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[nycgamer4ever]

Hmmm, maybe so.

My point is really just that I think being disappointed with the system from a software perspective is a valid opinion. And that Sony have kind of sat back and let the third parties take the wheel.

This is changing this year however. I bought this thing a few months ago specifically BECAUSE of the fact that 2016 looks killer for the PS4. It's just taken so damn long.

Good games takes time to make.

 

[Mendax]

Well it's true? I bought one recently with 3 games and now I have every game I want on the system.

I mean 2016 looks steller but it's pretty lacking right now for reals.

but that's your fault, there are literally more games released for ps4 than the other 2 consoles combined.

 

[sense]

Ya know, this fucking "salt" thing has got to be the biggest killer of actual intelligent discussion and debate that we have had in years.

Everybody that doesn't jump on the Sony love bandwagon isn't fucking "salty". Shit is so incredibly childish. As is the personal investment I am seeing from some people in Sony's sales, it's like friggin listening to sports fans talk about how "we're" gonna do this or "we" did that when referencing a team of individuals who don't know nor care about them. Get a grip.

I'm glad this thing is selling. It's good for this entire industry to have a console with this kind of runaway success, but I also feel that Sony themselves have done a piss poor job of supporting the thing with software. The main point being SONY. There are tons of great 3rd party games on the PS4 and that is ultimately what sells consoles, it always has been. However me and many others associate the Playstation brand with a certain level of first party support. An area that Sony has excelled in in every other generation and one where they have been faltering quite a bit this gen so far.

Most of their biggest franchises are MIA, and that is why I personally don't feel like it's a great platform for me at the moment. I buy Playstation consoles for Sony games. I also primarily play on PC so their exclusives are the absolute only thing I have the PS4 for.

I am well aware that many others aren't like this and if it's your one system then the lineup so far has been pretty damn solid, though it really wasn't until 2015 which saw tons of great stuff release for it.

I don't think the whole "it has no games" thing is accurate at all. Obviously that's complete bullshit. But it's also pretty obvious that incredible software isn't REALLY what's moving these things entirely. It seems like people are buying consoles for the hardware more than the software right now, due to being stuck with the 360/PS3 gen for so damn long.

I just want Sony to get their act together and start releasing the games in the franchises that I have cared about for years. The constant delays of Uncharted are really an underline to this point. I am always on board with devs taking time to make games the best they can be, but so far most of their best first party studios haven't even released anything. That's where the disappointment stems from for me personally.

Regardless, it's good that it's successful. I hope it keeps them on the route they are on now rather than the way they were last gen. And I SURE as fuck hope it shows people that consoles aren't going anywhere.

You do realize that it has only been two years the system has been out right? Ideally they should have had a couple of exclusives this fall but delays happen and that makes their lineup worse than it actually is. If sfv and uncharted 4 came out fall 2015 we wouldn't be seeing complaints . At the end of the day be reasonable with your complaints.

 

[FullMetaltech]

Hey, they are riding the wave on the news today with this, maybe date and price for PSVR at later CES conference is not impossible.

I think well get the usual VR stuff they've already planned but not a date and price. Id expect Sony to hold a press conference since they are treating this more inline as a console launch like they previously said. Id really be surprised if they do announce an official date and price at CES though.

 

[Mass Effect]

They haven't sat back in any way. All of their studio's are making games they can't magically start releasing stuff that isn't ready. What do you want them to do?

Exactly.

I'm not sure about the exact holiday breakdown but I think we have some rough estimates.

For the entire year, PS4 sold the following:
2014: 14.3m
2015: 17.4m

In 2014, 13.5 million consoles had been sold by September 30. The next update we had was January 4, 2015, which was 18.5 million. So 5 million were sold in 3 months last year as opposed to 5.7 million in 1 month and 1 week this year.

That's pretty amazing.

13.5 million was shipped, not sold.

Oh. guess we don't have any numbers from around that time, no?

I didn't mean to imply that they aren't doing anything. Obviously they are working on it, but it really seems like this whole generation caught every developer with their pants down. It just sucks being this far in and still waiting on the things that I care about from them.

And that's fine. Nothing wrong with being disappointed. It's just there have people people trolling/fanboying with comments like "lazy Sony," "no games," "where are all the games? Why isn't Sony making any" and people took your post to be one of those kinds of posts initially. It's hard to tell sometimes, because it happens all the time in these threads.

 

[JordanN]

I'm not defending Sony when it comes to any perceived games problem... but I do wonder where are people expecting them to get games from?

You can't just announce several games one day and be like "There! Done!".

Games today cost millions and take several years to develop.

You can't rush them or else you end up with broken titles that make people hate the system.

They tried alternatives like pushing Indies but then people criticize them for having bad graphics.

You also can't just convince Publishers to make games for it because they'll just point to the installbase and say "not worth it".

 

[Vena]

Unsurprising after the November numbers in just the NPD.

 

[Memento]

Since we discuss about Uncharted bundle, well... in November, USA, PS4 has sold 1,539,000 unit, and 626,000 unit were from Call of Duty and Battlefront bundle (251k BO and 375k SW).

So, another 913,000 unit... let's say that 20-25% of those sales are random bundle, this leave... almost 700-750k for Uncharted bundle.
Only in the US.
Only in November.


I think that, Worldwide, Uncharted Collection should be close to FOUR MILLION SOLD.

I think it is 2 million+ at least.

 

[nullpoynter]

PS4 is officially the most successful console ever with no games.

What games are they playing doe

Wow, it's going to hit 40 million before it has any games!

Imagine it when it have games.

Really? I really hope you guys are trolling. Over 30 million people would disagree with you. There are plenty of games to play, both first-party and multi-platform.

 

[onQ123]

So long N64! Sega Genesis next on the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles

 

[Draft]

I'm one of the millions. It's the only console worth owning.

^^^ crazy numbers. There isn't a console market. There is a PlayStation market that occasionally has guest stars.

I bet there are a few people (maybe even posters right here on Neo Gaf!) who are just chomping to find a link that supports moving the PlayStation 3 above the Xbox 360.

 

[Obliterator]

Incredible performance.

 

[chromatic9]

Amazing sales. Just goes to show how the exclusives don't really matter.

I myself am still waiting for an Uncharted or Gran Turismo to show up which shouldn't be too long now. If I did buy one sooner its going to be the likes of Driveclub, Last of Us and Uncharted Journey remasters that will I will buy. I play PC mostly so.

I'm not convinced this is the last console or whatever. Streaming is quite a burden, rife with faults and heavy reliance on many factors, just makes total sense to play it locally than filling the net with encoded video of games, plus the amount of bandwidth caps I hear from US posters is pretty alarming. If we forget streaming for now and look at Steam machines or whatever, the other problem is you won't get most console players to want to try a PC or understand how to. The console is perfect device even though it's not as plug in play as before.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

I think people do the whole "salt" thing in response to those who make posts that have no factual basis or are illogical. "No games" is just one of the things that entices such a response.

But to take your initial post head on, you implied that people are buying the consoles more for the hardware, and not for the software. I mean, that's as illogical as it gets. People buy consoles to play games, and we can see that in the software sales figures, which are generally extremely high. I mean, I don't know what other conclusion to draw from your post when you write things like this...

People buy consoles because their pals bought one and also which is generating the most buzz.

Pre-release
MS - we are not targeting high end graphics
Sony - we are going to make the most powerful console ever.

This isn't brain science or rocket surgery. Sony absolutely nailed the hype before the PS4's release and they have aligned themselves with the biggest new IP's from the third parties so far this gen. Their internal output hasn't been stellar or out of this world but it has been consistent

Trying to theorise why Sony are in the lead is laughable, they knocked it out the park at every opportunity whereas Microsoft fumbled and dropped the ball at every opportunity.

Its not about the games, its about the overall narrative and Sony have been telling better tales than Hans Christian Andersen

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

I don't know what to predict anymore, but 2016 PS4 will surely slow down, right?

I think the PS4 might clock 19 million this year, no doubt this will be its strongest year in sales before the inevitable decline begins.

 

[Aceofspades]

Looking at the GOTY lists invalidates the claim of PS4 having poor 1st party games. Until Dawn and Bloodborne were two excellent examples.

 

[Mr Git]

He probably has not come to terms that as you get older, the giddiness is not the same. Your expectations are more leveled, and younger nostalgia has weight with it all.

I always read your posts in the voice of Sir Alec.

Crazy numbers for Sony. It's when people point out it's sold more than other consoles that puts it into perspective, N64 crikey.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles

Nice! I must have looked up a different list.

 

[neurosyphilis]

Awesome. Now get my more single player story driven experiences that I always love the PlayStation platform for. Until Dawn was my favorite game this gen by far and my favorite game since TLOU. Now bring on Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted 4, The Last Guardian, Detroit, and Horizon Zero Dawn. And damn if PS4 has no games, what does that mean for Xbox One ? Because I know the PS4 stomps the Xbox One in terms of exclusives. Just because everything isn't a shooter or racer, doesn't mean it should be discounted.

 

[nib95]

Well it's true? I bought one recently with 3 games and now I have every game I want on the system.

I mean 2016 looks steller but it's pretty lacking right now for reals.

And that's fine. But try to appreciate that it's probably more because you have an extremely narrow taste in games than it is because the system is lacking in them. There are now what, over 400 games out on the system? If you are genuinely interested in only 3 of them, I think it likely says more about you and your tastes as a gamer, than it does the system itself.

Honestly, my advice would be to break out of your comfort zone and experiment with some games that you might not ordinarily try.

A good place to start if you're lost.

Best Playstation 4 Video Games of All Time - Metacritic

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Truly great sales.

The other great thing about great PS4 sales are hilarious Kaz gifs.

 

[Trago]

Looking at the GOTY lists invalidates the claim of PS4 having poor 1st party games. Until Dawn and Bloodborne were two excellent examples.

There's gonna be a ton of those this year. GT Sport and Uncharted 4 being the biggest ones.

 

[Silent Hill]

Congrats Sony

 

[King Gilga]

but that's your fault, there are literally more games released for ps4 than the other 2 consoles combined.

I mean I don't own either of the other two but the WiiU definitely has more games I'd want, but them prices thought, I got all 3 of the PS4 ones I wanted for what I'd pay for one Nintendo WiiU game probably and the Wii U console itself is around the same price which is laughable in itself..

I don't mind, I bough the console for future prospects and not what it has now, but I think denying it is a bit silly.

Honestly, my advice would be to break out of your comfort zone and experiment with some games that you might not ordinarily try.

A good place to start if you're lost.

Best Playstation 4 Video Games of All Time - Metacritic

I already own every game in that top 10. And everything except talos in the top 20.

 

[Kyoufu]

Japan should see a boost this year with big games like FFXV coming. Gran Turismo Sport and Uncharted 4 should do very well worldwide. There's a lot going for PS4 software-wise in 2016 that should see it do even better.

I have big doubts over PSVR however, with a high price I don't see the average consumer even caring. Coupled with the fact that VR is something you need to try first makes it a much harder sell. I don't see an Eyetoy-like boost for the casual market, at least not for a while.

 

[Beautiful Ninja]

I don't know what to predict anymore, but 2016 PS4 will surely slow down, right?

Sony's two biggest first party franchises are launching this year with Uncharted 4 and Gran Turismo Sport. PSVR is coming out and will likely significantly undercut other VR solutions for gaming on price.

This is the year where all the gamez are finally coming out.

I also wouldn't be surprised that both PS4 and XB1 get consoles out on FinFET processes and are able to lower prices even more as a result with PS4 and XB1 slims.

 

[Koobion]

Can people not remember things that happened even just this past generation? Sony is notorious for taking a while to get their first party momentum going. Their exclusives are coming, and are in fact the greatest strength of the brand. The PS3 is a perfect example of what happens when their huge number of studios begins releasing their flagship titles; the console clawed its way out from the bottom, which paid off immensely. While Nintendo and Microsoft were both extremely front-loaded, PS3's waves of fantastic exclusives are what gave it legs and caught it up to the 360.

The same sort of release schedule is poised to happen very soon. Obviously the difference this time is that Sony doesn't need this boost to become competitive. This is how Sony operates though, and is a big reason why they usually dominate the market. It's strange that people seem to be completely oblivious to this. Do that many people really not know anything about generations before the PS360?

2016 onward is going to be an awesome time for PS4 owners

 

[RedSparrows]

And that's fine. But try to appreciate that it's probably more because you have an extremely narrow taste in games than it is because the system is lacking in them. There are now what, over 400 games out on the system? If you are genuinely interested in only 3 of them, I think it likely says more about you and your tastes as a gamer, than it does the system itself.

Honestly, my advice would be to break out of your comfort zone and experiment with some games that you might not ordinarily try.

A good place to start if you're lost.

Best Playstation 4 Video Games of All Time - Metacritic

I'd warrant that the vast majority of console owners, either PS4 or Xbone, buy a very limited amount of titles - perhaps not in quantity, but in terms of style.

I mean, 35+ million PS4s? Big numbers. Bloodborne sales?

Not sure what my point is, but eh, as long as the games keep coming for every console.

 

[nib95]

People buy consoles because their pals bought one and also which is generating the most buzz.

Pre-release
MS - we are not targeting high end graphics
Sony - we are going to make the most powerful console ever.

This isn't brain science or rocket surgery. Sony absolutely nailed the hype before the PS4's release and they have aligned themselves with the biggest new IP's from the third parties so far this gen. Their internal output hasn't been stellar or out of this world but it has been consistent

Trying to theorise why Sony are in the lead is laughable, they knocked it out the park at every opportunity whereas Microsoft fumbled and dropped the ball at every opportunity.

Its not about the games, its about the overall narrative and Sony have been telling better tales than Hans Christian Andersen

Yes, and those types of consumers you're referring to don't buy them for the sole purpose of sitting there as an expensive paper weight. They buy them to play the same games as their friends are playing. Hence people buying consoles for the games, and not the hardware.

I already own every game in that top 10. And everything except talos in the top 20.

Why limit yourself to the top 20?

 

[The Baron Count]

I think people do the whole "salt" thing in response to those who make posts that have no factual basis or are illogical. "No games" is just one of the things that entices such a response.

But to take your initial post head on, you implied that people are buying the consoles more for the hardware, and not for the software. I mean, that's as illogical as it gets. People buy consoles to play games, and we can see that in the software sales figures, which are generally extremely high. I mean, I don't know what other conclusion to draw from your post when you write things like this...

As I said, I realize now how that came off. Should've edited that one.

I'm more thinking back to the PS2 and how ridiculously successful that was. You could look at 2001's lineup and instantly see that the platform was above and beyond. I just don't think that the PS4 has that. Yet is on fire sales wise.

I want games released when they are good and the devs are ready but why haven't the studios released anything?! Whaaaaaa!

Not even gonna bother.

It's a valid opinion but I don't think it's one the majority of people share with you. I've been astounded by the sheer variety of PS4 already, and it's only going to get better as this year develops -- something you wilfully acknowledge.

Your point of view is fine, but surely you must appreciate that it's representative of a small minority.

Certainly, I'm absolutely in the minority here, and I can only speak for myself.

This is not a Sony phenomenon. Microsoft fans did it last gen when 360 is in the lead over PS3, Nintendo fans did it to both of them with Wii sales and DS > PSP sales. And it happens every generation. I don't disagree with the notion that merely calling someone salty kills "actual intelligent discussion" in of itself. But look at the posts that typically make someone say you're salty.

"PS4 has no games, why is it doing well? I don't understand it!" is the average refrain that makes people say someone is salty. In what way did you expect intellectual conversation to arise from that? Those people haven't demonstrated they really want conversation, instead they're just mad something which doesn't have extremely specific and arbitrary categories of games they want is successful. They can't even acknowledge PS4 has more higher rated games, more exclusives and keeps selling tons of software to the very people they're gobsmacked ever wanted it in the first place. These are facts, and ones we can gain separate from our subjective evaluation on the quality of the games.

So intellectually both comments are a deadend. I'd say people should just stop responding to such individuals since they clearly don't want to contribute anyway.



It's not that they've done a pisspoor job of supporting the thing with software. Compare the Sony exclusives from Sony in 2015 and their ratings to the ones for Microsoft in 2015. Very comparable. Bloodborne is one of the highest rated games of the generation, Until Dawn has become a cult hit with very positive reviews, Tearaway is an astonishing game which might as well be a full sequel with all the new content. And I'm just touching the surface of games from Sony.

And much of where the "interpretation" of poor software comes from is that the type of software they've been able to offer this year is not from their biggest franchises, and that much of their biggest games got delayed into 2016. But they still had tons on offer, even from first party.

See, again, what this amounts to is simply you not getting the games you personally wanted, not whether or not Sony actually failed to deliver to its customers great first party titles. They did, and most reviewed well. You just didn't like them.



See you say as much here. For you, "good software" and a "good effort" from Sony = MUST HAVE THEIR BIGGEST FRANCHISES™. Nevermind how good Bloodborne or Tearaway or Until Dawn are. They're not their BIGGEST FRANCHISES™. Sony acknowledged they didn't have the lineup they wanted due to development delays, but I don't think they should have even said that. Because we need to get away from the idea that only the most AAA of AAA titles amounts to good lineups.

On top of that, the implication from posts like your own is that "development delays" somehow equals Sony not trying hard enough or being lazy. The reality, however, is that they delay games because they are not up to their quality standards, and they take a financial hit for doing so. The opposite of being lazy. It's doing the hard thing for the right reasons.



Where is your evidence they are buying it more for hardware or software? FYI, the data does not support this. The software attach rate is quite good and comparable to XBO.

You make good points. My disappointments are certainly esoteric to me, didn't intend to imply other wise. By no means was I calling them lazy though, I would never do that. It just seems like games didn't really get off the ground for these platforms as soon as they should have.

I also see where you are coming from with the whole emphasis on AAA thing, but those games are the ones that appeal to the most people. That's just the way it is. They are the biggest sellers and thus are always going to be considered one the most important aspects of a console lineup.

And I have no evidence obviously. That isn't a thing that can be supported with evidence. Yet again, just seems that way to me based on the fact that the sales are absolutely destroying a hell of a lot of other consoles that arguable had better lineups at this same point in time.

 

[prwxv3]

I didn't mean to imply that they aren't doing anything. Obviously they are working on it, but it really seems like this whole generation caught every developer with their pants down. It just sucks being this far in and still waiting on the things that I care about from them.



Well, I usually eagerly anticipate anything Sony Santa Monica works on and we haven't gotten to see exactly what that is yet, Uncharted obviously, but that's coming soon. And of course Gran Turismo which we are finally starting to see. They are certainly taking care of the one area that I feel they have been weak in so far, it's just taking so long and it's frustrating.



I can see that. I'm tired and always multi tasking. I should have been more concise. You're right.

SSM just had a game cancelled bro. They are now working on a new GOW and that takes time. UC4 had that dev shakeup.

 

[thekiddfran]

Ya know, this fucking "salt" thing has got to be the biggest killer of actual intelligent discussion and debate that we have had in years.

Everybody that doesn't jump on the Sony love bandwagon isn't fucking "salty". Shit is so incredibly childish. As is the personal investment I am seeing from some people in Sony's sales, it's like friggin listening to sports fans talk about how "we're" gonna do this or "we" did that when referencing a team of individuals who don't know nor care about them. Get a grip.

I'm glad this thing is selling. It's good for this entire industry to have a console with this kind of runaway success, but I also feel that Sony themselves have done a piss poor job of supporting the thing with software. The main point being SONY. There are tons of great 3rd party games on the PS4 and that is ultimately what sells consoles, it always has been. However me and many others associate the Playstation brand with a certain level of first party support. An area that Sony has excelled in in every other generation and one where they have been faltering quite a bit this gen so far.

Most of their biggest franchises are MIA, and that is why I personally don't feel like it's a great platform for me at the moment. I buy Playstation consoles for Sony games. I also primarily play on PC so their exclusives are the absolute only thing I have the PS4 for.

I am well aware that many others aren't like this and if it's your one system then the lineup so far has been pretty damn solid, though it really wasn't until 2015 which saw tons of great stuff release for it.

I don't think the whole "it has no games" thing is accurate at all. Obviously that's complete bullshit. But it's also pretty obvious that incredible software isn't REALLY what's moving these things entirely. It seems like people are buying consoles for the hardware more than the software right now, due to being stuck with the 360/PS3 gen for so damn long.

I just want Sony to get their act together and start releasing the games in the franchises that I have cared about for years. The constant delays of Uncharted are really an underline to this point. I am always on board with devs taking time to make games the best they can be, but so far most of their best first party studios haven't even released anything. That's where the disappointment stems from for me personally.

Regardless, it's good that it's successful. I hope it keeps them on the route they are on now rather than the way they were last gen. And I SURE as fuck hope it shows people that consoles aren't going anywhere.

It is the bolded that is actually stopping people from having actual intelligent discussion and debate. Stupid comments like this is why these threads become a mess.

Do you actually think Sony is sitting on their arse doing nothing?

You do realise all their 1st party studios are currently making games for the PS4? Do you want them to rush their games out and then get panned for creating a half baked, rushed game?

Good games take a while to make, not even Sony can predict exactly how game development will turn out

What these sales prove is, 1st party games literally mean nothing when it comes to sales. So to the general consumer, Sony are doing a better job than the rest at supporting the console.

 

[Aceofspades]

Doesn't having 36m PS4s put MAU on par with steam 12m?

 

[Draft]

dang @ that PS4 top 10 on Metacritic. Bloodborne the only exclusive. Everything else either on PC or PS3. No wonder so many Gaffers don't think the PS4 has many games. They've already played most of the heavy hitters.

 

[neurosyphilis]

Some people seriously have no life at all. Getting all worked up because a console is selling well. What kind of sad and pathetic life must you live ?

 

[prwxv3]

dang @ that PS4 top 10 on Metacritic. Bloodborne the only exclusive. Everything else either on PC or PS3. No wonder so many Gaffers don't think the PS4 has many games. They've already played most of the heavy hitters.

Who gives a shit if it's exclusive or not. they are games that can be played on ps4.

 

[jim2point0]

I'm part of the sales! I got one for Christmas.

Just Destiny so far. It's..... alright. I'm not really sold on it yet so I don't know if I want to get The Taken King.

 

[Primethius]

I'm part of the sales! I got one for Christmas.

Just Destiny so far. It's..... alright. I'm not really sold on it yet so I don't know if I want to get The Taken King.

If base game is remotely enjoyable for you, Taken King is much better in pretty much every regard.

I say this as someone who didn't enjoy the base game at all aside from Raids.

 

[eerik9000]

Pre-release
MS - we are not targeting high end graphics
Sony - we are going to make the most powerful console ever.

More like:
MS - wathing live television is the future!!!!
Sony - we made a fuckton of mistakes with PS3, please forgive us

 

[Lasthope106]

Well deserved Sony. You made the best console, with the best software and services, and people are speaking with their wallets. What im wondering, do Sony save $249 to counter the NX launch? And do MS pull an OG Xbox and throw in the towel on the One 4 years in and launch a new box as soon as they can?

I feel like I've fallen into the GAF never-ending vortex of having to explain why the Original Xbox was discontinued. It was nVidia's fault that Microsoft couldn't make money off that hardware. That's why it was discontinued so quick. The big 3 this generation all said they were designing their respective consoles with profitability of the hardware from day 1. As long as Sony and MS continue making money on the hardware they will be fine this generation.

As to the NX, if Nintendo does what Nintendo does, then the hardware will be on par with the current systems. I can't imagine Nintendo ever designing a console that pushes graphics technology beyond their rivals.

 

[Zophar]

Whining about Sony not bringing out their biggest IPs yet seems a little silly. It's not like the competition is doing much better. By most measures it seems like Halo 5 and Forza 5/6, while they exist, are underwhelming compared to their predecessors. Still no new Gears/Fable on that front, too. Nintendo has put out Mario/Kart/Smash to great success, but we're going on year 4 now with still no Zelda/Metroid. Half their stable has yet to show up. It also seems clear to me Sony wants the wind to blow another direction, judging by the faith they've placed in titles like BB, Horizon, and TLG.

Big name AAA IPs have been a mixed bag all generation IMO - the real software stars have been newcomers and riskier stuff: Bayonetta 2, Xeno X, Sunset Overdrive, Bloodborne, Until Dawn, etc. To me titles like these are a lot more exciting than the next iteration on tentpole franchises too big to rock the boat. When paired with the wealth of independent low-budget stuff, this is what this generation has really been about.

 

[Melchiah]

No, I explained why I feel the platform is weak for me personally at this moment instead of just saying "it has no games!" which is non-sense.

I don't think the proper response to something like that is to go "lol salt" either though.

I think people do the whole "salt" thing in response to those who make posts that have no factual basis or are illogical. "No games" is just one of the things that entices such a response.

But to take your initial post head on, you implied that people are buying the consoles more for the hardware, and not for the software. I mean, that's as illogical as it gets. People buy consoles to play games, and we can see that in the software sales figures, which are generally extremely high. I mean, I don't know what other conclusion to draw from your post when you write things like this...

I don't think the whole "it has no games" thing is accurate at all. Obviously that's complete bullshit. But it's also pretty obvious that incredible software isn't REALLY what's moving these things entirely. It seems like people are buying consoles for the hardware more than the software right now, due to being stuck with the 360/PS3 gen for so damn long.

The funny thing is, that the PS4 has far more critically acclaimed games than the other current consoles, yet some people still hold on to the belief that it lacks good games. That's why these claims about the software library being weak sound pretty myopic.

 

[Jeronimo Jones]

Crazy numbers for Sony, almost doubling the base in a year??

I don't think I've done it, but responding to troll posts by pointing out their high sodium levels seems fair to me in a sales thread.

There's not much discussion to be had when someone breaks out the "I don't understand, no games, worst generation" comments. List wars haven't changed opinions or countered attempts to dismiss sales success in previous threads anyway.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Its cool and all, but i dont understand why its still selling so well.

I mean since its launch, nothing really improved in OS or Services aka PSN. Some of the first Party games for my taste are really uninteresting and really dont provide much if you are multiplayer gamer.

I mean XboxOne IMO does it way better at the moment. Monthly OS Updates, we got a completly redesigned and faster UI, BC and the Games with Gold selection is way better too over the month and with BC even better.

Sure its great that its selling well, but i really cant understand it. Sure the Hardware is better. But cmon nobody can deny that Sony is really lazy so far.

Salt already. Should be a fun read.

 

[PeterLegend]

Announce a slim model and ill bite

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

That's a lot of millions. Don't screw it up, Sony.

 

[Draft]

Who gives a shit if it's exclusive or not. they are games that can be played on ps4.

People who play a lot of games (posters here?) might give a shit since the "killer apps" might have already killed them on another platform.

 

[illmatic22]

dang @ that PS4 top 10 on Metacritic. Bloodborne the only exclusive. Everything else either on PC or PS3. No wonder so many Gaffers don't think the PS4 has many games. They've already played most of the heavy hitters.

Well as the numbers show, those Gaffers don't mean shit. Sorry Draft but it is what it is and ain't nothing yall can do about it.

 

[nib95]

dang @ that PS4 top 10 on Metacritic. Bloodborne the only exclusive. Everything else either on PC or PS3. No wonder so many Gaffers don't think the PS4 has many games. They've already played most of the heavy hitters.

That's the thing most don't realise, it's multi platform games that are selling these consoles, not exclusives. Hell, I don't think there is a single exclusive in the Xbox One's top 10 on meta. I think only Nintendo breaks the mould heavily in that regard, though I'm sure this year will mix things up a bit.

In any case, this is from the Euro sales thread for the best selling Germany games LTD for the year. I doubt the US list would be that different….

01 (01) [PS4] CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III (200-500K)
02 (02) [PS4] FIFA 16 (>500K)
03 (03) [PS4] STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT (100-200K)
04 (04) [PS4] FALLOUT 4 (200-500K)
05 (05) [PS4] NEED FOR SPEED (100-200K)
06 (09) [PS4] GRAND THEFT AUTO V (>500K)
07 (07) [PS4] JUST CAUSE 3
08 (06) [PS4] ASSASSIN'S CREED: SYNDICATE (100-200K)
09 (13) [PS4] TOM CLANCY'S RAINBOW SIX: SIEGE
10 (12) [PS3] FIFA 16

Bloodborne sales?

I don't know what Bloodborne's sales are at present, but it sold 2 million as of about 4-5 months ago.

 

[The Baron Count]

And that's fine. Nothing wrong with being disappointed. It's just there have people people trolling/fanboying with comments like "lazy Sony," "no games," "where are all the games? Why isn't Sony making any" and people took your post to be one of those kinds of posts initially. It's hard to tell sometimes, because it happens all the time in these threads.

Yeah, my fault. I'm normally better about self editing and making my point clear. Kind of didn't do that.

It is the bolded that is actually stopping people from having actual intelligent discussion and debate. Stupid comments like this is why these threads become a mess.

Do you actually think Sony is sitting on their arse doing nothing?

You do realise all their 1st party studios are currently making games for the PS4? Do you want them to rush their games out and then get panned for creating a half baked, rushed game?

Good games take a while to make, not even Sony can predict exactly how game development will turn out

I'm probably being too harsh on them, I get that. That's irrational and I should really try to understand why these things have happened, but at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that I am disappointed with things so far. 2015 was the first really good year I feel they have had, I just keep going back to the PS2's lineup in my head, but things are different now. I guess that isn't really fair anymore.

SSM just had a game cancelled bro. They are now working on a new GOW and that takes time. UC4 had that dev shakeup.

Yeah, and that's a bummer.