~$250 million.
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Batman v Superman Friday Boxoffice Estimate: $82M
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~$250 million.
250.
Bobby Roberts
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You dont' need familiarity at all, though. You don't. You don't need to be familiar with a hero, and you don't need to explain the mysteries of superpowered people operating in a fictional setting. Again, Incredibles is a great example of this (Guardians and X-Men to a lesser extent).
This is the superhero, this is what they look like, this is what they can do. That can take less than 3 minutes.
The urgent need to explain concepts everyone in the audience is 100% familiar with is what's tripping a lot of people up. Fans included. They feel like somehow they're being cheated if they don't get to watch some semblance of an origin story, and that's fucking weird to me. Like, look at how people persist in thinking Civil War will be containing some aspect of Peter's origin as Spidey. They literally can't imagine his just showing up as Spidey. It's gotta be justified somehow, by Tony's making his "real" costume for him or somesuch.
Like, 9 movies into a film series with multiple spinoffs and people still feel like something as ubiquitous as Spider-Man needs to be explained to people.
It stunts pretty much everything.
And_Gignac
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Yeeessss. Hit them haters hard, GP.
CloudyTuba
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It had thousands and thousands of ratings before it was even released. Like bullshit amazon reviews, idiots rate things highly that they are excited for before they even see it. In the past few days that audience score has actually been going down, probably from people who have actually seen it.
Most of the more legitimate audience ratings seem to match the average critic rating, which is around 5/10. I hear 5 and 6 a lot.
I am assuming that Justice League Cameos being in BvS is not spoiler territory, since WB shouted it from the rooftops like 2 years ago.
That cameo scene for the least known member of the future Justice league in BvS? That wasn't far from being all you need to know about the origin of the character. Have a 5 minute pre-transformation scene in his solo film to set up his old life, have an extended version of what was in BvS as a credit montage, and move on. We don't need 2 hour origins for every character.
And_Gignac
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It had better openings than Star Wars in Latinamerica, but the strong dollar won't make it apparent.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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lmao
Can you imagine if neogaf was around when Batman '89 opened? The thread about the Joker being the one that killed Bruce's parents would be a complete dumpster fire.
Thpoilerth
Honest Trailers covered that recently
Batman 89 had:
- Controversial lead casting in Michael Keaton who looked nothing like comics Bruce Wayne and was best known as a comedic actor before
- Batman killing
- Black Harvey Dent
- Changed origin for Batman and the Joker
Pretty much everything that sets off fans today.
I remember a shit storm back them. Of course there was no social media back then, but I do remember vividly people where upset or didn't get it.
Raitosaito
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The CinemaScore is a B? So audiences like this even less than transformers movie.
Great job Snyder
Great job Snyder
Even if this movie breaks even or makes a profit (which seems likely)... is that going to be enough for WB, the studio?
Didn't WB basically have one long string of bombs in 2015? Besides American Sniper (released in 2014), WB's biggest 2015 movies were "San Andreas" ($155M domestic) and "Mad Max" ($153M domestic, but which also had a hefty price tag). Aside from that, no other WB movie cleared $100M domestically, and there were a lot of high-profile under-performers like Jupiter Ascending ($47M domestic), The Man from UNCLE ($45M domestic), and Pan ($35M domestic) - all of which had $100M+ price tags to begin with.
You can see WB's 2015 performance here:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?view=company&view2=calendar&yr=2015&timeframe=yty&sort=&order=&studio=warnerbros.htm
WB either has the most patient investors ever, or they were hanging their hopes that BvS would bring in megabucks and guarantee a new cashcow franchise of movies similar to Marvel (and WB's glory days of Harry Potter). I don't think this movie will have a problem turning a profit, especially given the merchandising / DVD, etc. coming down the line, but for a studio that I would assume was deeply in the red from last year, just "turning a profit" doesn't seem like enough... especially when there are future films hanging in the balance.
Didn't WB basically have one long string of bombs in 2015? Besides American Sniper (released in 2014), WB's biggest 2015 movies were "San Andreas" ($155M domestic) and "Mad Max" ($153M domestic, but which also had a hefty price tag). Aside from that, no other WB movie cleared $100M domestically, and there were a lot of high-profile under-performers like Jupiter Ascending ($47M domestic), The Man from UNCLE ($45M domestic), and Pan ($35M domestic) - all of which had $100M+ price tags to begin with.
You can see WB's 2015 performance here:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?view=company&view2=calendar&yr=2015&timeframe=yty&sort=&order=&studio=warnerbros.htm
WB either has the most patient investors ever, or they were hanging their hopes that BvS would bring in megabucks and guarantee a new cashcow franchise of movies similar to Marvel (and WB's glory days of Harry Potter). I don't think this movie will have a problem turning a profit, especially given the merchandising / DVD, etc. coming down the line, but for a studio that I would assume was deeply in the red from last year, just "turning a profit" doesn't seem like enough... especially when there are future films hanging in the balance.
AdventureRacing
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I agree with you there. That's not really what I meant by rushing though. I don't think all the characters in the justice league need an origin story. I just think they were introduced in a very haphazard manner that was detrimental to the overall product. I don't think it helped BvS as a movie and it achieved nothing in terms of the characters either. I just don't think it was necessary to have those cameos in there. Just introduce them when they're actually going to be in a movie whether it be a solo movie or a justice league movie.
Also I meant they rushed straight into doing a team up movie hoping it would lead to avengers like success. IMO a standalone batman film had the potential to do as well if not better than BvS. Then they could have continued to hopefully grow the MoS franchise whilst doing batman at the same time. The DC universe seems much more top heavy in terms of popularity which is why I wonder if trying to follow the marvel route having a heavy emphasis on team ups is necessarily the way to go.
Honestly, I've seen that same scene so many times now, and the most graphic depiction of their deaths was the show Gotham.
That is an encouraging international Friday.
The Force Awakens made $56.8M on its first Friday. Subtract the $20M from China, and BvS is still within $10M of that.
Three day gross is $130M for The Force vs $115M for BvS. Star Wars Managed ~$280M overseas that first weekend. It looks like BvS is heading for somewhere around $250M (granted $55M of that is China, which Star Wars lacked its first weekend). .
Bobby Roberts
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They dont' need it is what I'm saying.
This conventional wisdom is broken. You don't need to give superheroes room to establish themselves.
They've been established, firmly, for EIGHTY YEARS.
Just make a movie, and make it well.
A lot of this stems from the strange belief that liking superheroes is somehow complicated. Like it's a hard thing to do, and audiences need to have their hands held in order to dip their toes into this weird fictional world. But liking superheroes isn't hard, or complicated. Not at all.
Which is still pretty good when compared to Star Wars.
TheSlySoul
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Well Mr. Wayne only attacks in one version.
LOL...
I kinda agree with you. GOTG didn't need a origin story and Star Wars started with ep 4.
civilstrife
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Same with Bond. I'd say Bond is at its weakest when they try to allude to his origins.
ScatheZombie
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I agree with this as far as origin stories go and explaining characters and the world. But the real problem with BvS was needing to establish multiple characters motivations for an hour and a half. And that can be much better accomplished in stand-alone films. If the Wonder Woman film had released first, we'd already have an established WW character and know her motivations. BvS could have jumped right in with her just being there and the audience would have already been comfortable with it. If a stand-alone Batfleck film had released first, we'd already have an established new Batman and understand his motivations for disliking, even being afraid of, a Superman character. And then BvS wouldn't have had to spend 45 minutes driving that into our heads.
It's not just about explaining characters and the world and setting up an origin. It's about film pacing, which BvS suffers horribly from in the middle hour or so - and it suffers from that because the audience has never been told who the hell these new characters are (WW, Batman, Lex) or why they do the things they do or any of the other hints and cameos for other Justice League members, so naturally the movie creators feel obligated to do so - to the detriment of the entire film.
And that's where the Marvel films have done a much better job - even if the individual films are not as strong or successful - by slowly introducing new characters and establishing things in other movies so that when the big group film comes up, they don't need to take 15 minutes explaining why Captain America is a 90 year old that looks 30 and has a hard-on for 'freedom' or why Scarlett Johansson's boobs are considered a superpower or why Tony Stark, a billionaire playboy, decides to hook up with an adult version of Pippy Longstocking or why this Patrick-Swayze-Point-Break looking motherfucker even cares at all for our shitty planet when he basically rules paradise.
We already know the answers to all of these questions because they're firmly established in other movies. That allows Avengers to skip over all that setup and have it's own storyline - and have a much better paced and even film, regardless of its other faults.
Honestly, when I saw the Avengers I only saw the first Iron Man and I had no issues following what was going on. I mean these aren't overly complex character studies or anything, but I get what both of you are saying.
I'm seeing it tomorrow, but I assume the majority of the people aren't invested into SH movies as some people on here. They just want to be entertained for a couple of hours and watch a big budget spectacle. That's all I want going in.
Bobby Roberts
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And I'm saying that's not really a problem until you make it one. And if you can go out and make an Exiles movie right now with zero explanation, then why do you need to justify the existence of an Exiles movie in a preceding movie at all?
Studios and creatives are kneecapping themselves by treating these characters as if they need the backdoor pilot treatment when they don't.
Astral Dog
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mr. Snyder will be able to make all the DC movies now, after a few more most people will be missing the quality of Man of Steel.
Lights and Waves
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Glad to see the GP giving Batman a chance. I really loved this movie!
Or we get cash grabs like the origins of Han Solo. I mean do we really care? Honestly? Part of what makes him and Chewie so bad ass is because they just exist. I don't need to know a movie with their back story.
Frozenprince
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I mean to be fair, the belief that they'll shoehorn in Spidey's origin story is that they do it in every representation of him in a new media line. People can't imagine him just, being Spider-man, because he's never gotten to just be that before.
The words "Largest ever for ____ studio in China" are pretty worthless.
Nearly every year sees the largest ever studio openings broken.
BvS is now seeing what is standard superhero money. Good for Hollywood movies in general, but not remarkable. Expect Civil War to double BvS in China.
ScatheZombie
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And this is where I agree with Bobby, it doesn't need to be explained to the audience. But it's not just the audience who needs reassurances. Establishing characters (and their motivations) eases the studios and producers enough that the writers and directors aren't encouraged to shoe-horn in unnecessary explanations of every little detail, bogging the movie down and screwing with the pacing.
It's as much for the studio (and the writing staff) as it is for the audience. Because even if you haven't seen all the preceding movies, you have the option to. There's films you can go see that will explain this crap to you. If those films don't exist, you can't do that, and the studio is going to demand the writers/director slip in those explanations - if only as a setup for future films.
China is opening more and more screens every year, so expect it to go on like that.
Jawmuncher
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I doubt this ass a opening more than 200 million. 170-180 seems likely.
How was Star Wars not an origin story for Luke?
Obliterator
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Its hard to tell right now because everyone is all over the place. Like my Facebook feed absolutely hates it. I've seen no less than 10 or 12 people on my feed absolutely trashing it and only like 2 or 3 who like it.
I think its hard to tell what people think of it overall. My guess is its just a total mix
Lights and Waves
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Um, did you even read this thread? As of Saturday AM it's just shy of $200 million.
This is all anyone's been saying all along. The goalposts haven't budged.
Which WB will be happy with.
Bobby Roberts
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you're confusing domestic with worldwide.
He was talking about domestic. Where as of this morning it's at 82.
Stop being a " hater" Bobby.
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