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Preacher |OT| The Beginning Is Nigh - Sundays 10/9c on AMC

Clefargle

Member
Well made? Even disregarding the source material, the pacing is horrendous, the characterization is a mess, and the plot isn't even interesting. Sure the acting is good but that's about it. I need more than "good production values" to keep me entertained. I honestly don't even know why non-comic readers enjoy this show. It's terribly boring and the main character is an insufferable, unlikable douche.

Plus, the appeal of Preacher is in its unapologetic combination of blasphemy, violence, sexiness and over-the-top craziness. Quite literally the opposite of what we're getting, outside of the occasional Cassidy scene.

This is all subjective of course, but I find the show fresh and atmospheric with great characters and good casting. It isn't the most frenetic, pounding, fast paced show on TV, but it has the violence, blasphemy, and sexiness. Lots of gore and bloody fighting, almost every episode. Cassidy is great and Jessie is a basic antihero struggling against his demons but in a fresh wrapper. I like Tula and all the other characters and enjoy all the craziness. And some may think the establishing shots are a bit long, but I think they serve to build an atmosphere of tension and dread while giving the show a distinct vibe. I don't know what you were expecting but I love it. I'm ok with having an unpopular opinion, so it's cool if you don't agree. This is all subjective.
 

Korigama

Member
I wasn't even aware that there was a new episode last Sunday because I didn't expect AMC to be dense enough to air a new episode of a show already struggling with ratings on Fourth of July weekend, but apparently I guessed wrong. Oh well, will just have to watch the repeat before the new one tonight.
 

RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
I wasn't even aware that there was a new episode last Sunday because I didn't expect AMC to be dense enough to air a new episode of a show already struggling with ratings on Fourth of July weekend, but apparently I guessed wrong. Oh well, will just have to watch the repeat before the new one tonight.

Ratings were actually up last week.
 

thequestion

Member
The show is growing on me. Didn't like it at first, but it's getting better. The vampire guy is amazing. Still find the hipster-doofus hairstyle the preacher sports, distracting. The actress, who plays tulip, acting ability seems off from the mood and feel the rest of the cast gives off. Hopefully she will improve.
 

Korigama

Member
Ratings were actually up last week.
Yeah, I overlooked that before I posted. Still not sure why they decided to air it then, but since it went better for them than the week before that, questioning their decision doesn't really matter now (before seeing the numbers, I would've expected something as bad or worse than episode 4's ratings).
 
Man the problems this show presents for me makes it hard to enjoy.

Cassidy was the only voice of reason so far in the entire show.

Jesse is pretty much unlikable.

They are combining and embellishing and adding things from later arcs and new stuff for whatever reason.

Arseface's recent secret being revealed makes him completely retroactively unlikable and irredeemable. I mean holy shit.

At this point it should just be called Cassidy, because that is the only reason I'm continuing to watch.
 
Caught up the episodes so far. Man I wish shit like the Lucifer show (that somehow I managed to enjoy) was at least trying with 1/16th of how this show tries to actually be good. Episode 6 was easily the best episode so far, hell, an actual fucking great episode in all regards. Writing already shining in the cold open.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Jesse is really unhinged and naive on the show.

I kind of like it better - book Jesse was basically a Gary Sue for baby boomer alpha males.
Still my biggest problem with the book. Comes across as the proto-m'lady stereotype that they wish they were.
 
Jesse is such a hugeeeee prick lmao. Every episode he goes takes it up a notch on being a dick.

Never read the books but yeah that Arseface reveal made me a lot less sympathetic for him, not at the "burn in hell" level Jesse is at though haha.
 
I know these shows can't and shouldn't be a 1:1 recreation of the comics. But I hate hate HATE what they've done to Arseface in this last episode. They just ruined him. What a horrible character assassination for no reason.

It should have been revealed they did a double suicide attempt. Not an attempted murderer and somehow he's still walking around and not in prison.

This better be a fake out reveal. He's the books most beloved characters for a reason
 
I know these shows can't and shouldn't be a 1:1 recreation of the comics. But I hate hate HATE what they've done to Arseface in this last episode. They just ruined him. What a horrible character assassination for no reason.

It should have been revealed they did a double suicide attempt. Not an attempted murderer and somehow he's still walking around and not in prison.
Yeah it's really weird. I hope that it's revealed its just public perception or rumor of how things went down or something.

I was under the impression that Arseface is a sympathetic character in the books?
 
I know these shows can't and shouldn't be a 1:1 recreation of the comics. But I hate hate HATE what they've done to Arseface in this last episode. They just ruined him. What a horrible character assassination for no reason.

It should have been revealed they did a double suicide attempt. Not an attempted murderer and somehow he's still walking around and not in prison.

This better be a fake out reveal. He's the books most beloved characters for a reason

I know, it is fucking awful.

I mean holy shit.
 

wildfire

Banned
Victory or death. Shit's going down next week.



Arseface's recent secret being revealed makes him completely retroactively unlikable and irredeemable. I mean holy shit.

Huh?

How was that a secret to you? I never read Preacher and from the 1st episode it was obvious what Eugene did. Anybody who missed the queues had it basically explained to them by episode 2.

He was irredeemable the moment who tried asking Jesse to take back whatever he did to make people like him because his original intentions was to alleviate his dad's suffering not his own. Normally I don't call people let alone fictional characters emo but Eugene was insufferable for being exactly that last week.


It should have been revealed they did a double suicide attempt. Not an attempted murderer and somehow he's still walking around and not in prison.

This better be a fake out reveal. He's the books most beloved characters for a reason


*scratches head*

Well that's a very misleading "confirmation" they made then.
 
Yeah it's really weird. I hope that it's revealed its just public perception or rumor of how things went down or something.

I was under the impression that Arseface is a sympathetic character in the books?
He is. Comic spoilers I guess for people that are sensitive to it.

Arseface got his wounds when he followed Kurt cobain's lead and used a shotgun to commit suicide. But he lived. But why he's so beloved is he's the one true good person in the whole series. He's good natured and and kind.

If this isn't a fake out then they've lost me.
 
Victory or death. Shit's going down next week.





Huh?

How was that a secret to you? I never read Preacher and from the 1st episode it was obvious what Eugene did. Anybody who missed the queues had it basically explained to them by episode 2.

He was irredeemable the moment who tried asking Jesse to take back whatever he did to make people like him because his original intentions was to alleviate his dad's suffering not his own. Normally I don't call people let alone fictional characters emo but Eugene was insufferable for being exactly that last week.





*scratches head*

Well that's a very misleading "confirmation" they made then.

Dude the problem is that in the comic book he was the only truly good character, yeah he did a stupid thing for stupid reasons but he was good and kind.

Here, he's portrayed as good and kind until Jesse reveals WHY he did what he did, it is the why in the show that completely ruins his character. The dude practically got away with
attempted murder and then committed suicide and lived( he shouldn't be walking around), instead of just surviving suicide.
 
He is. Comic spoilers I guess for people that are sensitive to it.

Arseface got his wounds when he followed Kurt cobain's lead and used a shotgun to commit suicide. But he lived. But why he's so beloved is he's the one true good person in the whole series. He's good natured and and kind.

If this isn't a fake out then they've lost me.

Dude the problem is that in the comic book he was the only truly good character, yeah he did a stupid thing for stupid reasons but he was good and kind.

Here, he's portrayed as good and kind until Jesse reveals WHY he did what he did, it is the why in the show that completely ruins his character. The dude practically got away with
attempted murder and then committed suicide and lived( he shouldn't be walking around), instead of just surviving suicide.

That's what I thought. My mom watches the show and I remember her being like "what is up with the kid with the messed up face?" and I explained that despite the circumstances he has going against him he was probably the least messed up character in the cast and now she's probably thinking I was pretty off lol.
 

fauxtrot

Banned
Tulip isn't at all like comic Tulip but Ruth Negga has been putting in work since the pilot and she's my second favorite just behind Cassidy. Other than those two though, I'm really not feeling this show, nor can I figure out what the hell they're trying to accomplish this season other than making it clear the show is never going to follow the comics... which is a really weird choice. I don't need a 1:1 adaption or anything, but it's amazing to me that no one at AMC has figured out that the most successful arcs/episodes of their other comic book show are the ones that use the framework in print.
 
Pretty meh at how they made Jesse's Dad as unlikeable as Jesse (in the show) himself. Both Comic-Custers would punch the shit out of their show counterparts.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Arseface being an attempted murderer is pretty terrible. I mean I figure they had to update the reason from the comics since that's so 90s, but this solution is really the last thing I had in mind.
 

Zakalwe

Banned
I watched one episode of this show, and while I adore Joseph Gilgun (he's wonderful, loved him since Misfits), the episode I saw (one before last) was so poorly paced I stopped it numerous times to take a break which rarely happens.

I'll give it another shot from the start at some point, perhaps when I can watch it all in one go, but the arseface change seems utterly against the character instead of a reasonable update.

Not feeling it, but I'm willing to wait and see.
 

Obscura

Member
Pretty meh at how they made Jesse's Dad as unlikeable as Jesse (in the show) himself. Both Comic-Custers would punch the shit out of their show counterparts.

I'm not one to speak while a show/movie is on but twice while John was on screen I had to vent to my friend watching with me. I feel sorry for Spaceman if he had to serve with that curmudgeon instead of comic John.

On the same note, I've seen posters here calling just about every character insufferable. I'd like to add kid Jesse to that. He's more shithead than rebel.

The John Wayne references were cool. Curious if that turns into more.

Edit: Fuck you Junior membership! I'm all grown up!
 

Jim

Member
As someone not familiar with the comic/property at all, I'm enjoying the show.

Cassidy guessing "Ryan Phillippe" as Jesse's favorite actor got a chuckle out of me.
 

Breads

Banned
I can forgive this Jesse Custer if this is just a low point of his character arc.

Because this latest showing was just dreary. Granted, it's by design, but still.

I don't think they would write Eugene to be a murderous asshole though. I think they are keeping the
double suicide
angle or better yet there is a larger story at whole that will be revealed over time. I refuse to believe that the "change for the times" Seth Rogan talked about to make Eugene work better would involve making him unsympathetic.
 

jett

D-Member
Also, whats up with the Big Lebowski references? Is that a part of the comic too?

Seemed odd to have a scene where Cassidy complains about how some movies don't have a discernible plot when this show has no plot of any sort.

Jessie is a piece of shit, and it just doesn't even make much or any sense at all to me. This show is verging on the "it fucking sucks" brink.
 
Reading this thread and it's like nobody can appreciate a character getting driven to extremes by his own hubris and then eventually redeeming himself when he has been proven misguided. There is a reason they call it a character arc and not a mesa!
 
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