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The Black Culture Thread |OT13| Kimba is the New Blacked

Malyse

Member
As Bernie supporter... Shock I know... I'm not voting for Bernie because I think he can get those things done. I am voting for him because he comes from a strong point... these are our demands... and we want them. Then when negotiations occur we'll hopefully get something that we do want in there... instead of starting, at what I consider, a weak point with Hilary. Let's expand on ACA... Okay, what does that mean exactly? And really you're going into the negotiation room with that?

Also I mean who else is closer inline with what I want? My choice is Bernie who is left leaning (and I don't agree that we need Single Payer or on every issue with him.) But he's the only one saying anything substantial. If there were another Democratic or strong Independent out there actually putting forth other Liberal ideas and plans I would be voting for them probably.

Right now my choices as a Liberal are Hilary who wants to not rock the boat and just coast through the possible next 8 years... Or Bernie Sanders who is incredibly idealistic.

Think I'll stick with the idealistic one.
Sanders supporters seem to have a hard time understanding that criticizing Bernie and his supporters doesn't mean you automatically like Hillary.
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ApharmdX

Banned
I've said it before but Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump (and their fanbases by extension) are different sides of the same coin. Neither one has a realistic concept of what the fuck the president can actually do, neither one for fulfill a tenth of what they are saying they could, both fall apart when someone stops play softball and presses them, and I'm not convinced either actually cares about minorities. I think Bernie thinks he does care but is clueless and I think Trump legit gives no fucks whatsoever. Both of them have extremely vocal supporters that seem to take no small amount of pleasure in shouting down minority issues, though from different angles: Berniebros go with a covert "Marched with MLK" racism while Trumpers go with a "get out my country, build a wall, track the Muslims" overt racism. And both of them are legitimately charismatic, enough so that a good number of people can't see past the MASSIVE PROBLEMS each brings to the table.

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Bernie has been in the United States Congress for twenty years. I'm pretty sure he knows what the limitations of the president are...
 
We making shit up now? Is that what's hot in the streets?

I've said it before but Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump (and their fanbases by extension) are different sides of the same coin. Neither one has a realistic concept of what the fuck the president can actually do, neither one for fulfill a tenth of what they are saying they could, both fall apart when someone stops play softball and presses them, and I'm not convinced either actually cares about minorities. I think Bernie thinks he does care but is clueless and I think Trump legit gives no fucks whatsoever. Both of them have extremely vocal supporters that seem to take no small amount of pleasure in shouting down minority issues, though from different angles: Berniebros go with a covert "Marched with MLK" racism while Trumpers go with a "get out my country, build a wall, track the Muslims" overt racism. And both of them are legitimately charismatic, enough so that a good number of people can't see past the MASSIVE PROBLEMS each brings to the table.

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UltimaPooh said:
As Bernie supporter... Shock I know... I'm not voting for Bernie because I think he can get those things done. I am voting for him because he comes from a strong point... these are our demands... and we want them. Then when negotiations occur we'll hopefully get something that we do want in there... instead of starting, at what I consider, a weak point with Hilary. Let's expand on ACA... Okay, what does that mean exactly? And really you're going into the negotiation room with that?

Also I mean who else is closer inline with what I want? My choice is Bernie who is left leaning (and I don't agree that we need Single Payer or on every issue with him.) But he's the only one saying anything substantial. If there were another Democratic or strong Independent out there actually putting forth other Liberal ideas and plans I would be voting for them probably.

Right now my choices as a Liberal are Hilary who wants to not rock the boat and just coast through the possible next 8 years... Or Bernie Sanders who is incredibly idealistic.

Think I'll stick with the idealistic one.

I dunno. You tell me.
 

Kreed

Member
It just might be my ignorance on the subject.

But what other events has people coming up and taking the mic stand over? And they handled it in better ways?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/24/politics/obama-heckler-white-house-lgbt/index.html

There's two videos here in the time line currently. One is Obama that plays immediately, and the other is Hilary actually getting interrupted by BLM protestors and CNN discussing it. In both of these instances, Obama and Hilary take the interruptions and turns them into positives and make themselves look better.

Now in these examples, protestors didn't get to the stage and take over the mic from Obama and Hilary, BUT IMO, this should have never happened in the first place and shows a lapse in Bernie's security at the time. No one unauthorized should be able to get to the stage of someone at an event whether you're a presidential candidate or a performer if security is doing their job. Hell, BLM protestors couldn't even get on stage at a Kevin Hart event with the kind of security he comes in with.
 

Malyse

Member
I dunno. You tell me.

So is it that you can't parse the fact that a period indicates that end of that sentiment and what I say doesn't apply to the fans again until the sentence about their "vocal supporters" or that you don't recognize that the word one is a clear indicator that I'm specifically referring to the candidates and not their supporters with that particular statement?

Man, how many mental hoops did you jump through to get offended just now? You in training for the olympics later this year?
 
So is it that you can't parse the fact that a period indicates that end of that sentiment or that you don't recognize that the word one is a clear indicator that I'm specifically referring to the candidates and not their supporters with that particular statement?

I'll quote the specific part this time for you.

(and their fanbases by extension) are different sides of the same coin. Neither one has a realistic concept of what the fuck the president can actually do,

(and their fanbases by extension) are different sides of the same coin.

(and their fanbases by extension)

Specifically meaning... that by extension you feel the same about their supporters. Sorry if you didn't mean to put it that way, but you did.

Man, how many mental hoops did you jump through to get offended just now? You in training for the olympics later this year?

I'm not really offended. I thought I would just engage with discussion.
 

Malyse

Member
I'll quote the specific part this time for you.


Specifically meaning... that by extension you feel the same about their supporters. Sorry if you didn't mean to put it that way, but you did.



I'm not really offended. I thought I would just engage with discussion.

So yeah, I guess we making shit up.

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Speaking of being offended for no reason whatsoever, I'm upset about how many of the old characters got cut from Project X Zone 2. Like, they cut the main protagonists of the last game! That's ice cold. I mean, I get Kaguya and Haken being bounced: no one played Super Robot Wars OG Saga Endless Frontier and the west never even got Super Robot Wars OG Saga Endless Frontier EXCEED, but Kogoro and Mii were literally the protagonists of literally the last game. You know? Same title sans "2"? Plus no Valkyria Characters in spite of Sega finally reviving that franchise. And no original protagonists either.

Well, at least Sheath has a cute (read as smutty) design.
 

Malyse

Member
So Coates is voting for Sanders.


There are some fucking apologies to be had.

don't hold your breath. You'll die from oxygen deprivation.
Did you guys know this even existed? The Google Cultural Institute - https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/home

It is full of exhibits for BHM. Google does such a poor job in communicating their products/content. This content is REALLY outstanding.

My great grandma always said to not just look at someone, but look at the company they keep.

Bernie sticks with bad company.

Completely unrelated:

http://qz.com/609293/how-american-tipping-grew-out-of-racism/

Dropped both in the BHM thread.

Might do a proper write up of the tipping one.
 

harSon

Banned
As Bernie supporter... Shock I know... I'm not voting for Bernie because I think he can get those things done. I am voting for him because he comes from a strong point... these are our demands... and we want them. Then when negotiations occur we'll hopefully get something that we do want in there... instead of starting, at what I consider, a weak point with Hilary. Let's expand on ACA... Okay, what does that mean exactly? And really you're going into the negotiation room with that?

Also I mean who else is closer inline with what I want? My choice is Bernie who is left leaning (and I don't agree that we need Single Payer or on every issue with him.) But he's the only one saying anything substantial. If there were another Democratic or strong Independent out there actually putting forth other Liberal ideas and plans I would be voting for them probably.

Right now my choices as a Liberal are Hilary who wants to not rock the boat and just coast through the possible next 8 years... Or Bernie Sanders who is incredibly idealistic.

Think I'll stick with the idealistic one.

My issue is he's saying substantial things that are unsubstantiated. What I'd like to be accomplished, and what's realistically going to be accomplished are two different things. I could go up there and say I'm going to make it so that everyone working minimum wage is going to have a livable income - which is going to be $20+ an hour depending on where you live. How am I going to pay for that? I'm going to slash the defense budget considerably, close tax loop holes on corporations and make sure our millionaires/billionaires/corporations are paying their fair share. That's definitely a position I support, and it's legitimately possible from a financial standpoint, but is it realistically feasible?

I'm not going to give someone credit for selling me a utopia, when the backbone of their plan involves something as ridiculously arbitrary as a political revolution to shake up the political sphere.
 

Bubba T

Member
This Race for the White House is some of the most carny shit I've seen in awhile, and I watch the WWE.

You don't test people that you're trying to get to know like that, that's childish. You have a decent conversation and not overstep the decency of the conversation.

That's assuming the person you are dealing with is also rational. You've already have seen that people aren't rational beings.
 

Malyse

Member
My issue is he's saying substantial things that are unsubstantiated. What I'd like to be accomplished, and what's realistically going to be accomplished are two different things. I could go up there and say I'm going to make it so that everyone working minimum wage is going to have a livable income - which is going to be $20+ an hour depending on where you live. How am I going to pay for that? I'm going to slash the defense budget considerably, close tax loop holes on corporations and make sure our millionaires/billionaires/corporations are paying their fair share. That's definitely a position I support, and it's legitimately possible from a financial standpoint, but is it realistically feasible?

I'm not going to give someone credit for selling me a utopia, when the backbone of their plan involves something as ridiculously arbitrary as a political revolution to shake up the political sphere.

That's basically my whole point. I don't think he'll be able to remotely accomplish what he's saying needs to be done and I really don't appreciate being sold the pie in the sky rhetoric. I mean, theoretically, Trump could get Mexica to pay to built a wall between us and them. Doesn't make it realistic though. But thems politics.

Honestly, I'd rather elect Obama for a third term. Fuck that stupid amendment; everyone gets a turn is a concept that should be left in kindergarten. You don't take out your star quarterback in a tight match to let the untested rookie get some experience.

"A utopia" is a visually unsettling combination of words. There's no way to comfortably resolve it.

Better plan: let's just beat the fuck out of them. No prison, no trial, just beatings.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1182393
 

D i Z

Member
I'm not spending my morning listing links to shit that is easy to google. But if anyone is having a hard time finding evidence of online harassment by berniebro's then do a little reading about what is now being openly discussed now that white women are being targeted, and it's not just aimed at black women anymore. Bernie himself is having to address the issue, in that slow to react grandpa kind of way, as he seems to do these days with all things pertaining to race and gender and his campaign. Funny enough, it took another woman being on the stage with him, calling him out on what he was going to do about it before he ever addressed the problem. Again. It's a shame that when black women did it first, they get dismissed and discredited as being nothing but "race-baiters".


Also after gamer-gate I'm really surprised Bernie supporters on Neogaf of all places are dismissing the harassment people are receiving from the Bernie Bros.

I think we're looking at a situation with minor degrees of separation to be honest.
 
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