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Jose Mourinho to take over Manchester United

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Audioboxer

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Yeah, his last part season at Chelsea was very entertaining on the pitch.

Chelsea have continued like that even after he left. Hazard has been a ghost all season apart from a few games. The problems at Chelsea run deeper right now than just JM.

Costa may have talent but he's morphed into the biggest crybaby player in the League. Unsure if you'll see him at Chelsea next season.

Aguero is the best striker in the league in my opinion and he's nowhere near as whiney as Costa. I know Vardy and Kane have been outstanding but I'd still say Aguero is world class.
 
Chelsea have continued like that even after he left. Hazard has been a ghost all season apart from a few games. The problems at Chelsea run deeper right now than just JM.

Costa may have talent but he's morphed into the biggest crybaby player in the League. Unsure if you'll see him at Chelsea next season.

Aguero is the best striker in the league in my opinion and he's nowhere near as whiney as Costa. I know Vardy and Kane have been outstanding but I'd still say Aguero is world class.

I think we'd rather he stayed, his form under Hiddink showed his importance to the team. Plus there's not really many viable replacements out there.

In regards to Mou going Utd, as a Chelsea fan I'm sad. Knew it was coming for a while but now that it's pretty much confirmed it's finally dawned upon. Also I think he'll be back to the old Mou. My biggest complaint with Mourinho's return to begin with was the fact he didn't take time out. All the biggest managers do it, Pep, Klopp (Mou himself after leaving Chelsea initially), it gives you time to reassess yourself and the game. Also the toxicity from the end of his Real tenure carried into his Chelsea reign, something that wouldn't have happened with a break imo.
 

faridmon

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The way Mourinho have conducted himself leading to this appointment been disgraceful. He may be a quality manager (actually he is, Man United will win things now) but his comments over the past two months were appalling. Almost forcing himself to get the Man United Manager seat.

Its almost he doesn't feel any responsibility for falling out with his old medical staff or making a regaining champions play like logs.
 

Danchi

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I think that the Mourinho plays boring football thing is way overblown.

In his first spell at Chelsea he played with fast wingers who attacked the full-back and countered well (Duff and Robben) and he did the same at Real Madrid (save for the Barca games). In fact, looking at the tables, in his first two seasons at Chelsea they scored 72 goals which is more than anyone did this year (for the sake of comparison Man Utd scored 49 this season).

Even at Inter I kinda enjoyed the catenaccio-style he employed in Champions League (I like watching Atletico Madrid do the same, though, so maybe that's just me).

I agree that his "everyone against us" shtick with the media has gotten pretty dull though.
 
The way Mourinho have conducted himself leading to this appointment been disgraceful. He may be a quality manager (actually he is, Man United will win things now) but his comments over the past two months were appalling. Almost forcing himself to get the Man United Manager seat.

What are you talking about? Did I miss some comments he made?
 

Uzzy

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Pretty telling that only an hour after United with their first trophy since Sir Alex, with a local lad thrashing in an extra time winner while we're down to 10 men, one of Jose's creatures leaks this and ensures that all the discussion becomes about him and only him.

Guess we're on the Jose show now. I just hope that our youth players actually get some playing time, our medical staff don't get fired for doing their jobs, and our press conferences don't revolve around Jose insulting opposition managers, our own players, our own staff. At a minimum, I hope we avoid seeing Jose poke staff in the eye. That'd be nice.
 

jelly

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Totally classless from the Mourinho camp. I think Van Gaal has been shite and should go but let the man and club enjoy the cup win for a few days at least.

As for Mourinho at Man U, hope he grows up and acts with dignity and uses the youth set up to bring on players for once and doesn't act like a complete tool like he always does. I hope Man U board have some balls and don't let him run riot, show some class.
 

faridmon

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I'm still waiting on the source of these 'comments' he's made and his conduct over the past 2 months. Nothing in your link supports your post. In every interview, he's been nothing but respectful of Van Gaal and has kept quiet over the links to the United job. So what are these supposed appalling comments?

So him doing a ''gentleman agreement'' behind Van Gaal's back and constantly linking himself to be te next manager is not appalling enough?

and despite all of those actions, you think he is still respectful towards Van Gaal?

Some Cognitive Dissonance you have got there.

Its OK, because thats the manager you wanted after all.
 

kharma45

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So him doing a ''gentleman agreement'' behind Van Gaal's back and constantly linking himself to be te next manager is not appalling enough?

and despite all of those actions, you think he is still respectful towards Van Gaal?

Some Cognitive Dissonance you have got there.

Its OK, because thats the manager you wanted after all.

You can't prove he's done that.
 
So him doing a ''gentleman agreement'' behind Van Gaal's back and constantly linking himself to be te next manager is not appalling enough?

and despite all of those actions, you think he is still respectful towards Van Gaal?

Some Cognitive Dissonance you have got there.

Its OK, because thats the manager you wanted after all.

So you really do have no actual sources to back up these 'appalling comments' or proof that he's been linking himself to the job. Good one.

Mourinho has been linked to the job since SAF left, Van Gaal has been linked to the sack since he made the team shit, Pep was linked to the job before he decided and there are no real viable managers out there and wow, look at that, I'm a journalist and 2+2 really does equal 4.

As for the "gentleman agreement', yeah that's how it works. No manager in their right mind would insist on forgoing pre-contract talks in the pursuit of looking good. Every manager would do that. The point is Mou did not undermine Van Gaal in public or making undermining remarks, like you implied he actively did. But you can carry on with whatever agenda you have or making up baseless accusations.
 
So you really do have no actual sources to back up these 'appalling comments' or proof that he's been linking himself to the job. Good one.

Mourinho has been linked to the job since SAF left, Van Gaal has been linked to the sack since he made the team shit, Pep was linked to the job before he decided and there are no real viable managers out there and wow, look at I'm a journalist and 2+2 really does equal 4.

As for the "gentleman agreement', yeah that's how it works. No manager in their right mind would insist on forgoing pre-contract talks in the pursuit of looking good. Every manager would do that.

Lmao

Van Gaal made the team shit? Your beloved Fergeson set up the team for 1 last title run and said fuck it and good bye after that.

Blaming Van Gaal for how shit your team is, is being short sighted.
 
Lmao

Van Gaal made the team shit? Your beloved Fergeson set up the team for 1 last title run and said fuck it and good bye after that.

Blaming Van Gaal for how shit your team is, is being short sighted.

Van Gaal cleared the deadweight. Then his team regressed between his first season and second season despite him spending more and having more time with the team. So yeah, he did make the team shit.
 

holygeesus

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Solid post. I think people just love pushing tired old meme without ever analysing or watching the football.

Not always. I've watched every Chelsea game over the last two seasons, and frankly, we only played decent entertaining football, for the first half of his first season back. Fortunately, we started so well, that the title was still won with an ordinary back half of the season, but that poor standard continued into the start of this, and that is where the rot set in.

I have been a season ticket holder since I was like 11, so have seen the ups and the (very) downs, and as every fan will acknowledge, we owe Jose' a lot, but his style of grinding out results, when things are against you, looks very bad when it doesn't work. If United fans are on LGV's back after the season they have just had, it will be interesting to see how they react if the results follow suit.
 

longdi

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JM will probably send rashford out to newcastle on loan before selling him for 8m.
He will turn martial into boring player, always tracking back, and blames him for not doing so when the team runs into a bad patch.
Then he will buy some poor buys that are boring with the ball, but good at tracking back.

2 has-been coming together, i am fine with that. :)
 

Empty

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bit conflicted. i basically loath mourinho and have spent years moaning about his horrible presence in football. now he's our manager. i'd much prefer getting in a manager of the profile of pochettino, tuchel, emery and giving them time to build a team than him. however, some points:

mourinho's madrid team in 2011-12 was incredible to watch, one of my favourite sides of the last decade or so. (just watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf0tVCs2xFQ). but i'm not so sure how much of this was the institutional pressure at madrid that he eventually collapsed under forcing him to play with verve.

the squad is severly lacking in quality despite loads and loads of investment. just look at the absolute state of that fa cup final team. it's poverty. mourinho nearly always buys quality players (often so much so that he can't find space for all of them and stupidly sells class players like de bruyne) and has a fantastic eye for particular weaknesses in the team and combinations of players.

the obsession with mourinho's lack of suitability given manchester united youth philosophy is largely just pompous self-mythologizing based around the busby babes (from an era that isn't even remotely relevant to modern game) and the class of 1992 which was just an incredibly lucky black swan moment for the club. since then despite the stability and willingness of ferguson, the players have been mediocre-decent squad players and the genuine class young players have all been purchased in their late teens after developing elsewhere (rooney, ronaldo, de gea).

i still hate him but i'm at least glad we finally have someone of proper talent in this club. it's run by incompetents from the hopeless ceo to the fucking security team and at least mourinho's force of personality can potentially overcome that, whereas a talented manager with a long plan would likely never get off the ground in these circumstances. the kind of cuttthroat ruthlessness that has you make your predecessor's cup victory all about you by briefing the media moments after the win is maybe what we need running the club.
 

DBT85

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Lmao

Van Gaal made the team shit? Your beloved Fergeson set up the team for 1 last title run and said fuck it and good bye after that.

Blaming Van Gaal for how shit your team is, is being short sighted.

I'll happily agree that Frog left a flaming turd on the doorstep and ran away. Nobody can deny that. Moyes left it burning too.

The best thing Gaal has done is have a clear out that was needed for bloody years. Of all who have left only Chicha and Rafael I'd like to have stayed.

But, the team's gotten worse after spending all that money, players are clearly out of position and scared to go off script, and the script is dire.

Mou is a cunt when he wants to be but right now he's the cunt the team needs. I just hope he doesn't go completely bananas again.
 

Audioboxer

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Van Gaal cleared the deadweight. Then his team regressed between his first season and second season despite him spending more and having more time with the team. So yeah, he did make the team shit.

Van Gaal went too far. Selling Hernandez was a great move given his goal scoring this season, plus our utter lack of goals. Even Van Persie could have done better than we did. The striker we did buy, Martial, gets used as a winger/inside forward.

He then bought multiple holding midfielders, and utterly alienated Di Maria. Although Di Maria had some issues himself. Still though just showed an ego and talent like that clashes with LvG.

As for all the JM parking the bus comments. Did such commentators not follow Man Utd this season? Lowest league goal scoring tally for us, most back passes and in most games lucky to have ONE shot on target in the first 45 minutes. Watching the 1st half of Man Utd games has been the most boring thing in a long time. Worse than any other prem league "top team" I've seen in I don't know how many years.

Van Gaal then has the comment to not say it's parking the bus, but part of the philosophy or "look at our possession"... which we do fuck all with.

Some rose tinted glasses needed to moan at Mourinho parking the bus when we currently have Van Gaal.
 

faridmon

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Van Gaal did play drab football though, don't see how Mou is gonna be worse. A cunt, but he knows what he is doing.

Next season is gonna be exciting with so many top managers coming in. Wonder how good Wenger is gonna cope with that. Top 4 might not be as easily attainable.
 

Audioboxer

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Van Gaal did play drab football though, don't see how Mou is gonna be worse. A cunt, but he knows what he is doing.

Next season is gonna be exciting with so many top managers coming in. Wonder how good Wenger is gonna cope with that. Top 4 might not be as easily attainable.

Shock horror as a Man Utd fan I actually quite like watching Arsenal play on occassion. Play some pretty football. They lack a clinical striker though, and have done since the good days of Bergkamp and Henry. Wenger is going to have a nightmare though next season with the scrutiny and manager fighting. The Prem League is going to be full of strong animated managers. Mind games galore.

He needs to get back to his old days of the same fighting he showed against Fergie. Often looks like a deer in headlights now when the media attack him, and other managers throw digs at him.
 

DBT85

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Shock horror as a Man Utd fan I actually quite like watching Arsenal play on occassion. Play some pretty football. They lack a clinical striker though, and have done since the good days of Bergkamp and Henry. Wenger is going to have a nightmare though next season with the scrutiny and manager fighting. The Prem League is going to be full of strong animated managers. Mind games galore.

He needs to get back to his old days of the same fighting he showed against Fergie. Often looks like a deer in headlights now when the media attack him, and other managers throw digs at him.

I've liked watching arsenal for years, but frankly since the likes of Keown, Adams and Vieira retired, they've had no balls when it counts.

Playing pretty all the time doesn't cut it in the PL, you need to be able to fuck peoples shit up when the time is right. Something else United are lacking outside of the Fellaini elbow.
 

Audioboxer

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I've liked watching arsenal for years, but frankly since the likes of Keown, Adams and Vieira retired, they've had no balls when it counts.

Playing pretty all the time doesn't cut it in the PL, you need to be able to fuck peoples shit up when the time is right. Something else United are lacking outside of the Fellaini elbow.

I think that's more about having leaders. Players who fizz up, but for the most part manage to just avoid getting a red. I completely disagree with having someone dangerous just to be dangerous for that role as well. Elbows and shock tackles don't count for passion, just carelessness. Fellani is an idiot. Rooney can show it on occasions, but other times just does stupid shit. His lead up to the goal in the cup final was an example of doing it right. Taking a risk driving forward and almost taking the whole team with him.

Arsenal need leaders from the back, besides having lack of world class strikers (I see Sanchez as a gifted midfielder, not striker), their defence is woeful at times. They once had one of the best back lineups in the world, and have dwindled since with average defenders or paper bags with no leadership.

Man Utd totally lack that as well. That's the balance needed even with talented youth, you need leaders and big voices on the park. We've suffered since losing Vidic and Ferdinand. Carrick has always been a gifted player, but totally muted on the field. Even the quiet Scholes managed to grab games by the scruff for the right reasons and drive a team forward. Keane was one of the greats who often got it right with aggression, but also wrong a lot.

I thought Basti could come in as a leader, but injuries galore. As expected I guess. Schneiderlin isn't a leader. For short term Rooney needs to play CM and stay fit. I really want to go back to a 4-4-2. Even when Rooney plays AMC, he sits really deep. Our best bet IMO is going fast wingers and playing through them like the Fergie days. Overlapping fullbacks as well. Mata doesn't really fit into this formation as he's too slow, and not a holding midfielder. Rooney needs to play CM with another strong holding midfielder playing slightly behind him. That let's Rooney progress into AMC when going forward. Almost like a Scholes.

This passing buildup through the middle with LVG has been utter shite. Not helped that when we tried going wide no one could cross the ball worth a fuck, and playing with 1 striker always left a lack of players in and around the box. Put Ibra up front at all times with Martial sitting a bit behind and having a free role to drift wide when needed. He can link midfield to Ibra when needed, especially with his dribbling. We need an upfront goals machine. Doesn't need to be a twinkle toes pretty player, just someone who knows how to bang in chances end of, regardless of how much they pop up during normal play. Rashford is more of a Martial, than a powerful no nonsense striker. I can see them working together in the future but for the next season someone like Ibra would be golden.

That's how I'd try it, but lets see what Mou does.
 

Corto

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José Mourinho will retire from MU two decades from now showered with awards and achievements. A new dynasty begins.
 
Wonder how good Wenger is gonna cope with that. Top 4 might not be as easily attainable.

Depends on what business they do after Xhaka but I think the next season might well be a big Wenger meltdown. Everyone going to be smashing open their war chests as well as bringing in shiny new managers.
 

Audioboxer

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José Mourinho will retire from MU two decades from now showered with awards and achievements. A new dynasty begins.

In all fairness if he works well in these 3 years and doesn't flop I don't see why he wouldn't stay on longer. He's still young enough to go it for a while, unlike LVG who was always leaving after 3 years max. So it's not as if LVG was ever a long term solution anyway. Patching cracks and hopefully leaving the way to Giggs, but Giggs probably hasn't learned shit under LVG, and just isn't ready to try and save this sinking ship just yet.

But yes I know how long Mou tends to be with clubs, but we'll see. We'll see if his pandering to want to manage Man Utd turns into wanting to be a Fergie style legend or not.
 
Van Gaal cleared the deadweight. Then his team regressed between his first season and second season despite him spending more and having more time with the team. So yeah, he did make the team shit.

Oh pls

If something is already shit, you can't make it shit. Now if you said that the adjustments that he made did not deliver the results you hoped for; fair enough. But you can't expect him to fix that bullshit squad left behind by Moyes and SAF within 2 years.

Some players have been developing well, and so he has given the youth a chance. Which was always my biggest problem with Mou at Chelsea. He never gives the young guys a chance, a reason why we lost Lukaku who is now a top striker in the BPL.

Hiddink showed that the young boys with Traore, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy have a lot of potential, who Mou all routinely ignored.
 

Audioboxer

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Oh pls

If something is already shit, you can't make it shit. Now if you said that the adjustments that he made did not deliver the results you hoped for; fair enough. But you can't expect him to fix that bullshit squad left behind by Moyes and SAF within 2 years.

Some players have been developing well, and so he has given the youth a chance. Which was always my biggest problem with Mou at Chelsea. He never gives the young guys a chance, a reason why we lost Lukaku who is now a top striker in the BPL.

Hiddink showed that the young boys with Traore, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy have a lot of potential, who Mou all routinely ignored.

But Moyes and LVG have made it worse, not even slightly better. We performed worse this season than last and this was suppose to be LVGs "prime year". As I said above he signed a 3 year contract confident he could turn it around in that timeframe. He hasn't done enough. He spent 250m and failed. How many clubs get that kind of money to burn? He finished higher with the Moyes "dross" than he did with his own team. Then Fergie won the league with the "bullshit squad" he left...

Also have Chelsea fans all of a sudden forgotten everything JM won at the club doing it his way? Yes I'd like to see a better balance from him with youth, but look at Arsenal. Bringing through youth but winning fuck all. It's such a fine balance needed if you want to win things and not just be heralded the team who has promising young players but never achieves. Leaders are needed and they either come through experience, or matured youth now in mid to late 20's.

Tottenham have one of the most exciting young teams, but totally imploded at the end of the season. Someone should have been kicking fuck out of those players in the dressing room. Robert Huth wouldn't have accepted that.
 
Oh pls

If something is already shit, you can't make it shit. Now if you said that the adjustments that he made did not deliver the results you hoped for; fair enough. But you can't expect him to fix that bullshit squad left behind by Moyes and SAF within 2 years.

Some players have been developing well, and so he has given the youth a chance. Which was always my biggest problem with Mou at Chelsea. He never gives the young guys a chance, a reason why we lost Lukaku who is now a top striker in the BPL.

Hiddink showed that the young boys with Traore, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy have a lot of potential, who Mou all routinely ignored.

Fix? He cleared most of it out and was given new players to work with. Hundreds of millions of pounds worth of new players.

"Given youth a chance". You mean he used the youth team when his starters and their back-ups were ravaged by injuries because of his thin squad and his own transfers were flops? I know Van Gaal gets credited with youth development but let's not over-credit what he did at United. The only sticking point was investing in Martial.

As for Mou, what about Varane, Jese, Morata, Zouma...
 

Audioboxer

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Fix? He cleared most of it out and was given new players to work with. Hundreds of millions of pounds worth of new players.

"Given youth a chance". You mean he used the youth team when his starters and their back-ups were ravaged by injuries because of his thin squad and his own transfers were flops? I know Van Gaal gets credited with youth development but let's not over-credit what he did at United. The only sticking point was investing in Martial.

As for Mou, what about Varane, Jese, Morata, Zouma...

There's a signing I wouldn't mind MU trying for... The French connection from central defence to midfield to forward. Although I'm unsure if Schneiderlin is going to survive.
 

Ken Adams

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But Moyes and LVG have made it worse, not even slightly better. We performed worse this season than last and this was suppose to be LVGs "prime year". As I said above he signed a 3 year contract confident he could turn it around in that timeframe. He hasn't done enough. He spent 250m and failed. How many clubs get that kind of money to burn? He finished higher with the Moyes "dross" than he did with his own team. Then Fergie won the league with the "bullshit squad" he left...

Also have Chelsea fans all of a sudden forgotten everything JM won at the club doing it his way? Yes I'd like to see a better balance from him with youth, but look at Arsenal. Bringing through youth but winning fuck all. It's such a fine balance needed if you want to win things and not just be heralded the team who has promising young players but never achieves. Leaders are needed and they either come through experience, or matured youth now in mid to late 20's.

Tottenham have one of the most exciting young teams, but totally imploded at the end of the season. Someone should have been kicking fuck out of those players in the dressing room. Robert Huth wouldn't have accepted that.

Guys ignore this fool. Call himself the Dutch Patriot let him go jerk off to their 2014 world cup highlights. He prob thinks LVG is the GOAT cos he sub on krul for Cillessen and hasnt watched most of the utd games past 2 seasons. All he wanted was to win another cup in another country, he knew the FA cup was he safest bet.
 

Draconian

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I've always found the "negative football" comments about Mou to be hilarious. Nobody would hate him for it if it weren't an effective strategy that worked more often than not.
 

Audioboxer

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Guys ignore this fool. Call himself the Dutch Patriot let him go jerk off to their 2012 world cup highlights. He prob thinks LVG is the GOAT cos he sub on krul for Cillessen and hasnt watched most of the utd games past 2 seasons. All he wanted was to win another cup in another country, he knew the FA cup was he safest bet.

I wouldn't be that harsh to LVG. I genuinely think he wanted to do well and become a legend. He utterly underestimated the EPL though, and instead of trying to adapt doubled down on his philosophy and used his experience/previous trophies as reason to dig in and say he's doing it right. I kind of liked the guy in pre-match interviews, but showing arrogance only really works when you are performing. Hence his post-match conferences tended to be quite embarrassing.

He got shown up badly though, given that the team that won the EPL, Leicester, also had the worst, if not one of the worst possession stats of the season. I can honestly say as a longtime Fergie watcher I never payed much attention to the possession stat. I'm sure it was fairly high, but what we all watched was most of Fergies teams giving it a go and scoring goals. These past 2 years we've had it drilled into us to constantly pay attention to possession and why that should be the way we play. I mean I guess home games for Fergie might have had high possession but that was mainly because teams feared Man Utd and opted to go counter-attack. Teams still did that against LVG, but not for fear, just to let Man Utd tire themselves with sideways passing and score a 70th minute goal against us to win...
 
Guys ignore this fool. Call himself the Dutch Patriot let him go jerk off to their 2014 world cup highlights. He prob thinks LVG is the GOAT cos he sub on krul for Cillessen and hasnt watched most of the utd games past 2 seasons. All he wanted was to win another cup in another country, he knew the FA cup was he safest bet.

Lmao

Stop talking shit little junior

I'm pretty sure I was just having a discussion before your little shit post.
 

Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
So when does this become official? In other words, when can I start partying that LVG has finally left and has taken "Philosophy" along with him?
 

Ken Adams

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Lmao

Stop talking shit little junior

I'm pretty sure I was just having a discussion before your little shit post.

little junior hahaha. having a discussion hahahaha
BTW what are your plans for euro 2016
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Jarnet87

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So when does this become official? In other words, when can I start partying that LVG has finally left and has taken "Philosophy" along with him?

The reports have said Mendes will be in Manchester to finalize the deal on Tuesday, so we could see LVG fired or resign early this week and Mou named manager.
 
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