MilkyJoe
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I assume this is a joke post, but the playing dumb with anything Scorpio related narrative, makes me question my sarcasm detector.
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Microsoft clarifies whether or not there will be Scorpio exclusive Xbox games
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I assume this is a joke post, but the playing dumb with anything Scorpio related narrative, makes me question my sarcasm detector.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Maybe they see VR as a separate platform. Maybe even MS allows the Oculus and Vive storefronts on the Scorpio. If that's the case, there won't be any Scorpio exclusive "Xbox" games.
That's one reason I cancelled my PSVR pre-order. It will be held back too much by the limitations of the PS4, and I have a feeling that most initial VR games will be like Kinect - really fun at first to play but then quickly become old/collects dust because it is mostly tech demos/gimmicks/limited gameplay. I've played with my GearVR twice, not sure if I will use it much more lol.
Ok...but I'd say to the general public, you put a game inside a console and play it. That's console gaming. Doesn't matter if an accessory is required.
That's still console gaming.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
It won't be many anyways, as people will hunker down and want or just get Scorpio anyways.
That's all ms is waiting for, numbers
Will get harder to have games on both for many devs and have them truly, fully optimized. If Scorpio was really just 4k I think that would hurt it's performance a bit too much to differentiate a definite jump in visuals as well.
Wildstar75
Member
Makes sense for me.
Complicated
Banned
It was an off-the-cuff answer, and everyone in here knows exactly what he means. Maybe if this was a message board for soccer moms the responses would make sense.
Exploratory
Banned
That's just Microsoft bullshit. They're pushing VR as a separate platform which I understand but don't agree with.
Xbox Master The
Banned
How many games were those Kinect casuals buying when Kinect was popular outside of Kinect?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Why wouldn't it? I imagine it'll hit in the last year of XB1 new game support (2018).
Microsoft isn't playing the sales numbers game so how should I know.
or just skip the S entirely
What are some people having trouble understanding?
Just being dense?
VR games need more power. They may make VR games for Scorpio that wouldn't run on the Xbox One.
Regular games (that aren't VR) will work across all their hardware. There's nothing confusing to me when I read it.
Just being dense?
VR games need more power. They may make VR games for Scorpio that wouldn't run on the Xbox One.
Regular games (that aren't VR) will work across all their hardware. There's nothing confusing to me when I read it.
I think it's more that people are just saying it's a terrible convoluted way to say something that only needs a simple answer. Greenberg can't even say that VR-only games will ONLY work on Scorpio.
Hendrick's
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So as long as they don't call them "games" they can release exclusive games on Scorpio?
Not a joke, nor should it be difficult to understand. Microsoft made two statements that contradicted each other. That's why they're being asked to clarify now.
We all know what he means.
But it took him 8 sentences to present some stupid logic when he could have made it crystal clear in 1 or 2 sentences.
Didn't you get the memo? VR doesn't have games, it has "experiences".
LukasTaves
Member
That's exactly why they are not outright saying it. Even on a gaming forum where people are expected to be in the known there's confusion. Expecting the average gamer to be sensible about how VR requires more hardware than xbone can handle (without a solution made specifically for it at least) and that Ms assuming VR games won't run on xbone does not mean the console is dead would not be a good strategy.
Right now they need to sugar coat it, and then when Scorpio arrives show that except for vr which xbone can't handle there will be no software made just for scorpio.
Though part of me still thinks they will just expand that to VR games and let developers have really low quality VR on xbone just to mark that checkbox
Xbox Master The
Banned
Uh what?
The kinect on the 360 numbers are quite clear, 25 million or so sold, most of the games purchased that period being kinect. Those people vanished, very few if any of those were buying 360 games.
There's no confusion or spin VR is a separate thing. The general consumer also seems to see that.
LukasTaves
Member
Why would they do that and lost the sales boost the S is going to give them?
Scorpio confirmed to be an electrical toothbrush.
Because it doesn't give them much of a sales boost anyway when no one buys it because everybody knows there's a vastly superior replacement coming just a year later.
GameSeeker
Member
I think it's obvious Microsoft wants to drop Xbox One and S as quickly as possible and focus everything on Scorpio. They will pay lip service to the old generation for PR's sake, so the customers don't revolt.
how is that obvious? they've done nothing but speak to the idea of "no one gets left behind"
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
What's the next major Windows 10 update called?
VincentMatts
Member
Not until much further down the road, if ever. If regular xbox ones are dirt cheap at that point and are still selling, i dont see them cutting that support. It isnt that much more complicated than it is on PC now to make multiple versions of a game. At that point they should just continue and wait for xbox 4 to just "cut the ties".
Until the console can't run specific games that apparently aren't console games because reasons.
Journey
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What do you mean? it was clear to me from the get-go. Occulous Rift is more of a platform than an accessory. Originally a platform that would only work on a PC, but may now also work on Scorpio (since it's strong enough) which is very welcome.
Doomshroom
Member
Well i remeber when the Kinect came out... not a fun time to be a 360 owner.
Graphics Horse
Member
It's not confusing in the short term, but take the strategy to its logical conclusion and you end up with a growing family of devices where the weakest ones inevitably get phased out first, ala iPhone etc, and I don't see anything wrong with that, the only alternative is that support for them would end simultaneously.
I'm thinking further into the future than the average owner should care about tbh.
That's going to be Microsoft's job to really hype up 4K or 60fps to the average consumer.
Which is ironic because this gen was pretty much downplaying what difference resolution and framerate makes.
Crayon
Member
What they speak and what they do are not always the same thing.
MilkyJoe
Member
There's nothing confusing, since the Scorpio reveal there have been people that would rather appear stupid than.. well what ever the agenda is... fucked if I know it's all out there.
Regard;
VincentMatts
Member
VR is a platform, not an Xbox one accessory. If they even end up supporting it, it will be an Oculus or Hive headset, which isnt even their tech. I dunno how people can expect those games to work on an xbox one when it doesnt even work on xbox one right now.
captainraincoat
Banned
This
As a pc gamer it should be even more clear...you will have one setting for the one and one for scorpio....it will scale
Saint of Killers
Member
I guess this things success is gonna boil down to how much of an improvement current gen games will be on Scorpio and if the Scorpio premium (over the cost of XB1) makes it worthwhile. I know games will perform better, but most games aren't not going to be able to make full use of all that extra power, are they?
And you will have games like NMS that won't run on certain types of older hardware.
LukasTaves
Member
People care about immediacy, when they see a new shiny cheap xbone on the shelves they are going to buy it, and the S is a more attractive product compared to regular xbone, so the sales potential are higher.
Heck I have friends that want to get a S now for 4k and higher framerates even though they also plan to get scorpio...
Anyway, my point is: releasing the S for sure isn't going to make the sales go down, so why not enjoy the spike however small?
Louis Cyphre
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Because some want it to be. Is anyone confused that some PSVR games won't work on your PS4 unless you buy the PSVR headset and camera?
Nobody is going to be buying the current vanilla PS4 because we all know the PS4 NEO will be out in less than a year? Now that is confusing.
ok fine, not believing them is fine, I get that but to say that "it's obvious they want to drop Xbox One" is a stretch
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I feel like that should be a no brainer for everybody that frequents gaming forums. We've spent the last 3 years mocking the Xbox One for being weak but it not supporting a VR platform where the best framerate and resolution are required has people confused for some reason.
my original point in the convo you responded to had nothing to do with the S, I was merely saying I was baffled that they announced the Scorpio over a year before release then someone tried to flip it on me with a totally different issue
The premise is clear enough. They just need to whittle the wording down to two sentences: "Xbox games work on both platforms. VR games are for enthusiasts and will require the new hardware and a headset."
The more they try to clarify what was said at E3, the less clear the messaging is.
The more they try to clarify what was said at E3, the less clear the messaging is.