But what they did give us is way more than Sony gave the ps4.
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Colin Moriarty of Kinda Funny: source says "most developers are not happy with PS4.5"
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But what they did give us is way more than Sony gave the ps4.
NullPointer
Member
Every PS4 owner expects a PS5 to come out somewhere down the line, but if that PS5 was releasing first quarter of next year, yeah, you'd see plenty of upset PS4 owners.
Darryl M R
Member
You know he's lurking. Like he always does. Vita in hand. Lurkin.
Do rumors point to it being necessary for devs to add Neo enhancements to all of their PS4 games going forward?
Because that's the only way I can see this being a big problem for them. Otherwise it's just a New 3DS type of situation. Some games use the extra power, others don't, and it's not a big deal overall.
Because that's the only way I can see this being a big problem for them. Otherwise it's just a New 3DS type of situation. Some games use the extra power, others don't, and it's not a big deal overall.
Audioboxer
Member
Title miss-management can't really stop the hardware guys going ahead with their schedule. I think a lot of this is tied into propping up VR, and it would be daft to delay it longer due to TLG, Gran Turismo and Uncharted 4 being late if the hardware is good to go. Not to mention the longer they hold off the closer it is to PS5 (yea sure argument now comes in about waiting for PS5 instead, but as I said VR is at the forefront here IMO).
All of the titles coming on PS4 this year will still be buyable and work as they have been demoed in public on your PS4. It's not as if the games are going to turn into PS4k exclusives. The performance of these delayed exclusives is going to play out exactly the same if a PS4k announcement never happened. Sure it's looking likely and Joe Bloggs may now be able to blow more of his cash to play TLG at a better framerate than you, but that's technology, it shouldn't stop you enjoying TLG on your PS4, the same it doesn't stop me enjoying DS3 at 30FPS just now (while PC GAF is at 60FPS).
I mean even if they say they are primarly doing this refresh for VR what would keep some of you happy? Promising to NOT allow the increased specs for VR to be used in ordinary games? That would be one heck of a stunt to pull just to keep some happy that don't like the idea someone else somewhere is playing at a better framerate. In fact that is exactly what pisses off PC gamers when devs do parity and port a shoddy console port. Pretty certain that outrage would be bigger if Sony said we're locking down resources for VR only, if your game has no VR, tough.
Icyflamez96
Member
Reading gaf on the Vita lol
OrbitalBeard
Member
I completely disagree. Wii U is, for me, the worst console I've ever purchased.
I've only owned my PS4 for seven months and I'm already significantly happier with it than I will ever be with my Wii U. An upgraded version of the console isn't going to change that.
FantasticMrSnake
Member
And mine says that game developers are not happy with people going back to board games!
/J
Re-post:
Cars have 3-year lease cycles, phones have 2-year contracts, PCs are changing all the time.
I guess I don't mind a new console every 3 years if that means better tech and experiences.
On the dev side, if they hate the PS4 Neo idea, they can surely make the Neo version of the game exactly as the one for the current PS4.
No one is telling them to do improvements to the Neo versions.
People who don't want it can still avoid the incremental upgrade, still enjoy the current games on their PS4s, also enjoy the price drops, and wait for the PS5 in three more years.
So yea, I don't see the downside of this.
Cars have 3-year lease cycles, phones have 2-year contracts, PCs are changing all the time.
I guess I don't mind a new console every 3 years if that means better tech and experiences.
On the dev side, if they hate the PS4 Neo idea, they can surely make the Neo version of the game exactly as the one for the current PS4.
No one is telling them to do improvements to the Neo versions.
People who don't want it can still avoid the incremental upgrade, still enjoy the current games on their PS4s, also enjoy the price drops, and wait for the PS5 in three more years.
So yea, I don't see the downside of this.
As someone earlier correctly pointed out, at the end of the day it doesn't matter how the devs feel. It matter show the publishers feel. And if the publishers see an opportunity in this, then it will happen.
I like how no one seems to even entertain the notion that Sony did their due diligence with market research to form an educated business decision around this.
I'm satisfied with some of the games but it's just so funny that they're throwing firmware upgrades at the system left and right, asking us what we want, dragging their feet with VR, taking forever to release first party games, no PSone classics, etc etc
And they decide to now create a new upgraded system to sell to people. It's just a fantastic business they have been running from the profit standpoint, but man do I feel like they're screwing their early adopters. I love my PS4, but it's not because of the games Sony has put on it.
AstroNut325
Member
I hope they're also listening to me. I want a PS4K.
The end result is a future that looks a lot like the great depression, and our kids are playing with wooden spoons and dirt thanks to Sony. GG SONY! GG!
Scrotum Phillips
Member
What technology offers frequent update cycles? Like, all of them! TV's, cars, gadgets, etc. they all offer the opportunity to upgrade from something new if it is available and you want to pay for it. Consoles are basically the exception to everything else technology.
Now 'they'know that they will get a small spec update with the slim version mid gen. Fine. Not much changes. Games are running on both versions. A little bit better on the more expensive one.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Devs arent going to publicly talk shit about sony.
Not really, those updates happen on the console side as well.
That doesn't take away anything from what I said.
I'm talking about first party games and the first party presence. PS4 is successful because Sony made some good business deals. Not because of their games. And that's perfectly fine; I love my third party ps4 games.
actually, the future looks more like the second half of wall-e minus the ending.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I should have been more clear. I was specifically talking about Sony's first party output. I've been much more satisfied with it than Nintendo's.
BleedOrange
Banned
Lets rephrase the situation then:
Are you okay with a console manufacturer attempting to create a PC-like environment with a hardware upgrade hamster wheel, but simultaneously disallowing developers the freedoms concomitant with that environment?
Put another way, would you be okay with Microsoft imposing restrictions like these on Windows developers?
AcademicSaucer
Member
Yeah, If people want to know how most AAA games will be on the PSPoor, look no further than Hyrule Warriors on the OG 3DS
Bear Force One
Banned
Devs should just not bother.
ElephantShell
Banned
How much harder would it be for a dev to make a game run well on PS4 and Neo than PS4 and PC? Aren't they used to developing for different SKUs already? Or is he referencing Sony's first parties who have only been making games for PS3/PS4 for years?
Maybe to you.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
as far as "Consoles" go im already playing the inferior version of games? ok.
Fine, but Sony is still responsible for that!
I acknowledge your points. I don't personally see the value in a console upgrade that doesn't guarantee marked improvements across the board, and 4K is yet to be a thing for me.
AmuroChan
Member
I just don't see why that line of thinking only applies to game consoles and not literally every piece of technology or consumer product.
Audioboxer
Member
Well yeah, Mark Cerny is currently in his tub playing UC4 at 60FPS while we get it shortly at 30FPS.
I love this post.
scorcher59
Member
The bump in graphics will have to be "Breathtaking" to warrant a move from PS4 to PS4K, otherwise what's the point?
Movalpolos
Banned
Oh I know he is. Their podcast is basically the NeoGAF "concern" cast. Want to know what next week's podcast will entail? Just check out all the "hot 1st page threads" with the most replies on GAF.
Giantbombcast is guilty of this crap too.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed. This is not reactionary. It has been planned, and the writing was on the wall with all 3 wanting that 'ecosystem' pie. And in order to get the Android/iPhone ecosystem pie, one can not reset the userbase every gen, and pray most stick around.
AcademicSaucer
Member
BRUTAL
Sure. You're unhappy with the first party effort. I'm not thrilled with it either.
I still see that aspect completely orthogonal to the PS4 as a console, just because on the PS4 Sony is just one publisher of many.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Because most of the consumer product available don't require you to buy 15$ to 60$ product to use the 400$ you just bought.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Are people seriously asking Colin to give up what Devs and sources he getting this from?
Lol. Gaf never ceases to amaze me.
Why would he do that? The Devs would never say anything like that publicly. Thats why we have IGN/Kotaku/Gamespot, etc..
Lol. Gaf never ceases to amaze me.
Why would he do that? The Devs would never say anything like that publicly. Thats why we have IGN/Kotaku/Gamespot, etc..
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Well, this thread for starters. Sony has never publicly spoken about anything remotely like UWP so I assume they don't have something similar.
No it doesn't. No Xbox One game does. Ditto for 360 retail titles, PlayStation retail titles etc etc.
Which games?
NullPointer
Member
Well the expectations for consoles have been set by the previous generations. It shouldn't be a surprise that many buyers of PS4s and Xbox Ones expected 5+ years of first line support before the focus would inevitably shift to the next generation.
Its always about expectations.
If the PS5 was to come out with an understanding that it was the tip of the spear of a new iteration model with new hardware refreshes and upgrades every two years, expectations would fall in line. But the NEO and NEXTbox stuff is a surprise, and this news is hitting early in this generation that has had a slow enough start as it is.
Bots are better than you
Banned
So you buy a TV and a car every year? Or every three years? No leasing, buying! Dude, care to share some of your wealth with us?
You know studios getting closed left and right, might want to remember the Driveclub guys, and now you're fine with studios and pubs getting even more work due to at least one intermediate hardware step that you're willing to have for not being *that* much underpowered like PS4/XOne are? I think the reason that we still do have a "healthy" amount of devs and pubs is that console usually have, or rather had, a longer lifespan and identical hardware / performance across this lifespan.
*sees spongebob avatar*
...NX will save us
only people who were in that thread will understand what I mean
Steve Youngblood
Member
Only time will tell in terms of how this all plays out, but my gut feeling right now is that this really isn't going to be that big of a deal. I don't mean that devs will or should love 2 SKUs, but I sort of feel like they'll figure out the new normal relatively quickly, and that consumers aren't going to really be facing that difficult of a choice. I could be wrong. Maybe the 4K will really catch on and it'll become the focal point and owners of the vanilla PS4 will be left to feel like second class citizens. But I'm honestly not expecting devs to go out of their way to optimize for the 4K out of the gate.
Maybe there'll be marginally better performance and that will probably be good enough because that's the price one pays for being an early adopting tech enthusiast.
Maybe there'll be marginally better performance and that will probably be good enough because that's the price one pays for being an early adopting tech enthusiast.
We have devs here who have been telling us not to even worry about this. Matt himself is infuriated over all the FUD right now.
That said would it really be hard to to ask numerous devs about this "hypothetical" scenario and see what they say?