The12thGripper
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Same.
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Yomawari: Night Alone Comes to PS Vita October 25
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Same.
would it have been different if it was two new games in a single package for this price? this is an honest question.
NormalFish
Banned
yeah, I'm not a huge fan of this decision.
Especially as it seems to be justification for this title being 40$. Wasn't Firefly 20? I might be misremembering.
I still wouldn't be a big fan of an SKU that bundles 2 separate games just for kicks without offering them separately. Wouldn't be nearly as bad though.
Of course, it'd be a new release. You're selling the same game people have already bought, giving them no choice whatsoever on the matter. Don't jack up the price and tell me it's a "bonus" when it's clearly not, there isn't a positive spin on this, specially knowing Vita owners are faithful and most of them already bought Firefly Diary. Don't tell me to accept graces just because it could be worse, it already is when you're charging people for the same game they already have just to increase your sales greedily.
Bundling two new releases wouldn't be ideal, but still miles ahead of bundling it with an old game and charging extra just because of that.
zerokoolpsx
Member
Both games on cart for Vita. Also on Steam too? Nice.
With Amazon Prime, its $39.99.
A heat changing tumbler or save $10 with Prime?? Hmmmmm.
With Amazon Prime, its $39.99.
A heat changing tumbler or save $10 with Prime?? Hmmmmm.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
What an odd release. I had to come to this thread to make sense of what I was looking at before I ordered.
For me it would be, at least. I already bought the other game, like a lot of the people who would be interested in a physical version of this one I assume. I just want a physical version of Yomawari by itself without any extras, ideally.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Firefly was $20 and has since had a PSN sale multiple times now for sub 10, so they're basically valuing it at 20 again in this release since there was no way Yomawari would have been anything more than 20 as well. It would be one thing if Firefly didn't have a physical before and they were charging full now, even with the PSN sales, but that's not the case.
firefly was $20 physically.
what if it was themed so that it made sense they were part of the same package. for example, the orange box is a collection of games from a publisher with a couple old first-person shooters and then three new ones. would you have rather had the choice to purchase portal, hl2 episode 2, and team fortress 2 at $14.99 or $19.99 each?
NinjamicWZ
Banned
It's on one cart, right? The picture indicated a reversible cover and I doubt two carts would be in one normal Vita case, especially for $40.
Rose and the Old Castle would have been a better fit for a duo cart, but it'll still be a cool curiosity for me. I'm an odd one, though. I like having the combo cart of Rayman Origins/Legends too even though I already had both carts by themselves. For 99% of people, even Vita collectors, it's just redundant. I might finally order the JPN Yomawari too, just to keep everything neat.
Could have been standalone for $25, easily.
Rose and the Old Castle would have been a better fit for a duo cart, but it'll still be a cool curiosity for me. I'm an odd one, though. I like having the combo cart of Rayman Origins/Legends too even though I already had both carts by themselves. For 99% of people, even Vita collectors, it's just redundant. I might finally order the JPN Yomawari too, just to keep everything neat.
Could have been standalone for $25, easily.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I'd have accepted the option of not having a Yomawari physical release at first and then having it being bundled with that game later on than what we have now. At least in this scenario, we'd have never had a previous physical Yomawari release and it'd have made more sense.
NormalFish
Banned
Yeah, this is dumb. I'll buy it because I love these little games, but the way they're selling it really does bug me.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I actually meant Rose & Firefly together, but yeah, that would work too.
shadow2810
Member
NISA why you no more contest? I need another big canvas art to hang besides my htoL# one D;
ah but not really. carts aren't just expensive on nintendo platforms. doing it for a niche game makes it difficult. and then you'd have to ask if people would buy it at $29.99 instead? maybe not - especially if precedent was set on your last indie-looking game being $19.99.
rose probably would have been the better title to pair with it, but yomawari's chances at getting a physical version were going to be pretty slim to begin with.
i know firefly diary physical version skipped europe the first time, but i don't think it will this time.
I downloaded it when it was on sale. =/
whiteninja
Member
I wish they would do some kind of rerelease for Ar Nosurge. I already got hotelnick :/
NISA's post on the European PS Blog removed "Retail Edition htoL#" from their copy pasted statement that it came with Yomawai on the US PS Blog and simply put "htoL#", on the EU blog, implying a digital copy.
This is also a good point. I have not heard many good things about Firefly Diary, and would be a lot more willing to try it for a sale price, and am now being forced to get it for the full $20. And count me among the people who would be much more interested in this if both games were new. Hell, I might have gone for a double pack of Firefly and Rose if Rose ends up being good, since I'd be interested in seeing its predecessor first. This choice just feels odd.
...I'm realizing that I still do want to get Yomawari physically though. So I'm tempted despite what I've heard so far. I'm seeing a lot of people saying they bought Firefly Diary in this thread, but can anyone attest to it actually being good?
Pellegri Testament
Member
i think it just means they're on the same game card. if they were going to go the route of a digital version, the us version would be digital too.
I hope so but I doubt it. I'm guessing the Americans get a physical version of htoL# because there was already one previously, I can't see NISA Europe making one just for Yomawari so hopefully it is both games on one cart.
Either way, I've pre-ordered the US LE just in case. Will cancel if we get more info on EU LE.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Firefly was $20 and $25 is the going rate for LimitedRunGames.
That seemed like the right number to make it worth their while and still please the people in here.
i really don't know how limited run games does business or makes money on ps vita titles. do they just sell it through their own storefront? if that's the case, they don't have to pay a wholesale price to retail and they don't have to pay a distributor or worry about price protection either.
that's the other part of this puzzle - firefly diary had all that going for it (offered exclusively on the nisa store) and yomawari does not.
I'm pissed that they're including the art book from firefly. What's so limited about the previous LE now? The box?
The game on the cart is one thing, but they should have left the previous extras out. Make each retain something limited, way to screw over part of your fan base and charge more for the privilege.
The game on the cart is one thing, but they should have left the previous extras out. Make each retain something limited, way to screw over part of your fan base and charge more for the privilege.
But that's because NISA decided to sell the game through other retailers as well, it was NISA's decision to do that.
Pellegri Testament
Member
While I'm glad that I'm able to get the extras for FD since I missed out on the LE and just bought and Asian physical, it really is a shitty situation for those who already bought the LE for FD. I get that $20 Vita games most likely do not make a company much money when they're selling them in retail, but there really should be another option for those who don't want to buy another copy of a game and it's extras that they already have.
I "get" why they would want to package Yomawari with something, considering it's an extremely short game even if you do everything (5-6 hours other than that dumb 50hr trophy). But trying to sell people another full priced copy of a game they likely already bought, clearly is not the solution. I don't really have a problem with them putting FD on the card and giving it some value, just when they've valued it at $5 in multiple PSN sales now, there is no reason why they should be charging the full 20 again in this release.
I "get" why they would want to package Yomawari with something, considering it's an extremely short game even if you do everything (5-6 hours other than that dumb 50hr trophy). But trying to sell people another full priced copy of a game they likely already bought, clearly is not the solution. I don't really have a problem with them putting FD on the card and giving it some value, just when they've valued it at $5 in multiple PSN sales now, there is no reason why they should be charging the full 20 again in this release.
i'm just trying to break it down in this way -
firefly diary has thin margins at retail for $20. it also has a limited edition from japan (nice art book, nice soundtrack). nisa can make money at $30 on their store since they think the value is there for the title and the limited edition.
yomawari has thin margins at retail for $20. it didn't have a limited edition in japan - just a 12 page art book. there's also only one song in the game. nisa doesn't see value in the game at $30 for a limited edition so the value has to come from elsewhere. considering their store customers supported firefly already, this gets opened up to retailers this time. for people who already bought firefly, there's an attempt at additional value with the tumbler and the mouse pad. it's pretty messy but you can see how someone could have tried to please everyone.
personally, i would have put rose with yomawari, or one of their other smaller titles and just made a double-pack similar to the orange box. but maybe they're planning on having rose only on the online store similar to firefly diary.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Honestly don't know why Rose wasn't packaged together with it either, hell they probably could have gotten it out this year as well with little more than a laughable amount of effort considering how little text there is in the game.
calc84maniac
Member
inb4 Rose also gets bundled with htoL#NiQ
NinjamicWZ
Banned
I don't want Rose and Yomawari together either.
Rose is essentially Firefly 2. Those would be better on a cart together if there was going to be a duo cart at all... but even then, separate releases would be good for most people who don't want to pay $10-20 more for something they already have or don't want.
I said $25 because I think $30 makes people get uppity when something similar was $20 (which is probably cheaper than it should have been, since it's resulted in this loss recouping+cost justifying scenario) or cheaper on PSN. $30 for something clean and kept would have been fine for me, but to others that might have been too much.
Rose is essentially Firefly 2. Those would be better on a cart together if there was going to be a duo cart at all... but even then, separate releases would be good for most people who don't want to pay $10-20 more for something they already have or don't want.
I said $25 because I think $30 makes people get uppity when something similar was $20 (which is probably cheaper than it should have been, since it's resulted in this loss recouping+cost justifying scenario) or cheaper on PSN. $30 for something clean and kept would have been fine for me, but to others that might have been too much.
disgaea 6 and firefly diary please
it's more than the price point - it's about the platform charge and how much a retailer and a distributor might take off each thing. if the game was exclusive to the online store, without a limited edition (or maybe a really weak bonus like a box and a small book), then maybe $24.99 would have been okay. there still would have been about $8.000 in shipping and at that point it becomes a $33-35 game.
this would be a lot easier if the minimum order quantities for ps vita games were lower. if they were lower, a game probably could do what i stated in the above, and done well to not have extras lying around.
I think $40 for the LE package (excluding the NISA exclusive tumbler, which I can't justify uping the cost nearly $25) is a very reasonable price for what you get. Having not played Firefly I think it's pretty cool that they are essentially giving fans a second chance to get a physical copy of the game. (Third chance? I vaguely remember them having Firefly physical copies for sale again earlier in the year)
Thanks, wishlisted.
How low do you think the minimum cart order quantity is for Vita?
The lowest officially known print run is 1,500 for a physical Vita cart.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
So then you're arguing that it should be $20 + $8 like Firefly was.
Or, perhaps that shipping could be cheaper since LRG is $25 + $5?
I'm not the one you need to convince that a digital $20 or lower release, who's most closely approximated physical predecessor was $20, shouldn't be more expensive on a cart. I'm simply being pragmatic in saying that $30 is fine with me, $20 is clearly doable, and that $25 would have been the middle ground between what NISA has demonstrated that they can do and what a collector like me would pay for a physical copy of a game like this.
i don't know how limited run games does it, but that is not the minimum order requirement in north america.
firefly had free shipping though, which was a special deal. firefly had a lot going for it since the bar to clear was pretty high.
Pellegri Testament
Member
To be fair, most of the people complaining about the price are those who already bought FD when they sold it the first time around and don't feel like being charged for it again if they want a physical release of Yomawari. For people who didn't buy it in the first place however, it's not a terrible price if you're interested in both games and their extras.
The majority of the people buying Yomawari are the people that bought Firefly Diary. There's only one audience for these games, the overlap is too big to ignore.
Soyongdori
Member
I had no idea this was coming out for PC as well. This is where my dilemma begins...
Pellegri Testament
Member
True, honestly makes me wonder why Nisa seems to be overestimating the appeal of these games. They're budget Japanese titles, the niche that buys them isn't exactly big to begin with. I'd understand it if there was some untapped potential to be had, but so far it just seems to only be pissing off that niche while most will continue to ignore the release. I mean hey, FD wasn't that bad to me, but it's not the kind of game I'd consider buying more than once. Not giving people any kind of choice and shoving an old full price release down the throats of people who already bought it at full price, is a really shitty thing to do. Preying upon your fans isn't a great way to keep fans.
Well, LRG has said differently regarding the minimums and these are North American releases so I don't know.
Well said.