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[ricardo_sousa11]

What does any of this mean? Would 5 years at war make you more radicalized if you are stuck in a middle of it? Why? My thinking would be this would make you care less about radical BS and more about food. You are making a HUGE leaps of logic.

And even if you were right I'm guessing your "solution" would be to shut down borders? Don't you think ISIS has enough money to work around this? Plus what would you do about people who already live inside the country? Deport them? Where would you send them to?

So you believe 5 years in civil war, watching people die regularly, guts and brains, family and friends dying wouldnt have an impact on you psychologically? Maybe they join the radicals because they simply cant afford to eat ? Maybe when the body of your dead brother is on the floor (regardless of who killed him) someone shows up and says "join us and we'll avenge your brother", maybe the lack of works and any regards for life is enough.

I think you're underestimating things by a long long long shot!

I would shut down the borders and increase military forces to avoid confrontations. All money that ISIS spends on trying to get here (which is now basically free) is money they dont spend on weaponry. To the people who are here, those who live on the camps should be moved to safer areas outside of the EU, those who are living here/with work, should stay and be closely guided and have psychological help in order to integrate better. It would be hard and expensive, but its better than just throwing everyone in tents and not give them anything to do for months (as its happening now).

Would this work ? Maybe, maybe not, but having everyone jump in here with all these problems to consider, without any individual follow up isnt the solution.

 

[Chaos17]

The ice cream rumor is unconfirmed and comes from brit journalists, take it with caution.
Th guy had his truck license for about 1 year and a half, nothing particularly wrong in him being able to rent a truck, he wasn't a known criminal!
A refused loan by his bank is said to be one of the cause of his recent depressive behavior, his ex-wife is currently being interrogated.

Source ?

 

[SPEEDxNASTY]

Local authorities report that the road will re-opened in about 2 hours.
Despite being a highly important and dense avenue, isn't it a bit too soon? the trauma is still too strong.

 

[Arials]

It really sounds like a crazy person to me, who wanted to pretend to be a terrorist for his own reasons.

He wasn't pretending to be a terrorist, he was being a terrorist. You don't need a hotline to ISIS HQ to be a terrorist.

 

[Resident_UA]

How do you fix problems like: men coming from countries where women have no rights whatsoever. Now they're looking at independent women running around in skirts and high heels. I'm 100% about one thing when it comes to Islam: sexuality of muslim men is not totally eradicated by their religion. So many muslim migrant men find themselves in a almost paradox situation: they come from countries where they are running all businesses, keeping women and their public sexuality down. Now they're in a situation where they're facing women not being held down by those rules. Maybe they even like what they see, but they can't handle being rejected which leads to sexual frustration in the long run.

You really don't know much about other cultures, do you? Just because there are cultural differences it does not mean that people from that culture are robots or something. You can still talk to them. Even in Ukraine my grandmother would flip out when my cousins (girls) went outside on a holiday without a headscarf. My neighbors in my village would flip out when they say my aunt driving a car. It doesn't mean that they were horrible people.

You are just making a lot of assumptions that I could never make without being in the same situation. If you are right I don't see why these men would ever decide to go to the country that they will hate so much and stay there.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Yep this is a real fucking problem when you can't even predict where this is coming from, when there's people acting completely on their own volition in certain terrorist-like attacks now.

Supposedly the weapons in the truck were fake?

Police found various weapons, including fake guns, in the Nice attacker's lorry.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-15/police-found-fake-weapons-in-nice-attackers-lorry/

Looks like they found real weapons, and some fake ones.

 

[Alx]

He wasn't pretending to be a terrorist, he was being a terrorist. You don't need a hotline to ISIS HQ to be a terrorist.

Well, "pretend to be in a terrorist group" then. The thing is he may not even care for any ideology, like the former example in Dijon could prove.

Looks like they found real weapons, and some fake ones.

He had one 7.65 handgun that he used against the police, plus a plastic gun, two plastic "long guns" and a grenade that was "inactive" (defused ? anyway it was useless).
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/artic...uteur-de-l-attentat-de-nice_4970278_3224.html

 

[Mahonay]

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-15/police-found-fake-weapons-in-nice-attackers-lorry/

Looks like they found real weapons, and some fake ones.

Weird, why would he have both?

 

[SPEEDxNASTY]

Source ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2016/07/15/attentat-nice-chauffeur-camion-zone-ultra-securisee-promenade-des-anglais_n_11011006.html

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Integration is really not as difficult as politicians are making out to be. I grew up in Ukraine where I haven't met a single person of a different race than me or any person who was openly gay. So I wasn't exactly what you would call liberal. But then I got my education in the US and still work in the US. Do you think I still hold the same idiotic beliefs I held as a kid? It's not like my parents or my church told me what to think about very specific aspects of society. Unsegregated education alone makes a huge difference. So instead of passing a ban on face covering which doesn't really achieve much, French politicians (or all western politicians for that matter) should could work on ways of integrating different cultures into the society. But I'm guessing that doesn't help them during election period...



What does any of this nonsense even mean? Do you have any evidence of this? Aren't most recent immigrants Syrian? As far as I know Syria is not one of the more radical nations in that region. In fact it seems to me that Syrians are closer to western culture that some people who were born in France or Belgium...

European immigrants tend to integrate better than those of Asian, African and middle eastern descent (non-whites), especially males who tend to face alot more rejections, angry, rejected, unemployed males often lead to problems, add radicalized preaching into the mix and you end up with a powder keg.

 

[Mahonay]

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2016/07/15/attentat-nice-chauffeur-camion-zone-ultra-securisee-promenade-des-anglais_n_11011006.html

The police are sounding like real nitwits in this situation.

 

[Resident_UA]

I think you're underestimating things by a long long long shot!

What things? You are just talking out of your ass. Sure any of what you said could be true, but it could also be complete bullshit. And there's very little logic behind what you are saying. I think even you can see that. Sure it's scary times, but you can't just invent scenarios and assume that they are true.

European immigrants tend to integrate better than those of Asian, African and middle eastern descent (non-whites), especially males who tend to face alot more rejections, angry, rejected, unemployed males often lead to problems, add radicalized preaching into the mix and you end up with a powder keg.

I can agree that this is a problem. I just don't see many people trying to solve it... Instead all immigrants (and people who just have a different culture) get grouped into the same segment of population.

 

[The First Guardian]

Such a tragedy ...

Is ISIS involved again?

 

[Mahonay]

Such a tragedy ...

Is ISIS involved again?

No. It appears the attacker acted on his own.

 

[Chaos17]

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2016/07/15/attentat-nice-chauffeur-camion-zone-ultra-securisee-promenade-des-anglais_n_11011006.html

Ok but it only explain about why he was able to rent the truck since he had a permit and his small felonies didn't made the agency worried.
Though he did had a fight with another driver that brough him to justice.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

What things? You are just talking out of your ass. Sure any of what you said could be true, but it could also be complete bullshit. And there's very little logic behind what you are saying. I think even you can see that. Sure it's scary times, but you can't just invent scenarios and assume that they are true.



I can agree that this is a problem. I just don't see many people trying to solve it...

Yup im inventing that these can happen on a country thats almost completely destroyd. Maybe you're right, people there wake up at 9 go to work til 13, one hour lunch time with friends, back to work and out at 17pm, go to have a few beers, maybe to a party.

Thats why millions are running from the country, they are tired of this boring normal life.

Geez, Ill stop talking, you clearly have absolutely no idea. These arent "assumptions", they are very very real scenarios, and if you'd care to dig JUST A LITTLE BIT, you'd find countless stories about people who are living there.

 

[SPEEDxNASTY]

A small fist fight after a traffic incident isn't enough to get your driving license.suspended.
As long as your license is valid you can rent a vehicle, even if you are a rapist a murderer or a pedo.

Also, the brave scooter rider has died, I mistakenly said he was ok. RIP...

 

[Resident_UA]

These arent "assumptions", they are very very real scenarios, and if you'd care to dig JUST A LITTLE BIT, you'd find countless stories about people who are living there.

Really? Those are real scenarios? Could you get a a link to this story about a Syrian refugee who you described below and who is currently in the EU?

YOUR QUOTE: "Maybe when the body of your dead brother is on the floor (regardless of who killed him) someone shows up and says "join us and we'll avenge your brother""

I would like to know more about this real scenario that occurred and what this guy did.

 

[Ether_Snake]

People saying he acted alone; he went through the trouble of acquiring weapons, some real and fake, load up a truck, and then just use the truck. Sounds unlikely that he was entirely alone, you can't be some random joe and one day manage to get a bunch of weapons. It sounds more like someone provided this guy with weapons and he expected others to join that never did.

 

[Jabo]

Another shameful attack of Islamic terror against innocent people. This is horrifying.

How is this not bannable??? Islamic terror?? really?

 

[Markoman]

You really don't know much about other cultures, do you? Just because there are cultural differences it does not mean that people from that culture are robots or something. You can still talk to them. Even in Ukraine my grandmother would flip out when my cousins (girls) went outside on a holiday without a headscarf. My neighbors in my village would flip out when they say my aunt driving a car. It doesn't mean that they were horrible people.

You are just making a lot of assumptions that I could never make without being in the same situation. If you are right I don't see why these men would ever decide to go to the country that they will hate so much and stay there.

Congratulations, bringing up this question is the best summarization of the migration problem and how the human psyche works. Simple answer: they have nothing to lose and can't come up with any alternatives! Let's say you and a group of people survived a plane crash in the middle of a desert. This group of people will now argue about two absolutely viable options:
1. Staying at the crash site waiting for help, not wasting resources and using the debris as shelter from the sun
2. Wandering in one direction to find help, which is more risky (wasting resources), but seems better than accepting your fate and doing nothing.

That's all there is to it. In a situation like this you can't know what will turn out to be the better option. (A helicopter arriving a few days after the crash - the group that left the site dying of dehydration) There should be no discussion about the motives of people leaving their country when in most cases it's pretty obvious. The tragedy sets in when they find themselves in a situation which isn't much better than the prior one. It worked for you, well done. It doesn't work for everyone though.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

Really? Those are real scenarios? Could you get a a link to this story about a Syrian refugee who you described below and who is currently in the EU?

YOUR QUOTE: "Maybe when the body of your dead brother is on the floor (regardless of who killed him) someone shows up and says "join us and we'll avenge your brother""

I would like to know more about this real scenario that occurred and what this guy did.

Geez, you're clearly clueless, but instead of writting those comments, spend the same ammount of time researching. You're a big boy you can surely find it.

MY scenarios are improbable, you're right.

 

[NetMapel]

Why is it France again? They have suffered so much attacks in recent years

 

[Liljagare]

A female officer jumped into the truck and wrestled with the driver, potentially saving many lives. Looks like she killed him.

http://www.elespanol.com/mundo/20160715/140236222_0.html

 

[Sun Bather]

Why is it France again? They have suffered so much attwcks in recent years

They got lots of marginalized muslims living in ghettos, and lots of young people with potential to be made into extremists. They have one of the biggest populations in Europe. They are probably one of the best spots to create terror in population, with everything France symbolizes and it being such a popular tourist country. France got huge activity in the middle east and africa, which will also unquestionably lead to revenge attacks.

There's many reasons it's France again.

 

[WonkyPanda]

No. It appears the attacker acted on his own.

I still abide by my theory that the internet is the greatest invention for terrorist since the AK-47. No longer do you need to fly to dangerous areas to receive training or become radicalized. Now, you go to some seedy websites, interact with some deranged individuals on forums, feel like you're part of a group, and then go and pull crazy shit.

 

[Mael]

Geez, you're clearly clueless, but instead of writting those comments, spend the same ammount of time researching. You're a big boy you can surely find it.

MY scenarios are improbable, you're right.

Actually if it's as likely as you claim you should have no issue providing links and examples.
You made the claim, the burden is on you to show that you're not just spouting random bullshit.

 

[Mahonay]

They got lots of marginalized muslims living in ghettos. They have one of the biggest populations in Europe. They are probably one of the best spots to create terror in population, with everything France symbolizes and it being such a popular tourist country. France got huge activity in the middle east and africa, which will also unquestionably lead to revenge attacks.

There's many reasons it's France again.

This is a good highlight of some of the reasons why France has been suffering so many horrible attacks.

I still abide by my theory that the internet is the greatest invention for terrorist since the AK-47. No longer do you need to fly to dangerous areas to receive training or become radicalized. Now, you go to some seedy websites, interact with some deranged individuals on forums, feel like you're part of a group, and then go and pull crazy shit.

The internet definitely enables people to pull shit off they wouldn't otherwise be able to.

I'm still very interested to see if they find out how he got to the point of carrying out this attack.

 

[Resident_UA]

Geez, you're clearly clueless, but instead of writting those comments, spend the same ammount of time researching. You're a big boy you can surely find it.

MY scenarios are improbable, you're right.

In case you didn't get my sarcasm I will clarify. I was saying that you are lying and the story you invented is not true. So I was asking you to source it because I think you just invented this. You can easily prove me wrong (I've been wrong before).

 

[Alx]

People saying he acted alone; he went through the trouble of acquiring weapons, some real and fake, load up a truck, and then just use the truck. Sounds unlikely that he was entirely alone, you can't be some random joe and one day manage to get a bunch of weapons. It sounds more like someone provided this guy with weapons and he expected others to join that never did.

He only had one handgun that was real, and apparently it wasn't a very powerful one. Previous terror attacks showed that organized groups didn't have trouble getting AK47 even for lone wolves, and this guy turns up with a self defense one and a bunch of toys. Sounds really suspicious to me.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Well, "pretend to be in a terrorist group" then. The thing is he may not even care for any ideology, like the former example in Dijon could prove.



He had one 7.65 handgun that he used against the police, plus a plastic gun, two plastic "long guns" and a grenade that was "inactive" (defused ? anyway it was useless).
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/artic...uteur-de-l-attentat-de-nice_4970278_3224.html

He only had one handgun that was real, and apparently it wasn't a very powerful one. Previous terror attacks showed that organized groups didn't have trouble getting AK47 even for lone wolves, and this guy turns up with a self defense one and a bunch of toys. Sounds really suspicious to me.

Police found two automatic weapons, ammunition, a mobile phone and documents in the truck, the prosecutor said. They also found fake weapons and more documents at Lahouaiej-Bouhlel’s residence.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...y-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

I don't know, they seem pretty sure that they found more guns. It's classified under "What we know"

Weird, why would he have both?

I haven't the slightest clue.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

What things? You are just talking out of your ass. Sure any of what you said could be true, but it could also be complete bullshit. And there's very little logic behind what you are saying. I think even you can see that. Sure it's scary times, but you can't just invent scenarios and assume that they are true.



I can agree that this is a problem. I just don't see many people trying to solve it... Instead all immigrants (and people who just have a different culture) get grouped into the same segment of population.

I'm not sure whether there's a solution, westernized non-whites are sometimes expected by both whites and immigrants of the same skin color to behave so as to conform with the typical stereotype, it's harder for men especially. Stereotype and the idea of beauty can be hard to change, it's worse when you have cultural pockets all over the city. In Toronto different cultures live in separate pockets and you can see whites moving out, only few neighborhoods have a healthy mixture. I've lost count for many times I get some form of scorn over the fact my wife and I decided not to give our son a Chinese middle name (my wife being a third generation Canadian wouldn't even know how to pronounce something in Chinese).

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

In case you didn't get my sarcasm I will clarify. I was saying that you are lying and the story you invented is not true. So I was asking you to source it because I think you just invented this. You can easily prove me wrong (I've been wrong before).

It was hypothetical but not unlikely to happen. Even the terrorist from Nice was at a terrorist attack a year ago, so how can you not believe this is likely is beyond me.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Among the 84 victims 10 of them were children and teens.

Source: Le Figaro

 

[Resident_UA]

These arent "assumptions", they are very very real scenarios.

It was hypothetical

Hmmm...

 

[SPEEDxNASTY]

1 real hand gun, 1 fake hand gun, 1 fake M16 assault rifle, 1 fake Kalachnikov, 1 fake/non functioning grenade, ammunitions, 1 phone, ID's and a credit card, a bicycle, NO weapons found at his home.

 

[Ray Wonder]

1 real hand gun, 1 fake hand gun, 1 fake M16 assault rifle, 1 fake Kalachnikov, 1 fake/non functioning grenade, ammunitions, 1 phone, ID's and a credit card, a bicycle, NO weapons found at his home.

Source?

This site seems to think he had two real automatic weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...y-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

 

[Resident_UA]

I'm not sure whether there's a solution, westernized non-whites are sometimes expected by both whites and immigrants of the same skin color to behave so as to conform with the typical stereotype, it's harder for men especially. Stereotype and the idea of beauty can be hard to change, it's worse when you have cultural pockets all over the city. In Toronto different cultures live in separate pockets and you can see whites moving out, only few neighborhoods have a healthy mixture. I've lost count for many times I get some form of scorn over the fact my wife and I decided not to give our son a Chinese middle name (my wife being a third generation Canadian wouldn't even know how to pronounce something in Chinese).

I think only money/education can change it. There's a reason why a lot of the segregated minority communities are poor.

 

[Miggy]

Watching CNN atm. 85+ dead and 200 injured...

 

[commedieu]

1 real hand gun, 1 fake hand gun, 1 fake M16 assault rifle, 1 fake Kalachnikov, 1 fake/non functioning grenade, ammunitions, 1 phone, ID's and a credit card, a bicycle, NO weapons found at his home.

like, pellet guns? Source please.

 

[Kiraly]

How is this not bannable??? Islamic terror?? really?

What else would you call it?

 

[UnluckyKate]

like, pellet guns? Source please.

every french news reported ever since yesterday the one real gun (apaprently a 7,65 caliber, same as AK47... on a handgun... didn't even knew such thing existed...) and fake plastic guns, no confirmation if just toys or bb / pellet guns...

 

[Ray Wonder]

every french news reported ever since yesterday the one real gun (apaprently a 7,65 caliber, same as AK47... on a handgun... didn't even knew such thing existed...) and fake plastic guns, no confirmation if just toys or bb / pellet guns...

The site I quoted's information was posted 30 minutes ago. Maybe it's new information.

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Source?

This site seems to think he had two real automatic weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...y-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

like, pellet guns? Source please.

In french though

He only had one real handgun and some bullets.

Here's the traduction

The trailer of the truck contained only a bike and eight empty pallets. In the passager cabin , were found an automatic pistol caliber 7/65 , charger , cartridges, a second automatic gun fake this time, two replicas of assault rifles , a pierced grenade , a mobile phone and various documents being reviewed

 

[Soldiussnaku]

What else would you call it?

Radical Islamic terror? Extremist Islamic terror? Radical Muslim terror? Fundamentalist Islamic terror?

The term is wrong as that can be applied to the vast majority of practising Muslims who are devout and know better to do this evil sick shit, so the term does not apply.

 

[MistakenMobius]

every french news reported ever since yesterday the one real gun (apaprently a 7,65 caliber, same as AK47... on a handgun... didn't even knew such thing existed...) and fake plastic guns, no confirmation if just toys or bb / pellet guns...

No 7,65mm is a handgun caliber, nothing to do with a war weapon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65×21mm_Parabellum

 

[SPEEDxNASTY]

Source: the official press conference.

https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.nicematin.com/faits-divers/ce-qua-dit-le-procureur-francois-molins-dans-sa-conference-de-presse-65034

(note that I live near Nice and rely on local and french medias, not on international medias)

 

[Joni]

How is this not bannable??? Islamic terror?? really?

Even the French president called it Islamic terrorism...

Radical Islamic terror? Extremist Islamic terror? Radical Muslim terror? Fundamentalist Islamic terror?

The term is wrong as that can be applied to the vast majority of practising Muslims who are devout and know better to do this evil sick shit, so the term does not apply.

There is no such thing as normal terror. The radical/extreme are implied by the terror.

 

[Night Angel]

Radical Islamic terror? Extremist Islamic terror? Radical Muslim terror? Fundamentalist Islamic terror?

The term is wrong as that can be applied to the vast majority of practising Muslims who are devout and know better to do this evil sick shit, so the term does not apply.

Islamic terror is simpler and the Radical portion is implied. I don't think anyone on GAF believes that every Muslim is a terrorist (at least not openly). Correcting someone for using the term that even officials of the countries being attacked and calling for a ban is absurd.

 

[Regginator]

Even the French president called it Islamic terrorism...

Islamic or Islamist? Because I think there's a subtle difference between the two. Islamic is the religion in general, Islamist is a way of pursuing a fraction's goals through violent means in the hopes of toppling the current affairs.