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Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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SunBroDave
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You joke but that's what half the people in this thread seem to believe.
Candescence
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To be fair, Dark Souls is even more guilty of this. At least Zelda changes up something big each game (time loops, sailing, twilight, motion+, etc), while Dark Souls II and III really only tweaks certain mechanics and even often reuses equipment, enemies, and even the exact same boss twice. Not that this is a bad thing, mind, but calling the kettle black, you know?
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
family_guy
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I think they would garner some good will by having a Zelda demo available for download after the event.
FleetingFlowAir
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Come to the Nintendo E3 for some special events! We have several stuff like a 20-min demo of Zelda, Zelda info, Zelda artwork, and maaaaaybe some vague NX info.
We'll make your admissions worth it.
We'll make your admissions worth it.
blankempathy
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That's why the "they have nothing to show" narrative isn't that convincing. The new pokemon game is coming out this year world wide yet they're not showing that either. Considering how big of a deal a mainline pokemon game is why not show it? Just seems like there's more to these decisions then "there's nothing to show".
Woo, called it!
Are people really shocked? After they said NX wouldn't be at E3 and that Zelda was the only playable game, it was freaking obvious that there wouldn't be a Digital Event this year. They simply do not have the content to justify doing one. Literally the only games coming worldwide to their systems this year are Pokémon Sun/Moon, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Metroid Prime: Federation Force, and Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games. Outside of Pokémon that list is trash, and this is coming from someone who plans on getting both Paper Mario and Metroid. And you're kidding yourself if you think they were gonna announce any more Wii U games.
I much prefer them only showing Zelda (which is going to be amazing!) than waste my time on a Digital Event with the kind of lineup they have. Plus, I can almost guarantee that The Pokémon Company will do at least something Pokémon Sun/Moon related at E3 since Masuda is attending. Dude isn't flying out to LA for nothing.
And honestly, just new Zelda and Pokémon info is much better than last year's Digital Event.
Are people really shocked? After they said NX wouldn't be at E3 and that Zelda was the only playable game, it was freaking obvious that there wouldn't be a Digital Event this year. They simply do not have the content to justify doing one. Literally the only games coming worldwide to their systems this year are Pokémon Sun/Moon, Paper Mario: Color Splash, Metroid Prime: Federation Force, and Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games. Outside of Pokémon that list is trash, and this is coming from someone who plans on getting both Paper Mario and Metroid. And you're kidding yourself if you think they were gonna announce any more Wii U games.
I much prefer them only showing Zelda (which is going to be amazing!) than waste my time on a Digital Event with the kind of lineup they have. Plus, I can almost guarantee that The Pokémon Company will do at least something Pokémon Sun/Moon related at E3 since Masuda is attending. Dude isn't flying out to LA for nothing.
And honestly, just new Zelda and Pokémon info is much better than last year's Digital Event.
SunBroDave
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To be fair, 5 Dark Souls games have released in the past 7 years, and they're all amazing.
AcademicSaucer
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STAHPRösti;202703441 said:
Rösti;202706705 said:
Seems as though they originally had planned to possibly reveal the NX, but they hit some sort of development snag that delayed the console. I'm guessing there is more to the March 2017 date than simply that they wanted more games at launch and beyond.
I think there were either manufacturing issues or they went a different direction for something and don't have time to adjust before the holidays.
Hopefully it's nothing too serious because if that's the case, I'd be a little concerned about the console being half baked.
Calamari41
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Ok then: The next Zelda will release after the successor to the Wii U is out, and on that successor as well. You know what I mean. The number of years between Zelda games is greater than the number of years that their current system is their current generation system, without overlap.
After thinking about this for a bit......I'm still confused about this choice honestly.
I mean, its NOT like they have nothing to show for themselves this year. We got two more upcoming Wii U games and this could be a great place to show why people should be interested in Color Splash (as people already hate it for not being Thousand Year Door 2.....and I'm not in the camp, but not too thrilled about it being a Sticker Star sequel either) and make a big deal about Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, MAINLINE Pokemon and a number of SEGA titles coming out on 3DS.
But.....no, you only focus on a game that isn't even a Wii U title anymore and is a dual-system release, great move Nintendo. I mean, I feel bad for people looking forward to Zelda, because the NX launch is preventing the Wii U version from coming out this year. That is a massive game and outside of a decent series of games from early this year to maybe late summer this year, the Wii U has nothing.
I could go into detail about what they could of done to show off the NX and stuff but many of you guys did a great job with that already
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My main point is, only showing Zelda on Wii U's when gamers cannot play this until the new system is out, is a very strange game to focus on honestly.
I mean, its NOT like they have nothing to show for themselves this year. We got two more upcoming Wii U games and this could be a great place to show why people should be interested in Color Splash (as people already hate it for not being Thousand Year Door 2.....and I'm not in the camp, but not too thrilled about it being a Sticker Star sequel either) and make a big deal about Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, MAINLINE Pokemon and a number of SEGA titles coming out on 3DS.
But.....no, you only focus on a game that isn't even a Wii U title anymore and is a dual-system release, great move Nintendo. I mean, I feel bad for people looking forward to Zelda, because the NX launch is preventing the Wii U version from coming out this year. That is a massive game and outside of a decent series of games from early this year to maybe late summer this year, the Wii U has nothing.
I could go into detail about what they could of done to show off the NX and stuff but many of you guys did a great job with that already
. My main point is, only showing Zelda on Wii U's when gamers cannot play this until the new system is out, is a very strange game to focus on honestly.
Candescence
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As I said, not a bad thing, I love both Zelda and the Soulsborne games to death, and I really wish Sony and From could just remaster Demons Souls for PS4 already.
Gamer @ Heart
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Why won't someone tell Nintendo games can only announced at e3?
Why won't they play by the rules and announce shit when we demand it be announced, GDI.
Fucking doomed.
Why won't they play by the rules and announce shit when we demand it be announced, GDI.
Fucking doomed.
Yeah, they "opted" to show nothing. Like they "opted" to delay Zelda from 2016 to 2017 despite being already ready to be shown at E3.
There's not nonsensical, they don't have an NX to show now or in June. That's the true. If it's nonsensical, address that to Nintendo, they did this great planning.
Dark Cloud
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Lmao I'm crying
That being said, if they only released Dark Souls in 2011 and nothing since, I'd be TOTALLY ok with that.
These games are just PACKED with content. I feel like I could explore that world forever. Not the same with Skyward Sword or Twilight Princess, which is why it's so annoying that it takes them so long to make a new 3D Zelda every time. With Dark Souls, I'd actually have something to play for that 5 year wait. Not the case with 3D Zelda anymore.
- You ended the conference with Nintendo Land?? Really?? This fucking company
- They brought Fucking Donkey Kong to VGAs, does Nintendo have a clue??
Basically, Nintendo's games no longer overlap with the general E3 audience and NX won't be any different. It's like bringing Wii Fit / Angry Birds to E3 when exposure clearly won't convert into sales in the case of these games.
BluePikmin11
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Not surprising, I have high expectations for Zelda NX then.
MoogleWizard
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I agree, they need to find a way to make these games faster, I just didn't like the comparison to Souls
Long dev times is something Nintendo has for many of their big games actually. 3D Marios take a long time to make, too. Many of their big franchises only get one game per system. This is I think a combination of long dev times and business decisions (avoid fatigue, avoid splitting player bases for games with multi player). But I agree, it would be great if Zelda ( and some others, 3D Mario, Animal Crossing eg) could release more frequently.
Luckydog
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Just because Twitch streamers watched doesnt make E3 relevent to who Nintendo is trying to reach or make the cost value prop good for them. I have no idea who they are trying to reach, but by whiffing on the last E3 before the launch of their console, I think that clearly says how valuable E3 is to them. And to the many other companies who have just been pulling out of E3.
Is it?
I mean, right now, in the year 2016, is it?
If Nintendo actually went through and pulled a Space World 2016, do you think E3 would still have been a larger opportunity to introduce NX to the world? Or would a dedicated 100% Nintendo only showing with all eyes on them potentially bring in more attention?
Who knows what the fuck Nintendo has planned, but saying they're not showing it because they "can't" show seems reductive.
Calm waterfall
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Even if Nintendo did not have a single game ready to show, they should have showed up. Do you know anything about partnerships with third parties? How would Nintendo build better relationship with third parties if they don´t have conference to show what games coming to their new hardware? Having a conference at E3 is also about strengthening third party relations, especially when the majority of third party games ignores Nintendo hardware.
What a reductive kind of thinking. First of all, they had problems developing the WiiU because it was an HD console. Secondly, both their handheld and their console should be more powerful than their previous iteration, which mean s larger development teams, larger budgets and larger time to develop games. They were unprepared to deal with HD in 2012, when all western developers went to the same trouble i 2006-2007. It´s not what they have to show me that is ready. It is about showing their vision of the future of their console, handheld and games. Not announcing their console prior to E3 and then showing games for said console at E3 is huge wasted opportunity. Sony and MS did the same thing. Even if Nintendo delayed the launch they should have absolutely done this. Sony did it, and we see how many delays all their games have. It´s about projecting your future vision to the consumer. But please continue to be ignorant about marketing realities, and gauging consumer interest, and of course building better relationship with third parties.
Yes, they're literally bringing one game to the biggest media event in the industry cause reasons.
So they went back in time and killed themselves?
Someone call up hollywood, I got a new movie idea to pitch to them
See, that wasn't so hard.
And honestly, I don't think this Zelda was delayed to 2017 for technical reasons. With it being ready to show at E3 for a whole day, I can imagine it would've been ready to ship this year. But you know, NX and all that mess.
I don't think they missed it intentionally. I assume they don't want to announce the system with nothing but a nintendoland equivalent and aren't ready to show other stuff yet. So they either risk a mediocre reveal with a lot of eyes on it (wii u reveal version 2.0) or they have a solid reveal with less (but still a lot) of eyes on it.
Assuming that nx has a solid reveal later, of course. They're setting themselves up for that and they need to follow through or a lot of people will now be disappointed. It's the only thing that makes sense to your fans if you SKIP E3. If you skip E3 you must have a good reason to do so.
WouldYouKindly
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Jesus just put a bullet in all your fans heads already
This meme needs to stop
LOL
"since a company as big as NINTENDO is lessening their presence at the big show, obviously that means the big show means less now than ever"
there's no way Nintendo is in the wrong here. right? right?
JetSetRadio
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Just saw a vacancy, looking for one of the big three.
How do you plan on justifying this? Nintendo's E3 2015 show was badly received even by some hardcore Nintendo fans and that was all on Nintendo.
BroodShadow
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I'm so apathetic towards nintendo now that this does not even come as a surprise.
There's really no reason for them to not show the system at E3 and then show it a month later in July, so July's out.
The Olympics are August 5th - 21st so they're likely going to avoid most of August.
They're going to want to reveal before/during Tokyo Game Show (starts Sept 15th) so their third party partners can announce stuff coming to NX there.
So any Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday between August 23rd and September 15th would be my guess.
SunBroDave
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The week of E3 is the most important marketing opportunity of the year. All eyes are on the gaming industry this week, even including many people outside the industry.
How am I obtuse, when you're the one bringing up fights that barely happen in the game?
in any case the meaning is ''poor/bad quality'', and this is not the case. hence what I said about the clueless buzzwords thrown around
all their games have technical issues (mostly on consoles), yes, but that's about it. often glitchy? It didn't seem more glitchy than the average game. ''baffling mechanical design'' ?? poise works with weapon arts, for once. and even if it was broken it's hardly a reason good enough to call the entire game 'janky'.
Labrynian Rebel
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