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[SinCityAssassin]

Has it? From Nintendo or just speculation from the journalists?

Anyhow, with a better CPU and a GPU around Xbone, Zelda should look better on NX than on Wii U, I don't even understand how is this questionable?

Nintendo have certainly not said Zelda will look significantly better on NX. Random people on twitter may have drawn that conclusion but that doesn't count for much.

Aonuma himself stated that the visuals between the two will differ, but the experience will be the same.

It's obvious that he's alluding to the NX version having better graphics.

 

[Kikorin]

Aonuma said Zelda will have "different visual" on NX, but he didn't said "better".

Anyway I think it's obviously NX will be better than Wii U speaking on hardware, even if it's a handheld.

 

[KingSnake]

Aonuma himself stated that the visuals between the two will differ, but the experience will be the same.

Wasn't that more Tom Philips speculating about it than something Aonuma said?

 

[BKSmash]

Form factors. Chip vendors. Gimmick. Reveal date announcement. Etc.

YES! I'm so hyped, so within the next 5 days we will have these things pretty much confirmed... Amazing.

 

[Dmax3901]

YES! I'm so hyped, so within the next 5 days we will have these things pretty much confirmed... Amazing.

If this is the case I'll eat my cats.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Wasn't that more Tom Philips speculating about it than something Aonuma said?

No, Philips said that's what Aonuma straight up told him.

 

[J@hranimo]

Hmm. I knew there was a reason why this thread was at the top of page one!

Not really believing any leaks at this point. Just looking out for official statements from Nintendo themselves about the NX. Hopefully not too many people get burnt out from the rumors and leaks again

 

[ReyVGM]

It is crazy how out of touch Nintendo is. They work with a company to create the biggest phenomenon. And they probably could have purchased said company, but they fucked it up. They are getting something like 13% on their own fully own property. Who negotiated that? I guess Nintendo of America.

Not sure, but Nintendo America finally did something, and negotiated something like 13% revenue, meanwhile they own. Just about every aspect, but some idiot made a deal where they their property should have been 50% at least.

Newsflash, Nintendo doesn't fully own Pokemon. They only own 32%. There are too many companies involved in Pokemon Go's creation, and Nintendo isn't one of them.

 

[Eolz]

Edit: Nintendo was definitely involved in pokemon go's creation.

If this is the case I'll eat my cats.

Don't do that

 

[Graphics Horse]

Aonuma himself stated that the visuals between the two will differ, but the experience will be the same.

It's obvious that he's alluding to the NX version having better graphics.

I don't doubt it will be different unless NX is literally a rebadged Wii U. But how are people reading that supposed differences would be significant enough to prove it couldn't be a portable?

 

[sfried]

Newsflash, Nintendo doesn't fully own Pokemon. They only own 32%. There are too many companies involved in Pokemon Go's creation, and Nintendo isn't one of them.

Newsflash: Iwata was directly involved with Pokemon GO's conception.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Newsflash, Nintendo doesn't fully own Pokemon. They only own 32%. There are too many companies involved in Pokemon Go's creation, and Nintendo isn't one of them.

Aside from owning the IP, from owning part of Niantic, from basically being the owner of both TPC and Creatures in a sense that neither would be able to act without their consent... yeah they aren't involved at all.

 

[AmyS]

Waiting,,,Lets do this, one last time.

 

[KingSnake]

I don't doubt it will be different unless NX is literally a rebadged Wii U. But how are people reading that supposed differences would be significant enough to prove it couldn't be a portable?

With the handheld being more powerful than Wii U but rendering at a lower resolution, it's very probable that Zelda will look better on a NX handheld.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

It is crazy how out of touch Nintendo is. They work with a company to create the biggest phenomenon. And they probably could have purchased said company, but they fucked it up. They are getting something like 13% on their own fully own property. Who negotiated that? I guess Nintendo of America.

Not sure, but Nintendo America finally did something, and negotiated something like 13% revenue, meanwhile they own. Just about every aspect, but some idiot made a deal where they their property should have been 50% at least.

Nintendo wasn't largely involved with the development of GO beyond the conception and supervision, and also do you know how the concept and process of buying companies work? The fuck are you on.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I know this is a general Nintendo financial thread but do we really have to do the Pokémon ownership routine all over again here?

 

[Pandy]

Nintendo have certainly not said Zelda will look significantly better on NX. Random people on twitter may have drawn that conclusion but that doesn't count for much.

I didn't say 'significantly' better. I can't find the Reggie quote I was thinking of, but the only Aonuma quote I could find said it had 'different' graphics.

Has it? From Nintendo or just speculation from the journalists?

Anyhow, with a better CPU and a GPU around Xbone, Zelda should look better on NX than on Wii U, I don't even understand how is this questionable?

Because you aren't getting XBO power in a low-cost handheld, and if the handheld IS the NX, with just a TV docking hybrid power boost accessory thingy, then it would be weird for them to talk about it that way. Nothing points towards hybrid while the more likely option of two distinct devices remains.

EDIT: Not meaning to get bogged down in NX speculation again, just didn't see why the hybrid thing was getting brought up again just because a 'docking station' has been mentioned.

 

[Herb Alpert]

So things are in motion again? Nice!

 

[SinCityAssassin]

I know this is a general Nintendo financial thread but do we really have to do the Pokémon ownership routine all over again here?

People keep digging it back up. I've had to explain the concept at about half a dozen times in the past three weeks.

 

[Graphics Horse]

With the handheld being more powerful than Wii U but rendering at a lower resolution, it's very probable that Zelda will look better on a NX handheld.

Once you drop the resolution it becomes a matter of opinion

 

[blu]

Once you drop the resolution it becomes a matter of opinion

More like a matter of view distance : )

 

[KingSnake]

Once you drop the resolution it becomes a matter of opinion

Native 540p/720p might look better than 720p upscaled to 1080p.

And whatever the opinion is, it will have "different visuals" as Aonuma said.

 

[ReyVGM]

Aside from owning the IP, from owning part of Niantic, from basically being the owner of both TPC and Creatures in a sense that neither would be able to act without their consent... yeah they aren't involved at all.

No. They do not own the IP, TPC owns it and Nintendo is only one-third owner of TPC. They do not own Creatures either, they only own an undisclosed amount, but it's not over 50%.

Niantic already said how Pokemon Go came to be and Nintendo wasn't involved aside from maybe a few pointers from Miyamoto. The mayority of dealings were with TPC.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I didn't say 'significantly' better. I can't find the Reggie quote I was thinking of, but the only Aonuma quote I could find said it had 'different' graphics.

I know you didn't, but you seemed to imply that a handheld would need 'significantly' better graphics to tally with the quote.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

No. They do not own the IP, TPC owns it and Nintendo is only one-third owner of TPC. They do not own Creatures either, they only own an undisclosed amount, but it's not over 50%.

Niantic already said how Pokemon Go came to be and Nintendo wasn't involved aside from maybe a few pointers from Miyamoto. The mayority of dealings were with TPC.

TPC does not own the IP. The IP is co-owned beween GF, Creatures, and Nintendo. Nintendo owns all the TRADEMARKS for Pokemon.

TPC is the brand manager of all of it.

You see graphics horse, this is what I'm talking about.

 

[Pandy]

I know you didn't, but you seemed to imply that a handheld would need 'significantly' better graphics to tally with the quote.

Yes, I think it's unlikely that a handheld device from Nintendo being manufactured this year is going to be more graphically capable than the WiiU.

There are a number of ways I could be wrong, but Nintendo were very clear about learning the lessons of the 3DS launch, so I don't think they'll be shooting for the moon with the price tag.

 

[LewieP]

Still amazed that people think Nintendo are going to make a single extremely compromised device despite rudimentary logic and the scant few statements Nintendo have put out regarding NX contradict that notion.

I've never even heard anyone clearly explain what the advantages of a handheld that is also a home console would be. I don't think anyone suggesting it has really put enough thought into the blend of balanced thermal output, power consumption, resolution output and cost that the two device classes require. They are significantly different devices with very different usage scenarios, and are designed as such.

 

[Aostia]

Why would Nikkei be leaking to western games sites and not just publishing on their own?

They will, imho.

 

[AmyS]

Because you aren't getting XBO power in a low-cost handheld, and if the handheld IS the NX, with just a TV docking hybrid power boost accessory thingy, then it would be weird for them to talk about it that way. Nothing points towards hybrid while the more likely option of two distinct devices remains.

EDIT: Not meaning to get bogged down in NX speculation again, just didn't see why the hybrid thing was getting brought up again just because a 'docking station' has been mentioned.

Still amazed that people think Nintendo are going to make a single extremely compromised device despite rudimentary logic and the scant few statements Nintendo have put out regarding NX contradict that notion.

I've never even heard anyone clearly explain what the advantages of a handheld that is also a home console would be. I don't think anyone suggesting it has really put enough thought into the blend of balanced thermal output, power consumption, resolution output and cost that the two device classes require. They are significantly different devices with very different usage scenarios, and are designed as such.

Two posts with good points, I agree with you both.

 

[KingSnake]

Yes, I think it's unlikely that a handheld device from Nintendo being manufactured this year is going to be more graphically capable than the WiiU.

There are a number of ways I could be wrong, but Nintendo were very clear about learning the lessons of the 3DS launch, so I don't think they'll be shooting for the moon with the price tag.

We had this discussion before. A Nvidia Tegra device is $200. Nvidia being known to like big margins too. You don't need an expensive device to have something better than Wii U these days.

I don't think anyone suggesting it has really put enough thought into the blend of balanced thermal output, power consumption, resolution output and cost that the two device classes require. They are significantly different devices with very different usage scenarios, and are designed as such.

Thraktor (and I think also Forth Storm) put actually a lot of thoughts into all of that. His post(s) are somewhere around here, maybe in the thread about Accurate or the one about Emily's NX rumour. Edit: ignore this, I was thinking about something else.

 

[Mr Swine]

I honestly think that the handheld has to be on par or more powerful than the Wii U if they want the handheld to get Smartphone ports and be relevant in at least 4 years from now.

Are there any low end parts that achieve that or would they need to go with middle end hardware to be on par or better than Wii U?

CPU wise anything that is quad core would be on par with Wii U CPU?

 

[AGoodODST]

Still amazed that people think Nintendo are going to make a single extremely compromised device despite rudimentary logic and the scant few statements Nintendo have put out regarding NX contradict that notion.

I've never even heard anyone clearly explain what the advantages of a handheld that is also a home console would be. I don't think anyone suggesting it has really put enough thought into the blend of balanced thermal output, power consumption, resolution output and cost that the two device classes require. They are significantly different devices with very different usage scenarios, and are designed as such.

Not only that, but surely it is an easier solution to just go the route of having a shared ecosystem (for example Apple devices, or PS3/4 and Vita) rather than going through the trouble of making a hybrid device.

 

[G.ZZZ]

We had this discussion before. A Nvidia Tegra device is $200. Nvidia being known to like big margins too. You don't need an expensive device to have something better than Wii U these days.



Thraktor (and I think also Forth Storm) put actually a lot of thoughts into all of that. His post(s) are somewhere around here, maybe in the thread about Accurate or the one about Emily's NX rumour.

Thraktor made a long post on the assumption there would be two devices with similar configurations (both ARM + Nvidia based tegra, the handheld was about 1/8 the power of the home console or even less since batteries sucks in general). An hybrid would mean that it would still be around Wii U's level, since even the best Tegra get around 0.5 GFlops and that'd be vastly underclocked for portable consumption. That'd cost easily 300+ with nintendo margins.
If nintendo come out with only a 300 $ handheld as their own console they're gonna sell 0 units in non-japanese markets. The market for expensive handhelds don't exist aynmore with phones around. Such an "hybrid" still make 0 sense. 2 different consoles is the most logical choices, and they wouldn't abandon either market with the shared library, no need to go for some expensive form factor that no one would want.

 

[sfried]

No. They do not own the IP, TPC owns it and Nintendo is only one-third owner of TPC. They do not own Creatures either, they only own an undisclosed amount, but it's not over 50%.

Niantic already said how Pokemon Go came to be and Nintendo wasn't involved aside from maybe a few pointers from Miyamoto. The mayority of dealings were with TPC.

Miyamoto outright mentioned Iwata's involvement. This was a few weeks/month after the wake of Iwata.

TPC was formed by Nintnendo to handle all licensing deals.

 

[TLZ]

If this is the case I'll eat my cats.

Please don't.

 

[KingSnake]

Thraktor made a long post on the assumption there would be two devices with similar configurations (both ARM + Nvidia based tegra, the handheld was about 1/8 the power of the home console or even less since batteries sucks in general).

I think you're right about that. I was thinking about the possibility of using this config for handheld, but that doesn't make a point for the hybrid.

An hybrid would mean that it would still be around Wii U's level, since even the best Tegra get around 0.5 GFlops and that'd be vastly underclocked for portable consumption. That'd cost easily 300+ with nintendo margins.
If nintendo come out with only a 300 $ handheld as their own console they're gonna sell 0 units in non-japanese markets. The market for expensive handhelds don't exist aynmore with phones around. Such an "hybrid" still make 0 sense. 2 different consoles is the most logical choices, and they wouldn't abandon either market with the shared library, no need to go for some expensive form factor that no one would want.

Why would it easily cost $300 for Nintendo? What would drive the price up by more than $100 for Nintendo compared to a Shield device?

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Why would it easily cost $300 for Nintendo? What would drive the price up by more than $100 for Nintendo compared to a Shield device?

Custom tech, form-factor, novel gimmick, possibly a more expensive way to make the battery last long.

 

[E-phonk]

Custom tech, form-factor, novel gimmick, possibly a more expensive way to make the battery last long.

+ nvidea makes their own (gpu) chips, so they only need to make profit on the device as a whole, not on every custom part.

 

[Peterc]

Form factors. Chip vendors. Gimmick. Reveal date announcement. Etc.

Do you maybe know what it would be?

On the other side, i doubt they will do it.

Why would Nintendo doesn't make an announcement about it, also without any show/direct?

 

[KingSnake]

Custom tech, form-factor, novel gimmick, possibly a more expensive way to make the battery last long.

He was talking about Nintendo margins. Of course if you assume they build a space ship it will cost billions.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Do you maybe know what it would be?

He wouldn't be a "messenger" if he knew more than what he's heard.

 

[G.ZZZ]

Add weak yen to that too.

 

[OBias]

I wonder if the platform he mentions is NX: https://twitter.com/HenryHoffman/status/757866161979715584

 

[KingSnake]

+ nvidea makes their own (gpu) chips, so they only need to make profit on the device as a whole, not on every custom part.

It's not like Nintendo buys GPUs at retail price either. If they choose Nvidia, they will also get a good price. There is a HP chromebook with Tegra that sells a bit above $200 and a tablet from Nabi (?) I think that is somewhere around $200-$250.

If Nintendo is that bad with the margins that they can't match those, then whatever NX is it will be overprice according to this theory.

Add weak yen to that too.

You mean strong yen? Yes, that might hurt Nintendo a bit.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Nintendo console rumour mills are the Sonic Cycle of the electronics world.

 

[Peterc]

One other tought, could be stuppid or maybe not.


What if they release a controller with as display a "3d cube/rectangle shape of hologram" in the middle of the controller instead of a screen.

3d would work perfectly.

I mean like this:

You could also take the cubse outside the controller and place it on the table to go around it, or use it as second screen...

 

[Kurt]

Could work as a second display placing it on a table.

 

[AmyS]

One other tought, could be stuppid or maybe not.


What if they release a controller with as display a "3d cube/rectangle shape of hologram" in the middle of the controller instead of a screen.

3d would work perfectly.

I mean like this:

Wasn't something along those lines rumored for Project Cafe's controller / Wii U GamePad screen ?

Might be mis-remembering,

 

[SinCityAssassin]

What if they release a controller with as display a "3d cube/rectangle shape of hologram" in the middle of the controller instead of a screen.

I can tell you what that'd be.

Not a great form factor.

 

[LewieP]

Worth noting that Nintendo typically put more effort (money) into ensuring their hardware is designed to be durable. They wanted the DS to survive a fall from a bicycle basket, and the Wii to survive being sat on by an adult.