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[kyser73]

Their old car doesn't get downgraded components or fuel, nor does it drive any differently on the road.

PS4 will get "significant" downgraded games.

If the suspension, engine & gear train are based on newer versions there will be a significant difference in driving experience & possibly even longevity of the vehicle.

What about the interior? The new model could have sat Nav & a minibar built in.

The best thing about your backfiring metaphor is that your first paragraph is true of the PS4 - it'll still play PS4 games, which will look and perform like PS4 games.

I'm taking the sacrifices comment to be relative to the PS4K output, rather than worse performance in comparison to existing PS4 titles.

 

[E92 M3]

Damn, this is cool. MS will definitely need to step up.

Sony is like BMW and doing an LCI model halfway through the cycle.

 

[GamerMax73]

Enough of the "but games will play the same as they do now" nonsense, in a couple of years third party developers will be targeting the PS4K and the PS4 will get horribly performing games optimised as quickly and as cheaply as they can get away with.

But by then the PS5 will be released and PS4 owners who've stuck it out on a gimped console can choose to either upgrade to a newer gimped console, the PS4K/PS4.5 or they can choose the full PS5 experience.

So I'm not sure what the problem is here. Everyone can still play all the games and upgrade when it suits them personally.

 

[thuway]

No, it´s ok to say this is a bad post though.

Whew ^_^

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

If the suspension, engine & gear train are based on newer versions there will be a significant difference in driving experience & possibly even longevity of the vehicle.

What about the interior? The new model could have sat Nav & a minibar built in.

The best thing about your backfiring metaphor is that your first paragraph is true of the PS4 - it'll still play PS4 games, which will look and perform like PS4 games.

I'm taking the sacrifices comment to be relative to the PS4K output, rather than worse performance in comparison to existing PS4 titles.

The road doesn't get changed for the newer car. The older car will still drive the same as it always did.

 

[Bgamer90]

I really don't care that I might be missing out on better graphics / experiences. I care that devs targeting the new console might not put as much effort into optimisation of the lesser console. Like PS4 vs Xbox games 1080p vs 720-900p and choppy framerates.

I don't get the comparison. The reason why ~95% of PS4 games are 1080p vs. ~50% on Xbox One is due to the specs of both consoles -- Not because of devs not putting much effort into the Xbox One. Heck, if anything, some devs put more work into Xbox One versions of games due to the system's lower specs. Nothing much will change in terms of PS4 vs. PS4K. Companies will focus on making games for both which shouldn't be very hard considering both consoles will have PC like architectures.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Are you the source for The Know ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1xmoz99tU

 

[P90]

I'm interested in a PS4k. I don't have a PS4, so the k model is a no-brainer for me.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Whatever, I'm done. I'm not poor but I like to get the most out of my money. Sony announcing a twice as powerful same generation console halfway into the life of the generation is just a kick in the bollocks to the early adopters.

If this was PS4 Slim then I wouldn't give a flying fuck.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

PS4 (and xb1 for that matter) has still not peaked imo. All you get is how weak the hardware is and number numbers numbers. Yes its weak.

But the result matters.

I look at Uncharted 4 and I cant believe these visuals. I dont know if there are people out there that look at Uncharted 4 and the only reaction the have is "meh" or "weak", but if there are, they dont make sense to me.

They wanted Uncharted 4 to run at 1080p/60fps, but could not accomplish it in single or multiplayer at the graphical fidelity they wanted. I would call that peaking.

*edit This not to say the game doesn't look great because it does.

 

[thuway]

sli, and there wont be a generational leap this is pure for 4k output.

Why in the blue hell would Sony ever take a gamble with something like SLI? The heat, inefficiency, cost, and massive headache introduced would be far too much to deal with. Plus if they ARE talking about an entirely new CPU, that means they are switching architectures to an all new APU.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Dunno, maybe those with PS4's, and those with PS4K's?

But they're not split. They'll play online games together. Same controller. Same store. Same game purchase. Same apps.

 

[TheSlySoul]

Now I know why Devs just sighed at GDC when asked about this thing.

The conflict is real.

Yeah, I can imagine.
I would sigh as well.

 

[kyser73]

The road doesn't get changed for the newer car. The older car will still drive the same as it always did.

So the old car won't be downgraded, even if the newer car is a significant upgrade? The experience will still be the same.

 

[thuway]

Whatever, I'm done. I'm not poor but I like to get the most out of my money. Sony announcing a twice as powerful same generation console halfway into the life of the generation is just a kick in the bollocks to the early adopters.

If this was PS4 Slim then I wouldn't give a flying fuck.

Play Uncharted 4, sell PS4, buy PS4K? Profit?

 

[Memnoch]

OMFG, this is megaton.

Goddamit, I need to save my bonus for this

Very exciting news. I'm totally in.

 

[Bgamer90]

Whatever, I'm done. I'm not poor but I like to get the most out of my money. Sony announcing a twice as powerful same generation console halfway into the life of the generation is just a kick in the bollocks to the early adopters.

If this was PS4 Slim then I wouldn't give a flying fuck.

Releasing a new model in late 2016/early 2017 with the same specs that weren't even high end back in 2013 just wouldn't make sense.

There are less "casuals" in the console gaming space now and technology is improving too much. I mean, if it weren't for the PS4K we would probably still see "the best of consoles" being some 900p games in 2019-2020.

 

[dragonyeuw]

All this strategy does for me is ensure I'll stick with PC from now on for my 'main' gaming source, and never buy the 'vanilla' version of a console going forward if this is going to become the new standard.

 

[KOHIPEET]

Why in the blue hell would Sony ever take a gamble with something like SLI? The heat, inefficiency, cost, and massive headache introduced would be far too much to deal with. Plus if they ARE talking about an entirely new CPU, that means they are switching architectures to an all new APU.

Exactly. Also, introducing an sli system would only needlessly complicate backwards compatibility. I'm more inclined to believe that this upgrade comes mainly from changing the manufacturing process to 14nm, maybe a few architectural modifications to improve efficiency. (aka polaris)

 

[Bgamer90]

All these strategy does for me is ensure I'll stick with PC from now on for my 'main' gaming source, and never buy the 'vanilla' version of a console going forward if this is going to become the new standard.

Every console can be considered "vanilla" under this new model though. PS4K could probably be seen as the "vanilla PS5" -- especially since I'm sure there will be many titles that will be on both the PS4/PS4K and the PS5.

 

[pompidu]

If they plan im going this route, I expect every game released for ps4 to work on ps4.5, ps5, ps5.5 etc...

If you try incremental upgrades, you better sure as fuck support old hardware. Games take years to come out, games will skip these gaps in hardware upgrades, and people will be pissed if they cannot play certain games.

 

[kyser73]

They wanted Uncharted 4 to run at 1080p/60fps, but could not accomplish it in single or multiplayer at the graphical fidelity they wanted. I would call that peaking.

*edit This not to say the game doesn't look great because it does.

Yeah, it's an amazing looking game, but how much more can devs even with the talent of ND squeeze out?

There are lots of titles pushing the console a long way in one or two directions, (TTC, UC 4 & Horizon) but the compromises seem to be coming earlier this gen - probably due to the familiarity of the architecture.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Yeah, I am probably in. Also, this isn't such a bad thing as many are saying. But holy shit, if they're releasing it this soon,

If they plan im going this route, I expect every game released for ps4 to work on ps4.5, ps5, ps5.5 etc...

If you try incremental upgrades, you better sure as fuck support old hardware. Games take years to come out, games will skip these gaps in hardware upgrades, and people will be pissed if they cannot play certain games.

To be honest, I expected this already due to the architecture. Not much will change when the PS5 comes out, just more power and less energy consumption.

 

[Bgamer90]

If you try incremental upgrades, you better sure as fuck support old hardware. Games take years to come out, games will skip these gaps in hardware upgrades, and people will be pissed.

Agree, hence why I'm on board with this as long as there's full/great compatibility instead of "Sega Segmentation".

 

[Jupiter_Shrooms]

After the recent NX fakeout, what are the chances that this is an elaborate hoax? April Fools is tomorrow...

Edit: Just remembered it's also been confirmed by many other reputable sources. It's late. I need sleep

 

[Markoman]

The road doesn't get changed for the newer car. The older car will still drive the same as it always did.

Yeah, and it may be ok to be married to Quasimodo's sister if she is the only woman on the planet. The moment Kate Upton enters your life, this will change.

I still can't get how it's so difficult for many posters in this thread to understand that others have a different opinion and feelings about this topic.

You can remind us how stupid we were if Sony succeds with this strategy.
If this turns out to be a shot in the foot for Sony though, we'll do the same.

 

[GHG]

The PS4 isn't a sequel to the PC though, it is a generational leap ahead of PS3....



If the OP is to be believed some games are going to be TARGETED for the PS4K and the PS4 will receive "SIGNIFICANT" downgraded versions.



That's not what the OP says. Flagship titles will be targeted at the PS4K and PS4 would have to receive downgraded versions, it wont be as simple as 60fps on PS4K and 30fps on PS4 with the same fidelity.

If they are targeting the PS4K then of course the PS4 versions are going to be downgraded in comparison. It goes without saying considering the specs on the PS4K will be better. It's logical.

What do you want them to do, send you some secret sauce via PSN to make you feel better?

 

[GlamFM]

After the recent NX fakeout, what are the chances that this is an elaborate hoax? April Fools is tomorrow...

0%

 

[valkyre]

How exactly is the community split?

this thread....

too much hyperbole.

Got to go.

So you think that PS community is just perfectly fine if we have PS4 and PS4K...

Nothing changes. At all.

It will be best if you go indeed.

 

[grapper]

I think it's great, I love technical progress. Must say I'm surprised though and at first a little hesitant since I was through the whole Sega debacle with Mega Drive/CD/32X. That didn't end well. I will also consider putting the money towards a new PC instead (and then spend all software money there), so they are definitely shaking things up. Very hard to predict the outcome of this. It's taking a risk for sure.

 

[pompidu]

Yeah, I am probably in. Also, this isn't such a bad thing as many are saying. But holy shit, if they're releasing it this soon,



To be honest, I expected this already due to the architecture. Not much will change when the PS5 comes out, just more power and less energy consumption.

Agree, hence why I'm on board with this as long as there's full/great compatibility instead of "Sega Segmentation".

We hope this is what they're doing, cause this will backfire very badly if it doesn't. If this is the direction they want to take, gods speed, cause this is easy to fuck up. One bad misstep and you blow all your good will.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

If they are targeting the PS4K then of course the PS4 versions are going to be downgraded in comparison. It goes without saying considering the specs on the PS4K will be better. It's logical.

What do you want them to do, send you some secret sauce via PSN to make you feel better?

Yeah, but people are fearing that they will get less optimized games or non effort ports like the PS3 did get with some games. But you will have to keep in my that nearly 40 million PS4's arw out there and you don't wanna fuck with that as a publisher.

 

[Moreche]

I really don't see the issue here.
You have two consoles with one being more expensive and more powerful.
Also two versions of a game, one at 1080p with higher AF&AA and better textures and one with a few effects downgraded.
It's a choice, what's wrong with that?

 

[RoadHazard]

Their old car doesn't get downgraded components or fuel, nor does it drive any differently on the road.

PS4 will get "significant" downgraded games.

Or you could view it as the PS4K getting upgraded versions of the games while the PS4 just keeps getting what it has been getting so far. Fine versions at 1080p30 or so with a mix of low/medium/high settings (i.e. they're already "downgraded"). While the PS4K might be getting the same thing but with high settings across the board.

This mainly applies to multiplats though, I suppose. With exclusives it's a bit different, although I don't really see why the same couldn't apply there. It's not like Uncharted 4 couldn't be made even more beautiful on stronger hardware.

 

[GlamFM]

So you think that PS community is just perfectly fine if we have PS4 and PS4K...

Nothing changes. At all.

It will be best if you go indeed.

They are playing the same fucking games.

What´s the big deal?

 

[gofreak]

I really don't care that I might be missing out on better graphics / experiences. I care that devs targeting the new console might not put as much effort into optimisation of the lesser console. Like PS4 vs Xbox games 1080p vs 720-900p and choppy framerates.

Putting aside that this can happen even without a more powerful option...

...As long as the new PS4 is a minority of the audience, I think owners of it will probably be more annoyed that devs aren't putting more effort into their versions!

A lot of this is going to be down to where the market and the audience steers things. For some time to come I could see most devs leaning on 'automatic' upgrades (framerate/iq) for the PS4K version of the game while focusing their time almost entirely on the core PS4 version.

We will see though. If the market rapidly adopts PS4K such that it becomes a major - or majority - part of the audience, there may be a greater risk of your fears coming true. But I'd guess that's an unlikely scenario, and if and when it does happen, you'd probably be 5 or 6 years past the original PS4 launch and looking for upgrades anyway.

 

[valkyre]

They wanted Uncharted 4 to run at 1080p/60fps, but could not accomplish it in single or multiplayer at the graphical fidelity they wanted. I would call that peaking.

*edit This not to say the game doesn't look great because it does.

And if they (with PS4K in mind) wanted to release Uncharted 4 in 60fps 4K resolution, they wouldnt be able to do it as well...

dont act as if PS4K is the epitome of power and that it will have no limits.

So, where does that lead us then? Do we put out a PS4.75 in 2 years just so they can make Uncharted 4 fidelity in 4K 60 fps?

PC sounds a lot better if that is the case they are going for.

 

[Corto]

So you think that PS community is just perfectly fine if we have PS4 and PS4K...

Nothing changes. At all.

It will be best if you go indeed.

The community won't be split in the sense of PS4 and PS4K will play the same games, use the same store, the same OS, the same overall user experience. The games will be more performant and/or better looking, so the split will be in the perceived performance of each sku.

 

[Bowler]

Whatever, I'm done. I'm not poor but I like to get the most out of my money. Sony announcing a twice as powerful same generation console halfway into the life of the generation is just a kick in the bollocks to the early adopters.

If this was PS4 Slim then I wouldn't give a flying fuck.

Continuing to discount the media aspect of 4k is on you. I for one will buy one just for the uhd bluray playback

 

[GlamFM]

And if they (with PS4K in mind) wanted to release Uncharted 4 in 60fps 4K resolution, they wouldnt be able to do it as well...

dont act as if PS4K is the epitome of power and that it will have no limits.

So, where does that lead us then? Do we put out a PS4.75 in 2 years just so they can make Uncharted 4 fidelity in 4K 60 fps?

PC sounds a lot better if that is the case they are going for.

Right, because that is the thing about PCs. They are fixed platforms that you never upgrade and all devs always target your GPU.

 

[valkyre]

They are playing the same fucking games.

What´s the big deal?

Yep. You should go. There is a reason why people choose a console and in large part it has to do with the notion: "i dont want to have the PC gaming treatment with hardware upgrades, different versions and port jobs."

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

The community won't be split in the sense of PS4 and PS4K will play the same games, use the same store, the same OS, the same overall user experience. The games will be more performant and/or better looking, so the split will be in the perceived performance of each sku.

Yeah, it's like saying the PC community is split because some folks play at low settings and other play at ultra settings. Of course the difference won't be this staggering but the idea is the same.

 

[3Dprinted]

If this is true as it seems to be, i have a pretty strong feeling that part of the plan was 'inspired' by the whole Remastered / Definitive / Complete edition saga that is going on since the launch of PS4.
People will definitely buy the PS4K sooner or later, that's what numbers apparently suggest... To them at least!
Also, if i remember correctly, it was recently reported by Kinda Funny that Shu, speaking about possible plans regarding PS5, answered with a big "IF", meaning that it's even possible they won't go that route in the future.

Spoiler

PS Machines

- that's were they are going if you ask me!
They could keep the costs really low compared to other manufacturers by iterating on the same base hardware, and every iteration will be perfectly compatible with previous software. The Network will finally be a unified market, and every old title in your library will work with every future iteration of the console.
I'm in.

 

[pixellated_man]

It's really not. If the PS4K takes off and gets a respectable amount of userbase third party developers are going to target the newer console and they wont have the time or money to put into optimising the PS4 downgraded version.

Just look at PS4 vs Xbox One, for the most part they run very similar architecture and devs can't even be bothered to have resolution parity and framerates again for the most part aren't as good on Xbox One. They target the PS4 and do the smallest amount of work they can get away with to get games running on Xbox One.

What do you think is going to happen to a PS4 vs PS4K if the performance really is twice as much.....

The reality is completely the opposite of what you're describing. The xbox one is commonly cited to be 30-40% weaker than ps4. Considering this, developers are doing a mighty fine job with their xbox one games. Or you could argue, developers are not utilising the ps4 to the best - a common assumption made by people in Df threads when an xbox one version of a game is really close to its ps4 counterpart.

Honestly, you should be more concerned about the PS4K getting 'gimped' versions of games (relative to its graphical capabilities) - similar to how pc games running on hardware many times more powerful than consoles hardly ever get the most optimised versions.

Some of you are really reaching, with your attempt to paint the situation as bleak as possible. Like I said earlier on, the xbox 1.5 is coming regardless of what Sony do. And you can bet top dollar it will be a lot more powerful than ps4. Those of you gnashing your teeth at the prospect of more powerful hardware mid gen will still have to face the same situation - developers will have another console sku more powerful than ps4 to target
That apparently means crappy unoptimised games on ps4...lol.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Also guys, I don't think this is Sony trying to get more money out of this generation (Well, obviously they want more money, but I guess this isn't the main reason why they're doing this). A big reason might be simply, that developers are unhappy. They have engines that can do magical things, but the hardware just can't support it and I can see this being frustrating as a developer.

 

[valkyre]

Right, because that is the thing about PCs. They are fixed platforms that you never upgrade and all devs always target your GPU.

Are you honestly trying to sound like you dont understand my point, or you really dont?

All I am saying is that if consoles go down the PC hardware upgrade part, then there is no reason for me (and others) to prefer a console over a PC... because I prefer upgrading superior hardware on a PC than upgrading a console. Ideal scenario for me is the types of consoles we had until now. This is the model i like. I dont have to care about hardware specs, better versions and whatnot. But if they change all that, then PC is a better deal.

 

[GHG]

Yeah, but people are fearing that they will get less optimized games or non effort ports like the PS3 did get with some games. But you will have to keep in my that nearly 40 million PS4's arw out there and you don't wanna fuck with that as a publisher.

The only difference between the two consoles is clockspeed according to the OP. They will not have to develop two different versions of the same game. These new consoles are also easier to develop for. It's not a PS3 vs Xbox 360 scenario.

 

[Beatrix]

God damnit Sony, just take my money.

But on a serious note if the old PS4 remains fully supported and this PS4k is just an upgraded version I don't see any issues. More power to them.

 

[GlamFM]

Yep. You should go. There is a reason why people choose a console and in large part it has to do with the notion: "i dont want to have the PC gaming treatment with hardware upgrades, different versions and port jobs."

The difference being that on PC new games sometimes wont run on your old hardware at all.


As long as you own a PS4 platform (PS4 OR PS4K) you are compatible.

I´ll go when I want to - cool?

Are you honestly trying to sound like you dont understand my point, or you really dont?

All I am saying is that if consoles go down the PC hardware upgrade part, then there is no reason for me (and others) to prefer a console over a PC... because I prefer upgrading superior hardware on a PC than upgrading a console.

I really don´t think you have a point. You´re just overreacting because this is the internet.

 

[Bgamer90]

Also guys, I don't think this is Sony trying to get more money out of this generation (Well, obviously they want more money, but I guess this isn't the main reason why they're doing this). A big reason might be simply, that developers are unhappy. They have engines that can do magical things, but the hardware just can't support it and I can see this being frustrating as a developer.

Yeah, I think this is very true.