questionnaire thing is sent out and the publisher fills it out themselves.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Guys I'm working on a game with a girl who is nothing but ass
I promise to have a promotional image released during development cropped funny so you guys might think I nerfed the ass. Then you can concoct censorship conspiracy theories around this instead of considering that I may have cropped it funny, I may need to shoot for an ESRB rating, or I may have made changes to my game which is still in development.
Please look forward to that time when you can again jump to predictable conclusions and start another thread to join the ranks of this, the ESRB thread, and that thread about how more women own consoles than men that ended up devolving into how that's because they are all soccer Moms who don't know a controller from a tampon
Then we can all talk some more later about how women apprently being underrepresented on this forum is clearly because they aren't interested in games, and not at all related to the content and quality of discussion on offer
I promise to have a promotional image released during development cropped funny so you guys might think I nerfed the ass. Then you can concoct censorship conspiracy theories around this instead of considering that I may have cropped it funny, I may need to shoot for an ESRB rating, or I may have made changes to my game which is still in development.
Please look forward to that time when you can again jump to predictable conclusions and start another thread to join the ranks of this, the ESRB thread, and that thread about how more women own consoles than men that ended up devolving into how that's because they are all soccer Moms who don't know a controller from a tampon
Then we can all talk some more later about how women apprently being underrepresented on this forum is clearly because they aren't interested in games, and not at all related to the content and quality of discussion on offer
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