The people that sold him the weapons probably mixed in fakes because he didn't know any better.
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80 killed in Nice, France terrorist attack: truck into crowd, gunfire,"Stay indoors"
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Regginator
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edit: Apparently he was NOT born in France, my bad.
By the way, as a side note, I don't understand why his Tunisian background is relevant? Do they have specific genes suited for terrorism? He's a Frenchman born and raised in France, and grew up in poverty and banlieues where he most likely got "brainwashed" (I dislike the word) and radicalized. Or are, for example, the French football players during the EURO 2016 not Frenchmen as well? But rather the country where their (grand)parents originally came from? It's so backwards and hypocrite.
By the way, as a side note, I don't understand why his Tunisian background is relevant? Do they have specific genes suited for terrorism? He's a Frenchman born and raised in France, and grew up in poverty and banlieues where he most likely got "brainwashed" (I dislike the word) and radicalized. Or are, for example, the French football players during the EURO 2016 not Frenchmen as well? But rather the country where their (grand)parents originally came from? It's so backwards and hypocrite.
MistakenMobius
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From what I got he has dual citizenship
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/nice-attacker-mohamed-lahouaiej-bouhlel-article-1.2712654
Once again, this could be incorrect because apparently news sites suck.
Circle Jerk
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Is this a real distinction? Like other people use it?
DiipuSurotu
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He wasn't born and raised in France, he was born in Tunisia.
There's also 20+ in a comaSo 84 dead and 50 in very serious condition. So very very sad. I hope they recover, but I can see the deaths hitting 100.
Regginator
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That's weird, I could've swear he was born in France. Hmm, I'll have to find a few sources and compare.
SPEEDxNASTY
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Tunisian only, he didn't have the french nationality. Born in Msaken near Sousse in Tunisia.
Regginator
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Yes, the latter is also known as Political Islam, and those to adhere to it are a fraction of the total (normal and innocent) Muslim population.
If they call him a French-Tunesian, it is probably because he has dual citizenship.
Islamic terror is terror in the name of the religion. Islamist terror is terror in the name of the religion. It is the terror in the name of religion that counts.
He is not French. People are identified by their nationality, shocking.
SPEEDxNASTY
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Those people are way too stupid to realise the real culprit is already dead and double check if the social accounts are truly his. Seriously.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
When trying to figure out if the motive is Islam related, you want to look at the culture they came from.
What does it change if he shouted it or not?
If he had a mental breakdown, he could have shouted it for some random reason.
It tells us nothing.
Square2015
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https://i.imgur.com/jnve3Hv.jpg
42% of Muslims under 30 in France support suicide bombings, disturbing as shit.
42% of Muslims under 30 in France support suicide bombings, disturbing as shit.
Thats crazy. Source?
It's all about context, apparently...
Regginator
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He is tunisian only got a residence permit
That one seems to have expired on 14 January 2009, maybe he could have gotten the French nationality in the meanwhile. But that's not very important anyhow, also unless I'm blind, why doesn't a residence permit the place of birth?
SPEEDxNASTY
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No mention of him screaming anything, footage of him being shot can be found, I wont bother posting anything.
What the hell is Youtube doing, allowing footage of dead corpses being posted ???!!! Thats not acceptable and insulting to the families.
What the hell is Youtube doing, allowing footage of dead corpses being posted ???!!! Thats not acceptable and insulting to the families.
If you're born in france you've got a french id card not a residence permit
And the place of birth is behind the card
Why are you really trying to make this guy a french citizen ?
DiipuSurotu
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They know he's dead, they just want to unleash their rage. Hence the "Burn in hell", etc.
Regginator
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I know he was't born in France, others have already told me. I merely observed that this specific permit has been invalid since 2009.
Square2015
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Pew research, the data was posted earlier in this thread. Sorry I couldn't post in a better form (on my iPad).
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Nevermind it's still hosted on Pewresearch, I posted an archived version before.
It sucks, so many people are suckered into anti-western propaganda. (if accurate)
it's going to be worrysome when those young muslims become parents/are parents and teach that hateful rhetoric to their children.
I don't get the use of ever here though. those questions are weirdly phrased.
DiipuSurotu
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Source?
+ That's an incredibly vague question (actually, where's the question?). Maybe some support it for Palestinian freedom fighters or something, which is a whole different topic in itself.
Is actually listed in the picture he posted.
The two questions were loosely related. Since the independent reported that he wasn't being monitored and wasn't religious, I'm still leaving the mental instability angle open before calling this terrorism (in the strict sense of pushing a political agenda with terror).
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Was talking to someone at work today and they seem to think these past few events might push France to follow the UK and exit the EU, and strengthen their border and immigration laws.
No, it's no where in any french news.
I guess it depends on the results of the 2017 elections.
I found something else
http://www.pewglobal.org/files/pdf/253.pdf
Support for Suicide Bombing
Violence against civilian targets in order to defend Islam can be justified...
French Muslims
Often/Sometimes
16
Rarely
19
Never
64
DK
1=100
Both data are severly outdated, it's been conducted in 2006.
Needless to say that we might have reasons to think they view this differently now.
That guy in Orlando said everything and its contrary, he even shouted Alah Akbar and everything it still told us nothing.
Square2015
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Here's the original post (from page 37.)
SPEEDxNASTY
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Thats what the Front National might say, hopefully common sense will prevail.
Alx
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If our politicians were stupid enough to call for a referendum right now it could happen, with people voting out of fear. But it would be just as silly and ineffective as it was in Britain. How would immigration laws have prevented such attack? He wasn't even from the EU and wasn't an illegal immigrant.
*sigh*
DO NOT POST random picture found on imgur about serious incident like, THANKS!
If you can't find any reliable source, just do not post then.
This not respectful at all.
Edit: I dislike polling like this because I doubt they would've phone all the citizen of France to have the accurante numbers.
But here a more "reliable" source at least http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/so...n-etrange-sondage-venu-de-russie_1568756.html
From french news gamazin, article from 2014.
15% of frenchs (not specialy muslim) were favorable but the article was kinda made by Russia agency so...
Take it with a grain of salt those poolings!!
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
Yes, this stat is also in the source I gave. It's one page up, in the source. Which specifies the point "Violence against civilian targets in order to defend Islam can be justified..." But the one posted was about suicide bombing in general. Not against civilians.
France won't exit EU, "we" are more angry about our politicians than about the EU
Recently cazeneuve our ministry in charge of homeland security received the result of an investigation from the parliament to improve the fight against terrorism and improve police and secret service.
Well to resume all he did with this was to wipe his ass with it
And the report doesn't even talk about ISIS and has a big paragraph about Al Qaeda.
It's outdated info.
SPEEDxNASTY
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So true.
It's very old info though.
I mean it's kinda polling for support of US troup in the US in 2003 with a poll from 1998.
I wouldn't use that data to make any kind of point today.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
No you're right, I was just saying that it was included in my source too. It's too old to be relevant. 11 years is a long time.
Clockwork5
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I know it is not a popular opinion in these parts but it is beyond time for the western world to close its borders, get our military out of the Middle East and let them sort it out.
It may not stop today, or next year or this decade but in a generation or two? There is a possibility.
Otherwise we are just continuing on the same path and hoping for change. Insanity.
It may not stop today, or next year or this decade but in a generation or two? There is a possibility.
Otherwise we are just continuing on the same path and hoping for change. Insanity.
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