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[Hasney]

How does it mean nothing? The [H] article clearly states non-FE cards will be available on launch day. They may not be coming from EVGA, but other AIBs will have them.

"Yes, availability for 1080 for FE and partner cards is slated for May 27th." - that was the quote given to them by Nvidia.

Yeah, by NVidia. They're allowed to start selling them, but I bet NVidoa didn't give them enough lead time to produce it which is why the first one to market looks like its going to be that weird clown one that has a knockoff reference design without the cape chamber.

Everyone else is going to need a little more time to get it right.

 

[Piggus]

Where did I say June? I only said at launch. And that's not speculation.

Go back and read the post you responded to. I was responding to someone who said only FE cards would be available in June.

 

[Daishogun]

Said it before in another thread, but Galax have shown off their own 599 card. Has a simple blower looking fan, and will probably go for 599.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52082/galax-unveils-geforce-gtx-1080-blower-style-cooler/index.html

It does mention that official unveiling is at computex, but it may well be available on May 27 anyway.

 

[Phawx]

How does it mean nothing? The [H] article clearly states non-FE cards will be available on launch day. They may not be coming from EVGA, but other AIBs will have them.

"Yes, availability for 1080 for FE and partner cards is slated for May 27th." - that was the quote given to them by Nvidia.

Because it's PR spin. If Nvidia proclaims that AIBs are more than welcome to launch non-fe cards, but only FE cards exist, then Nvidia gets to let people to continue to assume they can get a 1080 for $600.

If none of the AIB meet launch with a non-FE card, well... it's not Nvidia's fault, right?

Go back and read the post you responded to. I was responding to someone who said only FE cards would be available in June.

Ah, I see. Agreed there is nothing concrete after the card launches. Apologies.

 

[Mrbob]

So shouldn't we be pricing this card at $699 for reviews. 599 vs 699 is a big difference when trying to compare price with performance. This is starting to remind me of the 20GB PS3 (Or maybe the $399 PSVR).

Looking at how Nvidia stock has doubled in the past year this is just Nvidia trying to keep shareholder's happy at the expense of the consumer. Can't let that stock price tumble.

I can't think of any games coming out from now until next March that I really want to play with newer hardware. My 980Ti will be fine until then!

You have a 980 TI brah, you don't need a new card right now. Might as well wait for the 1100 series. At the very least the 1080Ti

 

[ZOONAMI]

Damn, I dont see why it's not a benchmark worthy title...it was VRAM heavy (mostly due to bad optimization) and could totally benefit from 2gb vs 4gb cards and would probably benefit greatly from the 8gb of the GTX1080 at 4k or at 1080p with AA

Mainly just that very few people are probably still playing it, so it's kind of irrelevant for benchmarks? Watch dogs 2 is around the corner.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

No single GPU 4K means I sit this one out.

GTX 780 is killing me.

 

[Self_Destructive]

So I wonder what the price will be in Canadian $$$

I'm scared to think... and so is my wallet...

 

[Stabby McSter]

No single GPU 4K means I sit this one out.

GTX 780 is killing me.

That's how I feel. I think I'm still gonna get a 1080 and then sell it whenever the 1080Ti or whatever comes out.

 

[Celcius]

hard to resist the 1080 when the digital foundry video shows it literally twice as fast as my 780 Ti

 

[BigTnaples]

No single GPU 4K means I sit this one out.

GTX 780 is killing me.

I mean, if you are okay with 30 FPS, this card does 4K perfectly on just about every single game out there...

 

[JayVoDaLord]

Blah,Blah wake me when NVIDIA have a GPU card that can auto SLI when two cards are connected during a game and push pass 45fps in 4k ,like in the 60fps + on 4k.

Then I'll open my wallet for a new PC Build. The 1080 is just letting be comfortable VR competition.

 

[blastprocessor]

I reckon the 1060 or 1070 will do me fine for 1440p gaming so await the benchmarks for the 1070.

 

[hohoXD123]

Mainly just that very few people are probably still playing it, so it's kind of irrelevant for benchmarks? Watch dogs 2 is around the corner.

Doubt many people are playing AC Unity yet that's used quite often for benchmarks, heck probably even more so than Syndicate.

 

[Piggus]

Ah, I see. Agreed there is nothing concrete after the card launches. Apologies.

No prob!

 

[Sky Chief]

Which amazes me really.

First we had a pretty significant amount of people stating that the stats Nvidia was spouting was off and that the slides they showed were all bullshit and such. That there is no way a 1080 could meet or exceed the 980ti or Titan X. We had another group that was saying that it might be possible, we need to wait for reviews benchmarks.

We now have this data and yet some act as if it still not enough. As a owner of 2 Titan X cards these 1080's being more powerful than my cards is extremely impressive, yet some of you are glossing it over like it is no big deal. I just don't get it. Many were saying wait for benchmarks that will tell the real story, well the benchmarks seem to validate Nvidia's claims in some applications the benchmarks proved to be more impressive.

Not saying everyone here is bitching, but seems odd that there are those that are discounting this card as nothing special considering how it is destroying the performance of card that sells for $1,000.00 and that is a stock card. What will happen when vendors add a second 8pin power plug and better regulators?

It is am impressive card, more than many are giving it credit for.

It's good but it's not amazing. The 980Ti came out almost a year ago and beat the Titan X in gaming for $350 less than the Titan X and $50 less than the FE 1080. The 1080 is faster but the FE is overpriced and has a shitty cooling and power delivery system that is significantly limiting the performance that we should be seeing. As impressive as the 1080 seems and should be the FE is just a huge fucking joke and nothing but price gouging. It's really souring the opinion of myself and a lot of other people.

EDIT: I have a highly overclocked 980Ti that I bought for ~$650 ($50 less than 1080 FE) MONTHS ago and has performance almost on par with the 1080 FE. The fact that the cooling and power delivery on the 1080 FE is so lacking means that it doesn't OC very well so my 980Ti is still very competitive and was cheaper and I've been enjoying its power for months.

When good custom 1080s come out with adequate cooling and power delivery and the proper price (hopefully, still don't quite believe we'll see $599 with all the right features) then things will be different but right now it's just not that impressive and basically a total bullshit business move from Nvidia.

 

[HowZatOZ]

Now the hard choice of whether to buy a 1070 or 1080. Either one will be a massive update from my 770.

 

[Enter Here]

When do these go on sale, or pre-sale?

 

[Unstable]

What do you have and what performance are you expecting out of 3440x1440? A single 980TI should be plenty, and the 1080 is even better than that. Why would you need 2 cards?

I have a Predator x34, so 3440x1440 @ 100Hz. I currently have a single 980Ti my rig (EVGA Classified) Most recent AAA games I can get acceptable performance (45-60) FPS So no, a single GTX 980Ti isn't "plenty" (I guess it depends on personal standards for performance). Simply, I can absolutely put more GPU horsepower to good use.

 

[roadrunn3r]

So shouldn't we be pricing this card at $699 for reviews. 599 vs 699 is a big difference when trying to compare price with performance. This is starting to remind me of the 20GB PS3 (Or maybe the $399 PSVR).

Pcper actually has performance per dollar graphs including both FE and normal editions.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

I mean, if you are okay with 30 FPS, this card does 4K perfectly on just about every single game out there...

It's been a long time coming for 4K/60FPS.

I can't help but feel like if there were any real competition this cycle would look way different than it does. As a 780 owner I feel like I've gotten shafted by Nvidia dropping support for my GPU like a ton of bricks. The only thing stopping me from switching to AMD at this point is that I've got money into a GSync monitor.

 

[K' Dash]

It's been a long time coming for 4K/60FPS.

I can't help but feel like if there were any real competition this cycle would look way different than it does. As a 780 owner I feel like I've gotten shafted by Nvidia dropping support for my GPU like a ton of bricks. The only thing stopping me from switching to AMD at this point is that I've got money into a GSync monitor.

Trying to find info on Nvidia dropping Kepler support but can't find anything concrete, can you elaborate please?

 

[Bony Manifesto]

The only thing stopping me from switching to AMD at this point is that I've got money into a GSync monitor.

Surely the main thing stopping you from switching to AMD is that they don't have a card that can meet your 4K/60fps requirement either...

 

[neurosisxeno]

It's been a long time coming for 4K/60FPS.

I can't help but feel like if there were any real competition this cycle would look way different than it does. As a 780 owner I feel like I've gotten shafted by Nvidia dropping support for my GPU like a ton of bricks. The only thing stopping me from switching to AMD at this point is that I've got money into a GSync monitor.

Nvidia isn't holding back because AMD doesn't compete--because they actually do--they are somewhat confined to what their Manufacturing partners can actually accomplish. Their line of GPU's is the first high performance consumer product manufactured on TSMC's 16nm FinFET process. Prior to that they were holding out for a 20/22nm process that never panned out, and were stuck on 28nm. Most of Nvidia's woe's end up being more to do with other companies than their own desires. They had to start using the 104's for x80 cards because it wasn't profitable for them to shove 100's out right away considering how bad the yields were--once the yields got better they pushed out a new line with the 100/110's at the top.

Also, it's worth noting, the only AMD GPU's near release are intended to be mid-range parts (470 and 480) and will likely greatly underperfrom compared to the GTX 1080, and probably even the GTX 1070. Also, as posted above, the Price/Performance on the GTX 1080 is actually pretty good considering how expensive it is.

Trying to find info on Nvidia dropping Kepler support but can't find anything concrete, can you elaborate please?

Nvidia launched Gameworks which takes advantage of a lot of features only available on Maxwell cards, so Kepler cards feel to the wayside. It's not a huge issue, as apparent by the fact that GK110 cards are still competitive with the 970 and even 390.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Fuck it. If the rumored new Xbox isn't bad ass then I'm building a PC. I should maybe go ahead and start ordering components, because looking at these benchmarks I'm seriously impressed.

What do you guys think the 1080 will cost in a year? Roughly 600?

How is the 1070 expected to pair up? And what's the estimate cost of it in a year or so?

 

[Renekton]

I reckon the 1060 or 1070 will do me fine for 1440p gaming so await the benchmarks for the 1070.

I am not sure 1060/1070 is sufficient for consistent 1440p locked 60fps.

 

[neurosisxeno]

What do you guys think the 1080 will cost in a year? Roughly 600?

How is the 1070 expected to pair up? And what's the estimate cost of it in a year or so?

It will probably be down at $499-$549 in a years time. Odds are Nvidia releases a 1080 Ti in the Fall/Winter at $649-$699 and knocks the 1070 and 1080 down a bit. They have done this with the 700 and 900 series.

I imagine the 1070 will be just above the 980 Ti in terms of performance given the 1080 clears the 980 Ti by 25-30%, it would make sense that the 1070 at least meets the 980 Ti in performance.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

No single GPU 4K means I sit this one out.

GTX 780 is killing me.

This is why I plan to stick with 1080p for another couple of years.

 

[Bboy AJ]

The reports of having to wait until July or August for a reasonably priced card is such crap. Damn. I hate monopolies so much.

AMD save us pls

 

[Blastoise]

Not gonna be an early adopter on this.

But it is a great time for me to build a PC (finally). Hopefully by October.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

when it becomes really exciting is when reviews comparing every non-reference model against each other drop on the same day that they go on sale and you are rushing through the reviews to purchase something before they go out of stock.

 

[Andronicus]

after seeing this i'm waiting for evga to add this to the step up...i bought a 980ti ftw in april & i have until july 5th....

 

[Beerman462]

What are the chances that card sales are disappointing because of the FE card shit and they have to drop prices.

 

[roadrunn3r]

What are the chances that card sales are disappointing because of the FE card shit and they have to drop prices.

Based on the past, none I suppose. These will be hard to find for a while at least.

 

[Gormenghast]

I imagine the 1070 will be just above the 980 Ti in terms of performance given the 1080 clears the 980 Ti by 25-30%, it would make sense that the 1070 at least meets the 980 Ti in performance.

The gap between the 1070 and 1080 is supposed to be bigger than the gap between the 980 Ti and the 1080, so no?

Of course wait a year or two and the 1070 will be much better than a 980Ti due to drivers obsolescence. But not at release.

 

[Beerman462]

Based on the past, none I suppose. These will be hard to find for a while at least.

Looking back at the 980/970 it looks like it took a month for cards to be reliably be in stock and the 980 sold for between $549 and $599. The 970 from $330 to $409. Anyone that buys a FE edition should know exactly what they are getting into. I think we could get $599 1080s and $380 970s within a month.

http://vrworld.com/2014/10/24/nvidias-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-launch-one-month-later/

 

[ZOONAMI]

The gap between the 1070 and 1080 is supposed to be bigger than the gap between the 980 Ti and the 1080, so no?

Yeah given the bus size difference, 980 ti with an OC is an 8+ tflop part. Don'the think an OCd 1070 will be better than an ocd 980 ti.

You do get 2 extra gigs of vram though, which is valuable.

 

[Beerman462]

Yeah given the bus size difference, 980 ti with an OC is an 8+ tflop part. Don'the think an OCd 1070 will be better than an ocd 980 ti.

You do get 2 extra gigs of vram though, which is valuable.

2.5 gigs /snark

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I wish I could read German because that Computerbase.de review seems the most thorough of the bunch. Plus they slammed an Arctic Cooling Accelero IV on theirs for OC benchmarks!

The reports of having to wait until July or August for a reasonably priced card is such crap. Damn. I hate monopolies so much.

AMD save us pls

AMD can't even save themselves. To believe they can save the Royal Us is probably outside all reasonable expectations of faith at this point. Especially since Polaris isn't even planned to be a competitor for the top shelf this year.

 

[neurosisxeno]

The gap between the 1070 and 1080 is supposed to be bigger than the gap between the 980 Ti and the 1080, so no?

Of course wait a year or two and the 1070 will be much better than a 980Ti due to drivers obsolescence. But not at release.

A lot of people thought the 1080 would barely edge out the 980 Ti, and it blew it out of the water. Given the revelation that it's using GDDR5 rather than 5X and its CUDA Core count, it should be near the 980 Ti (reference to reference). That still leaves it at a 25-30% gap, but we're looking at a 980 Ti for ~$400 which is a decent value (considering the cards are still regularly $550).

 

[opticalmace]

I wish I could read German because that Computerbase.de review seems the most thorough of the bunch. Plus they slammed an Arctic Cooling Accelero IV on theirs for OC benchmarks!

Google translate?

 

[Resolution]

Yeah i was going to go for a 1070 at first but now i want the 1080. I'll wait for the custom msi 1080.

 

[Rendition]

How cheap do you guys think new and used 970s will get after the 1080/1070 launches?

I have a 1900x1200 monitor, so don't really need the Pascal power. But a 970 will be a tasty upgrade for my 760 card.

 

[Gormenghast]

How cheap do you guys think new and used 970s will get after the 1080/1070 launches?

I have a 1900x1200 monitor, so don't really need the Pascal power. But a 970 will be a tasty upgrade for my 760 card.

The 770s never really got cheaper when the 970 landed. They just went out of the market entirely.

The sanest thing would be to wait for AMD or the 1060.

 

[roadrunn3r]

According to TechPowerUp revealed specs, the 1070 should have 1,920 Cores so 25% cut from the 1080 and a lower boost clock (1600 MHz). Compared to the 980 vs 970 that is a bigger difference (25% vs 20%), still IMO should come close to 980Ti performance and surpass it in newer games and driver optimizations.

 

[Shadowheart]

Noob question incoming: Do you know if a 1070 will fit in my motherboard? I am assuming if the 1070 is a PCI-Express 16 then it would. No?

This is my motheboard:

I did a quick google and couldn't find find the answer.
Because if I need a new mobo, then I definitely need to change my 1156 socket CPU and... maybe the RAM and PSU as well.

 

[Renekton]

Noob question incoming: Do you know if a 1070 will fit in my motherboard? I am assuming if the 1070 is a PCI-Express 16 then it would. No?

This is my motheboard:
http://i.imgur.com/XTayv7W.jpg

I did a quick google and couldn't find find the answer.

That's just 16 number of lanes.

You only need 4 so it's sufficient.

 

[mboojigga]

As expected good card but not an upgrade for myself from a 980Ti. Will wait on the Ti or until a card not SLI can average 60fps or above on its own then I will upgrade.

 

[dr_rus]

Yea but judging by the OC results of reference designs, I imagine we'll easily see AIB versions OCed 10-15%, with the SC variants being upwards of 20%, which makes it a (probably) $625-700 card that outperforms even AIB 980 Ti's by 20%. That's not too bad honestly.

That's what I'm waiting for. Reference to reference it's ~+30% in my resolution. If that gap will be bigger between my 980Ti G1 (which is 980Ti+15% basically) and a factory OC 1080 then I might cave, if it will be smaller I'll probably just wait for GP102 cards.

The gap between the 1070 and 1080 is supposed to be bigger than the gap between the 980 Ti and the 1080, so no?

Of course wait a year or two and the 1070 will be much better than a 980Ti due to drivers obsolescence. But not at release.

That "driver obsolescence" thingie doesn't exist in the real world. And beyond that Pascal is Maxwell in pretty much every metric sans one DX12 feature where Pascal is one tier above Maxwell. So nothing should happen to Maxwell which won't affect Pascal as well.

2.5 gigs /snark

980Ti has 6GB of VRAM.

 

[manny10032]

Considering the relative rush of people trying to sell their 980ti's, what do you think I could reasonably grab one for? I was going to get the 1070, but it seems like performance will be relatively similar.

I got a Asus Strix 980ti for 435+ shipping from ebay today