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Of Gods and Men [Mafia] | Ambrosia In Front Of Me

Sophia

Member
What I may find disturbing is what prompted this... lack of faith

... crackshot question because I'm actually slightly annoyed at how this game is going right now and Kyan still hasn't answered my questions, but you wouldn't happen to be related to the God of Knowledge, would you?
 
... crackshot question because I'm actually slightly annoyed at how this game is going right now and Kyan still hasn't answered my questions, but you wouldn't happen to be related to the God of Knowledge, would you?

hmmm

I dunno, I'd need the name to jog my memory
 

Kyanrute

Member
Since at least one third or so have myself on their shortlist, it seems pointless to keep secrets anymore. Not that there are many of them. I am an Ordinary. I argued against Giant Panda on everyone revealing themselves, because I feel that Ordinaries are at their best against scum when they are unknowns. This is even more true in a game like this, where there are silly roles like GP and Splinter have. Everybody could have a role and it could be anything. An unknown is a great potential threat to scum, an ordinary is just another candidate on town’s lynch list. And then there is the meta thing that I love, I claimed ordinary on my last game as scum and I feared an untimely reveal would work out against me and town in general. I hope that metathings are left in the metagaming hell and you judge me according to the way I have played this game. In general, I have no facts, no information, that are not in this post or aren't already revealed.

I’ll then tell you a bit about my vote record and the thoughts behind it all. My goal with this is to help you understand how my train of thought works and show, how all my choices so far have been made in good faith and with good reasoning.

On the best day of all days, I wanted to get rid of someone who did not give me any impression at all. In general, I find my own reads on day one absolutely pointless and untrustworthy, so going with what I went did seem like the best choice. The list at the time was LP/Freak/GP/StarSketch and I ended up voting for our unrevealed god. This vote was very flexible I felt at the time, I could’ve voted for any of the members of the group really. The switch ended up happening when Star did what she did. She appeared more scummy to me than LP, who had not been around that much, and I acted accordingly. I voted to protect possible town prs and voted for the person I found most scummy.

Day two I voted for FEP. The original reason came from the lightning rod shenanigans, where I considered FEP to be the last contradictory party in the story. One part did not fit the puzzle, thought that he had a good chance of being scum. Then his story started changing. He did not pray, but prevented dictates. His story had enough holes and conveniences in it that I thought that there was a chance it was made up on the spot, the same feeling that I got from Splinter days later. The feeling on day two was wrong and FEP was town. At the time the vote made sense, but now that the situation has repeated itself somewhat, I feel that I was too focused on the technicalities.

On day three I again voted for LP, who would be then revealed as Kokakola. Nothing he had said or done at that point had changed my opinion of him from day one, while the others had changed or been killed. Why had my opinion of him had not changed, I wondered? It felt very scummy to me to be that laid back and contribute so little and three days in a row too. I dropped the vote when I did because I feared a turbo and had no realistic idea when I could post the next time. I feel this was the correct thing to do, as I considered LP very scummy at the time.

Day four. At the moment I feel like voting for OA. My second candidate would be Seath or Swamped. The or is there because Seath is the more dangerous vote that could be very rewarding or backfire in a almost game-losing way. My guess about the scum team, including their god, would be OA/Seath/Swamped and either dragonz or Ezekel as the final member. Based on a one whole mafia game experience, I think scum fall into three categories. Some scum lay low, some try to appear as helpful and investigative townies and some make questionable and spectacular plays, usually claiming a role at the same time. OA is somewhere in the middle between lowriders and helpful folk, dragonz and Swamped would be pure lowriders, Seath is the fella with the claims and Ezekel is purely on the helpful team.

On the OA vs. Splinter duel I side with Splinter against OA. At the start of the day I was very much against Splinter because of his silly role that is fucking silly. But the mods might not feel this way, so what do I know. Initially I decided against voting him because I had read him as town the whole game and because I could not exclude the chance that his breadcrumbs were real. After a night well slept I was somewhat glad that I decided against the vote, because I am not the game’s designer. Mechanics speculation is a favorite of mine and it is as much a weakness as much a boon.

Bububub why are these people scum. Whyy. Exclusion. LP is a god, prolly K. Giant Panda is a townie or a neutral but anyway he needn’t die. Sophia and Zipped are confirmed via god-thingies. Blarg is the lightning rod, not a scum role. I am town and I think Splinter is town. We are left with five. There is a god there and 3-4 scum. Let’s look at everyone individually.

Ezekel is the target I am least concerned about atm. If he is scum, he plays the helpful townie well. Frankly, it is a very hard role to play at all, so there is a good chance he is just a real helpful townie. I am concerned with some of his past tunneling, namely on gorlak. Also, while he posts a lot, asks questions, seeks opinions and whatnot, it has not really lead to anything. He throws votes around, a fine way to appear more invested into scumhunting than one really is. Or perhaps he just plays town like he plays. It could be either or.

I dropped dragonz down a notch on the scum list because Seath painted a target on himself and dragonz’s last few posts look somewhat sincere to me. But still. She sent Sophia a message how she was a Ordinary, right? Wouldn’t it be a good play as a newbie scum too? She is a low poster so it is bit hard to find that much about her, but there was a bit with her vote record. OA, Swamped and dragonz have all had a lone vote on a now-confirmed/believed townie. These votes are pointless, any disagreement with the general argument can be said with words. These leftover votes only make scum seem like they aren’t afraid of being wrong. Just a mistaken townie, whoops.

Swamped is an elegant lowrider. She drops in, says something and vanishes. OA does this a lot too I feel. The thing is, lowriders are hard to get at because of their nature. Much of it is just a feeling. In Swamped’s case, I have that feeling she is riding low consciously. When I read her posts, every now and then when she pops up, I get the feeling I got when I read my own posts when I was scum at my past game.

Seath did a gambit and is scum or the scum god. Want to vote for him but it is the dangerous vote so I am rather hesitant about it, because he could be the god and no lynch is baaad at this point.

At the top, OA. With him, it is a combination of small things. Exclusion puts him on the shortlist. Minor details about his posts nag at me from day to day. His distrust of Splinter. The anger in his posts, the pissed off scum who is annoyed that town does not lynch their own anymore. And the lowriding. And the leftover votes from days past.

Responses to concerns raised while yours truly was writing this coming soon.
 

Sophia

Member
I wish you hadn't mentioned that in your initial reveal. It's mentioned in my PM too and would have been useful if you hadnt already revealed it.

That's just a comment for future games. Consider what you share.

... waaaitasecond, it's mentioned in your role PM?! Can you give me some context?
 
Since at least one third or so have myself on their shortlist, it seems pointless to keep secrets anymore. Not that there are many of them. I am an Ordinary. I argued against Giant Panda on everyone revealing themselves, because I feel that Ordinaries are at their best against scum when they are unknowns. This is even more true in a game like this, where there are silly roles like GP and Splinter have. Everybody could have a role and it could be anything. An unknown is a great potential threat to scum, an ordinary is just another candidate on town’s lynch list. And then there is the meta thing that I love, I claimed ordinary on my last game as scum and I feared an untimely reveal would work out against me and town in general. I hope that metathings are left in the metagaming hell and you judge me according to the way I have played this game. In general, I have no facts, no information, that are not in this post or aren't already revealed.

I’ll then tell you a bit about my vote record and the thoughts behind it all. My goal with this is to help you understand how my train of thought works and show, how all my choices so far have been made in good faith and with good reasoning.

On the best day of all days, I wanted to get rid of someone who did not give me any impression at all. In general, I find my own reads on day one absolutely pointless and untrustworthy, so going with what I went did seem like the best choice. The list at the time was LP/Freak/GP/StarSketch and I ended up voting for our unrevealed god. This vote was very flexible I felt at the time, I could’ve voted for any of the members of the group really. The switch ended up happening when Star did what she did. She appeared more scummy to me than LP, who had not been around that much, and I acted accordingly. I voted to protect possible town prs and voted for the person I found most scummy.

Day two I voted for FEP. The original reason came from the lightning rod shenanigans, where I considered FEP to be the last contradictory party in the story. One part did not fit the puzzle, thought that he had a good chance of being scum. Then his story started changing. He did not pray, but prevented dictates. His story had enough holes and conveniences in it that I thought that there was a chance it was made up on the spot, the same feeling that I got from Splinter days later. The feeling on day two was wrong and FEP was town. At the time the vote made sense, but now that the situation has repeated itself somewhat, I feel that I was too focused on the technicalities.

On day three I again voted for LP, who would be then revealed as Kokakola. Nothing he had said or done at that point had changed my opinion of him from day one, while the others had changed or been killed. Why had my opinion of him had not changed, I wondered? It felt very scummy to me to be that laid back and contribute so little and three days in a row too. I dropped the vote when I did because I feared a turbo and had no realistic idea when I could post the next time. I feel this was the correct thing to do, as I considered LP very scummy at the time.

Day four. At the moment I feel like voting for OA. My second candidate would be Seath or Swamped. The or is there because Seath is the more dangerous vote that could be very rewarding or backfire in a almost game-losing way. My guess about the scum team, including their god, would be OA/Seath/Swamped and either dragonz or Ezekel as the final member. Based on a one whole mafia game experience, I think scum fall into three categories. Some scum lay low, some try to appear as helpful and investigative townies and some make questionable and spectacular plays, usually claiming a role at the same time. OA is somewhere in the middle between lowriders and helpful folk, dragonz and Swamped would be pure lowriders, Seath is the fella with the claims and Ezekel is purely on the helpful team.

On the OA vs. Splinter duel I side with Splinter against OA. At the start of the day I was very much against Splinter because of his silly role that is fucking silly. But the mods might not feel this way, so what do I know. Initially I decided against voting him because I had read him as town the whole game and because I could not exclude the chance that his breadcrumbs were real. After a night well slept I was somewhat glad that I decided against the vote, because I am not the game’s designer. Mechanics speculation is a favorite of mine and it is as much a weakness as much a boon.

Bububub why are these people scum. Whyy. Exclusion. LP is a god, prolly K. Giant Panda is a townie or a neutral but anyway he needn’t die. Sophia and Zipped are confirmed via god-thingies. Blarg is the lightning rod, not a scum role. I am town and I think Splinter is town. We are left with five. There is a god there and 3-4 scum. Let’s look at everyone individually.

Ezekel is the target I am least concerned about atm. If he is scum, he plays the helpful townie well. Frankly, it is a very hard role to play at all, so there is a good chance he is just a real helpful townie. I am concerned with some of his past tunneling, namely on gorlak. Also, while he posts a lot, asks questions, seeks opinions and whatnot, it has not really lead to anything. He throws votes around, a fine way to appear more invested into scumhunting than one really is. Or perhaps he just plays town like he plays. It could be either or.

I dropped dragonz down a notch on the scum list because Seath painted a target on himself and dragonz’s last few posts look somewhat sincere to me. But still. She sent Sophia a message how she was a Ordinary, right? Wouldn’t it be a good play as a newbie scum too? She is a low poster so it is bit hard to find that much about her, but there was a bit with her vote record. OA, Swamped and dragonz have all had a lone vote on a now-confirmed/believed townie. These votes are pointless, any disagreement with the general argument can be said with words. These leftover votes only make scum seem like they aren’t afraid of being wrong. Just a mistaken townie, whoops.

Swamped is an elegant lowrider. She drops in, says something and vanishes. OA does this a lot too I feel. The thing is, lowriders are hard to get at because of their nature. Much of it is just a feeling. In Swamped’s case, I have that feeling she is riding low consciously. When I read her posts, every now and then when she pops up, I get the feeling I got when I read my own posts when I was scum at my past game.

Seath did a gambit and is scum or the scum god. Want to vote for him but it is the dangerous vote so I am rather hesitant about it, because he could be the god and no lynch is baaad at this point.

At the top, OA. With him, it is a combination of small things. Exclusion puts him on the shortlist. Minor details about his posts nag at me from day to day. His distrust of Splinter. The anger in his posts, the pissed off scum who is annoyed that town does not lynch their own anymore. And the lowriding. And the leftover votes from days past.

Responses to concerns raised while yours truly was writing this coming soon.

Lorem ipsum #scumtell

Who approved this post before you submitted it, Kyanrute

It's okay, you don't have to tell me
 

Kyanrute

Member
Kyanrute, your right I have mostly circumstantial evidence on scumminess. Now I know not many of us can post as much as splinter or Sophia. And we have largely the same post number, it just feels like you are making more of an effort today than previous days. That to me screams "hey we are going to win". Best foot forward let's not get lynched for skating.

The postcount difference comes from a difference in playstyle I believe. I do not like to poke people like the megaposters you mentioned, not because I am scum, but because I like to do things differently. I look for contradictions and changes, in arguments, in explanations, in behaviors. This leads to few questions here and there and into a fewer post total. I like to think myself as a different cog in the machine, as someone who looks at things differently but at the same time misses some things. Alone, weak. Together, strong.

I am putting more into today for sure, you ain't wrong about that. The circumstances require it, for a mislynch today gives us a very bad situation for tomorrow. Your scream is wrong, certainly, my mind is constantly yelling that we are going to lose, we are going to lose.
 
I just want you to go through my actions from scum perspective and wonder if it would make sense for me to bring attention to myself when none of the lynch candidates this game have been scum. Gorlak, StarSketch, FEP, Darryl, LP (ambiguous) all not scum, why even bother to say anything and "misdirect and mislead" town? It would incredibly simple to say nothing and let you guys carry on about your business (95% sure that's what scum's been doing!). It would be the most unnecessary of gambits to do anything else. Then to top it off completely torpedo my game with an early vote?

I mean really, just tell me what was wrong with my three targets and how were they worse than what the rest of town did lynch:

Crimson (Who I wasn't the only person to think was shady and later came off. Splinter even investigated him!)
Zipped (Who I was concerned with his play/discrepancy with activate but I still came off him on my own before he got the intuition)
Splinter (Who admitted to acting scummy! Why else wouldn't I go after him? This is a bad thing now?)

But if still seems that those first 3 days are scummy then please just lynch me and put an end to this.

Splinter, please explain why you never used your post check on me? If you were so sure I was mafia, I would surely lead you to other scum right? I'm still baffled by your Gorlak check, why would mafia have 2 killing role in an 18 player game? How on Earth would his check give any significant info even if he survived as compared to me as "scum?"

I swear, I'm really struggling with your play this game, either you are putting on a legendarily bad town performance given your role or you're playing a legendarily bold and brash scum game by being absolutely so wrong in your claims that people could think there is no way you could be mafia. Which is why I won't even be remotely surprised if you're town, regardless, it's going to be amazing to see the reactions to my flip. I'll have plenty of popcorn.

@Ezekel: I'm pretty sure that I answered the question when I originally claimed but again, either spell can be used to remove a god, I don't need to know their name. As in Word1 Word2 Word3 <God> and if used correctly then it will remove a god. I don't really understand how it makes much of a difference as to whether I'm town or not?

@Kyan: If I'm lowriding what about then what about Giant Panda? Also, I assure you I would never put this much effort into staying alive as scum one nobody in the team hasn't even died yet. I'd clam up and say nothing, which I've done before. And since when has openly not-bandwagoning been a scumtell?

Spell1 Word3 is Tuttadit

There is really nothing town can lose now and I'd rather not die with it.

Also, my updated read list
Giant Panda
Kyan
Swamped
Ezekel

Splinter (if I'm to be 100% honest right now, I really don't want you guys to lynch Splinter if/when you lynch me because it would be waaaaay too easy, besides even if you do lynch him (and flips scum) you would still have to have a perfect lynching record for the rest of the game so it really wouldn't matter what order you went in.). So please don't be like me and be hasty :)

(I'm really sorry for being harsh. I'm really trying not be serious with everything as it's still a game. But I am really annoyed and am taking this game far more seriously than I need to, it's why it's been nearly a year since I last played. I get too invested. But again, sorry if anything I said has upset/soured anybody. Not exactly sure if I'll be back before day end, but if not GG scum and good luck the rest of town (you will desperately need it!))
 
I just want you to go through my actions from scum perspective and wonder if it would make sense for me to bring attention to myself when none of the lynch candidates this game have been scum. Gorlak, StarSketch, FEP, Darryl, LP (ambiguous) all not scum, why even bother to say anything and "misdirect and mislead" town? It would incredibly simple to say nothing and let you guys carry on about your business (95% sure that's what scum's been doing!). It would be the most unnecessary of gambits to do anything else. Then to top it off completely torpedo my game with an early vote?

I mean really, just tell me what was wrong with my three targets and how were they worse than what the rest of town did lynch:

Crimson (Who I wasn't the only person to think was shady and later came off. Splinter even investigated him!)
Zipped (Who I was concerned with his play/discrepancy with activate but I still came off him on my own before he got the intuition)
Splinter (Who admitted to acting scummy! Why else wouldn't I go after him? This is a bad thing now?)

But if still seems that those first 3 days are scummy then please just lynch me and put an end to this.

Splinter, please explain why you never used your post check on me? If you were so sure I was mafia, I would surely lead you to other scum right? I'm still baffled by your Gorlak check, why would mafia have 2 killing role in an 18 player game? How on Earth would his check give any significant info even if he survived as compared to me as "scum?"

I swear, I'm really struggling with your play this game, either you are putting on a legendarily bad town performance given your role or you're playing a legendarily bold and brash scum game by being absolutely so wrong in your claims that people could think there is no way you could be mafia. Which is why I won't even be remotely surprised if you're town, regardless, it's going to be amazing to see the reactions to my flip. I'll have plenty of popcorn.

@Ezekel: I'm pretty sure that I answered the question when I originally claimed but again, either spell can be used to remove a god, I don't need to know their name. As in Word1 Word2 Word3 <God> and if used correctly then it will remove a god. I don't really understand how it makes much of a difference as to whether I'm town or not?

@Kyan: If I'm lowriding what about then what about Giant Panda? Also, I assure you I would never put this much effort into staying alive as scum one nobody in the team hasn't even died yet. I'd clam up and say nothing, which I've done before. And since when has openly not-bandwagoning been a scumtell?

Spell1 Word3 is Tuttadit

There is really nothing town can lose now and I'd rather not die with it.

Also, my updated read list
Giant Panda
Kyan
Swamped
Ezekel

Splinter (if I'm to be 100% honest right now, I really don't want you guys to lynch Splinter if/when you lynch me because it would be waaaaay too easy, besides even if you do lynch him (and flips scum) you would still have to have a perfect lynching record for the rest of the game so it really wouldn't matter what order you went in.). So please don't be like me and be hasty :)

(I'm really sorry for being harsh. I'm really trying not be serious with everything as it's still a game. But I am really annoyed and am taking this game far more seriously than I need to, it's why it's been nearly a year since I last played. I get too invested. But again, sorry if anything I said has upset/soured anybody. Not exactly sure if I'll be back before day end, but if not GG scum and good luck the rest of town (you will desperately need it!))

Spell1?
 

Kyanrute

Member
@OA. Yeah I do not like GP at all. But he has a role that nobody has counterclaimed and that role fits into what we know. I personally think it is possible he is a neutral, but we needn't kill those. I do not think he is scum, because his role would give scum two town actions right from the start. Really, the only way thus to think that GP is scum, is to not believe his claim. Atm I do not remember how and how well he was confirmed, perhaps someone else does remember this?
 

*Splinter

Member
... waaaitasecond, it's mentioned in your role PM?! Can you give me some context?
I'm not going to paraphrase as frankly it's cheating and this community has been way too accepting of it. However I will say that when you originally mentioned worshipping Xeros I had completely forgotten his mention in my PM, thought you must be a neutral to be following someone other than Komena.

Only today I realised my PM has the same thing:
Just checked my role flavour, nothing like that in there. I did notice something interesting though...
(I knew someone had mentioned Xeros before, so after this post I searched through the thread. When I realised it was you I decided it not worth bringing up.)

So yeah, I essentially have THREE green checks on Sophia now...
 

Sophia

Member
*sigh*

I'll be honest. This game is frustrating and I feel like I'm playing Russian Roulette now. Feels like we've got a ton of different leads, with all of them going nowhere.

I've been hesitant to vote for OceanicAir, because I'm starting to get the feeling that both him and Splinter are town. Splinter's roleclaim checks out logically, and he defended it pretty hardcore. OA's fighting very hard argument wise, even before he found himself at the receiving end of the vote. At the same time, I can't help but feel that there's a very vested interest in watching one or the other flip by everyone.

I think we might be barking up the wrong tree here by trying to solve this Splinter vs OcenaicAir shtick. :\
 

Kevyt

Member
Spell 2, Word 1 is Geosyog

Hmmm... I'm not sure if that's helpful but that's what I got from my dream.

Also, what kind of words are those? lol
 
Okay okay okay. Some reads before bedtime.

Blarg - Who the hell is he? He's weird. Kinda smelly, posts gifs a lot. Seems kinda harmless though. I don't know exactly what he's up to, but I believed Feng's LR claim then and I believe it now. Don't think he's scum.

Seath - I don't think he's a god, at all. Probably scum. Number four on my list behind Swamped. Used god claim to avoid lynch; it initially worked on me. I was hesitant to vote for him because of the potential repercussions, but apparently there aren't any. I'd be willing to consider lynching him because one, it would prove or disprove his godhood and two, it would probably root out a scum member. I didn't trust him day one and I still don't. Nothing he has done has made me feel good about him being town. Also probably lied about the spell. Hmm.

Sophia - Confirmed town pretty much, I trust her. Seems nice, would probs hang out with her in real life.

Zipped - Also very likely to be town. Doesn't like me, I don't really know why. I mean, I can understand the whole "she's coasting bit", because yeah, my plan was to definitely lay low and avoid being an easy kill for scum. But otherwise, I feel like I contribute well when I do post. At least, I try.

OA - Do not like, at all. Very aggressive, very defensive, very suspicious. Why are you so angry? Are you just frustrated? Pops in and out, and I can't help but feel like he never truly contributes anything to the scum hunt. He just kinda goes, "But what about THIS possibility??" and then vanishes. Poof. Gone. Gets agitated when called out, which makes me believe that he's lowkey stressed about having to hide something? His latest post makes me feel a teensy bit better, but it sounds contrived. Forced. Like someone who knows he's been caught and is trying a last ditch effort to save himself. Interesting that he would share the spell though; that's super helpful to town. But only if it's true. He could be bullshitting us for all we know.

Swamped - Where art thou? Also in the same boat as OA in which I feel like she just comes and goes, posting distracting stuff and then leaving. My number 3 pick.

Splinter - You are definitely hiding something more. You seem way too chill considering the vote is very close between you and OA. If you were town, knowing how close the game is to becoming a mylo (I googled it, it's bad for town), wouldn't you be doing anything and everything to save your skin and win the game for the rest of us?

Kyan - Rising on my scum list, too. Does the same as OA and Swamped, but I can't really get any good reads on him. I don't know much about him and I don't like it.

L_P - Probably god. Which one, I'm not sure. Will wait and watch.

Giant Panda - Also doesn't like me. In the same camp as OA and Swamped. I don't trust him one bit, but need more reads for a better decision.

Did I miss anyone?
 
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What's going on now???!

*sigh*

I'll be honest. This game is frustrating and I feel like I'm playing Russian Roulette now. Feels like we've got a ton of different leads, with all of them going nowhere.

I've been hesitant to vote for OceanicAir, because I'm starting to get the feeling that both him and Splinter are town. Splinter's roleclaim checks out logically, and he defended it pretty hardcore. OA's fighting very hard argument wise, even before he found himself at the receiving end of the vote. At the same time, I can't help but feel that there's a very vested interest in watching one or the other flip by everyone.

I think we might be barking up the wrong tree here by trying to solve this Splinter vs OcenaicAir shtick. :\

Yeah, I'm starting to feel the same way. I feel pretty confident the Splinter has his claimed ability, and it seems unlikely someone with that ability is scum. But at the same time I have my doubts about OA too. And now I like Kyan's post as well. I generally agree with his arguments. But, is it even possible that they're all townies? That would only leave Zeke, Swamped, Dragonz, and Seath. (+ maybe LP?) I don't know.

Hey panda,

What military were you captain of?

Parakros
 
Were those words from different spells? Are you banking on Seath and OA lying about the spell number thing?

So was Feng telling the truth about getting a dream, but lying about it not being about killing gods?
 

Sophia

Member
Why would there be multiple spells anyhow? Doesn't seem like we'd be able to get all the words that way...

Something isn't adding up here.
 
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