Wow, I guess this will make it the first time I've ever skipped out on a Nintendo console throughout its entire natural lifespan. I definitely want to play a lot of the games for it, but the Wii U always remained way too expensive for what it was, and it seemed doomed to failure from its reveal (it's really saying something that probably the majority of the people who were playing Wii in its heyday have no idea what the Wii U is. Nintendo fucked up hardcore on many fronts). If the NX doesn't play Wii U games, I could see myself picking up a used Wii U. I really want to play Mario Maker!
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Nikkei: Nintendo ceasing Wii U production at the end of the year
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I personally feel that if NX releases this year Nintendo will just have the same problem with the Wii U. I'd rather Nintendo take time to develop a strong number of launch titles and just unleash all hell in 2017. Launching the NX with 3 first party titles and a bunch of old bad ports isn't going to help Nintendo's situation. 3DS and Wii U had shit launches because of price and lack of system seller games. I say release in 2017 with a ton of first party and 3rd party support that way they don't have to directly compete with VR sets this holiday season.
Graphics Horse
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Funny thing is Sony might soon be selling a bundle for that price or more with their new second screen device.
Yeah I don't really see a re-release for Splatoon happening. Now that they know it's a hit I feel they will put a much larger effort into the sequel and ensure it's an even bigger success. A re-release of Splatoon so early on seems like too much. I can see it happening for Smash because I doubt they'd make another game from scratch next generation rather than expanding on what they have already.
The fact that Nintendo has basically nothing left for the Wii u leads me to believe they've been working on NX titles since before last e3.
Then you may want to pick up a Wii U. Given Nintendo's desire to unify console & handheld software development, the odds of the NX Console using PowerPC are slim. And while emulation is certainly an option, that would require a fair amount of power to make it work.
OrbitalBeard
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I honestly think some teams have been working on NX titles since early 2014.
Boy Wander
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I think Nintendo are in a hole no matter what they release as NX. And I say this as a fan of their output. If NX releases late 2016, Sony will be marketing the shit out of VR and it could well get lost in the mix.
IMO, Nintendo are suffering the fallout from the short sightedness of the Wii. When they should have been building out a competitive online infrastructure and OS, they were dicking around with the Wiimote. They are therefore seen as being behind the curve and hence irrelevant to a large proportion of today's youth. Hopefully the DeNa deal will fix some of this but it could be too little too late. If NX fails and their mobile ventures pull in money, they will be under huge pressure from investors to switch focus.
IMO, Nintendo are suffering the fallout from the short sightedness of the Wii. When they should have been building out a competitive online infrastructure and OS, they were dicking around with the Wiimote. They are therefore seen as being behind the curve and hence irrelevant to a large proportion of today's youth. Hopefully the DeNa deal will fix some of this but it could be too little too late. If NX fails and their mobile ventures pull in money, they will be under huge pressure from investors to switch focus.
SinCityAssassin
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Hell, the closest emulation right now requires a Wii U anyways.
They've been developing 3DS games too tho, don't forget that.
I think that's probably true. Paper Mario will be the last Wii U game announced from Nintendo and that probably started development in early 2014.
gigantor21
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At least you won't need a second job, since you can buy them separately.
OT: I can't say I'm surprised. Why some people thought the WiiU could last throughout 2017 is beyond me.
If you remember Super Paper Mario and GCN, there is no guarantee the game ever even releases on Wii U.
Hisashi Nogami, is the only member of the Animal Crossing team on Splatoon. Nogami manages the Animal Crossing team and the Splatoon team. Produces both franchises. But they are separate teams, you can compare the credits. Besides, again the large production staffs are shared among Nintendo teams. It's only the core teams that are exclusive to each project group.
Soo imagine the main Nintendo internal dev teams
The Mario Kart team
The Pikmin team
The Zelda 3D team
The Zelda 2D team
The Splatoon team
The Rhythm Tengoku team
The Tomodachi team
The 2D Mario team
The 3D Mario team
The Sports/Play/Land team
The WarioWare team (lol one guy)
They are all small core 3-5 man teams that develop the prototype, main mechanics, DLC elements. Then there is a larger production staff that shifts between them during heavy production periods usually 1-2 years before a commercial release. Well there are only soo many games that can be in the production phase at a time, even though all the small core teams exist.
We've seen Nintendo farm out the large production cycle sometimes (Platinum for Star Fox, Namco-Bandai for Wii Sports). More often than not though, those titles don't feel as good though.
Voysa Reezun
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Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker justifies the existence of the WiiU alone.
I got a sweet deal on a Nintendoland bundle at a Sears in Redmond, WA maybe twenty months ago? Something like that. I got it for $99.97, and so I got my worth out of it. I have only ever owned about six games at any one time for it, and I've probably played about nine games that sit in the Venn diagram sweet spot of "enjoyed it" and "haven't played it on another console."
I would suggest that people hang on and see if they can hit up a Target deal or BB deal when the clearance prices hit shortly before the NX comes to shelves. It's worth owning once you get back to the sub-$150 price range, I think.
I got a sweet deal on a Nintendoland bundle at a Sears in Redmond, WA maybe twenty months ago? Something like that. I got it for $99.97, and so I got my worth out of it. I have only ever owned about six games at any one time for it, and I've probably played about nine games that sit in the Venn diagram sweet spot of "enjoyed it" and "haven't played it on another console."
I would suggest that people hang on and see if they can hit up a Target deal or BB deal when the clearance prices hit shortly before the NX comes to shelves. It's worth owning once you get back to the sub-$150 price range, I think.
gigantor21
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The original Xbox ceased production in less time in Japan (2002-2005, IIRC).
Retro Studios and the team formerly known as EAD Tokyo I think.
Regardless of if Smash 5 is done from scratch or not & assuming that Sakurai's "extended vacation" is to be taken at face value, we may not get another Smash game for possibly 4-5 years (Sakurai may want to do a passion project, next). Doing a re-release of Smash 4 with all of the DLC included makes sense. I'd say that they should add an extra character or two to entice people to double (or triple) dip, but (Ice Climbers aside, even though we don't know how far along they were) that would require Sakurai to return, thus dipping to what he meant by "extended vacation".
I think that's unlikely. Nintendo has had the NX transition planned out for years now. If they wanted to announce it for NX they would have held it back until the NX reveal. There's no way they would announce the game for Wii U without being certain that that is where they want it.
Not sure, but xbox stopped pretty quickly and dreamcast even earlier.
This is where the supposed shared library of the NX Platform would come into play. If the console & handheld share each other's games, that would eliminate the need for Nintendo's internal & external devs to split their focus.
Also, Monolith Soft is considered an internal Nintendo studio.
You forgot nintendo dropped support of the Wii well ahead of the Wii u.There is still stuff to come until the end of the year. Dropping support isn't all that unusual as everyone else does it to focus resources on the new hardware to give it the best chance in the market. I was actually surprised by the titanfall and tomb raider ports when the 360 Is basically in legacy status.
Daniel Jackson
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What are these accessories that are already out of production?
I don't have a Wii U, but am still considering buying one when the price drops.
I don't have a Wii U, but am still considering buying one when the price drops.
Cool, I think I was player 2 on a wii remote. I'm going to boot it up tonight.
Since the Wii U price never helped it one bit, in retrospect if they had released a premium product like that it may have actuality been more successful. At the very least it would have had better third party support due to much better specs. Plus the Gamepad would have been better aesthetically and technically.
What solid can they really release this year to move consoles? Animal Crossing devs just wrapped up Splatoon so I can't see a new Animal Crossing anytime soon. If I recall correctly the producer for the Metroid series said that wasn't a new Prime in development outside of Federation Force. Smash just wrapped as well so that's not getting a new game anytime soon. Pokemon Sun & Moon was just announced for 3DS so that drops the idea of a new Pokemon game for the NX. A ton of other development studios Nintendo has probably won't have titles big enough to move push console sales.
Pikmin 4 was announced but I doubt that's gonna move consoles if that's for the NX. That Leaves us with maybe a port of a Zelda game originally intended for Wii U and possibly a Mario game. And Mario didn't help a lot to push Wii U initial sales either. Unless Nintendo has some amazing new series under their belt I don't know if they have anything that can blow people out the water this year with them competing against VR, Sony and Microsoft.
Edit: And if Retro is working on a new Donkey Kong title, there's that possibility but that's not going to move consoles despite how wonderful the actual product maybe. Mario Kart I could see moving a lot of consoles if released this year and even then would the team have a finished product by this year? Especially since Nintendo has never had a Mario Kart launch title.
Pancake Mix
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Paper Mario: Colour Splash, Zelda U/NX, and the Western release of #FE are still coming.
Oh, and Star Fox.
The GameCube got 5 years in NA and over 5 years in Japan. I think Nintendo will make that title cross-gen like TP and the new Zelda at worst if it's not exclusive this year.
White Pro controller I believe.
Oh, and Star Fox.
The GameCube got 5 years in NA and over 5 years in Japan. I think Nintendo will make that title cross-gen like TP and the new Zelda at worst if it's not exclusive this year.
White Pro controller I believe.
Well I was referring to internal Nintendo employees not Nintendo subsidiary company employees. Even with the possibility of advanced middleware, shared architecture - there is no denying that the next 3D Mario and 3D Zelda are going to use a considerable amount of staff! I mean all their sequels are going to require larger teams.
Hey, anything to share with us?
Like with Zelda U, Paper Mario: Color Splash was explicitly confirmed to be a Wii U release. But unlike Zelda U, Trev's source never mentioned that Paper Mario would be a cross-gen release. So like Pokémon Sun/Moon for the 3DS, Paper Mario: Color Splash will most likely remain exclusive to the Wii U.
We shall see. Imo its either going to be moved or be cross gen, if it does only release on Wii U then I believe Nintendo has little faith in the game being good. Not worth putting a sub par game on your new box.
And Super Paper Mario was explicitly confirmed to be a GCN title at E3 2006 for release in October of that year.
YuriLowell
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You mean the only system to have any decent first party titles?
LegendofLex
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Super Paper Mario was announced about eight months out from the Wii launch (March 2006), and given an October 2006 release date for GameCube about six months out from Wii launch (May-June 2006). The situation isn't really all that dissimilar.
I'm personally of the opinion that it won't be worth it to bother porting it to NX. It's gonna wreck the image of the new platform. I'm amazed it was greenlit at all.
I could see cross gen, but not NX only. To have just revealed it for Wii U and then do a bait and switch and say it's NX only would bring so much bad will.
NinjaCoachZ
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Again, Trev would have mentioned a cross-gen release for Color Splash if it was happening. And they wouldn't have announced the game during the March Direct had it been moved.
JPeeples83
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At 4 years, it would be about on par with the original Xbox.
OrbitalBeard
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Trev didn't even mention Paper Mario directly, just a code name. And his source wouldn't likely have all the information anyway. I don't think it's wise to take everything his source told him as unchanging truth.
Hero of Legend
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Not necessarily. It may not have been planned as one at that point, hell they may change gears and pull a Super Paper Mario like now for all we know.
LegendofLex
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Trev's leak didn't/couldn't even identify Color Splash, and it being announced in March doesn't preclude Nintendo from deciding to delay/move it later.
