Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The official 3d model finally gives druddy justice
I feel the "flatness" of its looks kinda ruin it
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RTTP: The Pokemon. All 721 of them, and counting.
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The official 3d model finally gives druddy justice
I feel the "flatness" of its looks kinda ruin it
Cute Dragon Here
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I wish I had an Axew plushie. And Haxorus.
Not having Axew in my plush collection just kind of makes me feel bad.
But yeah, I really love Axew and Haxorus.
Not having Axew in my plush collection just kind of makes me feel bad.
But yeah, I really love Axew and Haxorus.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Axew is the only design I like of the three.
Professor Beef
Banned
Haxorus made me realize that I took the quad weakness to Ice/Dragon for granted.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Professor Beef
Banned
Wait, why did i put up quad weakness to dragon
this is what i get for my sleep schedule being out of wack
this is what i get for my sleep schedule being out of wack
I used Axew/Fraxure/Haxorus on my White team and my god he was amazing, he tore things apart and that includes Pokémon with Levitate as he had Mold Breaker so he destroyed them with Earthquake.
Axew is also the first 3 stage pure dragon type, so gen 5 really did go all out in creating new type combos.
Not if you trade in a Pokémon that already knows Surf and you can get Axew before the 4th gym.
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what you did there.
Axew is also the first 3 stage pure dragon type, so gen 5 really did go all out in creating new type combos.
Not if you trade in a Pokémon that already knows Surf and you can get Axew before the 4th gym.
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TriggerShy
Member
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
#613 - Cubchoo
Ice
Though I do have to give credit to Generation V for handling the majority of Types quite well, Ice kind of got the short end of the stick---there's only three non-Legendary Ice families introduced and all of them are pure Ice, which is unfortunate since Ice by itself really isn't all that good as we've learned. While Vanillite was a three-stage line the other two Ice families are a two-stage line and a single stage, with Cubchoo here being the two-stager. Like a lot of Ice-type Pokemon it comes fairly late into the game, not popping up till Twist Mountain after the sixth Gym, though it can also be found on Route 7 during Winter which is slightly earlier but not by much. And in Black 2 and White 2 since Twist Mountain is blocked off it becomes limited to Winter on Route 7, unless you get lucky and find one in Route 7's Hidden Grotto available all year round. I used one in White, a bred one, and it had a lot of issues early on due to not learning too many good moves, Icy Wind is basically all it has forever, but once it evolved it became a bit better---overall I'd say my experience with it was better than when I used Vanillite.
Cubchoo was another Pokemon that was a long time coming---a polar bear! And like Teddiursa it's pretty cute, though not quite as cute as it I'd say and our next bear-based Pokemon introduced in Generation VI also wins out over it, but it's not bad. It has a kind of gross gimmick involving a large piece of snot hanging from its nose, like that kid from Wind Waker, and it's constantly sniffing its snot back up its nostrils because it actually provides it with the material needed to use its Ice-type moves, or something like that. It's not actually sick because it has a runny nose, that's normal, though the snot is said to serve as a barometer when it comes to its health---if the snot is thick and sticky, it's in good health, but if the snot is watery it's in need of immediate care and its Ice-type attacks suffer as a result. I really wish they would've given this line some sort of sneeze-based attack to take the motif further, because I love when Pokemon get stupid, yet PokeDex-referencing, moves. Savor the sight of this cute little Pokemon because it honestly evolves into one of the ugliest Pokemon of Generation V.
Hey Cubchoo, how come you get two filler episodes? The first filler episode was another one of the "Meowth Negotiator" episodes when he was temporarily traveling with the group, all a (supposed?) front to ultimately lead the twerps into a trap, this time his skills being put to the test when a lone Cubchoo had gotten lost from its group and ended up intruding upon another group of Beartic, these ones attacking it! Eventually though Meowth and the gang managed to end the feud when it was discovered it was caused by a lack of berries due to a recent storm and a solution was found to ensure both groups got a chance to eat, thus the feud was ended. The second filler involved a rich kid losing his Cubchoo and hiring the help of "Detective" Cilan, and this episode was rather fun since it was when Dawn came back and her and Iris continually mocking Cilan's odd behavior while sleuthing made the episode. Ultimately it's discovered Cubchoo escaped with the help of a Larvitar and after the mystery is solved like the episode literally goes completely off the rails---I'm serious, it's like the writers had no clue what to do with the last five minutes of the show so they just have everyone fuck around for a bit with a practice battle and then the rich kid decides to go on a journey, I've never seen an episode of the show lose momentum like this one does. It's pretty much the number one example for me of why I wish Team Rocket wasn't absent from so many Best Wishes episodes because at least they could've brought some form of conflict to the episode.
#614 - Beartic
Ice
Cubchoo evolves into Beartic at the reasonable Level 37, and gains a pretty decent Attack alongside learning a nice physical Ice-type move in Icicle Crash---but beyond that none of its stats are particularly nice otherwise, though its bulk isn't too bad (but, y'know, Ice-type), and its glacially slow. Despite that in Generation V it actually managed to occasionally see some use in the Uber tier due to a rare combination of the Ice-type and Swift Swim, allowing it to take down various Pokemon the majority of Water-type Swift Swimmers cannot, and access to Encore and Swords Dance. But beyond that, and even then Swift Swim doesn't make it all that fast, Beartic has a hard time standing out from the majority of Ice-type Pokemon and really isn't all that great. I had a decent time using one in White due to it having a decent amount of diverse moves unlike Vanilluxe, but I wouldn't recommend really using one when there's so many options in Unova who are simply better. Well, despite its flaws, at least it looks cool...
Not. I don't know what happened here, when Game Freak made Ursaring in Generation II it came out basically flawless, but Beartic is just straight-up ugly and one of my least favorite designs in Generation V. I don't actually hate it, in fact I sort of like it because it's so ugly and it's one Pokemon I can point at and go "this is an objectively bad design", but there's just so much wrong here though it basically boils down to the eyes. The eyes, or lack of for some Pokemon like Zubat, is probably the most important part to get right when designing a Pokemon, and likewise when it comes to fake Pokemon usually their eyes will give you a good indication of their legitimacy since most artists seem to have trouble with them. By looking solely at a Pokemon's eyes you should be able to tell a decent amount about them, even if you don't see the rest of their body---look at what Psyduck's eyes communicate, or Ursaring's. But Beartic's eyes just don't match it at all, it's a large and powerful bear so why does it have these beady little eyes that don't fit whatsoever? Beyond that it also has that weird bottom-heavy body, I mean it's probably meant to be like an iceberg, small on the top and large on the bottom, but while that would work nicely for a more abstract Pokemon made of ice, giving that awkward body shape to an animal just doesn't work. Finally they tossed in crotch-fur too like Blaziken because, hell, why not?
Motif-wise its snot bubble basically explodes over its face giving it an ice-beard---so consider it the counterpart to Emboar and its fire-beard in that sense. It's also said that it can use its frozen breath to create icicle fangs and claws of ice to fight with, but we never see this in any medium which is unfortunate because I'd love to see it form ice-armor for itself and go to town---that's probably where the Mega Evolution will go, though with so many Generation V Pokemon I don't see this guy being chosen by Game Freak for that honor anytime soon. And like a polar bear it's quite capable in water thus why it has Swift Swim and can also learn Surf---maybe they should've just went ahead and made it Ice/Water, sure it's overused but it'd probably help it out a bit. I'm still disappointed they messed up the visual design of this Pokemon so much, a polar bear should've been an easy Pokemon to make and while everything else about it is solid enough its looks really hurt the whole package. Honestly a white Ursaring covered in some ice probably would've worked far better as a design. Also though it looks like it'd be "Bear-tic", like Regice you don't pronounce the name as it looks and it seems to be "Bear-artic".
Beartic appeared in both Cubchoo fillers, but it had a reoccurring role as the main Pokemon of Georgia, Iris's rival and self-proclaimed "Dragon Buster". I gotta admit I kind of got over my distaste for Beartic's design because Georgia and hers were cool enough---the anime really didn't make the design look any better though. Georgia herself though was an odd character because of her status as Iris' rival, because while I liked the idea of Ash's companions getting rivals it was kind of hard for the writers it seemed to give Georgia much to do since Iris didn't have any main competition she competed in with a physical goal like Contests and Gyms do. She usually would compete in the Tournament Arcs and lose, spending the rest of the time with Burgundy giving color commentary. And she basically disappeared from the show without her plot ever being resolved and she never even got a chance to "bust" a Dragon---her whole goal was motivated by being defeated by someone from the Village of Dragons yet when we got to that location later in the show the writers didn't think to actually have Georgia show up. Anyway, Beartic's first appearance had it thrashing Excadrill quite easily causing it and Iris to end up bonding once again and re-challenge the polar bear Pokemon, this time the battle ending in a tie. In a later Tournament it had a cute battle with Joltik like I mentioned before, winning by crushing the poor little Pokemon after it zapped it. And finally in the World Tournament it went head-to-head against Iris' new Dragonite and while it appeared to be winning at first, freezing Dragonite multiple times, in the end Dragonite took it down effortlessly with a single Thunder Punch. And then Burgundy and Beartic were written out of the show which was pretty shit.
Vital Tundra
Member
Really was disappointed with Beartics design. Just didn't do it for me. His head just doesn't work.
TriggerShy
Member
Professor Beef
Banned
I love Beartic, but man using him is such an absolute chore
Subtervotion
Member
Haxorus is a certified bad ass mother fucker. Easily one of my favorite designed pokemon in gen 5. I really wish he had better stats. One of these days I'll use one competitively. I've already used one in Black 2 and Y. Shiny Haxorus is also the GOAT.
TriggerShy
Member
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Mamoswine.
I quite like both of these, though I will agree Beartic's facial features leave a lot to be desired.
But I think the headcold/ice mucus as fuel for icy superpowers is actually a clever invention.
They look a lot better when they're part of the Bare Bears Trio, though.
"Icebear dislikes that Ice is underpowered."
It also makes me annoyed that Honoguma was never brought back into the series after being discarded in Gen II. Bear starter is starter concept that needs to happen.
But I think the headcold/ice mucus as fuel for icy superpowers is actually a clever invention.
They look a lot better when they're part of the Bare Bears Trio, though.
"Icebear dislikes that Ice is underpowered."
It also makes me annoyed that Honoguma was never brought back into the series after being discarded in Gen II. Bear starter is starter concept that needs to happen.
TriggerShy
Member
Professor Beef
Banned
Also Froslass. I would add Weavile too, but that's because he's so cool looking.
I think the thing about Beartic is that from the ice beard up, the face is meant to almost look photorealistic (look up "angry polar bear" images). It's simplified, of course - but the sharp features and beady eyes are quite relevant. It's quite weird to see such a resistance to anthropomorphism on a Pokemon, but clearly the artist was trying to capture the animal's sheer ferocity.
Darth_Caedus
No longer canonical
Cubchoo is a good design it's also really cute. Beartic is crap though, such an ugly Pokemon.
TriggerShy
Member
Charlie0108
Member
Weavile is OU and getting a fair bit of usage at the moment, I think
Xux
Member
"It freezes its breath to create fangs and claws of ice to fight with." ...Doesn't learn learn Ice Fang. It's also huge and runs on all fours which is neat; something they should really show with Feraligatr since it gets mentioned.
I really like Beartic. I think the eyes fit perfectly. Eh, can't win 'em all, Birdie.
Next Pokemon's neat; kind of a weird third wheel thing going on that popped up a couple times in Gen V.
I really like Beartic. I think the eyes fit perfectly. Eh, can't win 'em all, Birdie.
Next Pokemon's neat; kind of a weird third wheel thing going on that popped up a couple times in Gen V.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Beartic is meant to look like a mountain top.
With that said yeah, it is the weakest among the bear trio (with Pangoro being the best of course).
It's the face, it looks... meh.
With that said yeah, it is the weakest among the bear trio (with Pangoro being the best of course).
It's the face, it looks... meh.
I kind of think of Weavile more as a Dark-type with the Ice-type tacked on. There's nothing at all icy about it's design and I would think the typing is just there because there's no "Wind-type" which would befit a kamaitachi.
The best Pokemon to actually show the Ice-type theme and fit Pokken would probably be Abomasnow.
balladofwindfishes
Member
how do you manage to mess up a polar bear?
Weavile in Pokken surprisingly uses mostly ice attacks, and even has cool visual effects like her crown frosting over.
Weavile in Pokken surprisingly uses mostly ice attacks, and even has cool visual effects like her crown frosting over.
Flying is basically Wind type.
Weavile does have a lot of ice themed moves in Pokken though.
Really? That's awesome! I had expected dark claw attacks and then maybe an ice projectile.
balladofwindfishes
Member
That's pretty much what she does. Claw attacks, along with some ice projectiles. Her burst attack covers her crown in ice.
They did a good job mixing Ice and Dark into the move set.
Flying is weird because it was clearly conceived as a "Bird-type" then expanded in G1's development to encompass Zubat, Charizard and Dragonite, and some Bugs and then later finally fleshed out in G3 with a bunch of wind-themed moves.
It was in this weird middle ground during GSC where the only wind-themed moves were Gust, Aeroblast, and Razor Wind - which aren't even uniformly Flying-type. And it's STILL weird Razor Wind is STILL Normal-type.
Wind is like Sound - it occupies this weird "demi-type" where it's been smushed into a type that doesn't quite sync up with it.
Regadless, the concept of a Sneasel and Weavile is still something that uses wind to attack but has no means of achieving flight. Which makes them really freaking weird in terms of Pokemon-typing. So they shoved the Ice-type on to them.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
best bear is still a gen away anyway
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Is Avalugg also supposed to be a bear?
TriggerShy
Member
The Silver
Member
Beartic looks really awkward in the anime
I don't really think there's a problem with a Pokemon not making its subtype super obvious. It's certainly a dark type first, but it lives in cold regions and has control over ice, and a quick search tells me that the kamaitachi is often associated with a cold wind in particular, I think it works fine.
Then again, the Weavile line is my favorite, so I'm clearly biased.
KelpNugatCrunch
Member
He's apparently inspired by an aircraft carrier.
Avalugg is one of my favorite Gen 6 pokemon and is a total bro so I love him. Don't care too much on Haxorus or Beartic.
Nah I think you're right on the money. There's nothing inherent about Mamoswine's design, for instance, that says he should be an ice type (Sure mammoths have association with the ice age and all that but still) but we still consider him an Ice type because of the regions Swinub and Piloswine live in.