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Puyo Puyo |OT| The True Puzzle Fighter

Part 1: Origins
What is Puyo Puyo?

Puyo Puyo is a long running series of Match-4 puzzle games. This year, 2016, marks the series’ 25th anniversary, and in my opinion, it is SEGA’s most woefully ignored gem.
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Your goal in Puyo Puyo is to match four puyo/blobs/beans of the same color. When that happens, the puyo will pop, potentially cause a chain reaction, and dump an increasingly devastating amount of garbage on your opponent. It’s easier said than done though!

https://youtu.be/HE6P9UtJ4X0?t=84

The first Puyo Puyo game came out in 1991, but it was only released in Japan. If the graphics look familiar to you, it’s because the game was reskinned in America and Europe as Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine and Kirby’s Avalanche (Kirby’s Ghost Trap in Europe).


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As was the case for many classic game series, Puyo Puyo 1 and its western reskins didn’t nail the formula down on its first attempt. The sequel, Puyo Puyo 2 (also known as Tsu or Tsuu), introduced a counter mechanic that lets you defend yourself from garbage before it falls on you. This mechanic opened the door for tactics beyond pure offense and single-handedly revolutionized the strategy involved in the game. At one point, the game became the hypest shit in Japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbf-Z2IgnVY
Puyopuyo 2 3rd match grand final in 1997 Japan

Puyo tournaments are still regularly held on the big stage today. Currently, the most popular major for Puyo Puyo is the Red Bull 5G. Puyo Puyo has been one of the 5 games in their lineup for many years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgL1aT2sF0E

Compile Heart and SEGA have released many new Puyo games with increasingly convoluted gimmicks and gameplay mechanics in the years since 1991. But despite their best efforts, only Puyo Puyo 2 has stood the test of time, and it remains the tournament standard even after 23 years.

Unfortunately, very few Puyo games were released in the west, so many of us never got the chance to learn of the series’ brilliance. If you’d like to learn more about the game’s history, read the Introduction at Puyo Nexus. Hardcore Gaming 101 also has a comprehensive writeup about the many games in the series.
http://puyonexus.net/intro/
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/puyo/puyopuyo.htm

Part 2: Untold Puzzle Strategy
Unlike other popular VS puzzle games like Tetris and Puzzle League, the strategy involved in Puyo Puyo is logical and intuitive, yet deceptively complex and demanding. Really, no other puzzle game stands up to Puyo Puyo 2’s design purity.

Chaining
Let’s start off by talking about chaining. Like I mentioned before, your goal in Puyo Puyo is to match up 4 puyo of the same color. However, if you plan ahead and “stagger” the puyo in a specific way, you can make a chain reaction.

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It’s important to make chains with many links because each link increases the chain’s total power nearly exponentially. The longer your chain, the more garbage you’ll bury your opponent under, and the higher the chance victory will be yours.

Here’s a video that illustrates how strong your chains get from extra links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soKV4msu5C4

Because of the exponential rise in damage per puyo, learning to chain is critical if you want to swiftly defeat your opponent.

Countering
In Puyo Puyo 1, the best strategy was to attempt to 5 chain as quickly as possible, because a 5 chain dealt a full screen of damage. It’s the minimum amount you need for a fatal strike. Puyo Puyo 1 didn’t have a counter rule, so sometimes you’d have shitshow matches where the game could actually end in a tie. You have to mash the rotate button really, really fast, and hope your opponent’s piece locks before yours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHWDjwc4yF4

In Puyo Puyo 2, that nonsense is no more. By setting off your own chain, you can counter and reduce the amount of garbage about to fall on you. And most importantly, if your overall chain power was stronger than your opponent’s, the overflow will be sent back!
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With the introduction of a counter rule, Puyo Puyo 2 evolved into a complex competitive VS game that was decided completely by skill -- not by the number of fast-twitch fibers in your fingers.

Harassment and Reading
At this point you might be thinking, so what? Even with the counter rule, all you have to do in Puyo Puyo is make your biggest chain and overpower your opponent, right? At least, that’s how it seems like in theory. So how is Puyo Puyo any different from Tetris or Puzzle League, where all you do is crap out T-Spins and x13 Chains?

Well, if you’ve been paying attention, you might have noticed that both incoming garbage and your pieces come from the top of the screen. Therefore, incoming garbage can block off access to your puyo, if not outright kill you. In Puyo Puyo, building big chains is not enough. You have to defend your primary chain against quick attacks called harassments, and punish your opponent with precise and decisive harassment to gain the advantage.

Let me show you how those ideas would play out. First, you need to read your opponent to prepare for sneaky attacks. Otherwise, you’re going to experience some really shameful deaths.
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Instead of styling, Player 1 should have realized that Player 2 had nothing. Player 1 would’ve won if he had set off the chain instead of being greedy.

If your chain is safe, you should try gaining the advantage by attacking weaknesses in your opponent’s chain, like unfinished links or a blocked trigger. One way you can gain the advantage is to snipe your opponent with a well-timed attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cThFmCord8A
You have to be careful though. If you use up too much resources in your attack and your opponent was prepared for it, you won’t be able to fight back. Read your opponent properly, and weigh the risks!

You can also use harassment to trap your opponent. If you cover your opponent’s access to their chain, you can follow up with another attack to finish them off. Or, you could just keep attacking to keep the pressure on.
Player 2 tanks a hit, and counterattacks before Player 1 can recover
Player 1 gets hit by a surprise attack
Poke War

Finally, you can use harassments to force your opponent’s hand. If you attack your opponent and they don’t have any defenses ready, they only have three options:
  1. Accept death, if they got sniped at a really weak moment
  2. Tank the hit, and hope they can untrap themselves before you finish them off.
  3. Set off their primary chain and hope you can’t catch up.
If your opponent chooses #3, the match becomes a race against time. Incoming garbage will only drop on you once the chaining animation is over. Within that timeframe, you need to make a chain that’s even bigger! In the following video, Player 1 wasn’t expecting a 4 chain cut, so he was forced to set off his chain suboptimally. This gave Player 2 enough time to make a better chain.
https://youtu.be/vqUf6mLWIbc

A good player will be employing these strategies against you too. Watch some pro-level videos, and you’ll see how high-level this puzzle game can get.
https://www.youtube.com/user/gearfirst/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/nicoimporter
https://www.youtube.com/user/bayoenfr/videos

Impressive, right? There’s just so many things in Puyo that you don’t consider in puzzle games. How big is the opponent’s chain? Is the opponent feeling confident? If I attack them now, are they skilled enough to defend in time? How well is the opponent reading my attacks? If I my attack whiffs, will I get locked into a fatal position?

I hope you’re surprised by this complexity and are interested in learning to play. Underneath Puyo Puyo’s cute exterior is a brutal puzzle fighter with tough decisions and crazy mindgames.

Part 3: Learning Puyo Puyo
Learning Puyo Puyo isn’t easy. Players who have been playing since the beginning are still developing their technique and improving to this day. It also requires a lot of courage and willpower to withstand getting trampled while you’re still learning the ropes. The good news is that the basic concepts are easy to pick up, so anyone can become mid-level very rapidly. Once you get the basics down, you too will realize just how much there is learn, and that Puyo Puyo is the ultimate puzzle game.

I won’t get into much detail here since there are many resources already available. The following is presented approximately in order of complexity, from simplest to most complicated.

How to play Puyo Puyo - Lesson 1: Concept of making chains (video)
An old GAF post about how to chain
An offbeat guide that teaches using “transitions first”
S2PID’s Puyo Nexus wiki guide
List of Chaining Forms

Like in any other game, the quickest way to improve is to practice your chains in endless mode and then test your mettle against players online.

Part 4: Which Puyo Games Should I Get?
There used to be a lot of ways to play Puyo Puyo online, but SEGA has dropped the ball recently. Still, here are the most common ways to play.

Puyo Puyo VS 2
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Puyo Puyo VS 2 (PPVS2) is the most popular PC Puyo Puyo fangame. Ever since the official Puyo Puyo Fever and Puyo Puyo Tsu servers died, many top players have migrated to this platform.

Features:
  • Free, multiplatform (Available for Windows, OSX, Linux)
  • Rulesets: Tsu (competition), Fever, Endless Fever
  • 10 Player Online rooms (more than any official game). If your computer can handle it, you can even have a 999 Player offline match against CPUs.
  • Lots of mods. You can even make your own mods and animations! http://puyonexus.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1878
Download Link: http://puyovs.net/
Server: ds-net.jp
Western Puyo VS chatroom: #NeoGAF

Puyo Puyo!! 20th Anniversary 3DS

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An official game released back in 2011. Has loads of content, a pretty bang-up tutorial/lesson mode, and online multiplayer to boot. Its online is pretty active if you get on at the right time, but be prepared to get stomped by middle school girls with an unnatural lust for blood. You’ll have to import it and use a Japanese/Region Free 3DS. It was also released for the Wii/PSP/DS, but copies for those systems are difficult to come by these days (not to mention netplay for those SKUs are no longer functional).

Puyo Puyo Tetris PS4 / 3DS
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The latest Puyo Puyo game, with Tetris that isn’t utterly broken like Ubisoft’s Tetris Ultimate!!!!!!!!!!! Like, even if you’re some anomaly who still hates puyo, you should import this game to support SEGA instead of Ubisoft and their abomination to gaming.

Word of mouth says PS4 has the most active online. The PS4 version also includes all the DLC, extra skins, character voices, and all the other random things you might care about. If you care about playing online, definitely don’t waste your time with the XB1 version. I mean, it’s an XBOX game in Japan. Come on.

NeoGAF OT for the PS4 and XB1 versions: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=944530
Menu Translations: http://www.windowscentral.com/puyo-puyo-tetris-guide
Mission Requirements Translation: http://www.gamefaqs.com/xboxone/832015-puyo-puyo-tetris/faqs/70996

SEGA 3D Classics Collection - Puyo Puyo 2
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An upcoming rerelease of a bunch of retro SEGA games. Puyo Puyo 2 is included. The game itself isn’t translated, but it does come with a menu translation guide. Unfortunately, this game only has local multiplayer. But hey, beggers can’t be choosers :/

The game will be released on April 26, 2016.

3D Classics Collection OT: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1173746

Puyo Puyo Fever
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SEGA’s 2004 attempt at a new style of Puyo games, and the last mainline Puyo game to ever grace the west. This game came out for almost every console available in its generation: PC, OG Xbox, PS2, GBA, DS, Dreamcast, Gamecube… only the PC version has an online mode though. Sort of. The official servers are dead, but there’s an IP to IP version of the game floating around. It’s very buggy though. There’s no reason to play this over Puyo Puyo VS 2 unless you really like the seizure-inducing graphics and poor English voice acting.

Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai DX - Puyo Puyo 39 minigame
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The latest release of “Puyo Puyo” in the west. Kind of barebones. Tsu rules, local multiplayer only. But hey it’s vocaloid!!!

Part 5: Where can I find people to play with?
/r/puyopop has a discord chat set up. Invite link: https://discord.gg/0k41S8ARwvY2iTIQ.

There will usually be a PPVS2 chatroom on the ds-net.jp servers called “#NeoGAF”. You might be able to find some lurking players from Puyo Nexus who can help you learn to play Puyo.

If there’s interest in the game, we can try to organize some 10 Player party matches.

Part 6: Other Cool Stuff

Puyo Puyo!! Quest
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SEGA’s most wildly successful mobile game for iOS and Android. Unfortunately neutered in the west as Cranky Food Friends. If real puzzle games are too hard for you, you should give Puyo Quest a shot. It’s kind of like PAD, but instead you trigger Puyo chains to attack. Say goodbye to your wallet.

Puyo Puyo Weiss Schwarz
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A Puyo-themed expansion for the crossover anime TCG, Weiss Schwarz. You probably already play WS if you care about this.

Puyo Puyo!! Touch
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The latest Puyo Puyo mobile game. It plays sort of like Candy Crush or Bejeweled, except you match 4 to make Puyo chains instead.

Chain Incantations
Whenever the characters in Puyo Puyo attack each other, they shout out crazy, Engrishy gibberish. It sounds like nonsense, but if you can translate them they’re actually very interesting. There are many references to mythology, science, and other languages. The suspicious bear-like character simply says “I love you” in five different languages when he attacks. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
http://klugheit.kitunebi.com/voice_e.html

Puyo Puyo Tetris GiantBomb Quick Look
Thanks to Jeff and Dan at GiantBomb, Puyo Puyo has gotten a little more western interest than it’s had in a while. We can’t really have a NeoGAF puyo thread without mentioning them, so here’s their Quick Look if you haven’t seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XcLz7sUMXk

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Special thanks to Raikoh89 for a lot/most of the groundwork in the OP
 
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Fun fact: The characters from the original Puyo Puyo came from a first-person dungeon crawler series named Madou Monogatari
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Another fun fact: I sent the copy of Puyo Puyo Tetris to the GB offices, thrilled that it blew up like it did
 

Tizoc

Member
The one true eSports game.
Accept no alternative
I demand that SF5 be replaced by Puyo Puyo 2 for the final game of the event!
 

Nibiru

Banned
Really cool OP been playing Puyo games since Genesis. I imported Puyo Puyo Tetris for ps4 and there is so much value there it's crazy.
 

Eolz

Member
Wow, thought they announced a new game!
Great OT!
A shame they didn't localize Puyo Puyo Tetris. Will import the PS4 version as soon as there's a good deal on it. Tried the 3DS version, it was great.
 

Kouriozan

Member
Puyo Puyo, with Panel de Pon, are both my favorite puzzle games ever.
Japan is still getting Puyo Puyo(s) but Panel de Pon is probably dead :(
 
Really wish Sega would do something with Puyo Puyo in the west. If we can get Project Diva then we can get Puyo Puyo.

I played a lot of Fever on DS. I got my housemates to try it out on download play and they seemed to like it. If PS4 controllers weren't so expensive I'd buy Puyo Puyo Tetris to play with them.
 

xzeldax3

Member
Great write up! I never knew much about Puyo's history so this was pretty interesting. I really wanted Puyo Tetris to be localized :(
 

tanuki

Member
My wife and I play Puyo Puyo all the time. Just standard Puyo Puyo mode in Puyo Puyo Tetris. We're roughly the same skill level, so the game is perfect for us to play.
 

jman2050

Member
Tetris is dead, long live Puyo Puyo

Seriously though, I fell in love with this series two decades agao and it's been my go-to puzzle game since. I approve of this topic.
 
I really, really would like to learn Puyo. I've tried before, and can do better than a newcomer but I get so discouraged even trying to play through the arcade mode on Puyo Puyo 2. Anytime I play Puyo Puyo Tetris online I always get Tetris or else I have no chance for real.
 
Whoa, what timing.

I had a friend over last night, he was playing SNES games and I was reading Archie comics. Suddenly I hear a cartridge change and from the speakers "KIRBY'S AVALANCHE." I pretty much did a backflip from where I was and grabbed the second controller. At this point in the night I was halfway asleep and halfway drunk, but I still managed to setup a full-screen combo, taking him out, with many attack Puyos to spare.

He just looked at me and said "I'm not playing this with you."

Sore sport.
 

S2

Member
I really, really would like to learn Puyo. I've tried before, and can do better than a newcomer but I get so discouraged even trying to play through the arcade more on Puyo Puyo 2. Anytime I play Puyo Puyo Tetris online I always use Tetris or else I have zero chance.

Tetris is super nerfed in the PS4 version of Puyo Tetris so you should give Puyo another shot.
 
Tetris is super nerfed in the PS4 version of Puyo Tetris so you should give Puyo another shot.
I have the 3DS version - though I've played the demo version on Vita and want it so badly. Plays amazing on there. I think it's cross platform with PS4 (or PS3) but if Tetris is seriously nerfed on the Vita I might reconsider getting it.
 

S2

Member
I have the 3DS version - though I've played the demo version on Vita and want it so badly. Plays amazing on there. I think it's cross platform with PS4 (or PS3) but if Tetris is seriously nerfed on the Vita I might reconsider getting it.

Woah, you have the 3DS version? i've been struggling to find westerners with the 3ds version to play with lol.

I usually hang out on the discord chat if you want to play later.
 

Gunstar Ikari

Unconfirmed Member
Puyo Puyo didn't invent competitive puzzle games or puzzle games with significant aesthetic appeal, but it absolutely made them into huge things that other publishers tripped over themselves to copy. It's a damn shame that the series doesn't get the recognition that it deserves thanks to the few and far between international releases.

Sega is running a Puyo-related stream near the end of the month, so there might be news about a 25th Anniversary game there.
 
Cool thread, thanks OP.

An official game released back in 2011. Has loads of content, a pretty bang-up tutorial/lesson mode, and online multiplayer to boot. Its online is pretty active if you get on at the right time, but be prepared to get stomped by middle school girls with an unnatural lust for blood. You’ll have to import it and use a Japanese/Region Free 3DS. It was also released for the Wii/PSP/DS, but copies for those systems are difficult to come by these days (not to mention netplay for those SKUs are no longer functional).

The PSP games are available digitally. Too bad this didn't come up a few weeks ago. Puyo Puyo 7 and 20th Anniversary were on sale on the Japanese PSN store. Grabbed both of them. Works on Vita, as well, if you don't mind dealing with account swapping. PSP is easier once you get the damned things downloaded.

PSN Links. Right click > Open in incognito mode, if you don't have a JPN PSN account and are curious.
Puyo Puyo 7
Puyo Puyo!! 20th Anniversary
 

ShadiWulf

Member
Nice OP. Looking forward to Puyo Puyo Tsu in the upcoming 3D Classics Collection. Hopefully Puyo games start to get localized again since SEGA America is localizing games again.
 
Cool thread, thanks OP.



The PSP games are available digitally. Too bad this didn't come up a few weeks ago. Puyo Puyo 7 and 20th Anniversary were on sale on the Japanese PSN store. Grabbed both of them. Works on Vita, as well, if you don't mind dealing with account swapping. PSP is easier once you get the damned things downloaded.

PSN Links. Right click > Open in incognito mode, if you don't have a JPN PSN account and are curious.
Puyo Puyo 7
Puyo Puyo!! 20th Anniversary

Were, as in are no longer on sale?
 

5amshift

Banned
Grew up playing Puyo a lot and can say I was actually really good. Got my girlfriend playing and teaching her strategy a couple years ago. I know Japan will be promoting the fuck out of this throughout the year.
 
I seriously don't understand why we don't just have a straight-up Puyo game on mobile in the west. Seems like a no-brainer, but then again Sega has a habit of misplacing their gray matter lately
 
I seriously don't understand why we don't just have a straight-up Puyo game on mobile in the west. Seems like a no-brainer, but then again Sega has a habit of misplacing their gray matter lately

There was for quite a long time, but you'd never know it based on how it was advertised. Columns Deluxe for iOS actually contained both Columns and Puyo Puyo (using Tsu rules).

It was delisted last year along with a ton of other older Sega mobile games, though.
 

S2

Member
The people at Puyo Nexus are planning a 25th anniversary community event. There's cash prizes.

Feb 20/21: Casuals, puyo tutoring, Puyo Tetris 4 player stream
Feb 27: Beginners tournament. Participants get to bet on the winner of tomorrow's tournament.
- $20 prize raffle for a random participant.
Feb 28: Puyo Nexus Tournament #1 (2016) http://puyonexus.challonge.com/2016_1
- $20 prize for winner
- $20 prize for correct winner & closest score guess

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/6H5SHM6

Answer the survey if you're interested!!

EDIT: Thanks to a mysterious benefactor, there will now be an additional $20 prize raffle for just participating in the beginners tournament.
 

Het_Nkik

Member
Who owned the IP before Sega? I'm assuming they haven't always owned it since it got that SNES Kirby release.

And when did Sega buy it? How much did they pay for it?
 
Who owned the IP before Sega? I'm assuming they haven't always owned it since it got that SNES Kirby release.

And when did Sega buy it? How much did they pay for it?
Compile, then they went bankrupt and was absorbed by SEGA

Eventually some ex-staffers went and formed their own company, Compile Heart, whose greatest contributions to society are... *sweats*
 

Gunstar Ikari

Unconfirmed Member
Who owned the IP before Sega? I'm assuming they haven't always owned it since it got that SNES Kirby release.

And when did Sega buy it? How much did they pay for it?

Compile created the series. The series has always had a close relationship with Sega though. (All of the arcade games run on Sega hardware and Sega flat-out published the first arcade game and several Game Gear Puyo games.)

Compile lost it to Sega in 1998 during a last-ditch restructure but Sega let them keep making games until 2001, leading to the hilarity of a Sega-owned series appearing on the PSX and N64.
 

S2

Member
just had my first Puyo Puyo Tetris Match Online earlier.

Got Absolutely destroyed in like 20 seconds. I need to git gud.

wow that is fast, someone must be smurfing.

Are you playing Puyo or Tetris? And are you playing PS3/Vita/3DS or PS4? Puyo got buffed in the PS4/XB1 version, so Tetris is kinda hard to win consistently with unless you have an insane DPS.
 
Compile, then they went bankrupt and was absorbed by SEGA

Eventually some ex-staffers went and formed their own company, Compile Heart, whose greatest contributions to society are... *sweats*

Strangely enough, Compile still owns the Madou Monogatari license (RPG Puyo was based off). They even tried to sort of reboot the series, which got localized: Sorcery Saga: Curse of the Great Curry God.
The characters are sort of a bootleg of the Puyo characters (Girl and her pet thing, demon guy who wants to marry her, other girl jealous of main girl, knight who is mistakenly referred to as a pervert). It's really f'n weird.
 

Eolz

Member
Wow, looks like a super comfy room.
Didn't even know this existed, will try to watch a bit.
 

bobawesome

Member
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Fun fact: The characters from the original Puyo Puyo came from a first-person dungeon crawler series named Madou Monogatari
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Another fun fact: I sent the copy of Puyo Puyo Tetris to the GB offices, thrilled that it blew up like it did

That's pretty cool! A lot of people wouldn't have known about it otherwise.
 
I wish I could put more time into getting actually decent at Puyo, but between new games and University stuff its just not happening.

Awesome of you all for running these stream events though.
 
Curious if anyone else plays Puyo Quest Arcade...? Been messing around with it for about a year now and getting more and more into it. I imagine they don't have it at Round One or anything in the states, so it's probably JP only.
 
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