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Oh yeah, we are getting Z moves while Zygarde is getting shafted. He died for our sins.
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Final Forms of the Alola Starter Pokemon Leaked [MASSIVE SPOILERS]
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The point is Venusaur would be exceedingly difficult compared to others. He has much more detail in his plant alone than many Pokemon in subsequent generations do in their entirety.
This is a weird standard for deciding whether something is overdesigned.
Gotta get away, away from Z!
Given the presence of Zygarde's new Formes in Alola, I would be surprised if the Z-Moves weren't somehow related to Zygarde.
Hecatonchires Custom
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I still have faith in Popplio, hopefully it turns out decent.
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I thought about that too, all that talk about final forms, 50% energy, 100% energy. Maybe someone learns how to harness that energy and we end up using it on our pokemons.
RomanceDawn
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I wish the rest of the world would know this. When they see it in nature they too will be put at ease. And if not for Blazikens big chicken hands this real animal would look more humanoid than it.
Shadow Broker
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I love Rowlet last evolution but Litten has grown on me now.
If Litten is Fire/Dark then I'll use whoever has the highest base speed.
If Litten is Fire/Dark then I'll use whoever has the highest base speed.
I'm seriously feeling overwhelmed by all of the amazing new Pokemon designs.
I love all three starter evos and want to have them all on my team.
Among the other Pokemon, I especially like Rockruff, Komala, Drampa, Cutiefly, Salandit, Comfey, Mudsdale, and Oricorio (all four forms, but especially the Fire and Ghost forms).
Alolan Exeggutor, Alolan Sandshrew and Alolan Ninetales are all god-tier.
TOO MANY GOOD POKEYMANZ
I love all three starter evos and want to have them all on my team.
Among the other Pokemon, I especially like Rockruff, Komala, Drampa, Cutiefly, Salandit, Comfey, Mudsdale, and Oricorio (all four forms, but especially the Fire and Ghost forms).
Alolan Exeggutor, Alolan Sandshrew and Alolan Ninetales are all god-tier.
TOO MANY GOOD POKEYMANZ
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Litten and Rowlett are now tied for me. It's so hard to choose, guys. 
...what? Are we looking at the same pokemon?
...what? Are we looking at the same pokemon?
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After Gen 4 and 5, I must say that, problems aside, GF is on a roll with Gen 6 and 7. Yes there are problems with framerate, yes they are not using the N3DS' power and yes they went with the higher userbase again instead of a new console, but when talking about roster I can't complain.
Gen 4 and 5 were the Dark Ages, the Medieval times. We're entering the Renaissance now.
Gen 4 and 5 were the Dark Ages, the Medieval times. We're entering the Renaissance now.
Not to mention that the male and female look different so the drawing would have to account for that too.
How is Venasaur an overdesigned pokemon lmao. The bulb grows into a budding flower which then blooms into a tree.
Anyway, I was so so sure that these were fake when they were first leaked. All because I couldn't believe that Gamefreak would put out such a ridiculously awful final evo for Litten.
Still super stoked that they end up being true though. Siren!Popplio is /beautiful/ and Archer!Rowlet is an A+ tier design. I feel bad for the disappointed Litten fans.
Anyway, I was so so sure that these were fake when they were first leaked. All because I couldn't believe that Gamefreak would put out such a ridiculously awful final evo for Litten.
Still super stoked that they end up being true though.
Siren!Popplio is /beautiful/ and Archer!Rowlet is an A+ tier design. I feel bad for the disappointed Litten fans.SomePerson
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Ugh, Litten just went from having the potential to be my most favorite starters ever to not wanting anything to do with it. I love cats and it was on its way to becoming my most favorite cat Pokemon. What an awful final evolution. I don't even care if it isn't Fire/Fighting, they just couldn't help but do another humanoid fire starter that resembles the Infernapes, Blazikens, and Emboars of the past. They just couldn't do anything new with it or even keep it quadruped. Welp, It's Rowlet all the way for me at this point.
"Overdesigned" does not refer to concept. None of the Pokemon are overdesigned conceptually. I was saying Venusaur is overdesigned in terms of the complexity of the plant (the shapes, the layers, the frills, the details, etc). I'm speaking to its visual design, which is usually what people are talking about when they comment on design.
Again, Venusaur is one of my favorite Pokemon, so I'm not hating when I point out he's overdesigned. I bring it up more in response to those who say the newer final evos are "overdesigned." My point is they're no worse than Venusaur in terms of a busy-looking design with lots of layers and details.
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Venusaur might be garbage, but at least Ivysaur is the coolest stage 2 starter.
Anyway, I only like Rowlet's final evo. Popplio's is ok I guess and Litten's is terrible.
Anyway, I only like Rowlet's final evo. Popplio's is ok I guess and Litten's is terrible.
Ah, okay. I'd still argue that Venusaur's design isn't anything too complicated or busy-looking. Compare Venusaur to something like Ludicolo or Chestnaught. The little attention to details of Venusaur's design (be it its fanning leaves or the bright pink plant on its back) doesn't bog down/crowd its overall look. Does that make any sense? @_@ Sometimes the lil details can overwhelm a pokemon's look but I'm just not seeing that with Venusaur.
And yeah, I don't find these final evos (esp Rowlet's and Popplio's) to be over-designed too.
No.
Nobody can accurately draw any starters from memory. What you'll get is the same for all of them: " a dragon", "a turtle with cannons" and "a dinosaur with a flower".
I would definitely argue that most people would get gen1 starters pretty close compared to any other gen because they used such strong and minimalistic archetypes in gen1. A luxury they naturally have exhausted since then.
Ultimadrago
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Wanna say that to his face, hm?
Blastoise is cool and all, but his original sprite looks horrible.
linkandzelda
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Litten is great. His apparent evolution is not. By far the worst Pokémon I've seen from Gen 7 so far if true.
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What is this madness?
papertoonz
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it looks bad, why is it a circle
As much as I like Litten, I really don't like how its final form looks. On the other hand, I actually like the final form of the water starter! I think it looks pretty cool. Don't really see what's wrong with it being feminine looking. I usually go with water starters anyway, so I think I'll go with one again this time around.
DeployThatPizza
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There's a good chance, considering the information can be easily guessed and the leak got a couple things wrong.
I'm pretty sure that I've heard "a child should be able to draw it" as a design goal for a ton of things.
It's entirely possible they went with alternate designs for one or several of them, but they are essentially confirmed as actual leaks due to showing a character that was revealed yesterday.
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Over designed does not mean complicated, it means extraneous. I don't think there's much you could remove from Venusaur's design. Compare that to say Mega Sharpedo which is the poster boy for random crap everywhere.
Wanna say that to his face, hm?
lmao Blastoise is such a garbage Pokemon. I can't believe there's people that actually like that shit especially in the same gen that brought us Charizard. I swear people who chose Squirtle were future hipsters that went for the crappier choice just for the sake of being different.
Furthermore, the fact that Blastoise gets a pass despite being the most Digimon-like Pokemon will always be a human tragedy.
Ban Puncher
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Litten DLC for Pokken Tournament yesterday.
level1
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Yeah. I love tiger mask. Not tryhard tiger mask imitations.
When I think "over-designed", I think of loads of unnecessary details like spikes and stripes that don't add anything to the design except making it "look cooler". I don't think Venusaur really qualifies cause there's not really that much going on. It's a big lumpy toad with a tree on its back
yup, and whichever mod created that poll has a poor taste :<
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Is the Popplio backlash because of the non-gender neutral design?
How come its easier to envision a female Litten with that form than a male Popplio
How come its easier to envision a female Litten with that form than a male Popplio
Pokemon is a manly game for manly men who put manly mice into their manly balls.
Its actually a lot more simple to draw than you are implying.
Yup, that's already much better, current starter evos looks like shit to me
level1
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First I'm gonna note that I'm no Genwunner and I enjoyed all the Pokemon games up to Gen 6.
I think this post encompasses why I think the final evos since Gen 3 have been a miss for the most part. I don't see why Gamefreak insists on making generally cool starters evolve into some humanoid thing all the time instead of just being a bigger version of its basic form. I love me some Blaziken but GF can't seem to hit the same magic with the starters as they did with that evo line.
Why couldn't the owl become a bigger owl? The cat become a bigger cat? Why does the owl have to become a ranger, and why does the cat have to be wrestler? Hell, the cat could've been on two legs - just lose the stupid belt.
While I don't oppose humanoid start evos (again, Blaziken is awesome), Gen 2's starters had consistency. Gen 4's would've been good if Infernape didn't look silly.
papertoonz
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becuase it boring, gen 2 have the most boring set of starters and they all follow that design logic
like i agree that not all starters need to become humanoid but using "it just gets bigger" as a design logic isn't any good either
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