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[BiggNife]

I have literally no idea. If you don't care that's fine, but why would anyone ever be happy about something like this? It's a very slippery slope. One day they might censor something you wanted.

And it is 100% censorship. People that are happy about the specific change don't want to call it that, because the word "censorship" has a much more negative connotation than "localization," but it is censorship.

1) No matter what you say, it is not censorship. By the definition of censorship, it is not censorship. Nintendo are the ones who made the game. They are making a conscious decision to remove their own content in the western release without anyone forcing them to. If the ESRB forced them to remove it, that would be censorship. Nintendo removing their own content isn't.

2) The "slippery slope" argument is a bullshit tactic used for fear-mongering. There is no proof whatsoever that changing some revealing clothing or a weird petting minigame will eventually lead to huge swaths of content in games being removed for western releases.

 

[Instro]

Kind of sad how much exploitative otaku shit is/was in this game.

 

[Drop]

But it was completely optional. I'd understand if it were tightly woven into supports, but this was a feature a player could choose to ignore entirely.

I hate to be that guy, but Masashiro Sakurai's point is pretty valid for this situation..

It's a really valid point and I agree 100%

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

I'm not going to resist that it's censorship necessarily. I just also feel that dismissing it as censorship and going "I hate any and all censorship" doesn't really allow for any nuance. This isn't a black and white issue to me. I might look at one edit and assert "that seems like a good choice for the American market" and look at another and surmise that it seems misguided. Perhaps some think this specific change is misguided, and that's fine. But I can't really get on board with the idea that one needs to pick a side and declare that censorship is either inherently good or inherently bad.

Personally I hate all censorship, independent of whether I think it's a good business decision or not. In this (and most other) cases, it probably is a good business move. I disagree with it while also recognizing that it is completely sales and PR driven.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I hope IntSys are taking notes.

 

[kewlmyc]

Lol, /v/'s probably losing their mind. Can't even go there anymore without people bitching about censorship.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Good. I have no interest in petting my army.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Making Fire Emblem more like old Fire Emblem is my fanservice. And there's nothing wrong with fanservice! Please let me be serviced I'm looking forward to more localization changes.

If you're hoping for cut optional content that doesn't effect you at all despite people liking said content, then you're kind of being a bully :/

 

[captainpat]

Well, based on this thread with all these new people being on board for the game, FE Fates will be a resounding success.

I doubt people are going to drop $40-$80 on a game because they heard a optional feature they didn't like was cut.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Do we really need a Fire Emblem dating sim?

Do some of you really want that? I know the genre is getting popular recently. Some of you are genuinely heartbroken by this.

 

[GasProblem]

Sooo, harmless optional content gets cut without anything in return and some people are screaming with joy?

Uh ok. Must live a careless life if this is stuff you get upset about.

 

[Canon]

Why is japanese devlopers allowed to get away with this? Is there no movement to stop this kind of creepy stuff from happening in their games. I would be worried if I was a gamer in japan

I have friends in Japan and let me tell you there is no desire to stop this. They sell hentai in plain view in stores, big shelves full of them in the center of the store. So, yeah, this is nothing.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

1) No matter what you say, it is not censorship. By the definition of censorship, it is not censorship. Nintendo are the ones who made the game. They are making a conscious decision to remove their own content in the western release without anyone forcing them to. If the ESRB forced them to remove it, that would be censorship. Nintendo removing their own content isn't.

I'm under the impression that it is Nintendo of America that is removing the content, and not Intelligent Systems/ Nintendo of Japan.

 

[Coffee Dog]

What the fuck? It's not porn. I thought it was funny. :/

 

[Minister of the Dog]

This wasn't even compulsory to play the game. People who didn't want this could've just dismissed it, now those who wanted to try it out can't whatsoever. Sad.

Those were pokemon, not people. And depending on the pokemon it was still fairly disconcerting.

These are digital characters, not people.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

This is extremely disappointing. =/ I understand the complaints about the feature (but, like...just ignore it if you don't like it?), but I think a lot of people fail to realize that for gay individuals like myself, this feature was really nice because, as far as I understood, you could use this "petting" feature on any character, including characters of the same sex as your avatar. This was the only way to have any sort of intimacy with same-sex characters outside of the single male and female characters that you can marry with a same-sex avatar. While it's great that the same-sex marriage is still there, and it's certainly a big step up from Awakening that featured none of it, it's still extremely disappointing that there was even more that we could have had, but of course they cut that out of the localization. =/

Yeah, being bi myself I can't lie and say I wasn't interested in the guy part of this.
Especially since their's only one male character who can engage in same-sex marriage.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

If you're hoping for cut optional content that doesn't effect you at all despite people liking said content, then you're kind of being a bully :/

you can tell the guy is just taunting you at this point right

(hint: "" is a massive giveaway)

 

[Neiteio]

Gotta agree with Sakurai

 

[Kouriozan]

So, it's going to be harder to raise relationship?

 

[sensui-tomo]

I have friends in Japan and let me tell you there is no desire to stop this. They sell hentai in plain view in stores, big shelves full of them in the center of the store. So, yeah, this is nothing.

Nothing wrong with that unless children can see it. And if the characters are not underaged.

 

[MrDaravon]

If they censor out something I think is good, then I'll react to that. I don't know. I understand why some people get bummed out by these types of changes. It's perfectly within your rights to want access to content within other versions. I just also think it's within Nintendo's rights to look at markets differently and try to cater the product as best they can to those markets. That's what we mean when we argue that it's part of the localization effort.

I'm not going to resist that it's censorship necessarily. I just also feel that dismissing it as censorship and going "I hate any and all censorship" doesn't really allow for any nuance. This isn't a black and white issue to me. I might look at one edit and assert "that seems like a good choice for the American market" and look at another and surmise that it seems misguided. Perhaps some think this specific change is misguided, and that's fine. But I can't really get on board with the idea that one needs to pick a side and declare that censorship is either inherently good or inherently bad.

Pretty much this. These are products being localized to different markets with different audiences, tastes and standards. It's always going to be a slippery slope, and people should take stands where they feel appropriate, but it is never going to be a black & white / all or nothing situation. I honestly can't take someone seriously if they say nothing should ever be cut or changed in any game ever for any reason for different regions.

 

[RM8]

What if some people wanted it? Why can't they get theirs too? This is all pretty silly if you ask me. Removing some mini game where you pat your characters on the head for affection isn't going to stop Fire Emblem from being a juvenile anime game. The old school FE fans are still going to have the same problems with Fates.

You can't please everyone. I'd still change a lot of things indeed, but this was a good step. And you still have cringe worthy confessions and character designs. So let us have this one at least!

If you're hoping for cut optional content that doesn't effect you at all despite people liking said content, then you're kind of being a bully :/

I can't help being vocal about liking the end product better now, man.

 

[SliceSabre]

I boo this move utterly and completely.

 

[Holundrian]

Incest is still in it regardless. If they change that part then the story will have been altered. And it was in the old games.

Strictly speaking there's no incest because story contrivances.

Maybe the localization can "censor" the dumbass reason for children to something better.

 

[Merc_]

The less creepy shit, the better. This isn't the damn Vita.

 

[whiteninja]

I'm considering selling my ce now. Hate it when stuff gets removed.

 

[Ushojax]

Great news, it was a stupid feature and had no place in a Fire Emblem game.

 

[Fatal Futanari]

Thank god. People creaming their pants over Tharja nearly put me off the last game. It's super weird.

I'll still be over here creaming my pants fam, don't worry

Why is japanese devlopers allowed to get away with this? Is there no movement to stop this kind of creepy stuff from happening in their games. I would be worried if I was a gamer in japan

Because it is accepted there? Lmao

The less creepy shit, the better. This isn't the damn Vita.

What's hilarious is that the DS/3DS already has "creepy" games like this kek


Super lame that this got removed. Let me pet my waifu dammit!

 

[darkside31337]

I hope IntSys are taking notes.

Notes on what exactly? Folks who were boycotting the game before and are now going to buy this game just continue to set up the same exact cycle.

Just because the content isn't in the version of the game you're buying now doesn't mean it didn't exist. They'll continue to crank out the same "disgusting" content you hate in these games because theres a market for them and the other branches of Nintendo can cut out content and continue to sell those games because people will buy them anyway. You're supporting the stuff you claim to hate with your wallet now.

 

[Weebos]

Sooo, harmless optional content gets cut without anything in return and some people are screaming with joy?

Uh ok. Must live a careless life if this is stuff you get upset about.

Sooo, harmless optional content gets cut without anything in return and some people are screaming with rage?

The reverse is also true.

 

[aeolist]

What if some people wanted it? Why can't they get theirs too?

because not every piece of entertainment media can be all things to all people. every developer in the history of the medium has made choices about what their game is and isn't going to be.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Considering that the most common reaction is "Thank GOD" I assume that they listened to what their western fans wanted.

It's the more common reaction here, but definitely not around the internet. GAF has always been more fine with cut content than other places.

 

[Koyuga]

Do we really need a Fire Emblem dating sim?

Do some of you really want that? I know the genre is getting popular recently. Some of you are genuinely heartbroken by this.

That seemed to be the big draw of awakening, so I would say probably.

 

[sensui-tomo]

There's no incest because story contrivances.

Third route confirms a possible incest. Its very spoiler related so i'll leave it at that.

 

[Eolz]

i don't get this attitude at all

if it's shit then why not cut it? it's shit!

shitty parts get cut from games all of the time, you just don't hear about it because it's during development

Do yu get the difference between cutting content during development and cutting it way after the game has been released?

 

[Draxal]

So, it's going to be harder to raise relationship?

Barely harder, you had one rubbing opporutnity between battles, and the amount of support given by this was zilch.

 

[Tohsaka]

i don't get this attitude at all

if it's shit then why not cut it? it's shit!

shitty parts get cut from games all of the time, you just don't hear about it because it's during development

You're right, but this is content being cut that already exists in the actual, released product in the Japanese version. Of course people aren't going to complain about cut content they never knew existed.

 

[BatDan]

Friendly reminder that finding this stuff to be stupid and off putting doesn't mean you're offended by it.

Exactly.
I just thought the petting stuff was laughably stupid. Like "Really? Is this how you appeal to Otaku?"
Even if it was still in the localization, I would have bought Fates anyway. I like the series, and a dumb "petting" game wouldn't change anything. Especially if it sounds completely optional.

Frankly, all the overreaction to the tiniest bits of "censorship" is kind of childish. It doesn't effect the entire game or story.

If entire plot relevant scenes were removed, then yeah that's worth complaining about. Like in the German version of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.

 

[Ridley327]

Well,

Spoiler

Shara

is a girl and

Spoiler

Zero/Niles

is a guy, so they're the only same-sex marriage options in the game. I was just a bit worried.





This is good! Still looking forward to the game now.

Trust me, if they did remove those, this thread would be blowing up at light speed, and all the rage would be entirely justified.

Thankfully, same sex marriage options was something they confirmed to be in the western release months ago, so no one had anything to worry about on that front.

 

[GamerJM]

I don't really agree with this. To be clear I'm fine with all of the other localization changes made (I don't give a shit about "censorship," or whatever), and I see why this one was done as well and I'm not bent out of shape over it or anything, but I don't think that "petting," characters necessarily has to be seen as something sexual or perverted.

 

[Drop]

i don't get this attitude at all

if it's shit then why not cut it? it's shit!

shitty parts get cut from games all of the time, you just don't hear about it because it's during development

Who's definition of shit should we follow for this? What you think is shit might be, and in this case obviously is, meaningful content to someone else.

What I will never understand is wanting content you can completely avoid removed, all it does is take away something someone else would have liked without changing your experience one bit.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

because not every piece of entertainment media can be all things to all people. every developer in the history of the medium has made choices about what their game is and isn't going to be.

You could say the exact same thing to the people who don't want it. And since it was in the game to start with, those people probably shouldn't have precedent.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Super lame that this got removed. Let me pet my waifu dammit!

No

 

[-Horizon-]

I doubt people are going to drop $40-$80 on a game because they heard a optional feature they didn't like was cut.

Was being sarcastic

What the fuck? It's not porn. I thought it was funny. :/

touching someone's face is pretty much required M rating.

 

[Canon]

Nothing wrong with that unless children can see it. And if the characters are not underaged.

Children can obviously see it... They are not hidden. But I'm not saying it's wrong, I don't care at all. I'm just saying it is a different culture with different opinions.

 

[TriAceJP]

Do we really need a Fire Emblem dating sim?

Do some of you really want that? I know the genre is getting popular recently. Some of you are genuinely heartbroken by this.

You know Awakening came out years ago, right?

 

[Shinypogs]

Did they have extra lines, or are you just referring to the ooh's and aah's they make?

There is actual extra dialogue going on during these interactions. Quality varies but it's not all just throw away giggles and contented sighs. At the very least Nintendo do could have made it optional free dlc so people who don't care for it can avoid it and those who want it can still have it.

 

[Dimmle]

Stay classy, NOA! Personally, I'm more excited to play the game now.

 

[Producer]

Hopefully the fan translation gets cleaned up. I heard it was very rough.

 

[Professor Beef]

What if some people wanted it? Why can't they get theirs too? This is all pretty silly if you ask me. Removing some mini game where you pat your characters on the head for affection isn't going to stop Fire Emblem from being a juvenile anime game. The old school FE fans are still going to have the same problems with Fates.

You can still get yours. Learn Japanese and import the game.