DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Pretty much all of this.
And this is in the very same vein as their anti-trust shit they were getting sued for in the past.
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Windows 10 Auto Update Deleted YEARS of Work Without Notice
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Pretty much all of this.
And this is in the very same vein as their anti-trust shit they were getting sued for in the past.
Well yeah think about what you're doing there.
You're using hacks to actively prevent Windows from updating which is never what you want so of course the system is going to correct that.
If you really don't want Windows 10 follow the instructions in the pop-up now you know they're there just buried.
You have to actively keep tabs on it, though. Like if you go a day or two without using your computer with it staying on, you're likely going to get the pop-up in that time and it'll assume no input from you means "yes".
They also keep changing the window.
I'm sure I'm not exaggerating when I say it's probably had 30 different looks by now.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Wilt thou install Windows 10, my lord?
> No.
But thou must.
Theanine3D
Member
MS just backtracked on their adware-like pop-up upgrade scheme. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376962
Even they have realized they fucked up. Glad to see big publications covering this.
Even they have realized they fucked up. Glad to see big publications covering this.
bigmit3737
Member
So it's only a one time thing?
You're making it sound as if I can disable the auto-update while others in this thread making it sound you have to disable it every night before you sleep.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well, well, would you look at that.
"As someone who paid for my software and was perfectly happy with my fully functional Windows 7 machine, this has been an absolute disaster."
The lack of respect for users and their systems is remarkable.
I actually don't know, I upgraded after a while. I assume once you've specifically told it to cancel the update it won't do it. The problem people are having seems to be they're closing the popup thinking that cancels the upgrade but it doesn't, you have to dig through the message and find the actual cancel link.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Sounds the same, with just another pop-up. Closing the notification doesn't prevent the installation.
Crayon
Member
People still say "New Microsoft".
Like... look at this sweet little man. What could possibly go wrong?
I don't know how things work over there but it's becoming obvious that at the very least it's a hard ship to turn around.
The Henery
Member
What the FUCK is this shit? Literally just happened to me 15 minutes ago. Pop up appeared, clicked the X like I've been doing the last 6 months, 5 minutes or so later my computer spontaneously shuts down and begins installing the win 10 update without so much as a pop telling me it would restart like practically every other software update ever. What are my rights as a consumer here? Can I sue? This is fucking outrageous, I thought my PC had been hacked!
Who needs consent when your corporate agenda is top priority. Now hold still, it will only hurt a little ... install of App Store and data mining OS in progress.
Crayon
Member
It's not really your computer, tho. You sort of sign it over to them when you boot windows. They just let you use it. It's like a phone.
Good. Serves those boneheads right.
Oh wow, I didn't even notice the "here" that's been in all the screenshots people have posted until you knocked up this example of it. That's how shitty it is!There is no known universe that anyone can actually defend with a straight face what MS has done here. None.
Let's break it down as simple as possible.
We can all agree that Microsoft was presenting users with a choice. Right?
But a simple breakdown of the composition and the layout shows that in fact they were doing everything they could to assure that person would have a difficult time choosing the No portion of the choice being presented.
First, they buried the No option among lines of text. On it's own away from all other "buttons." It also is just text and not a button. People can try and use the excuse that it is the end users fault for not reading that text but that is bullshit to anyone who works in computers and knows the actions of your typical end user. They absolutely DO NOT read text, and MS was clearly counting on this fact.
Then instead of offering a simple Yes or No choice side by side, instead it was a Yes / Yes choice. And please make note, the one choice they actually wanted people to choose is the only button to be chosen. I mean cmon, seriously. Is that not enough to prove this was intentional?
Finally in way is the most egregious offense of them all, they took what is universally known as the exit of out of the Window and make no choice button to actually be the choice they wanted button.
There is just no excuse for this. Simply none. Anyone trying to say there is just is either blinded by loyalty to MS and/or simply just does not know anything about UI design.
This is as intentional as it gets. It is downright blatant.
This does not sound like a fix at all. Its just an additional pop up. Unless they add a "No" or "Cancel" button nothing has changed. Its obvious that the response to the auto update has been overwhelmingly negative though given the coverage and MS' need to release an official response to the matter but its in no way an actual response to criticism its jsut a PR move.
Monocle
Member
X marks the spot lol! It's like finding a hidden treasure, except the treasure is something you didn't want and clearly rejected with a completely unambiguous action.
Crayon
Member
Theanine3D
Member
This guy would love to help.
Too bad Linux just isn't a viable option for many people yet. I still can't switch to it full time, even though I'd love to. At least in my Gnubuntu and Kubuntu partitions I never have to worry about an automatically scheduled update wiping my drive. -_- Or forced updates, at all.
Coreda
Member
I honestly wonder how those around here who think W10 is the best OS they've ever used can continue to reconcile their view that the OS is problem-free in the face of such user experiences. The list just keeps growing yet apparently it's 'nothingtoseehere.gif' whenever such issues are brought into question merely as it doesn't affect them personally.
mneuro
Member
I think Linux (especially Ubuntu/Mint) is viable for most computer users, they just haven't heard of them or know where to begin trying them.
Crayon
Member
Cortana. XBox app. UUUhhhhhhh Windows store. Start Menu. Uuuuhhhh. Uuuuhhh. You can turn off some of the datalogging. Still runs Steam.
That's more than enough to make it the best OS ever.
Unknown Soldier
Member
People still say "New Microsoft".
Like... look at this sweet little man. What could possibly go wrong?
I don't know how things work over there but it's becoming obvious that at the very least it's a hard ship to turn around.
Satya Nadella is a Microsoft lifer, promoted from within after a very long career with the company (since 1992). He's not there to turn anything around and there's no such thing as "New Microsoft", he's just trying to undo some of the worst excesses of the Ballmer years like the acquisition of Nokia and refocus on where the money is, namely Windows and Office.
Speaking of Windows. Yeah.
Pathfinder
Member
nah, nvm.
My deepest condolences. I can't even imagine what you're going through.Now let me preface this by explaining something: My work laptop has an extra hardrive that was partitioned into a data drive and a windows recovery drive (450gb data as my D: drive and a 30gb Recovery partition designated as Rdue to the very small size of the primary SSD. Its never once given me any issues before and has worked perfectly up until the upgrade today.
I was very diligent about making sure my desktop was no longer in danger of being auto updated to Windows 10 but completely forgot to do the same on my work laptop. After 5 hours or so working away from my desk I sit back down to discover my laptop is now suddenly running windows 10. While annoyed I blame myself for not remembering to disable the update on my laptop.
Thinking the forced upgrade is naught but a mild inconvenience that can easily be remedied I go to load up my work for the week only to discover that my entire 500gb Data drive has now been formatted as a Windows Recovery drive which has resulted in the loss of literally years of work. While I have a back up it is over a year old and was not a full back up of the entire drive due to storage constraints on the network storage here at my place of work Funnily enough it was an issue I was planning to remedy with a archived back up to my Desktop this past weekend only to accidentally forget my laptop at work over the weekend. Go figure right.
Fast forward to a day later and I have tried recovering to Windows 8.1 but the drive remained a single recovery partition and did not revert, I used Recuva to try and salvage my data but was greeted by a mass of corrupted files thanks to the vast majority being docx files which appear to have some kind of copy protection built in that prevents a full recovery. Not a single one of my docx files works but the handful of excel and regular .doc files seem to have restored perfectly. The program also seemed unable to retrieve the Rar archives I had made to transfer to my desktop as a back up. I also tried some recovery tools via an ubuntu install which necessitated a reformatting of my primary drive thanks to some bizarre HDD copy protection/encryption firmware installed on my laptop by Asus. Still no luck. All the essential files that were recovered are still tagged as corrupted when attempting to access them.
I am at a loss here folks. I've tried searching online and users reporting data loss are experiencing data loss in their primary drive without any mention of a reformatting occurring. It seems like the bespoke HDD encryption / protection firmware built into the laptop by Asus that also just so happens to block the installation and booting of Linux distros without a complete reformat of the main drive could also be partly to blame here but again before the update I had no issues with my Data partition whatsoever. Nevertheless regardless of the factors at play here. This reformatting has resulted in the loss of over 250gb of word, excel, and pdf documents representing years of my hard work and I have no foreseeable way of recovering it. I'm looking at months of man hours recreating my lost documents and supporting materials.
So,
******************* WORD OF WARNING *******************
If your recovery partition is not on your main HDD Windows 10 can apparently decide to reformat whichever drive it is on during the auto update process.
I sincerely hope this saves others the misery this has caused me. Please, if you are running a Windows OS that is not Windows 10, for your sake, learn from mistakes and avoid such a devastating loss of data by backing up all your work ASAP.
I posted this on the Windows 10 subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/4ktofs/windows_10_auto_update_deleted_years_of_work/
Holy shit, so many Microsoft shills! It's horrible!
Everyone is saying it's the guy's fault for not making back-ups.
Help me downvote.
Holy shit, so many Microsoft shills! It's horrible!
Everyone is saying it's the guy's fault for not making back-ups.
Help me downvote.
Ahaha "misleading title".
CyanideFuse
Member
Holy fuck, RexNovis. I really feel for you having read through your message. The punch in the gut feeling when data is lost is something I know all too well (thanks shitty Seagate external drive).
Edit:
I am now so paranoid about data loss that I have several drives with backups on.
Edit:
I am now so paranoid about data loss that I have several drives with backups on.
She should typed faster and not scheduled an update when she has important work to do.
According to some people in this thread. Also doesn't actually resolve the issue and instead just adds further annoyance for users.
You are now computering correctly, assuming at least some of the drives are in a different building.
CyanideFuse
Member
Seriously, I have been tempted to give one of the drives to my parents to keep at their house.
I think that you can go into Control Panel -> Programs and Features -> View installed updates and uninstall Update for Windows KB3035583. If you go into Windows Updates and hide this same update, you'll never get another notification for Windows 10 again.
Depending on how much data it is, cloud storage solutions are fine. Hell, you should be able to section off the really irreplaceable stuff down enough to make this work.
This doesn't work, actually, because they've re-pushed KB3035583 several times; each time they push it it reappears because it's technically seen as "different" from the update you hid.
I just checked my work's patch management system and I've got KB3035583 listed 6 separate times, they re-pushed it twice this month even.
It's a fun catch-22. Yes, you absolutely should make backups in the event that an unexpected disaster occurs. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't acknowledge that Microsoft just caused an unexpected disaster.
Gotta have that Parts: The Clonus Horror/The Island backup human clone just in case.
mneuro
Member
*standing ovation*
How about Microsoft lets me do what I want with my computer that I paid for and the software I paid for?
Microsoft of late has been all about the whole "we know what's best for you" shit. First with UWA and now this.
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