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Of Gods and Men [Mafia] | Ambrosia In Front Of Me

Kyanrute

Member
!!!

So Seath received god-killing instructions on N1. Oceanic on N2. I'm assuming that the two gods are Kola and Pepsi and are aligned with town and scum respectively. It follows that Town needs a way to kill Pepsi and Scum needs a way to kill Kola. So the instructions would have been sent to one follower of Kome and one follower of Pep.

I think either Seath or OA is scum. I'm going to re-read both and give a more informed opinion on who it could be later.

Feng too had a dream, that's three persons for three parts of a spell. Still, it would make sense if there was at least one scum among them and your OA vs. Seath idea ain't wrong per se, if you consider feng town.

The only way I can see us using the god-slaying spell is that all dreamers tell their commands and we kill them. If they all flip town, we can use the commands. So I am not seeing how the commands are anything but a distraction at this point, especially if all we need to kill are the followers of Pepsi, and not Pepsi themselves.
 
!!!

So Seath received god-killing instructions on N1. Oceanic on N2. I'm assuming that the two gods are Kola and Pepsi and are aligned with town and scum respectively. It follows that Town needs a way to kill Pepsi and Scum needs a way to kill Kola. So the instructions would have been sent to one follower of Kome and one follower of Pep.

I think either Seath or OA is scum. I'm going to re-read both and give a more informed opinion on who it could be later.



Hahaha, I don't know why but they way you announced this made me laugh XD

So Zipped and Sophia are confirmed. Feng is also pretty close in my eyes. So out of a pool of 10 players, at least 4 are scum. With a little reasoning and logic I'm confident that we will be able to lynch scum today.

This is a very dangerous assumption to make, would they really just alternate like that? I'd rather believe that RNG decided this as opposed to deliberately giving it to mafia and town on alternate nights. Seems like an easy way to lynch two potential town members because you could be like "if one isn't surely the other is!" Investigate, fine. But lynch somebody because they seem scummy.
 
Just a second Seath, you are aware of the lightning rod right? That's why nobody died last night. It would be far more concerning if someone died in his place. Also, he didn't die yesterday because the actual, multi-shot doctor is dead. Why on earth would they attack gorlak? I really don't get your reasoning and you seem to have kept up with the thread.
 
Why your suspicious? You didn't talk about lp in D2.
I wasn't the only one. I just skimmed, so could be wrong, but Feng or Kyan didn't mention LP either. Yet you only added me to your scum list after I questioned you. If Feng or Kyan didn't mention LP, why aren't they on your scum list like me and Sophia?

Why should I roleblock? I had to decide between two powers. Vig-shot seemed more powerful for catching scum last night.
Why wouldn't you try to roleblock? You had already stated the risk of a switcher, so roleblock wouldve been the safe bet. Oh yea, I forgot, you weren't "convinced" there was a switcher.(You were 1 of around 2 ppl who mentioned a switcher) So you decided to shoot anyway. And what do you know? You blamed the 2nd kill on a switcher. Which we still have no real proof of and still don't. Just your word, which you have lied several times about.

Also how would the shot be better at catching scum than a roleblock? If you roleblock and there is no kill we can entertain the idea of you blocking a potential killer. Also since there wouldve most likely been another watcher command list, so that person wouldve been able to confirm your roleblock ability. My guess is you don't even have the roleblock ability and was forced to use the kill command last night.

If you use a power and somebody else than your intended target is affected by it, what would be your conclusion? The worst case happened obviously.
Or you could be using a fake switcher to cover up someone you may have killed? You would have to claim the kill regardless since you couldn't NOT claim it and have someone list the commands again, listing your martyrize command. Also before you came clean with the vig shot stuff and possibly before you knew there was a watcher you admitted to planning not to claim the kill until half the day phase was over.

Feng too had a dream, that's three persons for three parts of a spell. Still, it would make sense if there was at least one scum among them and your OA vs. Seath idea ain't wrong per se, if you consider feng town.

The only way I can see us using the god-slaying spell is that all dreamers tell their commands and we kill them. If they all flip town, we can use the commands. So I am not seeing how the commands are anything but a distraction at this point, especially if all we need to kill are the followers of Pepsi, and not Pepsi themselves.
Feng dream wasnt related to banishing a god it seems. Also would make no sense to kill ppl with dreams.
 

Kyanrute

Member
Feng dream wasnt related to banishing a god it seems. Also would make no sense to kill ppl with dreams.

Oh that is true actually, I missed that. feng, can you clarify what was your dream about then? Did you get a piece of the spell or anything that could be interpreted as such?
 
Just a second Seath, you are aware of the lightning rod right? That's why nobody died last night. It would be far more concerning if someone died in his place. Also, he didn't die yesterday because the actual, multi-shot doctor is dead. Why on earth would they attack gorlak? I really don't get your reasoning and you seem to have kept up with the thread.

Because he threatened a vig shot? Gorlak made a comment that went somehting like "Opps, scum didn't believe my bluff about me using my vig shot, so they switched targets. That is why LP isn't dead."

How would they guess you would use Vig shot and not roleblock?
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Also, something isn't adding up with Seath's dream thing. They can't be from the gods since why would the gods have anything to do with giving orders on how to kill them? So maybe they are from a player? If so, why werent they affected by the LR things on N1?
 
Don't quote this.

SUMMARY OF EVENTS

Day 1
StarSketch (The Chosen One) is lynched: Neutral god-killer survivor

Day 1 final vote count.

Night 1
Seath (?) receives a PM with god-killing instructions.
Gorlak (Priestess?) casts "Holy Ward" (protection) on himself.
CrimsonFist (Rhapsode) casts "Protect" (protection) on ?.
Darryl (Dreamweaver) casts "Invite" on OceanicAir and Swamped. This action FAILS due to the lightning rod.
Fengshuifever (?) casts "Activate", a lightning rod.
? casts "Targets" on ?
? casts "Absorb" on ?
Mafia casts "Kill" on ?. This action FAILS due to the lightning rod redirecting protection.
Zippedpinhead (?) receives a PM telling him to obey (by casting View on Sophia). He casts "View" on Sophia and receives a list of 7 actions:
  1. Invite (confirmed from Darryl)
  2. Targets (redirect, switch, tracker?)
  3. Protect (confirmed from CrimsonFist)
  4. Holy Ward (unconfirmed from Gorlak)
  5. Kill (from mafia)
  6. Absorb (?)
  7. View (his own ability)
These actions were all redirected due to the lightning rod.

Day 2
God dictates: Komena (Eagerness, double lynch) Perisperos (Inactivity, 10 post limit)

Fengshuifever receives a PM of a dream (judging by this post, this happened during Day 2). This message is unrelated to god-killing.

flatearthpandas (Heretic) is lynched: One-shot anti-dictate action
Darryl (Dreamweaver) is lynched: Gossip chef

Day 2 final vote count.

Night 2
OceanicAir (?) receives a PM with god-killing instructions.
Gorlak (Priestess?) casts "Martyrize" (kill) on Lone_Prodigy. This action either fails or is redirected.
CrimsonFist (Rhapsode) casts "Protect" (protection) on ?.
? casts "Targets" on ?
? casts "Absorb" on ?
Mafia casts "Kill" on Freakenchair or CrimsonFist.
Zippedpinhead (?) receives no PM about obedience. He casts "View" on *Splinter and receives one result: his own action.

CrimsonFist (Rhapsode) is killed: Doctor
Freakenchair (Ordinary Villager) is killed: Vanilla

Day 3
God dictates: Komena (Intuition, town receives another's town alignment) and Perispheros (Blindness, Night 3 actions are ninja)

Zippedpinhead receives a PM informing him that Sophia is aligned with town.

Players and roles
1. [m] Lone_Prodigy
4. [m] EzekelRAGE
7. [m] Giant Panda
9. [f] Sophia - claimed passive roleblocker
10. [m] Zippedpinhead - claimed action detector
11. [m] OceanicAir
12. [f] Swamped
13. [m] Gorlak - claimed JOAT: one-shot vig (used), protect (used), roleblock
14. [m] Kyanrute
15. [f] WhereAreMahDragonz
16. [-] Seath
17- [m] fengshuifever - claimed one-shot lightning rod
18. [m] *Splinter

Unclaimed roles
  • Absorber
  • Targeter
  • Komena
  • Perisperos
 
One thing I noticed:

Day 2, Zipped says he knows Sophia is 100% town, likely due to the obedience factor.
Day 3, Zipped is the randomly chosen follower who receives a town alignment for a randomly chosen follower, which just so happens to be Sophia.

Coincidence, right?
 
One thing I noticed:

Day 2, Zipped says he knows Sophia is 100% town, likely due to the obedience factor.
Day 3, Zipped is the randomly chosen follower who receives a town alignment for a randomly chosen follower, which just so happens to be Sophia.

Coincidence, right?

I literally responded with a "was this really RNG"? Apparently first time through RNG it gave a scum result so then they rolled again and got me
 

Sophia

Member
I literally responded with a "was this really RNG"? Apparently first time through RNG it gave a scum result so then they rolled again and got me

Wait, it gave scum results and they rolled again...? That sounds like there was more than just a simple command.... Anything else in there that would indicate the poster?
 

Sophia

Member
FYI I'll be at the hospital for much of the afternoon. We're taking my grandmother down there. I will have my tablet, however, so I will still be reading and posting as long as I have battery life. I apologize ahead of time for any errors.

Right now for me I'm leaning towards a Seath vote, but I'm open to hearing more arguments. Seath has been bothering me the entire game, and it all feels off. He doesn't seem like he's making particularly strong arguments for anyone either.

Splinter, and Lone Prodigy are on the table for me too. I don't know if I want to vote Gorlak off or not.

Related, but I do find it curious nobody has claimed the remaining two commands. I'm also slightly curious as to the priority of the view command in relation to the lightning rod.
 

Kevyt

Member
^^

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Sorry for the inactivity, had a busy few days. I'm switching to mid shift so I've been trying to get my sleep schedule to work with it. Anywho.

I've read the thread a bit and I don't really have any strong reads at the moment. Getting weird vibes from Seath as per usual, LP continues to be on my radar, Gor not using his RB and instead using a vig shot is....just...why? I don't get it, but I'd like to hear his response to Zeke's questions anyway.

Sorry this is a really shitty post when all this discussion is happening, but it's back to bed and then to work for me. ;_;
 
Why would they care?

If I'm a scum switcher/redirecter, and I see Gorlak with two unused night actions, I'm getting him to target Crimson, a possible PR.

Worst case, Gorlak sits on his hands and nothing happens to Crimson.
Worse case, he roleblocks Crimson.
Best case, he kills Crimson.

This leaves the killer to take out someone they think may be a PR; in this case, Chair.

In case you were wondering, this is why I think Crimson was the redirected kill, not Chair. It's entirely possible it was the other way around, though.
 

Sophia

Member
Why would they redirect Gorlak to kill Crimson? Especially if there's a chance that he'd not kill him? That doesn't make any sense; they had pretty good reason to suspect that Crimson was the doctor...
 
Why would they care?
Why would they take the chance of Gorlak not even using his power? Town outnumbers scum so most likely if he did use it he would hit town.

If I'm a scum switcher/redirecter, and I see Gorlak with two unused night actions, I'm getting him to target Crimson, a possible PR.

Worst case, Gorlak sits on his hands and nothing happens to Crimson.
Worse case, he roleblocks Crimson.
Best case, he kills Crimson.

This leaves the killer to take out someone they think may be a PR; in this case, Chair.

In case you were wondering, this is why I think Crimson was the redirected kill, not Chair. It's entirely possible it was the other way around, though.

Why would they redirect Gorlak to kill Crimson? Especially if there's a chance that he'd not kill him? That doesn't make any sense; they had pretty good reason to suspect that Crimson was the doctor...
Yea, why would they even risk switching Gorlak *if there was switcher* when they couldve easily just switched zipped and CF or something lke that.

Why are we so sure there is a switcher at all?
 

Gorlak

Banned
I wasn't the only one. I just skimmed, so could be wrong, but Feng or Kyan didn't mention LP either. Yet you only added me to your scum list after I questioned you. If Feng or Kyan didn't mention LP, why aren't they on your scum list like me and Sophia?

Feng is town in my opinion. I've stated my opinion and talked about Kyan over the course of the whole game, I did not yet check if he mentioned LP. Now you just find me suspicious because I try to play mafia here, this is getting ridiculous.

Why wouldn't you try to roleblock?

BECAUSE I HAD THE POWER TO DECIDE OVER LIFE AND DEATH OF A PERSON. ROLEBLOCK IS FUCKING BORING. AFTER THE BORING N1 I WANTED TO USE THE VIG POWER.
If you give a townie a vig-power they will almost always use it (that's somewhere written on the wiki mafiascum) You yourself said "why didn't you shoot n1?" I've explained why I didn't, now it was time to shoot someone who was viewed as suspicious, but didn't get lynched while two townies were lynched.

Also how would the shot be better at catching scum than a roleblock? If you roleblock and there is no kill we can entertain the idea of you blocking a potential killer. Also since there wouldve most likely been another watcher command list, so that person wouldve been able to confirm your roleblock ability. My guess is you don't even have the roleblock ability and was forced to use the kill command last night.

Where do you get the bolded idea from? Why would their be another command list today?

And how in the world would anyone "confirm" my roleblock command when nobody saw my vig-shot command tonight? The difference between RB and Vig is if succesful we would have a flip on lp vs. the possibility of no kill night. I wanted to do the job properly (Nägel mit Köpfen machen ~ is a german idiom, that describes it best) - and failed obviously.
 
BECAUSE I HAD THE POWER TO DECIDE OVER LIFE AND DEATH OF A PERSON. ROLEBLOCK IS FUCKING BORING. AFTER THE BORING N1 I WANTED TO USE THE VIG POWER.
If you give a townie a vig-power they will almost always use it (that's somewhere written on the wiki mafiascum) You yourself said "why didn't you shoot n1?" I've explained why I didn't, now it was time to shoot someone who was viewed as suspicious, but didn't get lynched while two townies were lynched.

Dude...what? Are you serious? After a neutral lynch and two mislynches, you decided to risk hitting town because the alternative was boring?

Do you even care? Your rationale seems incredibly dismissive.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Dude...what? Are you serious? After a neutral lynch and two mislynches, you decided to risk hitting town because the alternative was boring?

I wanted to swing the game and kill off scum. I wanted to make the world a bit better. I wanted to save town. I wanted to be the glorious knight in a shining armour.

I failed. I doomed us. I crippled town. Unknowingly I became a monster.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Furthermore... yes, I do care. I explained all my actions and decisions truthfully since my d1 claim. I'm just fed up now. It's the third fucking day in a row I have to post a myriad of explanations, fight doubts and imputations. I know this is my fault and I brought this upon myself, but I'm frustrated. I said it before:

This is the point you either believe me or you lynch me. Make a decision.
 
Gorlak is acting so scummy he can't possibly be scum. Unless that's what he wants us to think...

Gorlak, what difference is there between your Holy Ward and Crimson's protect? Why did you automatically assume your kill was redirected when the possibility existed that your kill was on LP but failed, and the extra kill came from something else?

For now I'm going to put my vote on Dragonz because she seems to be kind of coasting and doing a good job of avoiding attention. Ending up on Darryl after Zipped gave Darryl an alibi yesterday also seems suspicious to me.

vote: WhereAreMahDragonz
 
Feng is town in my opinion. I've stated my opinion and talked about Kyan over the course of the whole game, I did not yet check if he mentioned LP. Now you just find me suspicious because I try to play mafia here, this is getting ridiculous.
That doesn't even make sense. I was finding you suspicious before this day phase even started. So don't try and act like I'm only after you because u said I was scum.

Your reason for saying I was scum was because I didn't mention LP ystrday, yet you didn't mention Feng or Kyan. Now it's feng is town and you didn't check for Kyan. Why did you check specifically to see if I mentioned LP? Was it because you wanted to grasp at straws to say I was scum due to my questioning?
How can you miss the obvious reason you were in the scum list above? It's right in the next question of my quoted post. You are one of the persons to not have talked about LP.
So I'm the only that you pointed teh scum fingers at using LP as an excuse when I questioned you?

BECAUSE I HAD THE POWER TO DECIDE OVER LIFE AND DEATH OF A PERSON. ROLEBLOCK IS FUCKING BORING. AFTER THE BORING N1 I WANTED TO USE THE VIG POWER.
This is the real reason you used the power. Not because you were looking out for town, but because you wanted to kill someone. Where was all the talk of "not wanting to put town at disadvantage" and stuff you had last day phase? The "mercy" you showed Darryl by not killing him night one? You admitted that you didn't go on darryl because you may be tunneling. Yet it seems like you were still unsure of LP as well since you mentioned part of the reason you suspect him might be due to bias or something like that.

If you give a townie a vig-power they will almost always use it (that's somewhere written on the wiki mafiascum) You yourself said "why didn't you shoot n1?" I've explained why I didn't, now it was time to shoot someone who was viewed as suspicious, but didn't get lynched while two townies were lynched.
Don't bring in mafia scum stuff about ppl likely to do so and so. Your role isn't the same since you have powers other than the supposed 1 shot vig.

Where do you get the bolded idea from? Why would their be another command list today?
And how in the world would anyone "confirm" my roleblock command when nobody saw my vig-shot command tonight? The difference between RB and Vig is if succesful we would have a flip on lp vs. the possibility of no kill night. I wanted to do the job properly (Nägel mit Köpfen machen ~ is a german idiom, that describes it best) - and failed obviously.
Why couldnt there be? It's possible that someone couldve gotten a gift, was watched or w/e to see role actions like N1.

It seems like you thought there was as well. Since you didn't bring up this argument of "Where is proof about viewing commands" earlier.
That was the command anyone would've seen Night 1 from me. Night 2 they would see Martyrize: lp.


I presume because of the Targets command, but we haven't actually confirmed what that does...
I know, I read targets as seeing who targets who at night. Maybe that's the drawback of Persi doing the darkness thing? While Zipped can't view any night actions, neither can the scum watcher.

This quote for Gorlak
The other commands in the game describe the action the role exerts, so a tracker would likely have a "follow" command.

Wouldn't a Switcher role be labled "Switch" following his line of thinking? A role that can see who another person targets would most likely have the command "targets"
 

Kevyt

Member
I wanted to swing the game and kill off scum. I wanted to make the world a bit better. I wanted to save town. I wanted to be the glorious knight in a shining armour.

I failed. I doomed us. I crippled town. Unknowingly I became a monster.

Save the act.

You're scum
 

Gorlak

Banned
Gorlak is acting so scummy he can't possibly be scum. Unless that's what he wants us to think...

Gorlak, what difference is there between your Holy Ward and Crimson's protect? Why did you automatically assume your kill was redirected when the possibility existed that your kill was on LP but failed, and the extra kill came from something else?

This is a possibility. With LP surviving I just immediatly saw my redirect theory being confirmed. I did not consider other scenarios.

Holy Ward is one-shot and I can self-target. Apart from this it is basically the exact same thing.
 

Gorlak

Banned
ezekel I never assumed there is a switcher. I always thought of targets as a redirecting power.

in comparison to every other command zipped has posted, this one stands out

invite
view
protect

w/e the others were
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I'm out of this discussion. Congrats to scum.
 
I agree that scum could've redirected to Chair instead of Crimson. Either way it's pointless to further speculate about it unless scum want to come out and admit to it.

Despite Gorlak going off the rails and trying to kill me, I don't think he's scum. And with 4 townies already dead we can't really afford to spend a day lynching him.

Since the "targets" and "absorb" users haven't come forward, we could assume they're scum powers. "Absorb" could be a night-action thief.
 

Kevyt

Member
ezekel I never assumed there is a switcher. I always thought of targets as a redirecting power.

in comparison to every other command zipped has posted, this one stands out

invite
view
protect

w/e the others were
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I'm out of this discussion. Congrats to scum.

You're not off the hook so easily.

Who are your top scum?
 
ezekel I never assumed there is a switcher. I always thought of targets as a redirecting power.

in comparison to every other command zipped has posted, this one stands out

invite
view
protect

w/e the others were
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I'm out of this discussion. Congrats to scum.

Taking your ball and going home?

Cheery pick what you respond to while "leaving the discussion".

"Congrats to scum" on the way out.

Lol, Ok then.

Yes, you do have town's best interest at heart.

My vote is staying on Gorlak.
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You're not off the hook so easily.

Who are your top scum?

His last top scum list were
LP - Due to Splinter convincing him
Sophia - ???
Me - Because I didn't mention LP ystrday.*

*Not the only one to do so, but only one he called out on it. He didn't bother checking to see if anyone else didn't mention LP it seems.
 

Kevyt

Member
Taking your ball and going home?

Cheery pick what you respond to while "leaving the discussion".

"Congrats to scum" on the way out.

Lol, Ok then.

Yes, you do have town's best interest at heart.

My vote is staying on Gorlak.
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His last top scum list were
LP - Due to Splinter convincing him
Sophia - ???
Me - Because I didn't mention LP ystrday.*

*Not the only one to do so, but only one he called out on it. He didn't bother checking to see if anyone else didn't mention LP it seems.

Yes, but I want his most recent list.
 

Sophia

Member
Is anyone pondering what I'm pondering and thinking scum might be jumping on Gorlak because he's an easy target....? I'm not entirely convinced that he's scum, so I'm a bit suspicious of the people arguing with him, particularly Seath and LP.
 

Kevyt

Member
Is anyone pondering what I'm pondering and thinking scum might be jumping on Gorlak because he's an easy target....? I'm not entirely convinced that he's scum, so I'm a bit suspicious of the people arguing with him, particularly Seath and LP.

I'm bored, so I suggest something:

Lynch me and if I flip town and Gorlak survives the night, you guys lynch him the next day.

Deal?

Let's go:

Vote: Seath
 

Sophia

Member
I'm bored, so I suggest something:

Lynch me and if I flip town and Gorlak survives the night, you guys lynch him the next day.

Deal?

Let's go:

Vote: Seath

If I wasn't on mobile and could link the Rina Bullshit image, I would be right now. -.-
 
Yes he's an easy target for scum. He won't be NK'ed and will be kept around.

I don't want to talk about Gorlak, but he has me at the top of his scum list so I'm obligated to respond.
 

*Splinter

Member
Sickly Reads

LP is scum
OA is scum
Dragonz is probably scum

Seath has latched onto Gorlak and isn't interested in anything else. Think he might be scum since he's following their agenda so aggressively.

Zeke I don't know, I feel like I disagree with every single point he makes, but I'm pretty sure I did the same when spectating him. Still, it's hard to town read someone when nothing they say makes sense.

Had the same feeling with Sophia, fortunately she is confirmed now.

I don't really have anything to give me a strong feeling on Kyan... I think he's town but that's mostly because so many people are scummier.

Panda is growing on me a lot today, think he's town.

Gorlak/Zipped/Feng are town
 

Kevyt

Member
Come on just lynch me you guys.

You know you want to.

Take the heat off Gorlak.

He might be town aferall and I might be scum.

A big bad wolf hiding in a sheep's clothing.

Woof woof~

Down with Komena and her followers!

Woof woof~
 

Kevyt

Member
Well, on that note.

I was recruited into scum team the first night.

I'm scum.

I have failed.

Gorlak is town.

Lynch me.
 
Is anyone pondering what I'm pondering and thinking scum might be jumping on Gorlak because he's an easy target....? I'm not entirely convinced that he's scum, so I'm a bit suspicious of the people arguing with him, particularly Seath and LP.

I find Seath odd, but he's been odd all game it seems.
Still don't like LP's excuse for automatically assuming CF was the one that was "targeted".

Me: I feel I saw a crack in Gorlak when he called me scum in response to questioning whether or not we believe his kill. Has been more defensive and stuff with each post. So eh.

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Well, on that note.

I was recruited into scum team the first night.

I'm scum.

I have failed.

Gorlak is town.

Lynch me.
How so when the LR thing happened N1 and if there was a recruit action:
1. It wouldve happened to Sophia
2. The command didn't show up in the list. Unless it was one of the claimed ones?
Absorb, Targets, and I forgot the other one.
 
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