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[ResoRai]

It's clear what he means. I think people just have a problem with the way it was worded.
Seems fine tho imo. To me it sounds like he just tried to establish a baseline so they'd be able to differentiate to consumers what games will work since games will but VR games won't on the X1.

Hmm. But if VR was never meant to work on the X1, but will on Scorpio, is that really "leaving people behind"?

 

[Huddy]

Pr spin? Did we read the same op? Plus I've read before this exact sentiment that was said. All games will work on both consoles and it will be up to developers if they choose to upgrade the graphics to use scorpios power. Also it will be up to developers if they want to make Scorpio only games, but Microsoft won't make Scorpio exclusive games.

I never said PR spin. Read what I wrote again.

So no 1st party Scorpio exclusives is what you are saying, so basically Halo and Forza?

Honestly I don't have any interest in Xbox, so I probably shouldn't have posted, but the times I do read Micorsoft PR I just find it often seems vague and inconsistent.

 

[Falchion]

Ok so VR only which makes sense.

 

[Kayant]

okay so what about PSVR games? are they still considered PS4 games if you can't use them without the headset or do you refer to them as their own thing? I mean if you were launching a VR game you'd say Rift/Vive/PSVR not PC or PS4.

imo VR is its own platform. while they can certainly use that to give himself a little wiggle room on Scorpio exclusivity it does make sense.

Yh VR is it's a own platform but for the most part right now it's platform within another so it's not exactly a separate thing when you require two platforms to use it.

Edit -

My point is saying "No man's left behind" yet saying things like all accessories/games with work on all platforms within the Xbox ecosystem but for some reason VR is the only "special snowflake "that is not granted within that commitment.

Going by this post you probably have more fun playing with semantics than you do with video games

Sure I just browse Gaf all day and stare and my steam library waiting for the next sale to add games that I will never play.

 

[gaming_noob]

I fully expect Scorpio exclusives down the line and I will love them.

 

[RibMan]

It will obviously run at reduced quality which will deter VR adoption


I had a DK1 and Vive and tried out the PSVR demo at BB... the OG PS4 does not have the grunt to play VR games well and the biggest turn off for first timers is a half assed experience.

1) PSVR runs on the current PS4. I get what your argument is, but it's a fact that 45 million+ people can use PSVR without buying a new console.

2) I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, but the only way you could possibly know the actual difference in performance in VR between the OG PS4 and the Neo is if you have or have experienced PSVR on Neo.

3) What might be a reduced quality to you =/= a reduced quality to others. While I'm all for a developer going the extra mile and providing the best they can, an extra hair shader and a gifable water ripple effect is probably not going to mean much/anything at all to the majority of VR users. This is the reason why you shouldn't be surprised when PSVR outperforms the Rift and Vive (in sales, obviously).

Microsoft stated there wouldn't be exclusive Scorpio games. This is them saying a whole bunch of games will be exclusive to Scorpio. Since they don't benefit from revealing their consistent and continued incidents of hypocrisy, their messaging is now "VR is totally not console gaming it's something else so our original statement is still true". Now, unless the Scorpio is a non-stick frying pan and not a console, I don't think what they're saying is true.

They wouldn't have to clarify anything had they not gotten a whiff of a new PlayStation console and attempted to steal as much thunder away from it as possible. They're now going to have to spend the next 12 months (and then some) answering questions about a platform that isn't finalized. This is a great lesson in messaging: don't get ahead of yourself!

 

[Xbox Master The]

Well what do they run on?

They are PC games as well as being VR games. They need a platform to run in the first place.

And an X360 is also a requirement. They are X360/Kinect games.

You just proved my point that you need an external device to work with it's library.

 

[Lupin3]

Clear as mud as usual.

Pretty much!

 

[Kayant]

You just proved my point that you need an external device to work with it's library.

Right and these games run on what device again...

 

[ArtHands]

I don't get why people are so confused by this. It's clear and it's common sense.

Some people are pretending to be confused for that "its so confusing" narrative, because they have an agenda.

 

[cakely]

Some people are pretending to be confused for that "its so confusing" narrative, because they have an agenda.

 

[Xbox Master The]

Right and these games run on what device again...

They can't run until the VR or Kinect device is connected, it's the library of that device not the platform it's attached to, there's no argument here.

 

[Sydle]

Makes sense and it's clear.

I'm unsure how this can confuse or upset anyone.

 

[Lichter]

Makes sense and it's clear.

I'm unsure how this can confuse or upset anyone.

This, not confusing at all. For once.

 

[SOR5]

So are people pretending to be confused or are people pretending to be not confused?

 

[SystemUser]

So games will be compatible with both.

VR will be Scorpio only?

BTW VR games are not games

Microsoft's stance on VR games (content experiences):

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Don't understand the confusion.

Standard games run on Xbox One and Scorpio. Scorpio has higher resolution and textures(my assumption).

VR games are strictly Scorpio.

 

[icespide]

So are people pretending to be confused or are people pretending to be not confused?

yes

 

[ArtHands]

Now lets not pretend that isn't true, when its already pretty clear here.

 

[Kayant]

They can't run until the VR or Kinect device is connected, it's the library of that device not the platform it's attached to, there's no argument here.

Actually you're wrong.

There were many X360 games that had "Better with Kinect" features.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kinect_games_for_Xbox_360

Dead Space 3 - Better with Kinect
Need For Speed Most Wanted - Kinect Pwned

And so on.

 

[Killer Queen]

I don't get why people are so confused by this. It's clear and it's common sense.

Agreed.

 

[Chobel]

it does however mean you're making an ant hill of of grass.

There's no confusion, if this was a statement by anyone else likely no one would be saying anything.

Kinect games aren't Xbox games they are kinect games. Sega CD games aren't Sega genesis games, they are Sega CD games. VR games aren't PS/Xbox games they are VR games, yes, they may need you to connect the compatible device to a machine but it's a different library. Meant to be used with a different device, not the same one. This isn't hard.

This is the stupidest thing I read today.

 

[Xbox Master The]

Actually you're wrong.

There were many X360 games that had "Better with Kinect" features.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kinect_games_for_Xbox_360

Dead Space 3 - Better with Kinect
Need For Speed Most Wanted - Kinect Pwned

And so on.

That doesn't prove me wrong. In fact that proves me right. All that is is integration through two different platforms. The platforms are still different. They aren't "console" platforms per se, but they are clearly two different devices, with two different ways to play games, that are separate from each other.

 

[Xbox Master The]

This is the stupidest thing I read today.

Explain to me why some people considered the Sega CD as a different console then? Because it has it's own library.

I really don't know how this is confusing it baffles me how there's so many pages over something completely simple. But nothing I can do about it.

 

[Shaunboy97]

I mean Apple has an ecosystem but that doesn't stop apps from not running on older devices.

Um yeah it does... I have a 1st gen iPad that is practically useless

 

[icespide]

Um yeah it does... I have a 1st gen iPad that is practically useless

that's what he meant. I think you misread his post

 

[Shaunboy97]

that's what he meant. I think you misread his post

Maybe I did misinterpret it... my apologies

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

It's clear what he means. I think people just have a problem with the way it was worded.
Seems fine tho imo. To me it sounds like he just tried to establish a baseline so they'd be able to differentiate to consumers what games will work since games will but VR games won't on the X1.

Hmm. But if VR was never meant to work on the X1, but will on Scorpio, is that really "leaving people behind"?

Trust me lol if you where to spend a lot of money on xbox one VR only to find that the experience is terrible to put it lightly, then you would wish that you had been left behind.

I have no doubt that you could probably get something running in some form on XB1 but it would be such a sub par experience on the weak hardware that IMO it would turn a lot of people off. I'm actually glad that they are choosing to raise the bar for VR so that people have a great experience off the bat bc first impressions are everything.

Plus, the fact that PS4 would likely do VR a little better would make it really tough to sell to consumers at even a competitive price with all the concessions they would have to make to get there.

 

[cakely]

Now lets not pretend that isn't true, when its already pretty clear here.

Finding Aaron's weirdly contorted reply confusing does not indicate "an agenda".

 

[jdmonmou]

If there are going to be VR games exclusive to Scorpio, then Greenberg basically lied when he said no Scorpio exclusives at E3. I don't see how you can argue otherwise. It makes sense that the games would be exclusive, but please don't say NO SCORPIO exclusives only to have to walk back that claim a few months later. I bet that VR games won't be the only thing exclusive to Scorpio when it releases. Just wait and see. Microsoft really needs to get a new PR division. The current people are just creating confusion.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Microsoft considers VR a platform-within-a-platform, similar to Kinect. The core Xbox library will be the same across the Scorpio and One, while the "Xbox VR" library, which is considered a completely different entity, is only available on Scorpio. Seems clear enough to me.

 

[jroc74]

If there are going to be VR games exclusive to Scorpio, then Greenberg basically lied when he said no Scorpio exclusives at E3.

Pretty much.

On mobile so I can't quote like I want.. but to the guy saying Kinect games aren't Xbox games..what was Kinect compatible with? 360 then an upgraded version for XBO.

Don't really know if the old Kinect could work on XBO. Or old kinect games worked with the upgraded kinect.

What is PSVR compatible with? PS4.

What VR is compatible with XBO? None.

I gotta agree with Chobel...

 

[TheGreyHulk]

Sounds pretty simple to me.

games/accessories will work on both xbone/scorpio.

VR is scorpio only because whatever VR implementation they're planning will not support being used with xbone.

 

[TheGreyHulk]

If there are going to be VR games exclusive to Scorpio, then Greenberg basically lied when he said no Scorpio exclusives at E3. I don't see how you can argue otherwise. It makes sense that the games would be exclusive, but please don't say NO SCORPIO exclusives only to have to walk back that claim a few months later. I bet that VR games won't be the only thing exclusive to Scorpio when it releases. Just wait and see. Microsoft really needs to get a new PR division. The current people are just creating confusion.

What if it's just "Xbox VR" and that device is only compatible with Scorpio/PC, so obviously VR games only run on the VR platform and by default doesn't work on xbone....

 

[TsuWave]

won't this potentially hold back titles? i mean all that power running under the hood of scorpio possibly only being tapped to the fullest for VR because they have to be compatible for older hardware? maybe i'm misunderstanding something but that would be sad for me, i'd like to see games that get the most out of scorpio

 

[Chobel]

Sounds pretty simple to me.

games/accessories will work on both xbone/scorpio.

VR is scorpio only because whatever VR implementation they're planning will not support being used with xbone.

VR is an accessory and VR games are, you know, games.

But yeah, what he meant is well understood even though they tried to spin it for some reason.

 

[TheGreyHulk]

won't this potentially hold back titles? i mean all that power running under the hood of scorpio possibly only being tapped to the fullest for VR because they have to be compatible for older hardware? maybe i'm misunderstanding something but that would be sad for me, i'd like to see games that get the most out of scorpio

Same here. The gap between xbone and scorpio is gigantic. Having to support the xbone will definitely hold them back. I would actually prefer they let the devs/publishers handle how they want to support scorpio/xbone instead of forcing them to keep the xbone in the loop.

 

[Head.spawn]

Just an example for all of the really confused people out there:

Adr1ft will be coming to Xbox One. It will be fully playable and clearly won't be a VR title.

Once Scorpio comes out; that title could receive additional functionality to utilize VR on the newer console.

-Game is forward compatible with Scorpio
-Game is backwards compatible with Xbox One and Xbox One S.
-VR feature is Scorpio exclusive... obviously.

That's just a plausible example scenario. I don't get what is vague or confusing about it.

Are people really confused why the VR that was never used with OG Xbox One and only announced for Scorpio, is not going to be compatible with OG Xbox One?

 

[Shin-Ra]

But it's clear why they are not just giving that answer.

Because it directly contradicts their no Scorpio exclusives, no one left behind line.

This is the stupidest thing I read today.

I'm wondering whose alt Xbox Master The is.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Lol. That pr speak.

 

[tapedeck]

Scorpio is gonna have exclusive non-VR games too, saying otherwise is insanely short-sighted.

 

[Elixist]

just say there will be some games that will be, jeez not that hard and actually would make me more excited for it personally.

 

[Purest 78]

Yes only VR games won't be compatible with the Original X1. See how easy that is? Why come up with this VR isn't console games BS? If you're playing a game on Scorpio VR or not it's a console game.

 

[gamz]

Confused is the new Concerned.

 

[Sanctuary]

VR games will be exclusive to Scorpio because they don't consider it console gaming.

Well it's not. Not in the traditional sense anyway. Still a dumb way to phrase it though.

 

[cakely]

Confused is the new Concerned.

That was not at all clever. Anyone here could have come up with a better, more succinct answer to the question Aaron was asked.

 

[gamz]

That was not at all clever. Anyone here could have come up with a better, more succinct answer to the question Aaron was asked.

It wasn't supposed to be clever. It is what it is.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

My point is saying "No man's left behind" yet saying things like all accessories/games with work on all platforms within the Xbox ecosystem but for some reason VR is the only "special snowflake "that is not granted within that commitment.

There are substantial and valid reasons for that. So much so that I'm not even close to bothered by the distinction, and I'm not sure why you or anyone else would be, either.

 

[LordofPwn]

So with no exclusive games for Scorpio devs will be required to have their game work between the power of Xbox One and the power of scorpio which is how many times more powerful?

Sounds like a nightmare to get the most out of it while still working on XBO.

 

[rokkerkory]

Pretty expected me thinks