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[GIANKRATOS]

Mjolnir can't be handled by anyone but Thor.

Spoiler

Kratos is Thor

No problem. Just cut the hand and leave it attached to the hammer, grab the hammer from the hand. So technically you're handling thor handling the hammer.

 

[m360]

Kratos is going to hack off Thor's hand and use it to lift Mjolnir.

Yeah, he pulls out the flesh and bone and uses Thors hand as a glove!

 

[Shmuppers]

I like the Kratos design, probably not final though.

 

[Arkeband]

It's funny how people dismiss Kratos because of his huge beard. It's almost like people had skipped playing Ghost of Sparta. SPOILERS:

Spoiler

Deimos was buried by Kratos and the Grave Digger.

I could see something Kratos travelling the world hidden in some kind of long robe. Hiding himself from all thee gods... as he tries to fix in the new world the errors of his past mistakes.

I thought the Grave Digger was

Spoiler

Zeus?

 

[Corto]

Yeah, he pulls out the flesh and bone and uses Thors hand as a glove!

Another idea. After Kratos crushes Thor, he then wears the entire body of Thor as a glove. Not even Odin suspects anything... until it's too late!

 

[Pai Pai Master]

No problem. Just cut the hand and leave it attached to the hammer, grab the hammer from the hand. So technically you're handling thor handling the hammer.

Worked for Red Hulk

 

[Alienous]

No, it's the opposite. Why is Kratos going to kill the Norse mythos? Why, because they will kinda sort of manipulate him, which he will take to be the WORST THING EVER, and kill them all. Because that's what ALWAYS happens. Anything else would be inexplicably out of character. The man is the most violent drama queen of all time.

Only a new character can take on the Norse mythology with an actual new mindset, new set of justifications. Even if they were to go with a similar story, family dying, they can explore that with a character that doesn't irrationally blame all his problems on others. That'd be something new.

I really think Kratos would be a more interesting protagonist than someone new. He lost everything, got revenge, made peace and for some reason takes on a new mythology. That seems much harder to retread old ground with compared to a new protagonist.

I mean, maybe they'll just have him decide he hates all gods. But maybe they'll have a cool story.

 

[BobTheFork]

I think people are not understanding that Kratos is an iconic character now amongst gamers. Why would Sony throw away an established character just because people complained? He's going to another mythology now and has to deal with their own problems and issues. That's good enough for me.

That would have been good enough for me a few games ago. Yeah it's great they are finally going to do something different with him after 6 games. I'm not sure I care anymore. I didn't love the last one, really wished it had been different and we are several years past that.

This leak reminded me that God of War and Kratos still existed.

 

[Veelk]

I really think Kratos would be a more interesting protagonist than someone new. He lost everything, got revenge, made peace and for some reason takes on a new mythology. That seems much harder to retread old ground with compared to a new protagonist.

I mean, maybe they'll just have him decide he hates all gods. But maybe they'll have a cool story.

I assure you, it's the easiest thing in the world to retread ground with old characters. With a new protagonist, you have to think of a new personality, new situation, new environment, new dynamics, etc. You need to think of progess with old characters, but a lot of the rest just falls back into place.

 

[GIANKRATOS]

Another idea. After Kratos crushes Thor, he then wears the entire body of Thor as a glove. Not even Odin suspects anything... until it's too late!

Lol.

On a serious note, maybe they can make this work if they give Thor some sort of magical glove that allow him to use the hammer so when Kratos "borrow" the glove form Thor now he can use it too.

 

[Romars202129]

No, it's the opposite. Why is Kratos going to kill the Norse mythos? Why, because they will kinda sort of manipulate him, which he will take to be the WORST THING EVER, and kill them all. Because that's what ALWAYS happens. Anything else would be inexplicably out of character. The man is the most violent drama queen of all time.

Only a new character can take on the Norse mythology with an actual new mindset, new set of justifications. Even if they were to go with a similar story, family dying, they can explore that with a character that doesn't irrationally blame all his problems on others. That'd be something new.

Him blaming his murder of his wife and child on Aries out of some desperate denial was really cool in the first game. Then the sequels happen and you realize, no we're never actually going to acknowledge that, we'll just pretend he's greek punisher and roll with it?

 

[DrunkDan]

Story wise, it'd make tons of sense to replace him. For one, His story was well done imo with 2. And I actually liked him up until then. Plus with a new mythology, his fanfiction gary stu nature steps itself up a notch in abrasiveness. And more than anything, Kratos would be fantastic as a villain. All great story reasons to not make him the hero.
As for marketing reasons, as the villain, they could still put him on the box and all over the trailers. Plus notable other series have attempted a main character switch without going up in flames.(suprisingly enough as first entries on a new console as well), DMC Metal Gear for instance. And their mains weren't reviled like Kratos is. The switches also didn't take, but that didn't stop mgs2 from being the best selling mgs ever.
Point is, it's certainly not suicide to switch him out.

I understand what you mean, but in some ways I feel like perhaps we have actually been playing as the villain? Especially in GOW3 for example. And as far as him being reviled, again this seems to be more focused on the general opinion here. I know it's all anecdotal for either side, but plenty of my pals are hoping for Kratos in the next one. I'm not sure that GAF is always a good indicator for the mainstream if I'm honest.

But I could certainly get on board with your suggestions myself, that type of thinking was what I was hoping for with Resistance 3 after the ending of the second one. I agree that it wouldn't be suicide to remove him but I think this game may have him as the central character then perhaps lead into something different for the next - perhaps set up a passing of the guard type thing?

 

[MegaSackman]

No, it's the opposite. Why is Kratos going to kill the Norse mythos? Why, because they will kinda sort of manipulate him, which he will take to be the WORST THING EVER, and kill them all. Because that's what ALWAYS happens. Anything else would be inexplicably out of character. The man is the most violent drama queen of all time.

Only a new character can take on the Norse mythology with an actual new mindset, new set of justifications. Even if they were to go with a similar story, family dying, they can explore that with a character that doesn't irrationally blame all his problems on others. That'd be something new.

That can still happen even if the character is named Kratos, you know.

 

[Loudninja]

Kratos could have been a prisoner of theirs for a long time.

 

[A-V-B]

It would be sad if the Norse gods were one-dimensional, though. Out of all the mythologies, the Norse gods were some of the most human. Imperfect, mortal... It'd be cool to get interesting characters out of them.

 

[GIANKRATOS]

No, it's the opposite. Why is Kratos going to kill the Norse mythos? Why, because they will kinda sort of manipulate him, which he will take to be the WORST THING EVER, and kill them all. Because that's what ALWAYS happens. Anything else would be inexplicably out of character. The man is the most violent drama queen of all time.

Only a new character can take on the Norse mythology with an actual new mindset, new set of justifications. Even if they were to go with a similar story, family dying, they can explore that with a character that doesn't irrationally blame all his problems on others. That'd be something new.

Irrationally? I guess it was all his fault when he was a kid and the gods kidnapped his beloved brother. Or when they transformed his mother in a monster, forcing him to kill her. Or when they tricked him into killing his own family. Or when they took advantage of him for 10 years and left him with his nightmares. Etc. He made a big mistake when he made an oath with ares, undeniably. But let's not act like it was all is fault for what happened to him.

 

[Dragon1893]

Irrationally? I guess it was all his fault when he was a kid and the gods kidnapped his beloved brother. Or when they transformed his mother in a monster, forcing him to kill her. Or when they tricked him into killing his own family. Or when they took advantage of him for 10 years and left him with his nightmares. Etc. He made a big mistake when he made an oath with ares, undeniably. But let's not act like it was all is fault for what happened to him.

You forgot the shit they pulled with his daughter at the end of CoO.
I get why some people don't like him but there's a lot of unfair and uninformed criticism.
I actually find his no BS attitude refreshing lol.

 

[Veelk]

Irrationally? I guess it was all his fault when he was a kid and the gods kidnapped his beloved brother. Or when they transformed his mother in a monster, forcing him to kill her. Or when they tricked him into killing his own family. Or when they took advantage of him for 10 years and left him with his nightmares. Etc. He made a big mistake when he made an oath with ares, undeniably. But let's not act like it was all is fault for what happened to him.

I don't really look at the psp games. But the bolded? Yeah, I totally blame him for that. Hell, I don't even consider him killing his family to him being tricked. Ares gave him an order, he was a slave, and expected to follow it. If Ares had told him explicitly to kill his wife and kid, he'd be under the same obligation to do so as he was with a generic "raze the village" command that happened to have his own wife in the village. That he had some stupid expectation that Ares gave a shit about him as a friend and wouldn't do something to make him miserable is his own presumption.

 

[Taker34]

I don't understand why is this forum doing this.

Alright that's kinda lame.

Yeah, I noticed that late last night. I saved one of the pages but sadly not the first one. Kinda BS; there was some good, valuable discussion in that thread.

This is like removing a negative review. Sure the game and footage of it is EAs property but not the opinions and our comments. I might do a thread about this issue when I have more information. That kind of censorship is a massive problem, especially now that it affects two very recent leaks and once more shows how absolutely ruthless some companies behave.

 

[A-V-B]

You forgot the shit they pulled with his daughter at the end of CoO.
I get why some people don't like him but there's a lot of unfair and uninformed criticism.
I actually find his no BS attitude refreshing lol.

There's a difference between having a no-BS attitude and causing the apocalypse just to have revenge.

 

[Servbot24]

Maybe (or surely) we will play more than Kratos: meaning we will play Kratos and another character (and maybe in coop too). The whole divided fans will be satisfied then.

Satisfied fans? On GAF? Not so fast! Dual-protagonist games suck.

 

[Loudninja]

Irrationally? I guess it was all his fault when he was a kid and the gods kidnapped his beloved brother. Or when they transformed his mother in a monster, forcing him to kill her. Or when they tricked him into killing his own family. Or when they took advantage of him for 10 years and left him with his nightmares. Etc. He made a big mistake when he made an oath with ares, undeniably. But let's not act like it was all is fault for what happened to him.

Yeah I dont get the why he not suppose to be angry here.

 

[Boombloxer]

If you're an average Gaffer, I've played twice or three times the games you have (sounds ridiculous but I've played a lot for a long time), and Kratos is still distilled poop. In fact, the fact I've been a hardcore gamer since well in the 80s lets me appreciate the fact that Kratos is worse than almost any AAA protag. Most of the worst ones just bland or slightly ridiculous. Kratos is like an annoying parody of the thing he tries to be, a 90s grimdark Spawn-age superhero stuffed into an otherwise amazing game series.

I'm not the average gaffer, and I guarantee your statement doesn't apply to me.
And you're still wrong.

Who the fuck is Kratos's brother and why should I care? Note, I haven't played the PSP games. If they can't successfuly communicate Kratos's motivations within 4 mainline games that's on Santa Monica. As it stands, Kratos is just a dumb, one-note killing machine with nothing else to him.

"Why should I play a game that can change my perceptions? Hogwash!"
The PSP games are in the Origins Collection, you didn't need a PSP.

But I like all of the protagonists you listed there, so why would I ask for them to be changed? You should look up the definition of 'double standard'.

Exactly. There are millions of people who like Kratos, so why should they change him?

Surprised you can see the keyboard to type with all those tickets on yourself.

Some people don't like Kratos. Many do.

Get over it.

And yourself.

This too.

Yeah this is what people on Gaf can't understand.
GoW would not even be the half the sales beast it is for Playstation if everyone hated Kratos like Gaf.

Can people not see beyond the Neogaf bubble and understand Kratos just jives for a lot in the mainstream (and some of us here lol)

Edit: I'm not against adding more depth, character development etc to him, but it's weird seeing so many people outright dismiss why SSM would even consider keeping him.

It's weird because the reasons are horseshit or completely subjective, so it doesn't really fly. The games sell millions and get high praise, so that's all that left--and that's including the mediocre Ascension.

Millions of games sold. Huge fanbase. His likeable, I like him.

Yep.

It's going to require some massive character work to get anyone to give a shit about "Kratos is mad again" after he handled his business over the last 3 games.

Without some reincarnation plotline or something, Greek Kratos makes no sense in Norselands, and Kratos is a stupid character

Also all the scifi norse shit they have here looks like MCU Asgard. I'm okay with this.

GOW3 spoilers

Spoiler

he already fucking died.

Not exactly. You should visit youtube and watch until the end.

Ninja Gaiden has played with multiple protagonists and it's fine
DMC had Nero and Vergil, both characters people were totally fine with playing instead of Dante.
People like good characters regardless of who is the face of the franchise. Kratos gets so much backlash because he sucks

Except the backlash is a tiny, tiny portion of people. dozensofus.gif

God of War outsells all of those titles, so it's not really a bunch of people saying he sucks, it's a vocal minority.

I don't really look at the psp games. But the bolded? Yeah, I totally blame him for that. Hell, I don't even consider him killing his family to him being tricked. Ares gave him an order, he was a slave, and expected to follow it. If Ares had told him explicitly to kill his wife and kid, he'd be under the same obligation to do so as he was with a generic "raze the village". That he had some stupid expectation that Ares gave a shit about him as a friend and wouldn't do something to make him miserable is his own presumption.

Not really, Ares did that to cut his ties--Kratos went and served the other gods after that. Since the Gods used mortals as proxies, that's on Ares for making a bad call.

 

[GIANKRATOS]

I don't really look at the psp games. But the bolded? Yeah, I totally blame him for that. Hell, I don't even consider him killing his family to him being tricked. Ares gave him an order, he was a slave, and expected to follow it. If Ares had told him explicitly to kill his wife and kid, he'd be under the same obligation to do so as he was with a generic "raze the village". That he had some stupid expectation that Ares gave a shit about him as a friend and wouldn't do something to make him miserable is his own presumption.

He would have been under the same obligation, sure. But would he have done it? Hell, no. That's why Ares had to trick him into doing so, so that he could have "the perfect warrior". I don't know what the consequences would have been for disobeing, probably death but Kratos was a pawn too important for Ares to lose.

You forgot the shit they pulled with his daughter at the end of CoO.
I get why some people don't like him but there's a lot of unfair and uninformed criticism.
I actually find his no BS attitude refreshing lol.

Yeah i forgot about that too.

 

[DJ Lushious]

I hope it's a Norse version of Kratos and not the exact character from previous games.

Like an alternate dimension or some shit.

Yeah, I'm rooting for this, too. It could allow more flexibility with the character and story.

 

[Veelk]

He would have been under the same obligation, sure. But would he have done it? Hell, no. That's why Ares had to trick him into doing so, so that he could have "the perfect warrior". I don't know what the consequences would have been for disobeing, probably death but Kratos was a pawn too important for Ares to lose.

Well, that would have been insubordination, and Kratos would have been punished for that, which he also would consider a betrayal as he did in GoW2 when Zeus punished him for his insubordination. There's no way that a higher authority can give him bad news without him taking it personally.

The problem is that Kratos constantly enters these agreements thinking there's some unspoken rule where he'd be treated like a special snowflake where he can ignore obligations if he doesn't like them, and if people take issue with that, then that's them being evil. This has been his most consistent characterization across the 3 main games, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case in the PSP games as well, which is why I feel him returning in GoW4 will be a retread. He's an imbecile that makes the same mistake over and over. I would rather have a new character that faces these same issues, but is not so stupid as to be perpetually unaware of their own involvement in fucking up their situation. That'd be a far newer experience than a new face for Kratos to rage at irrationally.

Ares did nothing wrong, by the Greek laws present in the game. He messed with Kratos' expectations to get him to do a thing that he wouldn't normally do, but that was not a betrayal, which is how Kratos frames it as. Ares job is to tell Kratos to do shit, and Kratos' job is to do it. This was their agreement. Having him murder his wife and kids is in no way a betrayal to Kratos unless he had some moronic assumption that he was something more than a tool to Ares. And that's Kratos' fuck up, not Ares.

I might have empathized with him being upset to be in that situation, but he has no right to blame anyone but himself for it, which he never does. It's always someone else's fault.

 

[DrunkShogun]

Yeah, I'm rooting for this, too. It could allow more flexibility with the character and story.

It's the only thing I'm hoping right now because it seems kratos is going to be in the game. Would love if it's just a boss design and kratos is just a boss.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Kratos is in, so I'm out. Total deal breaker.

 

[Itchy//Tasty]

Man, people are super hard on God of War. Love this series. Six great-ass games.

 

[Memento]

Man, people are super hard on God of War. Love this series. Six great-ass games.

It is probably one of the most consistent series ever. There is not a single bad God of War game.

 

[Walpurgis]

Wow at SSM for the beard. Such originality.

Then again, the God of War series has never been known for its originality. Pathetic.

 

[Conduit]

damn, was hoping for Egyptian over Norse.

The opposite. I like more Norse mythology than Egyptian.

 

[Corto]

Kratos is in, so I'm out. Total deal breaker.

The thread has God of War in the title. If you've played any game in the franchise you know who that is. It's not Kratos that you don't want. It's God of War.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Wow at SSM for the beard. Such originality.

Then again, the God of War series has never been known for its originality. Pathetic.

Wow another game with a beard! Fantastic detective work finding that buddy! Have a cookie sherlock.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Wow at SSM for the beard. Such originality.

Then again, the God of War series has never been known for its originality. Pathetic.

Its a beard.

Notsureifserious.meme

 

[The Silver]

The thread has God of War in the title. If you've played any game in the franchise you know who that is. It's not Kratos that you don't want. It's God of War.

We only played as the god of war for the 1st section of GoW 2 in the main games

 

[TimeEffect]

Are we SURE this is just not a new protagonist who has similarities to Kratos' design?

How does a Greek character cross into Norse myth? Are the two related?

I am *really* hoping the similarity is just for thematic purposes

 

[Alo0oy]

But I wanted Egyptian Goddess of War. A brown Egyptian female character would have been so much better than the boring Norse mythology.

The God of War games are really fun and I like the gigantic scale of all the games, but a female anti-hero is so rare that I can't help but be disappointed by this.

 

[Corpsepyre]

No problem. Just cut the hand and leave it attached to the hammer, grab the hammer from the hand. So technically you're handling thor handling the hammer.

Haha, shit. They need to do this. SSM, if you're reading, this idea is genius and you need to implement it. Pay what you have to to Giankratos, but this needs to happen.

 

[Luckydog]

But I wanted Egyptian Goddess of War. A brown Egyptian female character would have been so much better than the boring Norse mythology.

The God of War games are really fun and I like the gigantic scale of all the games, but a female anti-hero is so rare that I can't help but be disappointed by this.

This is actually an amazing idea. Give this man a contract!

 

[GIANKRATOS]

Well, that would have been insubordination, and Kratos would have been punished for that, which he also would consider a betrayal as he did in GoW2 when Zeus punished him for his insubordination. There's no way that a higher authority can give him bad news without him taking it personally.

The problem is that Kratos constantly enters these agreements thinking there's some unspoken rule where he'd be treated like a special snowflake where he can ignore obligations if he doesn't like them, and if people take issue with that, then that's them being evil. This has been his most consistent characterization across the 3 main games, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case in the PSP games as well, which is why I feel him returning in GoW4 will be a retread. He's an imbecile that makes the same mistake over and over. I would rather have a new character that faces these same issues, but is not so stupid as to be perpetually unaware of their own involvement in fucking up their situation. That'd be a far newer experience than a new face for Kratos to rage at irrationally.

Ares did nothing wrong, by the Greek laws present in the game. He messed with Kratos' expectations to get him to do a thing that he wouldn't normally do, but that was not a betrayal, which is how Kratos frames it as. Ares job is to tell Kratos to do shit, and Kratos' job is to do it. This was their agreement. Having him murder his wife and kids is in no way a betrayal to Kratos unless he had some moronic assumption that he was something more than a tool to Ares. And that's Kratos' fuck up, not Ares.

I might have empathized with him being upset to be in that situation, but he has no right to blame anyone but himself for it, which he never does. It's always someone else's fault.

He have all the rights to take these things personally, considering that these things affect him personally. It's not like because he have obligations towards the gods, that doesn't make what they've done to him less evil things. I'm of the idea that yes, except for the oath he made with ares, which is totally his choice and biggest mistake (like, it's not like he expected to be friend with ares or to have some special treatment or whatever, he just wanted to live... what would have i done if i was at his place? Probably the same thing), it's always the gods fault. I mean, it's possible that kratos became what he became because of what happened when he was a child, and that for sure wasn't his fault. But that's just my opinion.

Btw i recommend you to play at least Ghost Of Sparta, it's a great game, really.

Haha, shit. They need to do this. SSM, if you're reading, this idea is genius and you need to implement it. Pay what you have to to Giankratos, but this needs to happen.

Hire me SM, i have plenty of great ideas

 

[Already Torn]

Reading some of the early responses in this thread is great now that it's real.

I just wonder if it's really Kratos or not.

Also, I think the whole "Mjolnir can only be wielded by Thor" thing is from Marvel comics, probably lifted from King Arthur.

 

[Kralamoonard]

Wow at SSM for the beard. Such originality.

Then again, the God of War series has never been known for its originality. Pathetic.

I hope this is a joke post

 

[RoboPlato]

I hope Kratos gets a big ass, ornate axe and not just the hatchet. Better yet, make it two.

 

[Ricky_R]

Well, that would have been insubordination, and Kratos would have been punished for that, which he also would consider a betrayal as he did in GoW2 when Zeus punished him for his insubordination. There's no way that a higher authority can give him bad news without him taking it personally.

The problem is that Kratos constantly enters these agreements thinking there's some unspoken rule where he'd be treated like a special snowflake where he can ignore obligations if he doesn't like them, and if people take issue with that, then that's them being evil. This has been his most consistent characterization across the 3 main games, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case in the PSP games as well, which is why I feel him returning in GoW4 will be a retread. He's an imbecile that makes the same mistake over and over. I would rather have a new character that faces these same issues, but is not so stupid as to be perpetually unaware of their own involvement in fucking up their situation. That'd be a far newer experience than a new face for Kratos to rage at irrationally.

Ares did nothing wrong, by the Greek laws present in the game. He messed with Kratos' expectations to get him to do a thing that he wouldn't normally do, but that was not a betrayal, which is how Kratos frames it as. Ares job is to tell Kratos to do shit, and Kratos' job is to do it. This was their agreement. Having him murder his wife and kids is in no way a betrayal to Kratos unless he had some moronic assumption that he was something more than a tool to Ares. And that's Kratos' fuck up, not Ares.

I might have empathized with him being upset to be in that situation, but he has no right to blame anyone but himself for it, which he never does. It's always someone else's fault.

I think you're over analizing this. The dude was tricked into killing his family without him knowing.

I mean, sure, he was supposed to follow orders, and he was at Ares's mercy by choice, but I'm sure it didn't cross his mind that he would end up being tricked into murdering his family.

His hate towards Ares was definitely justified.

 

[Veelk]

He have all the rights to take these things personally, considering that these things affect him personally. It's not like because he have obligations towards the gods, that doesn't make what they've done to him less evil things. I'm of the idea that yes, except for the oath he made with ares, wich his totally his choice and biggest mistake, it's always the gods fault. I mean, it's possible that kratos became what he became because of what happened when he was a child, and that for sure wasn't his fault. But that's just my opinion.

Btw i recommend you to play at least Ghost Of Sparta, it's a great game, really.

No, he doesn't. Your definition doesn't really follow here. Everything that happens to us affects us "personally" because that's what we are. People. By that definition, there isn't a way of interacting that can't be personal. Even now, I'm affecting your person by giving you a message to read, which you'll likely affect my person by giving me a message. But you wouldn't call this conversation personal because I'm just trying to make my argument. I have nothing against you, or even your disagreement with me, I'm simply making my own case, and you happen to be opposed to it, which gives me points to counter in support of my case.

Taking something personally means that you believe an action is specifically designed to diminish you as a person, typically unfairly. But what Ares did wasn't unfair. He didn't exploit any loophole in their agreement, because there wasn't one present. Kratos literally dedicated his life to Ares. Sold his soul, complete and wholesale, with no prompting or trickery from Ares. This isn't a modern day business contract where people are entitled to human rights and slavery is illegal, and Kratos is certainly not someone who would objects to such things, not as long as they're applied to him anyway. So he can't plead that Ares being the cause of his family's death is evil and deserving of punishment when that's what he did before, during, and after he worked for Ares without argument, unless he thinks he's just somehow exempt from those standards.

Kratos' objection to Ares isn't "It is wrong to kill people" it's "It's wrong to kill MY people", when that's not something that anyone ever agreed to. He takes it personally, but personal would be him going out of his way to spite Kratos, and that's not what happened. Kratos agreed to be Ares' resource. When Ares wants to optimize his resources, he's just managing his business, and he has a right to do so by the Greek laws presented in the game. Saying that Ares personally did him wrong is like any boss making you do something you don't want to do is wrong just by virtue that you don't want to do it. Not how it works. It's your job to do X, and as long as the boss is abiding by contractual agreements, you are obligated to pull your end.

Kratos gave Ares a blank check, and is crying betrayal when Ares actually decides to cash it. What happened may be horrific, but Kratos' reaction to it is nothing short of immature whining of a mental infant that doesn't realize he isn't the center of the universe.

And sure, you can say that what Ares did is still pretty horrible, and you'd be right. Having family members die, that sucks. But Kratos calls it a betrayal, and not only is that an inaccurate term for it, it gives us a look into his values. His morality is one of the most myopic in gaming. Something is good or bad only to the extent that it affects him. A character like this is going to have the most predictable reactions to any situation that he's put in, which is why, bringing us back to the topic, he is a terrible choice for yet another game. People are worried that it'll be a retread? Unless they significantly alter his character, it will be. Because there is nothing more repetitive than a squalling infant, which is what Kratos is mentally.

I think you're over analizing this. The dude was tricked into killing his family without him knowing.

I mean, sure, he was supposed to follow orders, and he was at Ares's mercy by choice, but I'm sure it didn't cross his mind that he would end up being tricked into murdering his family.

His hate towards Ares was definitely justified.

People are underanalyzing this. I know all this. The question is: How is Ares at fault here? By the rules Kratos himself agreed to, what right does he have to not to be ordered into murdering his own family? It's not like he comes to any kind of epiphany that murdering people is wrong.

His sadness at having his family die is justified. His anger at Ares is misdirected. Ares just followed through on a deal that he offered. He should be angry at himself. You don't ask people to play a game, then get angry at them for beating you. You don't say "Hey, I'll give you complete access to my bank account with no rules" and then get mad that all your money is taken. The other person may be the most evil dude in the world, but when it's you who gave the opportunity to exploit you to them on a golden platter, that's not them doing wrong by you in any way.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

I have been absent for like 12 hrs.

What did I miss? Kratos is in?

Edit: KRATOS!!! YES!!!

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

People are underanalyzing this. I know all this. The question is: How is Ares at fault here? By the rules Kratos himself agreed to, what right does he have to not to be ordered into murdering his own family? It's not like he comes to any kind of epiphany that murdering people is wrong.

His sadness at having his family die is justified. His anger at Ares is misdirected. Ares just followed through on a deal that he offered. He should be angry at himself.

Greek mythology often follows little to no logic in regards to the consequence of actions committed by characters.

 

[Yurikerr]

All this latest posts and people still say that God of War is a game without substance with a shallow character. =]

 

[Already Torn]

Greek mythology often follows little to no logic in regards to the consequence of actions committed by characters.

That's why I love God of War. It always seemed like an over the top joke about how crass Greek mythology is.

I have been absent for like 12 hrs.

What did I miss? Kratos is in?

Edit: KRATOS!!! YES!!!

No, you're wrong. Everyone is mad that Kratos is in because nobody likes Kratos.