DarkLordMalik
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I am worried about the open world comment. I want to believe it will be for the better but ......=/
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Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Chunk 1 (CyberConnect2, UE4) Trailer, "PS4 Console Debut"
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Pagusas
Elden Member
I dont feel we ever saw enough of versus 13 to get anytype of impression about the "world map" it would have (or wouldnt have) had.
Lady Bird
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The only impression I get from Nomura's open world comments is that he doesn't cares for the current fad with massive and to-scale world map design.
And if that's so, I agree with him. The FF series never had those nor did it ever needed those to work and be fun to play.
But to interpret that not liking extreme freedom means that the game will have extreme linearity, well, you just need a bit of imagination. There's plenty of middle ground inbetween. The clssic FF world maps were a middle ground. FFXII's map design was a middle ground. Etc.
And if that's so, I agree with him. The FF series never had those nor did it ever needed those to work and be fun to play.
But to interpret that not liking extreme freedom means that the game will have extreme linearity, well, you just need a bit of imagination. There's plenty of middle ground inbetween. The clssic FF world maps were a middle ground. FFXII's map design was a middle ground. Etc.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I assumed they were going to make a large world similar to just cause 3. Nomuras comments make it seem like he doesnt want to do that.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Where are you reading this? Because it sounds like that's what we're gonna get.
crooked spin
Member
What would they populate that world with though? Extra/new shit?
We already know the journey and locations are split between different games, so they are more concerned with the density of each location than making it a seamless open world like FF15. Makes sense.
For FF15 anyway, a lot of that is populated with empty speed tree stuff, atleast for the open locations, and not actual things in the environment to interact with. To make a densely packed environment is much more difficult nowadays
Calm down. Take some deep breaths.
LouisaFerre
Member
lol. You do realize that SE doesn't even consider FF15 to be a traditional open-world/sandbox map either, right?
Rogue Agent
Banned
But that quote used to get me so hyped and made me think that I would no longer have to worry about this kind of thing anymore when they finally decide to remake VII, I was much more concerned about the crossdressing sequence and the other charming moments of the game being cut out instead, which funnily enough they've rectified they aren't removing completely. But then I suppose there's a reason Versus XIII never got off the ground and I know a lot of people are concerned with that happening to VII, but it's still a huge bummer if that is what they're indicating they are doing.
I suppose like has already been mentioned the actual scale of the world map was very much an illusion and was actually very linear A to B stuff, you could backtrack on Disk 1 but there wasn't really much to accomplish by doing so until you had the airship and revisited places on Disk 2/3 which could be done like FFX. But i'd still be upset for sure and that would definitely be the biggest thing to make me stick with the original as my definitive version. That and depending on how the Materia system is handled now they've changed the battle system to action based.
Hero Prinny
Member
I wonder with this remake if one of the new things added for the final part will do something with that secret ending in dierge of cerberus thats related to genesis. I know most ppl dont like him but shit, i enjoyed his weirdness.
There was. And then some time down the line a successive interview spawned a "we decided we didn't like the PSone world map and avatar mechanic on this game after all" comment.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Any guesses on how the content will be broken up?
I feel like the first 6-10 hours of the game (all of Midgar) will basically be the 1st episode, since it's relatively easy to pull off because you spent most of your time in Midgar seeing the same 4 places and it was also very linear.
Then the remainder of the 1st disc after Midgar will be the 2nd episode.
The 3rd episode will consist of the entire 2nd CD.
And the fourth episode will be the all encompassing release that will allow you to grind, explore, breed Chocobos, and of course finish the game and defeat Sephiroth.
That's sort of how I see it playing out.
I feel like the first 6-10 hours of the game (all of Midgar) will basically be the 1st episode, since it's relatively easy to pull off because you spent most of your time in Midgar seeing the same 4 places and it was also very linear.
Then the remainder of the 1st disc after Midgar will be the 2nd episode.
The 3rd episode will consist of the entire 2nd CD.
And the fourth episode will be the all encompassing release that will allow you to grind, explore, breed Chocobos, and of course finish the game and defeat Sephiroth.
That's sort of how I see it playing out.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I recall that too, and it makes me very sad. Somewhere along the line, I believe starting at 10 (though just starting there) the staff at Square lost touch of what made a Final Fantasy feel like a FF.
12, despite the love received by some gaffers, felt like trash to me. No connection to FF other than some visual novelties. The story, the characters, everything felt off and wrong. 13 was an even bigger offended.
I sure hope there's an overworld, because where else am I supposed to get my Main Theme fix?
DarkLordMalik
Member
I needed a world map that I could explore later in the story. This sounds like it won't be the case here. God forbid they decide to go with the FFX route =/
My hype is slowly dying with each new info that they are releasing.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Mine too man, mine too
So very sad about all of this. I think at some point we all just have to realize the FF7 remake we want isnt happening, in its place is an action rpg episodic story being made to appeal to more modern taste that arent completable with many of us older gamers. Its sad, but it is what it is. I just wish the PS4 release of FF7 featured redone high resolution backgrounds or something to make the old game a little easier to digest.
All I can play it on now is the Vita without feeling like I'm staring at a mess of pixels.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Sadly this is what I fear. I feel like they're using the first part to get acquainted with the engine and designing the game, so they don't have to tackle the "open" aspect of the game right away.
I'm hoping we actually only get 3 parts and the first part is gonna be all the way to Junon. This way they separate each episode by continent, but who knows.
Fingers crossed that Midgar itself is pretty damn big and explorable.
There could still be a lot of exploration in the regions that matter. There's a lot of waste involved with XV's model.
I'm speculating there will there will still be an airship to fly around the globe. You just can't land it anywhere.
There could still be a lot of exploration in the regions that matter. There's a lot of waste involved with XV's model.
I'm speculating there will there will still be an airship to fly around the globe. You just can't land it anywhere.
On a menu select screen where you can choose to instantly be transported to wutai, midgar, nibelheim, etc.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Im hoping we see a sort of "above the clouds" airship system, so you can fly around, see landmarks under you, chase the weapon, but if you try landing in a small/secret area (like Knights of the Round Island) you'll get Cid saying something like "Woah!! Can't land their Booboo!".
That would solve alot of issues and still make the highwind fun.
Bearpowers
Neo Member
"-The social situation has changed since the original game's release, so they have to be very careful with how they recreate the events. Stuff like Honeybee..."
Changing ANYTHING Mukki does is an insta non buy for me.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I would have been much more comfortable with a turn-based battle system. I am not against what they have shown but I am not automatically assuming it will be fun to play either.
Bearpowers
Neo Member
I feel you, they're claiming it's a sort of hybrid but I don't see it.
Maybe there will be changes.
They never claimed it was a hybrid. It's just very strategic by ARPG standards.
Agreed. It could also be a way to find some easter eggs.
Agreed. It could also be a way to find some easter eggs.
No. Would defeat the purpose and diminish the joy of getting an airship.
Relentless 757
Member
You know, reading all that reminded me: the cursing, especially among Cid and Barret, will most likely be gone due to the fact censoring would be strange if fully voiced.
So much for the "fucking pizza" line.
Edit:
That will probably be the case, which is fine. It's always jarring to play FF7 due to said lines.
thekiddfran
Member
How can it be open world when they say it will be episodic?
ArkhamFantasy
Member
It's not episodic, its multiple full retail games like Mass Effect. Your save/progress/level/gear will likely transfer over to each new game.
Eolz
Member
Same. Disappointing.
It's not like they cursed in the first place, they simply used some rough words. Cursing doesn't really exist in Japanese, at least not like we think of it in English.
Even if it's only rated T there can still be cursing.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Nah. Keep the pacing and world design similar to the original. I like my JRPG more linear and handcrafted in nature in terms of narrative and gameplay progression, with opportunities to side track along the way for side quests or hidden areas. I don't want open world exploration, tons of map icons to chase after, fast travel, minimap, all that sort of things found in Western games.
what are you talking about you should be able to kill everyone in 7th heaven if you want to and the guards will realistically react to that and put you in prison because player agency and immersion
hurf hurf
hawt
edit: WAIT WHY AM I THE GIRL
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I'm about half-way through FFVII HD and the whole worry about the Remake being open-world or linear doesn't actually matter a whole lot at all. FFVII gives off a pretty false sense of exploration throughout most of the game, because you are extremely limited as to where you can go and what you can see, so your path is extremely linear.
It isn't until you get the Highwind that you're able to fully explore the entire world, which is why I think my prediction of how they'll release the episodes seems to make the most amount of sense.
It isn't until you get the Highwind that you're able to fully explore the entire world, which is why I think my prediction of how they'll release the episodes seems to make the most amount of sense.
Nightengale
Member
This.
People tend to forget that FF games are linear as hell for like 60-70% of the game.
Shadow_FFVI
Member
The Mass Effect set up would be perfect actually. In terms of scope of each game and continuing a massive story through several games.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
I think people realize this. But, the shit to do in the world after you get the highwind is fucking awesome, so it'll be a huge blow if it's removed.
That's the problem and a big reason why they are claiming this game has to be split up. You can't just fake a game like this where you only have a few illustrated rooms in a town that you run back and forth through. Every areas has to be a 3 dimensional world that you can explore and interact with.
The original FF7 got away with a lot of shit because of the times, that made the journey seem far more expansive than it actually was. But translating that into modern day technology is going to be far more work if your trying to expand on things as well.
manipulate
Member
I'm so happy for everyone out there who will be experiencing this story for the first time!