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R.Mika's Critical Art is censored in the latest build of SF5
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Not going to bother to read over a 20+ page thread about a butt slap, so I apologize if this has been covered.
I'm certainly no prude, but is anyone else
concerned that the Street Fighter team felt that it needed to stoop to this kind of thing in order to remain relevant in the first place? I always liked how Street Fighter maintained a (slightly) more serious tone even when a dude was fighting with stretchy arms. I'll still love it - much like I still love Soul Calibur in spite of similar ridiculousness. It just puzzles me that polygonal t&a would actually be a selling point for a game like this. So, I guess my feeling on this descision is a big "so what?"
I'm certainly no prude, but is anyone else
concerned that the Street Fighter team felt that it needed to stoop to this kind of thing in order to remain relevant in the first place? I always liked how Street Fighter maintained a (slightly) more serious tone even when a dude was fighting with stretchy arms. I'll still love it - much like I still love Soul Calibur in spite of similar ridiculousness. It just puzzles me that polygonal t&a would actually be a selling point for a game like this. So, I guess my feeling on this descision is a big "so what?"
You seem to, once again, be ignoring context.
Bayonetta wields sex as a weapon and uses it against others. She dresses the way she does and acts the way she does because that's part of who she is and it informs her character in ways that contrast and rebel against the archaic, chaste, even puritanical, opponents she spends the game combating. In her own words, she's an avowed heathen and hedonist who gleefully spits in the face of the patriarchal order that seeks to reign her in. She does what she wants rather than kowtow to the whims of others. She is, by her very words and deeds, a sexually liberated woman who owns her sexuality. It is hers and hers ALONE.
The women in DOA Xtreme 2, however, are dressed however the player wants them to dress, as skimpy as the player wishes to dress them. Their own personalities, feelings, and character traits are secondary, or non-existent, in the face of being an interchangeable set of sexy bodies to progressively uncover. The reward for playing well is literally stripper pole dances... for an audience of the player and the player alone. Their actions, attire, and deeds do nothing to advance any character traits, any storylines, anything of substance or value and serve solely, entirely, to titillate and nothing else. The fact that there are modes that you can "spy" on them unaware and snap photos of them in provocative poses shows just how much agency the women in the game DON'T have.
And that's the big key word there: "Agency". Bayonetta is full of it while many other women in games are not.
A lot of players, male or female, like a sexual woman with her own agency, as opposed to a sexualized woman without it.
WAIT
What is this?
Did they nerf Chun's face?
No, it's just the angle
WAIT
What is this?
Did they nerf Chun's face?
face is the same model, but they changed the angle and expression to make it look better.
same with Karin
Orochinagis
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WAIT
What is this?
Did they nerf Chun's face?
Doesnt looks like a doll anymore, good.
You're referencing the 'this is fine' comic with this statement right?
I watched the video and now you don't see her butt jiggle when she slaps? Big deal *shrug*
Spirit of Jazz
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I don't get how anybody with a modicum of intelligence could think the critical art was everything that's wrong with Mika's design. To be honest I think everything about Mika's design would be great if the rest of the female cast was less ridiculous.
Personally, I find it kinda takes away the impact and looks kinda awkward to just pan up. I agree with other posters that say if the game feels it needs to do that, it would probably be better just to make another animation.
Good!
face is the same model, but they changed the angle and expression to make it look better.
same with Karin
Didn't work >_>
I hope they didn't change Karin's fierce win animation, the way she's posing her hands has me worried. It felt so good before.
Karin so best
I feel the same, before SFV I would have never imagined the fandom wants SF to be a bit more like DOA. I'm pretty sure these series weren't perceived in the same light in the past (DOA fans know about this, their game gets dismissed by the FGC because of the tone all the time), but things change I guess.
7DollarHagane
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Holy moly
I usually try not to ogle or swoon over videogame characters but that hairstyle and costume does hit the spot.
EatinOlives
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Animations in games that are in development always change for whatever reason. But because they're changing animations that involve ass slaps everyone's crying bloody murder.
And the cries of "censorship!" are just tired. No, just because the change is something you don't like doesn't mean you can throw around the word. But I know how appealing that word is in these arguments, because it hints that this is done against Capcom's will and some external influence is forcing their hand.
And the cries of "censorship!" are just tired. No, just because the change is something you don't like doesn't mean you can throw around the word. But I know how appealing that word is in these arguments, because it hints that this is done against Capcom's will and some external influence is forcing their hand.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I'm split on whether they are getting pressure from inside or outside on the changes they are making to characters. I.e., Sony's influence, fan feedback, focus groups, etc. The changes they are making seem skewed in the direction of being more pandering, not less, which is why I find it very hard to believe what's happening here is an actual change and not just a glitch.
Time will tell I guess. I'm pro ass personally, but I personally take greater issue with the multiple face changes because I don't understand why they need to look younger. Still, not my game.
I'd normally agree with that but after watching the vid you can still tell she slaps her butt and it looks fine to me. Maybe they could tweak it a little I guess.
And that was a full outfit change, not a single camera angle. The censorship police didn't care one bit, lol.
Rating inconsistencies are a thing even without that in mind, I know. I think the point still stands, though, especially since, considering world wide ratings, the SK games walk a line between the equivalents of M and T (SKB with its ESRB T rating got a USK 16 rating, while SK2 is rated ESRB M and USK 12) - and the SK games do more, I think we can agree on this, than a little ass slap.
But again, ratings can be weird anyway, so I wouldn't really put it past some guy at the ESRB being hung up on a little detail like this - I just think that it's (very) unlikely.
"At first there was more ass, but when the testers said "this is too much ass", I made the entire game ass."
(pic unrelated...)
captainpat
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What do you mean by "selling point"? because they're hardly pushing t&a to the forefront. Least not like doa or Soul Calibur did.
I get the context, Bayonetta is all like "Screw you, Angels, I'm all this stuff that's bad and stuff." But when DOA is criticized, people don't say "This doesn't have justifying context." They don't say "DOA would be fine, jiggly boobed cretins and all, if the game also had storyline or characterization or decent gameplay or some kind of substance or the ladies just being a little less submissive."
They criticize it for being "softcore porn." Context doesn't make it not softcore porn, does it? Nor storyline, nor character traits, nor excellent gameplay, nor any kind of substance, nor the characters flat out saying "I as a woman with control over my own body choose to do this and wear that." These are all nice things, but they don't make something not softcore porn. And if the problem is being softcore porn, I think we've got cognitive dissonance here.
DOA team made that booty tech we don't need him.
DoA is doing super fine without him! Which has been really nice to see.
QisTopTier
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Better actually
aspiegamer
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Sounds good! I previously recommended that we hire some observers to make sure game animators don't turn down the level of lewd at any point after it reaches a peak. Nothing may be toned down or adjusted, ever. Drafts and drawings of anything featuring less than the maximum sexual content must be destroyed, or the internet might get angry. You wouldn't mind someone watching over your shoulder at all times, right?
StanleyPalmtree
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not a fan of this change, but not because of censorship (well maybe a little).
with this change now the whole animation is just presented weirdly,
she is still doing the ass slap, we all know it, someone seeing it for the first time will still see it, so why is the camera trying to avoid it? just plain awkward presentation.
i cant say im outraged or anything at this single change, but i do hope we don't see too many more changes like this, or at least put more effort into the change so it could even be considered an improvement.
with this change now the whole animation is just presented weirdly,
she is still doing the ass slap, we all know it, someone seeing it for the first time will still see it, so why is the camera trying to avoid it? just plain awkward presentation.
i cant say im outraged or anything at this single change, but i do hope we don't see too many more changes like this, or at least put more effort into the change so it could even be considered an improvement.
Then let me say it.
If DOA had a storyline or characterization that justified the overtly, hilariously off-putting, seasick-inducing, moon-physics boob jiggles and stripper-iffic, softcore Victoria Secret outfits, I and many others would be far more forgiving of the rather tasteless bits of the franchise.
Still may not like it (the reasons could be dumb as bricks, like "You will be ashamed of your words and deeds" Quiet was), but it would certainly be better than... nothing at all.
So, yes, Bayonetta has justifying context. DOA has no justifying context. We shouldn't have to point out the absence of context for it to be bad, just like I don't have to point out that BMXXX's nude biker girls have zero context for driving bicycles around topless other than sex appeal and fanservice.
It does. That's why this is softcore porn:
But this is not:
This character isn't wearing a lot of clothes, but the context of why she's dressed that way has an explanation and serves a purpose. The other does not.
Once again, for the 11th time, it depends on CONTEXT.
Dead or Alive and Bayonetta's context are NOT THE SAME.
You might as well argue that "violence is just violence" when there are degrees of violence and violence can be good or bad, tasteful or exploitative, depending on who uses it.
In burst you can't get them fully naked and a bikini is as far as it'll go
in what universe should that be rated M?
Don't be that guy. Don't be pedantic.
I did see hair clipping with that splits move somewhere in this thread. Maybe that's why.
A bikini is as far as it goes in DOA, and that's still rated M. Skin alone isn't what makes something sexual. Sexual themes count as well. The Kagura franchise in its entirety is flat out ecchi, so that should count for something. It counted for something on other rating boards.
BlastProcessing
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Are your feelings hurt? It seems like your feelings are hurt.
I laughed entirely too hard at this for some reason.
Your face is outdated.
Get the new more moe and younger one.
not bad but not better than old
Can I preorder this thread OT title? We seriously need this. We need this like we need da booty.
So the sex appeal and fanservice, as far as you're concerned, isn't bad? It's the lack of other stuff? Then by that token, sex appeal and fanservice shouldn't matter at all. It's the lack of substance people should be mad about/offended at. Fanservice doesn't really seem to enter into it.
Well being naked in and of itself isn't necessarily pornographic. It has to be done in a sexualized manner. Ripley isn't sexualized, sometimes underwear is just that, underwear. Same as how a bikini can be just that, a bikini. Or a catsuit can be just that, a catsuit. Or a schoolgirl uniform can be just that, a schoolgirl uniform. But if you sexualize it, make it into a thing meant to be enjoyed for its fanserving, then you've got fanservice, right?
Ass is VERY important. You don't know. Man *unf* the things I would do to bae mika, bae Cammy? *ahem*
WOOOT LAWD. I need to stop tonight. In Jesus name.
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