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Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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TheBryanJZX90
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So... if all those things you just listed are so disastrously scary, why was the last DOA game released here?
Blackleg-sanji1
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That was a fighting game. This is an entirely different beast.
eyeball_kid
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There's also a small possibility that their account got hacked. I mean, it'd be fair to give them the benefit of the doubt, for now, unless they have a history of unprofessional, off-message comments like this. It seems a bit professional suicide to just say "what the hell, let's alienate many of our customers" and then double down on the comment.
I wouldn't have fucking suggested it if I didn't think it was plausible, would I?
You might be comfortable seeing your name online linked to articles claiming you are a misogynist or work for a company that hates women or (potentially) that profits off using pedophillic imagery but is it a stretch to imagine that others aren't comfortable with that? Especially when their culture appears to be worlds away from ours regarding this kind of material and it's possible that they feel that they can't be sure how ours would react in the current climate where this kind of thing appears to be in the gaming news constantly or what the consequences of such a backlash might be for working with western publishers in the future.
Look, I think their fears are entirely unfounded. But it's not crazy to me to believe that they have them, and I really believe the game would recoup its localisation expenses three times over at least once DLC is taken into account, so that makes the most sense to me.
Because it was a fighting game, and a good one, rather than a tits and ass game. The first one also released in 2011 when this stuff wasn't getting the same attention. Look, i don't agree with them that the game would catch much shit I just don't believe that they're 'obviously' lying.
Sorry for the broken link. It has actually sold over 1.5 mil in total now. With 3.5 F2P downloads. That's a massive success for them.
Xtreme has always had the same reception as a niche perv game in the west since the very first one.
cartographer
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I find it pretty hard to believe that the reaction from Western media to a niche spinoff in a dying series known for its portrayal of women would be all that bad.
It's like worrying that Variety will complain about Backdoor Asian Hipsters 7: Director's Cut.
It's like worrying that Variety will complain about Backdoor Asian Hipsters 7: Director's Cut.
Yeah but DoA itself is a fighting game with fanservice element. On the other hand..
Not everyone speaks English in NA/EU.
McKeeverFever
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The cry bullies need something to be offended by and since the game ain't coming out this will do for the time being.
For what? Saying the truth, that is at least according to the company?
https://www.facebook.com/deadoraliv...d=758043784299709&comment_tracking={"tn":"R"}
aspiegamer
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Can I see your business card as a localization analyst for KT? Those are anecdotal arguments, but you're also making assumptions and exaggerations. Your gut feeling that it doesn't "make sense not to" unfortunately doesn't count for much.
The hilarious cries about the "SJW" boogeymen is an ongoing trend for some hyper-niche games. Small fan bases (in the tens of thousands, at most) who are extremely passionate make a disproportionate amount of noise. A few games on Steam this year have been published under a similar umbrella of "the feminist don't want us to play this!" and, although they're extremely successful by their diminished standards, they are not commercially viable for the broader market. This is what happens when the most passionate 1% make 99% of the internet outrage noise, whereas the other 99% of the public does not care. At all. Nor have they even heard about the situation!
With zero evidence to the contrary, this is a corporate decision. Take it up with KT. If, after prodding, they come out and admit "yup, the cabal of internet feminists contacted us and demanded we didn't release this game in Europe or North America but said that Japan and Asia were totally fine", then I will gladly accept your argument and admit defeat. If anything, the cries about the game supposedly being suppressed for the West are proof that it's wise for KT to not enter the PR arena for this. The game's biggest supporters are in actuality shutting it down with their own actions.
Neuromancer
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As a skeleton who has this game preordered I don't know what to think.
captainpat
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Worked for Dragon's Crown.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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If dim people hate-buying DOAX out of nebulous spite helps KT fund more licensed Warriors games and gets Ni-Oh made faster, then all aboard the outrage train for this one lmao
charlequin
Banned
You quoted my post about how there wasn't actually anyone complaining about this game... to complain about all these hypothetical people complaining about the game... because... ?????
Curse that Captain Hook, I tell ya!
Worked for Hatred.
Jawmuncher
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True, but in your argument in that specific scenario why hold it to less areas still? Could for example sell digitally through specific region stores. I don't think there's anything against releases labeled as such. But with that out of the way I get what you mean specifically.
TheGamingBox
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well there goes any chance im buying from play asia
And aren't those numbers from that one site? To be honest it wouldn't shock me if it was significantly lower than that.
It has already cost PA business - I was gonna buy a jPSN card this weekend. Ah well.
I guess I always assume there's a "twitter guy" when one of these things comes up. Didn't really account for the size of their operation - which is apparently relatively small.
Yup. I don't remember a time when those games weren't ridiculed. Why are people forgetting that now?
Blackleg-sanji1
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May i ask y nobody answered me on this
As a fellow skeleton who just ordered the game for his skeleton wife from this website I'm pretty annoyed!
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It's all propaganda.
By flying, Peter Pan is actually heating up the Earth.
Peter Pan is propagating climate change in perpetuity and we hail him as a children's hero.
They tend to overcharge, too.
I don't believe that! Pixie dust is very eco friendly!
I've compared their products with Yes-Asia, and yeah PlayAsia massively overcharges.
Near launch 360 exclusive title's only gonna warrant at best ~2K in Japan. Media Create probably hS the numbers
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You know what Peter Pan did the day after learning how to fly?
Patented his own version of "eco friendly" Pixie Dust.
Intentional or not, it still comes across as homophobic and demeaning to gay individuals by making their sexuality a punchline in the same way that Mr. Popo and Officer Black are still racist stereotypes of black people, regardless of Toriyama's intention when designing them.
Original Topic: This does not look very professional of Play-Asia, especially when it was fairly unlikely for Dead or Alive Extreme 3 to come out in the west considering that (sub)series was never a critical or commerical success that was shamelessly shallow fan service. Not saying there's anything wrong with enjoying those games or being disappointed with them not being localized, just that they have always been part of a niche.
3DS is their first region locked handheld
Let's hope NX fixes that.ShockingAlberto
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They really did try to make DOA5 more of a fighting game than a gravure idol show with fighting game in the background. When it originally launched, Mila was the front character with "I'm a fighter" emblazoned on all the advertising.
Just...it didn't make much money, so they introduced characters like Honoka and Marie, the tons and tons of costumes, etc.
DOAX is a whole nother tier of bullshit on top of that. Even the most cynical executive probably knows better than to release that here. Though now that the usual suspects are jacking off a storm in anger, I am sure they are going to "listen to fan demand" and give it a limited print run and a PSN release.
NeoHorizon
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Going to pre-order from them since I got my copy of Moeru Chronicles faster than I expected . I hope they bring out Moero Crystal soon.
. I hope they bring out Moero Crystal soon.
Coolio McAwesome
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The Dead or Alive series has always been criticized for supposedly being sexist and misogynistic. These are issues that journalists have spoken with Tecmo about in the past. These are issues that Tecmo has addressed in interviews. This isn't a manufactured excuse.
DOAX3 isn't even released in Japan yet, so it's not surprising that "nobody" has complained about the game yet. That being said, it's disingenuous to pretend that this game wouldn't have suffered similar criticisms that previous games have shouldered.
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Anyone who thinks the threat of backlash or bad publicity wouldn't be a significant consideration in any cost-benefit analysis of localizing a game are kidding themselves. If the game sold GTA numbers, it wouldn't matter. For a niche title, the threat of backlash could be a determining factor in not localizing the game (which appears to be what has happened in this case.)
Hoya Destroyer
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Its a pity DoAX3 isnt coming out in the West.
I'd rather TN ignored the SJW politics, if thats what holding them back, because I would expect they would make lots of money from swimsuit DLC sales, even if the game itself didnt sell lots of copies.
I'd rather TN ignored the SJW politics, if thats what holding them back, because I would expect they would make lots of money from swimsuit DLC sales, even if the game itself didnt sell lots of copies.
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