Diprosalic
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72 is the main reason Gen 6 was a disappointment.
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RTTP: The Pokemon. All 721 of them, and counting.
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72 is the main reason Gen 6 was a disappointment.
TriggerShy
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The Technomancer
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Camp lynx
The neck fur sells me on it
If you count mega evolutions as part of the overall number i guess you can bump the number that way.
I'd still prefer more new pokemon to less though.
I used a Luxray as a key part of my team from beginning to end in Pokemon Diamond. As I said before, despite starting with Pokemon Red, Diamond was the first Pokemon game I actually beat, so Luxray is one of my all-time favorite Pokemon now. The Charge -> Spark combo is simple but fun to use.
But yeah, Luxray really deserved to be an Electric/Dark type. At this point, if they ever do make an Electric/Dark type, they are obligated to retroactively give the combo to Luxray. I'll take a Mega Luxray though.
But yeah, Luxray really deserved to be an Electric/Dark type. At this point, if they ever do make an Electric/Dark type, they are obligated to retroactively give the combo to Luxray. I'll take a Mega Luxray though.
The Technomancer
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They were 72 good designs by and large, which was fine by me. I rank VI above both IV and II because while it had the fewest new Pokemon what we did get was really good
TriggerShy
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From what I hear it is at least a massive step up from Unova, though I only watched a few episodes of Unova and didn't think they were bad, but it seems to be the general opinion that it was terrible. The main thing I was told, is that Ash is more of the mentor figure now and seems to be a natural product of his travels. So Ash is shown to be clearly experienced while still keeping his character traits without them being a nuisance. I fell out of the show too, but from what I hear it is worth a shot.
As someone who prefers to limit my teams to Pokemon introduced in their individual Generations, I agree, creating an all Kalos team for Pokemon X was rough.
I'm not someone who likes to use specific Pokemon over and over again(shit gets old real quick), I don't have favourites (weird I know, but I like to think that this is how I've managed to avoid having any nostalgic feelings about older Pokemon Generations), but what I do like to have in my team are specific types, and Kalos was severely lacking when it came to some of them(RIP Bug type), and yet certain types, you can probably guess which(*cough* Dragon *cough*), are severely over represented.
Hopefully Gen 7 follows the pattern of Gens 1,3 and 5 and adds at least 130 New Pokemon roster, because having to use old shit because of lack of options really sucks. Talking about old shit, did any else get taken aback with getting offered a Kanto starter near the beginning of X and Y? Since when did a new generation of starters have to share the spotlight, if not actually get overshadowed due to the Kanto starters getting megas, with old ones? That shit has never happened before, it was really fucking strange and honestly felt out of place.
pokemonsquared
Banned
6th gen went all in trying to capture the Genwunner crowd after Unova's fresh start approach drove people away from the series.
I'm not a fan of it either, but it obviously worked.
I'm not a fan of it either, but it obviously worked.
balladofwindfishes
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Gen 6 basically forced you to use old Pokemon because its major new feature was exclusive to only old Pokemon.
It was sort of like the anti fifth gen, in that the game was actively trying to get you to use old Pokemon.
There needs to be more of a balance, like B2/W2 or Gen III
It was sort of like the anti fifth gen, in that the game was actively trying to get you to use old Pokemon.
There needs to be more of a balance, like B2/W2 or Gen III
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
It was apparently Generation IV's "difficulty" that caused Game Freak to go more linear though---apparently Japanese kids got confused when it came to heading to the lakes for the Galaxy plot.
TriggerShy
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I'm like you in that I prefer to get in the habit of having a team that originated from that region. It's probably why I can't seriously hate a generation. Most of my Sinnoh team were native to the region and I loved the other evolutions of older Pokémon introduced I even used one as one of my main members, but if I had one complaint, it'd be that it felt like an "add-on" generation. Like it was mostly there to tie up loose ends, which is fine, but it makes the 100% unique non-legendary Pokémon stand out less.
Shinx is a fantastic design; it has a great color scheme, a unique star motif, and is super adorable. TwitchPlaysPokemon Platinum only further endeared me to it, and then I ended up getting it as my player character 'mon in Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky and was pretty satisfied with using it. One of my favorite Sinnoh designs for sure.
But as for its evolutions...meh. Luxio is nothing special, it's not ugly, and not "awkward middle stage", but still feels like it just exists as a waypoint between Shinx and Luxray. Luxray itself I actually don't dislike, but that learnset...
I used a Luxray in my first playthrough of Diamond and I was pretty happy with it early on, it put in a lot of work with Spark, but then it never learned anything better past that. Well except for Crunch, which made me realize just how Dark type-like Luxray looks. Seriously, why is Luxray not a Dark type? I want to like it, but you're making this hard for me Gamefreak.
So I'm just kind of so-so on Luxray. I don't dislike it, it has a cool design, but I would really like if it would just gain that Dark typing! I will accept a mega.
Were you thinking of Spark? Charge isn't an attacking move.
I'd put number of pokemon pretty low on the list of reasons gen 6 is a disappointment.
But as for its evolutions...meh. Luxio is nothing special, it's not ugly, and not "awkward middle stage", but still feels like it just exists as a waypoint between Shinx and Luxray. Luxray itself I actually don't dislike, but that learnset...
I used a Luxray in my first playthrough of Diamond and I was pretty happy with it early on, it put in a lot of work with Spark, but then it never learned anything better past that. Well except for Crunch, which made me realize just how Dark type-like Luxray looks. Seriously, why is Luxray not a Dark type? I want to like it, but you're making this hard for me Gamefreak.
So I'm just kind of so-so on Luxray. I don't dislike it, it has a cool design, but I would really like if it would just gain that Dark typing! I will accept a mega.
Were you thinking of Spark? Charge isn't an attacking move.
I'd put number of pokemon pretty low on the list of reasons gen 6 is a disappointment.
Luxray probably has one of the worst stat spreads for an evolved Electric-type, and it's something I don't say lightly. 120 Attack and barely and physical moves is one thing, but 70 Speed is straight up baffling. It would be so much better if you took that base 95 Special Attack and swapped it with Speed.
I don't usually get miffed about poor base stat spreads, but Luxray has one of my favorite designs and I loved using it in Pearl
I don't usually get miffed about poor base stat spreads, but Luxray has one of my favorite designs and I loved using it in Pearl
pokemonsquared
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That's really a shame too.
The Unova region had plenty of routes that I liked, but the overall region is so painfully linear, in BW1 you just went north one city at a time until you reached the elite four. BW2 was better about this but the region as a whole didn't feel as interconnected as Sinnoh or the land half of Hoenn.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Black and White is basically the Final Fantasy 13 of Pokemon, every route seems to be an encounter with a rival or Team Plasma with barely anytime to just explore leisurely.
balladofwindfishes
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I can't beat the Delta Chapter of OR because I keep getting lost looking for the meteor shard or whatever it's called.
So maybe those Japanese kids are onto something
So maybe those Japanese kids are onto something
I can't beat the Delta Chapter of OR because I keep getting lost looking for the meteor shard or whatever it's called.
So maybe those Japanese kids are onto something
That's probably because it's already in your bag.
balladofwindfishes
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But I need to go to the place with wild Solrick and Bagon, Meteor Falls or whatever. I've wandered through the entire cave and haven't found anything or anyone.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Just because a Pokemon is dark-furred doesn't mean they're dark types!
But anyway, that's not what's bothering me.
I like Luxray but its design... why does it look like it's showing its midriff?
also TeamLion
But anyway, that's not what's bothering me.
I like Luxray but its design... why does it look like it's showing its midriff?
also TeamLion
TriggerShy
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Dark Orchid
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To be fair, it was a very confusing region, but the path they took afterwards was not what they should have done. I'm playing Diamond now because of this thread and because I can withstand paint drying (kidding, it's not nearly as bad as I remember outside of slow battle speed and SURF WHY GOD) and there's a ton of stuff I missed when they first came out that were crucial for pacing but never explained.
Like, I have been to the Fuego Ironworks once before in my life and it was because that's where you could catch Magmar in Platinum. Nobody ingame ever mentions this place exists but it gives you two Fire Stones (for all of those Pokemon that evolve with them), Flamethrower, and some pretty necessary trainer EXP. There's so much stuff in Sinnoh that people just miss, because I think Game Freak intended you to explore the region but didn't really tell anybody.
By the time you get to Canalave and do absolutely everything you can without the last three HMs, you have a very good idea of how Sinnoh works and where everything is, sometimes even being able to remember "okay, the Oreburgh cave has a strength puzzle in front of an item that I couldn't get to, and I need to go back there when possible" or "that cliffside with the rocks sure looked like it had an item and grass up there". From what I can tell, this is how they intended the game to be played, but didn't understand that even non-linearity requires some guidance. Now, some NPCs may hint towards certain locations, but definitely not all of them, and definitely not obvious NPCs.
If they were to try this again in the future, I'd say:
-Make trainers talk about the locations that are out of the way. A Hiker could say "Have you heard that Oreburgh Gate has more caves underneath it? I'd like to visit them someday." around the time you get Surf. You know, instead of "HEY I WEAR SHORTS".
-If a location is far away from where the plot point happens before it, give the option to warp there like in OR/AS, even though I feel that option is a little cheap. The ideal way would be to have these places be in close proximity to one another, even if they aren't next in a straight line.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
oh right, I got some XY gifs
I've noticed in general Japanese games tend to be more linear than games from other nations. It might be the reason Metroid is so historically unpopular there.
That doesn't make Luxray look good at it. He just stands there like an idiot. Dat 70 base speed at work.
I just want it to be Dark type because it learns Crunch by level-up and Electric/Dark is a unique type combination.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
he's already tired, also it's not in the gif but even if he ran the blast took out all of the arena that it was pointless lol
he gains more weaknesses though
And more resistances and immunities, so I guess it kinda evens out.
Gaining Fighting and Fairy weaknesses for a Psychic (lol) immunity is not worth it. It doesn't even out at all.
Professor Beef
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I guess I can understand thinking Luxray is a lion if you've never seen an actual lion before.
And lol @ giving it a dark typing
And lol @ giving it a dark typing
You're right. Ghost and Dark aren't particularly common attacking types either.
I just really like more weird type combos. I'm probably the only person who enjoys Malamar having a shitty Psychic/Dark type combo.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's kimba lion. Lynxes also don't have mane.
It works out in Malamar though since he only has two weaknesses.
It works out in Malamar though since he only has two weaknesses.
Nocturnowl
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I feel the same way, while I was a bit disappointed by the lower number it's hard to complain when its such a solid batch.
Though I also do this and thus Kalos was the first gen which had me not achieve this goal which was kinda sucky.
Didn't help that my favourite three Kalos mon had some type overlap going on (Hawlucha, Pangoro and Malamar)
If luxray is supposed to be a lion then Pyroar makes it look like a filthy outcast from the pride.
For its benefit I'll stick with lynx.
Shinx was that one Pokémon that when I first saw him being leak in Corro Corro I was like "Yep that guy is going on my Pokémon team."
Yeah Luxray was slow, though giving him the quick claw help work around that problem and he was pretty bulky to take hits.
I also glad that he wasn't part dark as he wouldn't have joined my team as I wanted to use Weavile as well.
Same, the number also gets smaller when you take out the regional staple of the series, like the starters, regional bird/rodent/bug, regional fossil, regional Pikachu clone, regional pseudo-legendary, regional box mascot and event Pokémon.
Barring Charizard and Eevee, I also do the same and creating my Pokémon Y team was very difficult to do as I didn't want to use the new Electric type so it meant that I had to reuse Pikachu till I could catch Stunfisk a Pokémon that I really didn't want to use on my Y team as I wanted an all Kalos team.
And I pre-planed the Pokémon that might get used in my Z team, I will have pretty much used all the ones that I wanted to use, meaning my future generation team will likely not have any gen 6 Pokémon on the team.
Yeah that annoyed me as well as it meant that the Kalos starter just got shoved aside for gen 1 pandering.
They did the same with the first wild Pokémon you encounter as you will always run into a Pidgey on route 2 and then there's Santalune Forest aka Viridian Forest.
Yeah gen 6 felt like a wish check list of what Genwunner wanted in their ideal Pokémon game.
Yeah in their excitement that gen 6 was the first generation to go full 3D, they forgot that this was also a new generation so the new stuff should get a higher level of focus before the old stuff did.
They could have easily avoided this if they also had more cross gen evolution as they get counted as gen 6 Pokémon.
Now with Mega existing it makes me wonder if cross gen evolution will even return and if so how will they decide what Pokémon gets a new evolution and what get mega and if one that already have Mega get new evolution.
Yeah they are.
You need Waterfall and go up the waterfall to meet Steven.
So that explains why in the Hoenn remake why Granite Cave got designed or why Wally drags you from Petalburg City to Mauville City.
Game Freak should start adding a log book that players can refer to should they get lost, Gen 4 and the Kanto remake had something like this but instead of improving and refining it they just dropped it.
Yeah Luxray was slow, though giving him the quick claw help work around that problem and he was pretty bulky to take hits.
I also glad that he wasn't part dark as he wouldn't have joined my team as I wanted to use Weavile as well.
Same, the number also gets smaller when you take out the regional staple of the series, like the starters, regional bird/rodent/bug, regional fossil, regional Pikachu clone, regional pseudo-legendary, regional box mascot and event Pokémon.
Barring Charizard and Eevee, I also do the same and creating my Pokémon Y team was very difficult to do as I didn't want to use the new Electric type so it meant that I had to reuse Pikachu till I could catch Stunfisk a Pokémon that I really didn't want to use on my Y team as I wanted an all Kalos team.
And I pre-planed the Pokémon that might get used in my Z team, I will have pretty much used all the ones that I wanted to use, meaning my future generation team will likely not have any gen 6 Pokémon on the team.
Yeah that annoyed me as well as it meant that the Kalos starter just got shoved aside for gen 1 pandering.
They did the same with the first wild Pokémon you encounter as you will always run into a Pidgey on route 2 and then there's Santalune Forest aka Viridian Forest.
Yeah gen 6 felt like a wish check list of what Genwunner wanted in their ideal Pokémon game.
Yeah in their excitement that gen 6 was the first generation to go full 3D, they forgot that this was also a new generation so the new stuff should get a higher level of focus before the old stuff did.
They could have easily avoided this if they also had more cross gen evolution as they get counted as gen 6 Pokémon.
Now with Mega existing it makes me wonder if cross gen evolution will even return and if so how will they decide what Pokémon gets a new evolution and what get mega and if one that already have Mega get new evolution.
Yeah they are.
You need Waterfall and go up the waterfall to meet Steven.
So that explains why in the Hoenn remake why Granite Cave got designed or why Wally drags you from Petalburg City to Mauville City.
Game Freak should start adding a log book that players can refer to should they get lost, Gen 4 and the Kanto remake had something like this but instead of improving and refining it they just dropped it.
People had trouble making a full Kalos team in X/Y? Odd. I found that to be easy, and I even have one lined up for Z. I just need to decide between Dragalge/Malamar and Talonflame/Pyroar.
I do agree that they added too few though. Since I limit myself to Pokemon introduced in that region megas might as well not have existed until ORAS for me.
I do agree that they added too few though. Since I limit myself to Pokemon introduced in that region megas might as well not have existed until ORAS for me.
Gen 6 was quality over quantity. Every mon is well designed and looks ace, best gen with 3. The starters are among the best, the legendaries are the best, the fossils are the best, and it has noibat and noivern. Gen 7's gonna have trouble competing with it.
PlatypusDude
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I'm in the boat where I didn't really dig a lot of the new Gen VI Pokemon, but what do I know I thought Gen V's new Pokemon were among the best and I liked most if not all of the Gen IV evolutions.
I much prefer the B/W approach to 6th gen. Fuck having only that many new pokemon was terrible, there are many that look awful, and the region in itself was just ass. I played it a bit yesterday again just to do the whole mew event thing and realized that I didn't remember a single location in the region besides the big city but only because of how godawful traversing it was. Oh and I still hate megas and find most of them to be shit aesthetic wise.
On the subject of Luxray, I fucking love it's design. The fact that it isn't elec/dark is really odd even if it's not the best type combination. I used one in diamond but damn I wish it was better, it looks awesome but it's really lackluster in the end even in the games sadly.
This is exactly what I'd say about Gen V. Although Castelia wasn't a pain to traverse - it just wasn't worth visiting again after the first time, because there was absolutely nothing to do there.
At least Lumiose had lots of cool shops and restaurants to visit.
I actually had fun exploring unova, castelia wasn't one of the reasons though. Kalos was just dull. Every route felt incredibly small.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah my team in Gen VI are all originals and they fared well.