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[SOR5]

I honestly thought these two things were the same thing.

Thats a little bit on you, and a little bit on MS

They shouldnt have used the letter S but I think that'll just become something people get in the future

I think both Sony and Microsoft are doing their best not to alienate existing customers but also make these new consoles appealing. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see either of them change their rules depending on how the market plays out. I see these new iterative consoles playing out one of 3 ways:

- Neo/Scorpio sell okay while PS4/Xbox One continue to see healthy sales. Devs focus on the baseline consoles and the stronger console versions of games see modest improvements (this is the most likely scenario imo)

- Neo/Scorpio sell extremely well and sales for PS4/Xbox One see a huge drop off. Devs focus on taking advantage of the power of the newer consoles while the baseline version suffer. Eventually baseline consoles don't even get support

- Neo/Scorpio barely move the needle, PS4/Xbox One are still the primary install base. Devs barely give any attention to the Neo/Scorpio version other than brute force improvements (60fps, higher res, etc.)

I kind of agree with you, but I see PS4 and Neo sharing a healthy degree of equal sales whilst on the XB1 side XB1 sales will dwindle in favour of Scorpio

 

[n0razi]

MS and Sony just need to put out a piece saying VR will only run on Scorpio/Neo... just yank the bandaid and get rid of this confusion which reminds me of the Wii U naming debacle.

 

[icespide]

MS and Sony just need to put out a piece saying VR will only run on Scorpio/Neo... just yank the bandaid and get rid of this confusion which reminds me of the Wii U naming debacle.

why would Sony do such a thing when PSVR runs fine on PS4?

 

[LifEndz]

Technically an upgraded Xbox One
Marketed as a brand new console with the original XB1 being forwards compatibile

Their whole "no more generations" speech was so that people would think Xbox One would play any games going forward.

Got it. Thanks.

 

[spectator]

You are on an internet video game forum

Yes, and I, like you, am not confused about this issue.

Meanwhile, many other people are not on an internet video game forum...

 

[cakely]

MS and Sony just need to put out a piece saying VR will only run on Scorpio/Neo... just yank the bandaid and get rid of this confusion which reminds me of the Wii U naming debacle.

Except that's not the case with Neo.

 

[Hockeymac18]

Or why it's so hard to understand our reasoning for going against what he's saying? This seems hard for posters to understand?

We aren't saying we can't understand him, we are saying we don't believe him.

I mean, that's fair. But to me it seems like most people are just confused...not that they don't believe him (or maybe they don't also believe him, but they're not writing that).

I honestly think it's pretty clear what's being said here. So I don't know how to respond.

 

[icespide]

I kind of agree with you, but I see PS4 and Neo sharing a healthy degree of equal sales whilst on the XB1 side XB1 sales will dwindle in favour of Scorpio

that's certainly possible as well, not sure how that would effect things as it would still be dragged down by the PS4/Neo

 

[MilkyJoe]

Yes, and I, like you, am not confused about this issue.

Meanwhile, many other people are not on an internet video game forum...

its not out yet, Mavis, The masses will hear about it in time.

whether you have an Xbox One S or Project Scorpio

I honestly thought these two things were the same thing.

Good grief

 

[n0razi]

why would Sony do such a thing when PSVR runs fine on PS4?

It will obviously run at reduced quality which will deter VR adoption


I had a DK1 and Vive and tried out the PSVR demo at BB... the OG PS4 does not have the grunt to play VR games well and the biggest turn off for first timers is a half assed experience.

 

[icespide]

edit: nvm don't feel like arguing about PSVR

 

[spectator]

its not out yet, Mavis, The masses will hear about it in time.

The masses hear about it when Microsoft comments on it. When those comments contradict each other, Microsoft then needs to clarify them.

What do you not understand?

 

[MilkyJoe]

The masses hear about it when Microsoft comments on it. When those comments contradict each other, Microsoft then needs to clarify them.

What do you not understand?

Stupid people

 

[icespide]

MilkyJoe overestimates how smart people are

 

[PumpkinSpice]

"clarifies"

 

[Movalpolos]

MS and Sony just need to put out a piece saying VR will only run on Scorpio/Neo... just yank the bandaid and get rid of this confusion which reminds me of the Wii U naming debacle.

PSVR works on PS4. Where are you getting that neo bullshit from?

 

[Beerman462]

The only way this isn't clear is if your a fan boy looking to sling shit.

Scorpio VR will be a separate platform. Even here on GAF VR and more specifically PSVR are all considered seperate platforms.

 

[icespide]

The only way this isn't clear is if your a fan boy looking to sling shit..

ugh. people really think this?

 

[Gradly]

It's expected. Part of why Microsoft made Project Scorpio is to enter the race of VR gaming.

Games are games but VR is a new thing, so people can buy Xbox One or Scorpio to play the same games you don't expect someone wants to buy Xbox One for VR cuz that was never the case at all, so technically they're right in their sentiment.

 

[Crayon]

ugh. people really think this?

It became a thing two or three clarifications ago. "People" would be like five or six people in this case.

 

[pastrami]

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'console game' is."

It's so clear that Microsoft is trying to obfuscate the fact that yes, there will be Scorpio exclusive games.

 

[Hockeymac18]

"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'console game' is."

It's so clear that Microsoft is trying to obfuscate the fact that yes, there will be Scorpio exclusive games.

I think it's clear what they're saying: No non-VR Scorpio exclusives.

Whether they actually hold to that statement? Who knows. But right now, I think it's fairly straightforward what they're saying ("fairly" because he probably used more words than he needed to).

I personally predict they'll stick to it for ~2-3 years, and then will slowly start introducing Scorpio exclusives...but by that point, the next iteration will be on the horizon, likely.

In the end, it probably will be very similar to typical console generational overlap periods. Even if we got there in a different way.

Of course, we'll see how this plays out.

 

[Xbox Master The]

Guys, seriously, come on.

Aaron answered a simple question with a rambling statement that tries to define "console gaming" instead of just saying "VR games will be exclusive to the Xbox Scorpio".

Acknowledging that doesn't mean that you're dense or have a low IQ.

it does however mean you're making an ant hill of of grass.

There's no confusion, if this was a statement by anyone else likely no one would be saying anything.

Kinect games aren't Xbox games they are kinect games. Sega CD games aren't Sega genesis games, they are Sega CD games. VR games aren't PS/Xbox games they are VR games, yes, they may need you to connect the compatible device to a machine but it's a different library. Meant to be used with a different device, not the same one. This isn't hard.

 

[SOR5]

that's certainly possible as well, not sure how that would effect things as it would still be dragged down by the PS4/Neo

Probably wont effect anything that could totally happen, im in it for the games and experience on both sides not the winners

 

[icespide]

it does however mean you're making an ant hill of of grass.

There's no confusion, if this was a statement by anyone else likely no one would be saying anything.

Kinect games aren't Xbox games they are kinect games. Sega CD games aren't Sega genesis games, they are Sega CD games. VR games aren't PS/Xbox games they are VR games, yes, they may need you to connect the compatible device to a machine but it's a different library. Meant to be used with a different device, not the same one. This isn't hard.

wait. kinect games aren't xbox games?

 

[martino]

what is even more clear now is when word come out from ms representative mouth it can turn some audiences dumb(er)...

 

[Electret]

wait. kinect games aren't xbox games?

It's some semantic nonsense, isn't it? A game being a Kinect game and an Xbox game is not mutually exclusive. The Xbox receives the inputs from Kinect, processes those inputs, executes the game logic, renders the image, and passes the image to the output device. It's both a Kinect and an Xbox game.

Likewise, a PSVR game is both a VR and PS4 game. The PS4 receives the inputs from the tracking system, processes the inputs, executes the game logic, renders the image, and passes the image to the PSVR.

I fail to see how the input or output devices one connects to a console which executes the game logic somehow variably renders the game a console or not-console game.

 

[pastrami]

It's some semantic nonsense, isn't it? A game being a Kinect game and an Xbox game is not mutually exclusive. The Xbox receives the inputs from Kinect, processes those inputs, executes the game logic, renders the image, and passes the image to the output device. It's both a Kinect and an Xbox game.

Likewise, a PSVR game is both a VR and PS4 game. The PS4 receives the inputs from the tracking system, processes the inputs, executes the game logic, renders the image, and passes the image to the PSVR.

I fail to see how the input or output devices one connects to a console which executes the game logic somehow variably renders the game a console or not-console game.

Those people must have skipped school when they taught venn diagrams.

 

[Beerman462]

ugh. people really think this?

Read the quote.

Point one. All Xbox one games are forwards compatible.

Second point. No consoles exclusive games on Scorpio. He considers VR it's own platform separate from console games, because VR is about more than just games.

 

[Trup1aya]

Why were People confused in the first place?

They announced Scorpio would have VR... OG xb1 cannot... Do the math.

A Scorpio exclusive would be a game that can be played on Scorpio and nowhere else... I doubt that will ever happen... Especially since the the VR solution will likely be 3rd party... Scorpio will be PC VR ports.

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

Really wasn't an answer either.

Scorpio won't have exclusive anything but VR titles. Seems a pretty clear answer to me.

 

[icespide]

Read the quote.

Point one. All Xbox one games are forwards compatible.

Second point. No consoles exclusive games on Scorpio. He considers VR it's own platform separate from console games, because VR is about more than just games.

I'm not trying to argue that this is confusing, I'm taking issue with your claim that anyone that thinks this is confusing is a fanboy

 

[Bits N Pieces]

I'm not trying to argue that this is confusing, I'm taking issue with your claim that anyone that thinks this is confusing is a fanboy

So you're calling them idiots then ;p

 

[icespide]

So you're calling them idiots then ;p

no?

 

[Beerman462]

I'm not trying to argue that this is confusing, I'm taking issue with your claim that anyone that thinks this is confusing is a fanboy

Based off the snarky comments on the first page I would say a great deal are. Even your posts where you say "games". I'm guessing in refrence to the use of VR experiences instead games in the original quote makes it seem like your intentionally trying to paint the quote as confusing and just a PR loop hole of some kind.

My final verdict is that the quote is clear enough at face value. If you're disecting it to decipher an ulterior motive than that's when it might get "confusing".

 

[Kayant]

And we said we're not going to have console-exclusive games for Project Scorpio. It's one ecosystem -- whether you have an Xbox One S or Project Scorpio, we don't want anyone to be left behind, Now, with the power and capabilities we have, we'll be able to do high-fidelity VR. Now, that space, we don't think of that as console gaming, we think of that as high-fidelity VR, and so with the VR experiences those will be new things that you will get on Project Scorpio.

Right...

“Our commitment is to make sure every single game and every single accessory works across all of those platforms,” says Ybarra. “When we picked the silicon to go into all those devices, that’s the first question the engineering team that I’m responsible for asked themselves. Will this enable the compatibility and great games we’re promising? Can we deliver those? Everything is built from the ground up with this in mind. One game will run on the entire family of devices.

The Scorpio games are obviously designed to take advantage of six teraflops and 4K. Your Xbox One, you were playing those today. You know what those look like and feel like. But there won't be Scorpio exclusive console games. Absolutely not.

Only one person said the same thing before. Also LOL at "High-end VR" not being console gaming.

The burden of trying to push "No one's is left behind".

 

[Bits N Pieces]

no?

Sorry, I was just pulling your leg

I'm not trying to argue that this is confusing, I'm taking issue with your claim that anyone that thinks this is confusing is a fanboy

If it isn't confusing then what kind of person would get confused by it?

 

[Foxix Von]

Corporate double think is such a beautiful thing to witness.😍

 

[icespide]

Sorry, I was just pulling your leg



If it isn't confusing then what kind of person would get confused by it?

it's not confusing to me, but I can totally understand how someone could be confused by it

 

[Shin-Ra]

Also it will be up to developers if they want to make Scorpio only games, but Microsoft won't make Scorpio exclusive games.

Is this right?

There's no confusion, if this was a statement by anyone else likely no one would be saying anything.

I would hope the representative of other console platforms wouldn't be trying to paint the future as black and white while simultaneously throwing in shades of grey.

The people questioning Greenberg's integrity aren't dumb, stupid, idiots, they have their eyes open.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I agree with him. I don't count VR as gaming in the usual sense.

 

[D4Danger]

do people consider Rift/Vive games PC games?

 

[JABEE]

I assume this is a joke post, but the playing dumb with anything Scorpio related narrative, makes me question my sarcasm detector.

I was questioning this when they brought up this language. It was purposefully misleading.

No Scorpio exclusive except for VR.

This isn't the case with PSVR unless the leaks are a lie.

 

[Xbox Master The]

wait. kinect games aren't xbox games?

Not directly, if they were you'd be able to use them without kinect. So since Kinect is a requirement it's would have it's won library and would not be a direct part of the Xbox "family< same with VR, simple. VR will be the same as Kinect, it's own library, requiring another device.

it's not like a Xbox One spare controller which is needed for the base xbox games in the first place.

 

[firelogic]

Since the Neo is an incremental upgrade (according to what we know so far) you can pretty much believe Sony when they say no Neo exclusive games. But for Scorpio? MS is lying out of their asses. The Scorpio isn't just an incremental upgrade. It's a full refresh. It's a beast of a machine. Are you seriously going to tell me that they're going to let all of that hardware languish just so they can have the same game running on the XB1? Of course they're not going for parity across the two consoles graphically but there are limits to the XB1 that will be easily surpassed by the Scorpio.

I'm sure you can get The Witcher 3 to run on a PS3/360 but huge sacrifices will need to be made. At that point, are they the same game? So either the Scorpio version will be neutered or the XB1 version will be a complete downgrade versus the Scorpio version. So that's another problem they have to address even before any talk of exclusives.

 

[Kayant]

do people consider Rift/Vive games PC games?

Well what do they run on?

They are PC games as well as being VR games. They need a platform to run in the first place.

Not directly, if they were you'd be able to use them without kinect. So since Kinect is a requirement it's would have it's won library and would not be a direct part of the Xbox "family< same with VR, simple. VR will be the same as Kinect, it's own library, requiring another device.

it's not like a Xbox One spare controller which is needed for the base xbox games in the first place.

And an X360 is also a requirement. They are X360/Kinect games.

 

[LukasTaves]

Guys, seriously, come on.

Aaron answered a simple question with a rambling statement that tries to define "console gaming" instead of just saying "VR games will be exclusive to the Xbox Scorpio".

Acknowledging that doesn't mean that you're dense or have a low IQ.

But it's clear why they are not just giving that answer. Anyone can see the backslash it will happen and the misguided headlines that will appear.

And at the same time anyone that can acknowledge that they are rambling also understands why they are doing that so it's a non issue.

 

[volcarona]

I'm fine with that, I don't really see myself enjoying VR or having the money for a headset as well as whatever the Scorpio will cost

 

[D4Danger]

Well what do they run on?

They are PC games as well as being VR games. They need a platform to run in the first place.

okay so what about PSVR games? are they still considered PS4 games if you can't use them without the headset or do you refer to them as their own thing? I mean if you were launching a VR game you'd say Rift/Vive/PSVR not PC or PS4.

imo VR is its own platform. while they can certainly use that to give himself a little wiggle room on Scorpio exclusivity it does make sense.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Right...

Only one person said the same thing before. Also LOL at "High-end VR" not being console gaming.

The burden of trying to push "No one's is left behind".

Going by this post you probably have more fun playing with semantics than you do with video games