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[CoolOff]

Err... I don't get it?

A French citizen, labeled a radical jihasist.

Political Correctness did this? Damn, how insidious!

Don't you get it? We're too PC now for internment camps, the only fix out there.

70 years ago we weren't so PC and we didn't have any Islamic terror attacks. Clear as day.

Edit: Realized upon re-reading it that I might need an /s here.

 

[keuja]

You're apparently too stupid to understand that it has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

You should start questioning yourself when your opinions start to turn into bigotry.


Fuck, you're awful. If "good muslims" don't condemn the attacks, they are just as bad? Muslims have been condemning the attacks, while also being the same target of them. What else are they supposed to do? No one is turning a blind eye here and your expectations are not rational.

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

 

[Dark Cloud]

These ISIS people don't care about their own lives and it makes it so easy for them to kill people...it's so sad, but you'll never be able to completely stop this because any Joe could turn bad and do something like this. It makes my stomache so sick.

I feel bad for all the families and all those who get caught in these mindless killings.

 

[GloriousBagel]

What does my "liberalism" have to do with anything?

Seriously -tonight- instead of thinking of the victims and their families it's somehow about the French committing suicide by Muslim because they refuse to blame an entire religion (although the French gov is fully engaged in fighting Isis)?

You can shove it too.

You're the one bringing up conservatism, is it a crime to be a conservative nowadays?

Europe should halt refugees from entering and try to figure their shit out.

And me shove it? haha whatever bro, up yours too.

 

[zorlaczerohero]

BBC news are reporting it was a right hand drive vehicle, which means UK, Ireland, Jersey, Cyprus or Malta. So possibly stolen. The papers were found in the truck so not known if they belonged to the perpetrator or the trucks owner.

Terrible day for France, I have family over there, thankfully not in Nice. My thoughts are with those of you from France or with friends and family in the area.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

This makes me feel so sick.

Nothing will stop these people and before you know it they will be here in Canada doing the same thing.

Its incredibly hard to feel any good feelings after reading this.

I'm Muslim AND I'm im Canada.

What's your point?

 

[Chaos17]

Err... I don't get it?

A French citizen, labeled a radical jihasist.

Political Correctness did this? Damn, how insidious!

*sigh*
This is dificult for me to explain so I will try with my poor english...

The picture represent the feeling of french hates towards immigrants, those haters are speading the idea that is because of the gouvernement being tolerent toward the immigrants is what making the France suffer a lot (not just terrorist but any kind of violence like america think about black people in general).

So literraly this picture represent how the gouvernent stab (the arabic sword) its own country by accepting immigrants... yes, that's totaly racist.

You can read those haters a lot in any french comments about violence not just terrosrist.
Just like here: https://twitter.com/fhollande/status/753771279845625856

 

[Fularu]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few.

After all, if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

It's MUSLIMS (and christians in Syria) fighting against them the most.

Far far more than anything the western nations are doing anyway, and suffering the most because of it.

 

[CheDominik]

How many imams do you think promote terrorism or any facets of it?

In Europe? A lot.

There are 90 mosques in Germany alone under surverillance because of jihadist ideologies.

 

[walking fiend]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

Who do you think is fighting with ISIS? Some of the people here are so blind to what life in middle-east looks like that even go as far as suggesting to drop nuclear bomb there.

For each terrorist attack that ISIS carries in the west, they kill thousands of people in middle-east, and make life miserable for hundreds of thousands more.

 

[The Nexus of G]

Tragic and unnecessary. RIP.

 

[Fancy Clown]

Horrible. I was in Nice last year too, it's a wonderful place.

 

[Betty]

I'm Muslim AND I'm im Canada.

What's your point?

I think the person's just worried terrorists might attack Canada. Which seems unlikely but who knows.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

These fucking terrorists will keep attacking because they are seeing themselves as successful because of how we respond by dividing and isolating ourselves.
They will continue to do so until the right wing factions in france gain traction, so they can recruit more terrorists.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

80

 

[Kinitari]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

So... Do you think any Muslims are, feet on the ground, fighting terrorism in the Middle east? Maybe Muslim countries lending Military? Muslim humanitarians trying to save people in war torn regions?

 

[giga]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

They are.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

I think he's just worried terrorists might attack Canada. Which seems unlikely but who knows.

They can attack anywhere.

Living in fear is what they want, be angry you have every right to be but don't be afraid

 

[Scrooged]

What is this shit? there is already mass surveillance of citizens, and growing daily, in the west including Muslims and that has done jack in stopping attacks like we are witnessing, if anything they are intensifying in number.

Like it's already been pointed out in this very thread, there is no way to stop solo attacks like this one. America has the fucking NSA and TWO attacks happened still. Mass surveillance does not solve this problem in any fashion.

Why target Muslims only?? Yet another mass shooting and potential terrorist bombing happened last week in America, one of the deadliest towards law enforcement in history, do we now also call for surveillance of blacks or people who have violent tendencies?

I was explaining what it would take, which goes beyond the surveillance that is done currently, but of course this won't happen. I'm not even saying that I think it should happen. The person I was responding to said that the solution is to basically go to war in the middle east again. I don't think that's a solution either.

 

[Kevtones]

Yeah, I've spent the last three years learning French (as well as other languages). I had planned on moving there for a year to become more fluent and maybe get a job, but given what I look like, despite not even being religious, I feel as though I may not feel welcome there.

Such a tragedy all around. So many lives lost senselessly. What a shitty situation.

I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you'll be able to take the next step and not meet the hostility you're predicting. Good luck.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

Who do you think is fighting ISIS on the ground right now, in their territory?

Fuck this, this is getting tiring. Muslims also shed blood, much blood, fighting against the inhuman fiends that terrorizes the world, and then now we have folks like you screaming "BUT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING!" on top of their lungs while being happily ignorant about it or that we now apparently need to have the power of precognition as well in order to "do more."

 

[Maxim726X]

*sigh*
This is dificult for me to explain so I will try with my poor english...

The picture represent the feeling of french hates towards immigrants, those haters are speading the idea that is because of the gouvernement being tolerent toward the immigrants is what making the France suffer a lot (not just terrorist but any kind of violence like america think about black people in general).

So literraly this picture represent how the gouvernent stab its own country by accepting immigrants...

You can read those haters a lot in any french comments about violence not just terrosrist.
Just like here: https://twitter.com/fhollande/status/753771279845625856

... I know about the situation, I was being facetious.

Of course, my point still stands because the terrorist wasn't an immigrant.

 

[Twilight Princess]

Don't give in to hatred, that's what the terrorists want.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Edit: I apologize and will educate myself on the subject.

90% of victims of terrorism are muslims.
The majority of armies fighting against ISIS are muslim.

 

[Maxim726X]

I was explaining what it would take, which goes beyond the surveillance that is done currently, but of course this won't happen. I'm not even saying that I think it should happen. The person I was responding to said that the solution is to basically go to war in the middle east again. I don't think that's a solution either.

And what is, exactly?

 

[Psychological Intellect]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

astounding levels of stupidity

 

[walking fiend]

I was explaining what it would take, which goes beyond the surveillance that is done currently, but of course this won't happen. I'm not even saying that I think it should happen. The person I was responding to said that the solution is to basically go to war in the middle east again. I don't think that's a solution either.

Or perhaps we can just find more rational and empirically supported solutions?

How do you deradicalise returning Isis fighters?

Top-down, hardcore measures – laws, blanket bans, all the rest – are all well and good, Aarhus seems to say. But nothing beats what Bundsgaard calls a “co-ordinated, hands-on, ground-level, everyday approach – just pushing people in the right direction, and discouraging them from taking the wrong one”.

Plus, says commissioner Ilum, “If we weren’t doing this, we really could not do much. We can’t prosecute without evidence. And then these people would just be floating around, a potential danger. Which would you rather?”

 

[Freezie KO]

How many imams do you think promote terrorism or any facets of it?

Impossible to measure the exact number. But half of US Muslims said their own religious leaders didn't do enough to speak out against radical Islam. And when I look at research on what the world's Muslims believe, I'm frankly terrified.

So when it comes to monitoring mosques or imams, it's more than just outright promotion. Some express sympathy, and some denounce radicalism with a wink. And not just the imams. Maybe there's a more liberal imam that notices a few of his idiot congregants are speaking more about caliphates or violent jihad or whatever.

Personally, I just wish people could stop with this magical nonsense written by a 7th century warlord, but as long as Islam is going to be the fastest growing religion, Muslims need to do more to prevent attacks, not just denounce them.

 

[Chaos17]

... I know about the situation, I was being facetious.

Of course, my point still stands because the terrorist wasn't an immigrant.

No worry, my reply was also for others too who wandered about the picture.
Rumour is already spreading on social media that guy was from Tunisia but no official annoucement yet.

 

[BocoDragon]

But does it really make it difficult, though? It doesn't feel like it.

It has a chilling effect on discussion. Being sensitive to respecting the personal, faith based nature of Islam makes it extremely difficult to talk about the issues with Islam as a political ideology in the public sphere.

It's as if it were the Cold War, and there's an an issue with communist ideology. But every time you decide to open your mouth about it, you'd have someone explaining to you that they have nice communist friends, or they get sanctimonious with you, or worse... they'll call you a bigot. Maybe you yourself don't want to offend. You'll probably just stay silent about Communist ideology, and on it will go.

After awhile the only voices who confront that ideology are the coarse conservatives who probably are bigots. There are a lot of people in the middle who are just like "not touching that" issue, and keep their mouth shut, and so the issue of Islamist ideology kind of lurks beneath the surface, never addressed. For better? Or certainly for worse.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Stop saying Muslims aren't doing anything. They can only do so much just like every other human being on this planet.

ISIS doesn't give a shit about any religion, race, color, ethnicity, ect. They are mindless senseless scum of the Earth who will kill anybody.

 

[TheRealTalker]

I mean is it so hard to research stuff

and by research I mean look at factual information provided by main sources and not some NRA crazy, 2nd amendment, xenophobe ranting on youtube with flashy effects

 

[~Kinggi~]

Don't give in to hatred, that's what the terrorists want.

in the end, as long as ISIS keeps doing the bang up job they are doing, thats not happening. I wouldnt want to be muslim, thats for damn sure. The shit i hear let me tell you...

 

[victreeb3l]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

They have been, and continue to do that. Just because the news doesnt show it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

 

[giga]

Do more, muslims.

Impossible to measure the exact number. But half of US Muslims said their own religious leaders didn't do enough to speak out against radical Islam. And when I look at research on what the world's Muslims believe, I'm frankly terrified.

So when it comes to monitoring mosques or imams, it's more than just outright promotion. Some express sympathy, and some denounce radicalism with a wink. And not just the imams. Maybe there's a more liberal imam that notices a few of his idiot congregants are speaking more about caliphates or violent jihad or whatever.

Personally, I just wish people could stop with this magical nonsense written by a 7th century warlord, but as long as Islam is going to be the fastest growing religion, Muslims need to do more to prevent attacks, not just denounce them.

Your same link shows that the majority oppose extremism and suicide attacks. I'm not terrified.

 

[Freezie KO]

Who do you think is fighting ISIS on the ground right now, in their territory?

The Islamic Front is fighting ISIS in Syria, and they reject secularism and want sharia law to be the law of the land.

Anti-ISIS doesn't mean pro-Western liberal values.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Don't give in to hatred, that's what the terrorists want.

Exactly, they're trying to make decent people hate each other for bullshit reasons instead of focusing on the real enemy and they're succeeding in some ways. This is just too sad.

 

[TyrantII]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

That's a lot of talking. Can I suggest shutting up and listening for a change?

You've constructed a reality in you head that doesn't reflect the actual circumstances

 

[Mr.Sword]

The good muslims are the only ones that can overturn this sick society we live in.
If these good muslims don't bother to do the utmost amount of effort to condemn these acts, they are just as bad. Stop turning blind eyes.

Every terrorist was once a good muslim. They, good and bad, all once had the same mosques in common.

I am saying this to you as a Muslim living in middle east, "Good muslims" have suffered too and we are all targets to terrorism.

For example,

Few days ago they bombed the prophet mosque one of the holiest places in islam culture, in saudi arabia killing 5 saudi muslims in the process, before that they bombed an airport in turkey a country that 98% of its citizens are muslims, before that they bombed in Kuwait and Bahrain mosques killing muslims by tens if not hundreds.

So you see these pieces of shits consider the whole world their enemy even the muslims countries, and we all share the same fight against terrorism, I think this is important to keep in perspective.

 

[walking fiend]

Impossible to measure the exact number. But half of US Muslims said their own religious leaders didn't do enough to speak out against radical Islam. .

Doesn't that mean at least half of US Muslims believe terrorism and extremism should not be supported?

The Islamic Front is fighting ISIS in Syria, and they reject secularism and want sharia law to be the law of the land.

Anti-ISIS doesn't mean pro-Western liberal values.

News flash: All the Muslims aren't the same. Even all the Muslim fundamentalists aren't the same.

Just because Muslim people aren't all pro western-liberal values, it doesn't mean that they are all terrorists or even remotely support terrorism [though Islamic Front is a terrorist group]

 

[Freezie KO]

Doesn't that mean at least half of US Muslims believe terrorism and extremism should not be supported?

Yes. The US has it very good because we pick and choose our immigrants through an exhaustive process... unlike Europe.

 

[Coriolanus]

Personally, I just wish people could stop with this magical nonsense written by a 7th century warlord, but as long as Islam is going to be the fastest growing religion, Muslims need to do more to prevent attacks, not just denounce them.

Or else what?

 

[Alcoremortis]

How about you start up by reporting your neighbor criminals? How about we start by reporting blatantly racist people in this thread?

Can we be at least a little bit realistic about the situation? Do you think they go to work and discuss this with their colleagues? Or even with their family members?

This already happens in the US. Most terrorism in the US that gets stopped does so because a family member or friend calls the FBI and tells them about someone they knew who started acting weird and then bought a gun.

 

[Soldiussnaku]

I do wonder why we haven't seen Musim groups calling for violent action against these extremists. While we don't need witch hunts, I think it'd be comforting for the general public and do wonders for the Muslim community's PR if we saw a few terrorists meet justice at the hands of the 99% of Muslims who oppose their actions.

After all, simple logic states that if the majority of those killed by the terrorists are good Muslims, then the ones who should be the most angry, the ones who should be advocating violence and the eradication of any and all terrorist sects, the ones who should be vigorously excising agents of these sects from their ranks are good Muslims.

I don't think people just want Muslims to condemn the attacks, they want them to get pissed and actively work to eliminate the attackers.

Muslims ARE fighting against these groups across Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan etc.

The problem is that those who pick up arms against terrorism in their back yard see inefficient tatics carried out by western parties that result in the death of their loved ones, their cities and towns reduced to rubble, and their own governments go against them for
Self interest. They have no real allies and laughable resources to support them through to the end. So they put the fun down and fuck off out of their country, see the recent exodus to Europe, or just stop fighting since, as it stands, there is no way to win.

Plus the loss poor coverage of the global media in showing that Muslims wish and do something about the ugly problem of extremist Islam.

 

[Laughing Banana]

The Islamic Front is fighting ISIS in Syria, and they reject secularism and want sharia law to be the law of the land.

Anti-ISIS doesn't mean pro-Western liberal values.

See the post above you.

It seems like unless all Muslims personally took arms and go shed blood directly in the fight against ISIS, some people just would keep shouting "You need to do more!" to us over and over and over again.

But who am I kidding. Even if all Muslims do just that, some people would still demand us to do more regardless anyways. Some people, and may I say this bluntly?, wouldn't be satisfied unless all Muslims sacrificed their lives to fight against ISIS, I'm sure.

 

[Walpurgis]

The good muslims are the only ones that can overturn this sick society we live in.
If these good muslims don't bother to do the utmost amount of effort to condemn these acts, they are just as bad. Stop turning blind eyes.

Every terrorist was once a good muslim. They, good and bad, all once had the same mosques in common.

I'm not condemning anything for your sake. I'm not going to do anything at all, actually. I am in Canada and had nothing to do with this, if that wasn't obvious. I'm just going to continue my life as normal.

 

[His Majesty]

How about you start up by reporting your neighbor criminals? How about we start by reporting blatantly racist people in this thread?

Can we be at least a little bit realistic about the situation? Do you think they go to work and discuss this with their colleagues? Or even with their family members?

Yes, it's difficult but it's also necessary. How is Salah Abdeslam able to hide in Brussels for months after the Paris attacks without anyone noticing anything suspicious? Is it too much to ask from moderate muslims to report extremist tendencies in their community to the police? Or hell, even notify them that there is possibly a mass murderer living nextdoor?

In another thread I saw people suggesting quite vigorously that cops who don't report corruption and other bad cops are just as bad themselves. Shouldn't we hold other communities to the same standards?

 

[Mr. Giggles]

The good muslims are the only ones that can overturn this sick society we live in.
If these good muslims don't bother to do the utmost amount of effort to condemn these acts, they are just as bad. Stop turning blind eyes.

Every terrorist was once a good muslim. They, good and bad, all once had the same mosques in common.

Yea next time I'm at the big Muslim meeting, I'll be sure to keep an ear out.

Get out of here with your racist bullshit

 

[univariate]

Do more, muslims.


Your same link shows that the majority oppose extremism and suicide attacks. I'm not terrified.

Don't forget the Jordanian pilot who was captured and killed by ISIS.