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Bar MAFIA |OT| There's Gonna Be Shots

nin1000

Banned
What do you think of Kyan, Timeaisis and Lone? You left them out in your readlist yesterday.

Timeaisis

I don't like that time pushed against you and today he left. It's like impossible to vote him out since he is not here and it would be oh too bad to vote him out.

Lone_Prodigy

Lone is the usual kind of player coasting not drawing any attention but he seems to be confident that he won't he voted out because he does not attract any attention.

Kyan
Contributes at least something. Townish for the moment.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Something to consider:

If for whatever reasons there were 5 initial scum + a lost brother, we could face Mylo tomorrow.

4 - 8
4 - 6 (no lynch is an option)
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If it is 4+bats we have more time (3-9, 3-7, 3-5 ; barring any additional kills)

I was thinking about getting rid of an inactive player, do you think we have the time for it?
 
My scum list:
Zeemumu
SalvaPot
Mazre
MattyG
Never Forever

These are completely gut reads due to inactivity, so do what you will with this list.
 

Kyanrute

Member
Today is the day for inactive lynch if that is the criteria one is looking for. It'll bit harder to do that tomorrow, should there be a mislynch. Just theorizing here, too much alcohol for actual arguments.
 

Gorlak

Banned
nin1000 - 211
Gorlak (A Human Becoming - Tar-Miriel) - 143 (+12+2) // 1
Timeaisis - 139
timetokill - 133
Kyanrute - 124
Mazre (Catvoca) - 22 (+74)
SalvaPot - 86
Zeemumu (StackpoleH) - 41(+12) // 1
MattyG - 35 // 1
Lone_Prodigy (euphemism) - 25 (+4) // 1
tomakasatnav - 26 // 3
Never Forever (Retroid) - 1 (+26) // 1

Posts(+replaced) // days with no vote
I'd cut the line below salva
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Zee, Matty, LP, toma, NF

Matty, Zee and toma aren't here today. NF promised to catch up.

Yesterday toma had one post (sorry for d3, bla bla, never to be seen again)

Zee had three posts... promising to do something 2246 and two one liners (2376+2404)

Matty had 6 posts with the usual "sorry for being inactive", some flailing, stating he wants corn alive and voting me after some hesitation (reasoning bandwagon).

Retroid (NF) only chimed in half an hour before deadline with a vote on me, was replaced afterwards. NF promised to catch up, delivered nothing so far. I remember Ouro being suspicious of Retroid.

Lone Prodigy was there, had 11 posts (nearly half of his overall posts) with around 7 one liners + "looking" productive with opening lists of votes and bla.

Going by only today and yesterday Toma, Retroid and Zee look the worst.

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How about the votes?

toma: dragonz, no vote, no vote, no vote
zee: ttk, ouro, ttk, no vote
retroid (nf): no lynch, ouro, no vote, gorlak
lone: salva, no vote, ttk, corn
matty: ouro, no vote, dragonz, gorlak

Not exactly the best looks.

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Does anyone get anything out of this? I don't. All of them are on low activity, have no votes in their record...

toma on dragonz d1 is interesting. Common early vote on a scum partner? I doubt it. He posted 1 minute before deadline when it was a tie with absolutbro. Splinter and Hyper changed majority to Absolut seconds later. Scum would've prevented a possible dragonz lynch earlier making me a bit more suspicious of kyan again.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Anyone willing to look at batsnacks posts? Did he signal to be scum? He opened with a stranger burger post. He was scum aligned but unknown to them, scum did not know he was protecting Dragonz D1.

Is Kyan scum according to D1 vote list?
 

Gorlak

Banned
Next source of scum for me would be the Day3 Dragonz lynch. We have timeaisis, kyan, matty and mazre. You can count ttk in there as well, but I will not look at him today. I was on this list as well before my unvote, do with that what you will.

Out of these I read timeaisis as scum the most.

Opinions on Kyan and his voting pattern?
 

Gorlak

Banned
I remember a very odd post by Lone_Prodigy, I'll have to check it, it was something about activity in scum chat which went unnoticed or unquestioned up to now.
 

Gorlak

Banned
^it's easy because the reasoning is right there

Scum chat is more active than this thread.

What exactly is this? Can you elaborate on it? Even with context of the previous posts and answer to batsnacks I don't get where exactly you got the impression scum chat is more active. Are you in the scum chat and outposting everyone again? I know you.
 

Gorlak

Banned
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SAY SOMETHING?!

I'm going nuts here.

Why does nobody care about who gets lynched? Nobody willing to react to the nin votes? Salva you own us something concrete you promised yesterday...

@timetokill:
Who do you think is scum? Where should we look at?
 

MattyG

Banned
I will admit that voting for Gorlak was a mistake and letting CB go was too. I believed that he was a forger (which he was), but I didn't take into account that there was some kind of sub-role or something like the arsonist. Lesson learned.

Next source of scum for me would be the Day3 Dragonz lynch. We have timeaisis, kyan, matty and mazre. You can count ttk in there as well, but I will not look at him today. I was on this list as well before my unvote, do with that what you will.

Out of these I read timeaisis as scum the most.

Opinions on Kyan and his voting pattern?
What exactly do you mean here? We look like scum because of late votes?

I had voiced my suspicion of WMD since her claim, and I think I only posted that I had mild doubts about the suspicion once or twice. Other than that I was kind of always on the WMD scum boat.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Within the D3 voters of Dragonz is (at the very least one) scum. Of course it was a bus play, so we have to look at the reasoning provided. We have to find said scum.

I don't think it's about the lateness of a vote on her, on the contrary I find timeaisis even more suspicious.
 
What exactly is this? Can you elaborate on it? Even with context of the previous posts and answer to batsnacks I don't get where exactly you got the impression scum chat is more active. Are you in the scum chat and outposting everyone again? I know you.

Before the end of the day, scum would be gathering to do last-minute votes. In this case it didn't matter because WAMD was too far ahead so a swing couldn't happen. I was just commenting on how empty the game thread was at the deadline.

Start a bandwagon, Gorlak. I'll follow you (unless it's on me).
 

Mazre

Member
Reminder we're at less than 24 hours (shortened phases).

I'm a cop (no that's not the flavor name).

My checks were as follows-
N1 (catvoca) - Dusksoldier Town (sad trombone)
N2 - nin1000 Town (more on this in a second)
N3 - Timeaisis Town
N4 - salvapot Town

I see one of two scenarios with nin, either he's a godfather or someone interfered with my n2 check in some fashion. This naturally makes me somewhat suspicious of Gorlak's drinks and makes me lean towards one of the following scenarios.

Nin is scum and Gorlak is town.
Nin is scum and Gorlak is scum.
Neither is scum.

Right now I'm of the opinion that my first scenario is most likely. nin, care to make an actual proper claim or you gonna keep that soft claim garbage going?
 
Gorlak's targets were

N1: Kingkitty
N2: nin1000
N3: Kyanrute
N4: Timeaisis

timetokill - tracker
Mazre - cop
tomakasatnav
Kyanrute
Lone_Prodigy
Gorlak - drink distributor
Never Forever
Zeemumu
MattyG
SalvaPot - cleared by cop?
nin1000 - cleared by cop?
Timeaisis - cleared by cop?
 
@timetokill:
Who do you think is scum? Where should we look at?

Right now my top scum reads are: zeemumu, Retroid or whoever replaced him, with a Timeaisis/nin either/or rounding out the top 3. nin I go back and forth on... today I'm leaning slightly town on him. Timeaisis has been flying way under the radar the whole game, he's hardly ever been the focus of conversation or even voted on. Mazre's cop message about it makes me a little wary but... well, I don't know about Mazre either.

So tl;dr version I'm leaning zeemumu and Retroid.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
VOTE TALLY:


nin1000 (1)
mazre 2525

timetokill (0)
nin1000 2531 (2537)

salvapot (1)
nin1000 2539

7 votes for majority.

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Just quoting this to remind that days are shorter now!
 

SalvaPot

Member
Reminder we're at less than 24 hours (shortened phases).

I'm a cop (no that's not the flavor name).

My checks were as follows-
N1 (catvoca) - Dusksoldier Town (sad trombone)
N2 - nin1000 Town (more on this in a second)
N3 - Timeaisis Town
N4 - salvapot Town

I see one of two scenarios with nin, either he's a godfather or someone interfered with my n2 check in some fashion. This naturally makes me somewhat suspicious of Gorlak's drinks and makes me lean towards one of the following scenarios.

Nin is scum and Gorlak is town.
Nin is scum and Gorlak is scum.
Neither is scum.

Right now I'm of the opinion that my first scenario is most likely. nin, care to make an actual proper claim or you gonna keep that soft claim garbage going?

So, any reasons why you choose those targets?
 

nin1000

Banned
Reminder we're at less than 24 hours (shortened phases).

I'm a cop (no that's not the flavor name).

My checks were as follows-
N1 (catvoca) - Dusksoldier Town (sad trombone)
N2 - nin1000 Town (more on this in a second)
N3 - Timeaisis Town
N4 - salvapot Town

I see one of two scenarios with nin, either he's a godfather or someone interfered with my n2 check in some fashion. This naturally makes me somewhat suspicious of Gorlak's drinks and makes me lean towards one of the following scenarios.

Nin is scum and Gorlak is town.
Nin is scum and Gorlak is scum.
Neither is scum.

Right now I'm of the opinion that my first scenario is most likely. nin, care to make an actual proper claim or you gonna keep that soft claim garbage going?


Ok. Here it comes.

I am vanilla town. Nothing fancy just a normal town player. :3. Funny eh?
 

nin1000

Banned
Again I am just an Ordinary Drunk! Why did I post all those Arnold drunks? Well I did not want get killed at night and in order not to I just posted those Arnold pics. Pretty great idea eh?
 

Gorlak

Banned
This sounds too good to be true. 1-shot day cop, tracker and a normal cop? Something doesn't add up. I'd like to believe scum wouldn't try such a gambit, since we don't even have any leads at the moment anyway. This would save them one or two days, it's too early to bring this scenario. Since we are in a bar I find it rather likely that Mazre may be a naive cop (drunk, always thinks you're town) or that he indeed investigated a godfather. I don't believe that we have both tracker and normal cop, so the second scenario would put ttk under pressure.

Anyway scum will solve this problem for us since they can't afford to be found out. We'll know more by tomorrow. Let's give Mazre the benefit of the doubt today and look what we get with his results:

(use with caution)
 

Gorlak

Banned
These results scream KYAN IS SCUM to me...

D1, D2 fits the bill. D3 it's him and matty, D4 it's him and lp.

Opinions? I'd be willing to vote out MattyG as well, this would clarify the D3 dragonz vote for me.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Zeemumu voted TTK, Ourobolus, TTK, no vote.

Why did he not vote TTK on D2 when there was the only real chance of lynching him?
 

Mazre

Member
Thanks nin, sorry for doubting you bud.

As some have suggested I'm not a normal cop. I'll save the details for now, they don't affect the rest of my checks (assuming no interference), and in the event of my death would be revealed anyways.

I like the argument for kyanrute lynch at the moment.

VOTE: kyanrute

Will be at work through end of phase, will try to check back around lunchtime.
 

nin1000

Banned
Thanks nin, sorry for doubting you bud.

As some have suggested I'm not a normal cop. I'll save the details for now, they don't affect the rest of my checks (assuming no interference), and in the event of my death would be revealed anyways.

I like the argument for kyanrute lynch at the moment.

VOTE: kyanrute

Will be at work through end of phase, will try to check back around lunchtime.

I am in on the train guys

VOTE: kyanrute
 

Gorlak

Banned
10 hours left, 4 votes

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Would the other 8 players please react and play? Any opinions on the votes thus far? Do you believe Mazre? Even after he changed his story after facing some doubt (scum alarm rings slightly in my ears)?

I'm banking on not losing today with a mislynch (which is a possibility). With an outed cop and tracker we will get info tomorrow. TTK you have to deliver tomorrow, consider tracking me and announcing my target at day start.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Kyan can you please give a readlist? Who do you suspect and how should we continue tomorrow in case you get lynched?
 
soz realise this has been a long time coming

these are like my feelings/opinions rn, kind of reads, kind of thoughts based on what's developed

nin1000 - I have the most positive vibes towards nin tbh, he's consistently helpful and analytical and I like his posts. I think he's felt the need to step it up a bit because most people are doing fuck all

Gorlak - was serving annoying as fuck vibes up through the end of D4, but nothing scummy. everything about the roleclaim checks out. his postings and thought-throwing around is useful and helps other townies get thinking too, one gets the sense he's actually trying

Kyanrute, Timeaisis - I'm getting good vibes from these two too tbh, solid contributions, a lot of which I find useful, nothing particularly amiss, a bit shakier than I am for Gorlak and nin, but still feel better towards them than I do most everyone else. I feel more conviction from nin and Gorlak. Timeaisis's arguments against Gorlak were a touch weird and I couldn't really get where he was coming from? Idk, Timeaisis is always a bit of a null read for me.

Lone_Prodigy - serving low-key coaster and Foxface from the Hunger Games. It's all very superficial and skating along the surface and throwing stuff out there and not very engaged.

SalvaPot - I high-key don't get it. Like, is he just bored and trolly Town? Is he scum laughing in the faces of honest Town players with great irreverence? I do not know. It's difficult to determine his intentions. Also that 'I'll come back tomorrow with something good for y'all'? Girl, really? That statement serves more than a little bit of 'I've realised I'm going to have to make a daytime roleclaim so it looks less scummy than if I make it when I'm leading the votes'.

timetokill - The issue I have with this one is why he's still alive, but I think it makes sense if you consider that scum always thought they had a bigger fish to fry emerging pretty consistently day-on-day. If you took Crab and CB's claims at face value then scum couldn't really risk that. I'm pretty sure that scum must have targeted CB N4, it's more likely than one of the other three, and the doctor's dead so I don't think the kill was blocked.

I'm inclined to believe him and leave it for now, but obviously it would be very easy for a scum tracker to masquerade as a town tracker, and if he's still around after N6 I think we may need to look at him more seriously. (Mazre's claim, judging by the previous scum patterns, is a pretty obvious N5 death, they won't risk a cop confirming more Town or outing one of them if they're going to take the claim at face value again)

Mazre - I had no real strong opinion up until the cop claim, which came a bit out of nowhere, but it's sensible if he's telling the truth and we have a base of confirmed Town to work from. Idk, could a daycop with a role like Crab's and a more trad cop coexist in the same game? What assets would the rest of scum have to balance that? I feel like the amount of detection roles would only be fair if there was a godfather or something to fudge results? Similar to how the tracker has Gorlak handing out worthless drinks as a distraction. On balance I'm not sure if I believe the results, not because he's lying but because of his target's potential roles.

zeemumu, MattyG, Tom AKA Satnav
you know what it's like when you're watching a reality show and you're like 'wait how is this bitch still in when x got eliminated back in Episode 2 ffs' and you want to write a letter or Tweet to the producers to get Ourobolus back in? It's like that. It's difficult because you literally have nothing, so you're not sure what to ascribe it to. I'm strongly inclined to think that there's at least one scum kicking around in here, but it's difficult to distinguish between them. Maybe look back through vote patterns?

It's typical Gafia syndrome that whoever sticks their head up is in in permanent risk of having it chopped off whilst these three remain doing the absolute least and will easily sail through to the endgame, at which point scum will get the win simply because Town ripped itself apart

Top scum as it stands:
SalvaPot
Lone_Prodigy
(tomakasatnav, zeemumu, MattyG) < at least one of these

this post is my intellectual property, copyright me, do not steal

I honestly haven't paid too much attention to anything after Mazre's claim, so I'll get back up to speed on that and then get to the voting and actually engage in discussion
 
10 hours left, 4 votes

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Would the other 8 players please react and play? Any opinions on the votes thus far? Do you believe Mazre? Even after he changed his story after facing some doubt (scum alarm rings slightly in my ears)?

hi

I feel like jumping to conclusions assuming that Mazre's cop results are completely accurate is a bit... eh. I feel like there must be something more to the story somewhere, this seems far too heavily weighted in favour of Town, but idk if any godfather is likely to be someone already investigated. It's entirely possible that he's lying and it's a gambit, but I feel like if he's lying he'd still be here D6 so the gambit would be found out incredibly quickly. I don't see a scenario where scum just leave him alive.

Telling the truth = killed N5
lying + Town = killed N5, scum don't know he's lying
lying + scum = won't be killed,

Moreover, if he has already investigated the godfather, it's even more incentive to flip him ASAP and make his results gospel truth

I guess it all falls to whether you believe Crab, Mazre and timetokill could co-exist on the same Town team, and what the scum team would have to have to counter that if you take it all at face value, and what other functions Town members could have to muddy the waters

I mean, I don't really like this sentence

As some have suggested I'm not a normal cop. I'll save the details for now, they don't affect the rest of my checks (assuming no interference), and in the event of my death would be revealed anyways.

but I'm not sure if that's a thread that should be pulled on. I don't like it when people mention things in sort of a 'there's more but I won't tell you that' sort of way, it always seems a bit fishy.

These results scream KYAN IS SCUM to me...

D1, D2 fits the bill. D3 it's him and matty, D4 it's him and lp.

Opinions? I'd be willing to vote out MattyG as well, this would clarify the D3 dragonz vote for me.

I'm an idiot, care to elaborate on why you're reading these results that way?

like, it's feasible, but I'm not exactly seeing the smoking gun that's causing two other people to be like 'oh okay sure' and jump on board, D1 especially it's more likely for scum to throw their votes on some no-hoper and run off. Dragonz was already on AbsolutBro, I'm not sure if they would be consolidating so early. Especially if it's possible that they knew who batsnacks was via some secret signals, idk, then that would make two scum already on there.

Like, of your candidates, I find MattyG more interesting because he did exactly that, went for Ourobolus D1 and then never moved his vote away from that, even as the day developed. And then today (D5), he's only popped up to defend himself, and hasn't contributed otherwise, which isn't particularly endearing him to me as Town.

frankly, the biggest contradiction in the voting record is this one that you pointed out:

Zeemumu voted TTK, Ourobolus, TTK, no vote.

Why did he not vote TTK on D2 when there was the only real chance of lynching him?

Zeemumu's flip would also illuminate whether we should be continuing to give our tracker the benefit of the doubt or if he's been fooling us the whole time. The one time we're close to lynching him... is the one time that someone who consistently votes for him otherwise doesn't? It's so weird. If Zeemumu is scum, then I think ttk is definitely scum. But it's a big if.

and the fact that ttk is already voting for Zeemumu.... eeeeeeeh. Gives me second thoughts
 

Kyanrute

Member
I propose an alternative.

VOTE: SalvaPot

We get two things, Salva's alignment (what I assume to be scum) and evidence either for or against Mazre's claim.

Read lists, arguments and whatnot coming soonTM right after I eat something.
 

Timeaisis

Member
Can someone explain why Mazre results imply godfather? Sorry, I'm just skimming right now, but want to try to vote somewhere for day end.

And why Kyan? Is there something I'm missing.

Apologies for being out of the loop here.
 

SalvaPot

Member
I propose an alternative.

VOTE: SalvaPot

We get two things, Salva's alignment (what I assume to be scum) and evidence either for or against Mazre's claim.

Read lists, arguments and whatnot coming soonTM right after I eat something.

I'll be ok with this... unless that it really doesn't prove Mazre's claim. If he is scum he can easily just list players that are not scum (like he did), since he knows who his teammates are.

Also I have one more shot at my role.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Holy shit somebody posted in here. Thank you very much for your posts Never Forever.

Somewhere I already explained how close the lynch on D1 actually was. Bats signaling his scumminess is an if that I can't verify. I doubt he would be very obvious and list all of scum in one place to show he knows them. Nevertheless scum must have tried to shift attention away from Dragonz.
That's also why I have a problem with going after toma. A bus this early? Maybe one should look at the unvotes of D1, who changed away from Dragonz in the last minutes? Splinter (a confirmed townie) change to Absolut directly from Dragonz and Hyper (confirmed neutral) last minute voted on Dragonz as well.
I think having Kyan voting against AbsolutBro alongside with Dragonz was all scum was willing to try in order to save Dragonz, it was enough back then but caught up with him.

D2 getting rid of the person who draws attention to Dragonz? Yes, scum move.
D3 typical bus move to achieve some credibility could also be matty.
D4 two options with 7 votes -> probably two scum on either side. Again Kyan is a candidate (the weakest argument against him, but still)

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I get your hesitation on mazre's claim, especially his additional entry "there's more too it" after some doubt. It's also signaling too much power for town and a contradiction within the claims so far. But I don't see scum going for the bold move out of nowhere, why not try to lead town into another mislynch? Why not push against me? Etc? It's not like they are cornered? But maybe exactly this fact makes them have their heads in the clouds and going for the winning gambit?

Yeah, I see the reasons against Matty and Zeemumu, but we have more people in here doing nothing. They can't all be scum. Today I'll stick with Kyan, who admittedly tuned down his shitposting tremendously. His last two posts give those "I'm scum again" vibes. If your town Kyan I'm sorry, as I already requested please add your view once more to the game.

My vote stays on Kyan.
 

SalvaPot

Member
I'll be honest, I am not feeling Mazre's claim right now, specially the part when he doesn't have any real info that is useful to town except that he may or may not get correct info on nin/gorlak

Here is the thing, if we have two or more scum left, we are getting dangerously close to mylo, so its in scum best interest to make a mistake, specially after what happened last night.

That said, I don't think lynching Mazre is the solution, since I do believe him. His choices for inspecting are a bit weird (Why didn't he inspected, WAMD, for example?) but, hmm...

[higlight]Vote: zeemumu[/higlight]
 
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