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WOW OMG: Steam is refunding No Man's Sky even if you played more then 2 hours

How much does a class action cost for something like this?

I would donate towards an official one if someone trustworthy or knowledgeable where to start it.
 

mauaus

Member
The best thing about the tweet was the fact that he always acted like just about everyone is going to have a pretty unique experience. So how would watching anything spoil the game for you really if what you are going to be doing has a high chance of being pretty different. Because it wasnt. Everything in the game is almost the same shit.

And this sinks it pretty quickly once you hit your second star system

Repetition galore...
 

Euphor!a

Banned
for an industry that shafts its customers on the reg, it's extra sad to see everyone jump on a small team of 12 devs while they continue buying up crap from much larger, eviler corporations

So it is less bad because it is 12 shitty people making the game instead of 100?
 
How much does a class action cost for something like this?

I would donate towards an official one if someone trustworthy or knowledgeable where to start it.

yes clearly throwing your money around worked so good with No Man's Sky you should try giving it to another "trustworthy" stranger.

lol
 

Unicorn

Member
$

Posted yet? Dream dead?
 

LostDonkey

Member
So I just received this reply from my manual ticket, raised in the UK quoting the 30 day digital returns section of the Consumer Rights Act 2015:

"Thank you for inquiring about a refund for No Man’s Sky. There has been some recent confusion in the community about Steam refunds for this title. Our standard refund policy continues to apply to No Man’s Sky, and playtime continues to matter when refunding the product.

We’ve reviewed your playtime and unfortunately you do not qualify for a refund.

Please review our refund policy here:
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/"

I have replied and advised the support staff that Steams policy does not supercede UK law and that they would be breaking the law by not offering me a full refund, so we will see what happens. I will take this to trading standards if they continue to flout the law like this.
 

Lagamorph

Member
C'mon man, I absolutely loathe what NMS turned out to be and I do feel like we were lied to, but let's not call all of HG (Sean included) shitty people over this.

I think people are perfectly justified in calling Sean Murray a shitty person.
He continued to knowingly lie right up to the very last second about things he knew for a fact wouldn't be in the game when it launched.
 

Euphor!a

Banned
C'mon man, I absolutely loathe what NMS turned out to be and I do feel like we were lied to, but let's not call all of HG (Sean included) shitty people over this.

lol, what else would you call it? With only 12 people it is more than likely they were all complicit in the lies, they're shitty people. That's just how it is.
 
Since my PSN agent wasn't giving me a refund, I decided to screw with him.

Please try not to take it out on the customer service reps. Pure speculation, but a very likely scenario is that this morning a mass email went out instructing reps how to handle refund requests ("deny with this language"). More exceptions were probably made this weekend, since call centers usually have reduced staff over the weekend, with less managers on staff. Now that most staff have returned, they probably set a firmer, formal response (similar to Steam messages). If they say no, just try to escalate the call, and if they refuse to send you to a manager, advise that you will likely file a Better Business Bureau (US customers) complaint about the company, and would like a manager's name to include in the complaint. That will usually get them to find a manager pretty quick.

I say this as a former customer service rep in an unrelated industry. It's a shitty job with long hours and most of the time, you're just being told what to say (aka don't kill the messenger). There's some shitty CSR's out there, but if you can, try to avoid making a bad day for someone even worse by being condescending and rude.
 

Macleoid

Member
So I just received this reply from my manual ticket, raised in the UK quoting the 30 day digital returns section of the Consumer Rights Act 2015:

"Thank you for inquiring about a refund for No Man’s Sky. There has been some recent confusion in the community about Steam refunds for this title. Our standard refund policy continues to apply to No Man’s Sky, and playtime continues to matter when refunding the product.

We’ve reviewed your playtime and unfortunately you do not qualify for a refund.

Please review our refund policy here:
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/"

I have replied and advised the support staff that Steams policy does not supercede UK law and that they would be breaking the law by not offering me a full refund, so we will see what happens. I will take this to trading standards if they continue to flout the law like this.

Not bothered so much about NMS but it's high time that companies selling software the UK were made to abide by standard consumer legislation. I hope you do complain to trading standards if they ignore your complaint. I hate when retailers act like they are able to flout statutory rights, or are doing you a favour when they honour them.
 

renzollo

Banned
In other news, Sony is still Sony regardless of what other threads have claimed in terms of their refund policy on this game.

http://i.imgur.com/WZHmKv1.png

The "previous refund" he's talking about is that I pre-ordered Fallout 4 on PS4 and then decided against it before release after I saw some performance data. I received PSN store credit, not a "refund", so it literally cost Sony nothing more than the time of the chat agent I spoke with for ten minutes. Not exactly sure how I want to escalate this, but I don't think I'm done complaining at them yet.

I followed up on this today via telephone. I was very polite and even-tempered throughout my conversations. The first individual I spoke to gave me the same answer as above, so I asked to speak to a supervisor. I explained the details of the situation to the supervisor

  • The previous "exemption" was for cancellation for a preorder of an unreleased game
  • In the previous case I only received store credit, thus it cost Sony nothing financially other than ten minutes of the internet chat employee wage
  • I only played No Man's Sky within 24 hours of its release and have not played it since other than once for two minutes to check the performance and see if the FOV/Framerate were still making me feel ill
  • I've been buying all my games digitally since 2010 and have 21 pages of purchase history across every internet-capable Sony gaming platform.
In the end, it didn't matter in the slightest because she just kept repeating the same lines that "when you signed up for the store it said no refunds so we're not obligated" and "you already received a refund for the same reason" (definitively incorrect). She did, however throw in a new reason: it was too late after the game purchase to consider giving me a refund. I explained that the reason it was almost two weeks since purchase was that I was waiting to see if the game would be patched/improved to fix my issue and that it seemed very unfair to penalize me for taking an action that was meant to avoid asking for a refund.

It was like speaking to a robotic-subhuman in a futuristic Terry-Gilliam-esque dystopia. I told her politely that my only logical recourse would be to discontinue my digital purchases immediately and thanked her for her time.
 
Getting a refund is not enough?

yes clearly throwing your money around worked so good with No Man's Sky you should try giving it to another "trustworthy" stranger.

lol

Still going? Good thing you're not obsessed, and class action really? Embarrassing

Besides the way they lied and mislead about their game and me not wanting them to profit off of that... There are lots of people who aren't able to get refunds who have legitimate problems in most peoples eyes where the game is in a nearly unplayable state or is filled with crashes and bugs and they are sick of dealing with it... Maybe if one was filed something more would be done and at the least it would let this situation be a lesson for anyone else who thinks that they want to handle situations like this.

This isn't just my sentiment, I stated earlier that the time would be now if anyone where to file one and received several responses from gaffers that they would like to see it. I don't want this crap in the industry. It's a smack in the face to all of the devs who work their butts off trying to be as honest and transparent as possible and who work within their means to make a living. It puts a shadow over the industry and people just end up looking at all devs in a negative light. Let alone the freaking mess it creates for consumers.
 

LostDonkey

Member
Not bothered so much about NMS but it's high time that companies selling software the UK were made to abide by standard consumer legislation. I hope you do complain to trading standards if they ignore your complaint. I hate when retailers act like they are able to flout statutory rights, or are doing you a favour when they honour them.

Too right. It's this bit that gets my back up as well:

"Thank you for inquiring about a refund for No Man’s Sky"

I'm not inquiring, I'm demanding a refund as I am lawfully allowed to do under UK law. Who do they think they are?
 

ROFISH

Neo Member
I'm not inquiring, I'm demanding a refund as I am lawfully allowed to do under UK law. Who do they think they are?

Random question since I'm unsure exactly how this works: Valve is not in the UK, they're in the US. Bringing up UK law means absolutely nothing because there's zero penalty that could be applied to a foreign company? I could be wrong though.
 

Venom Fox

Banned
Too right. It's this bit that gets my back up as well:

"Thank you for inquiring about a refund for No Man’s Sky"

I'm not inquiring, I'm demanding a refund as I am lawfully allowed to do under UK law. Who do they think they are?
Can companies as big as Valve and Sony just get away with breaking the law? No!

Your entitled to get it repaired or replaced within 30 day. You've given them a chance to repair it because you've waited while the updates/patches have came out and the problems haven't been sorted. Therefore your eligible for a 100% refund.

Email BBC Watchdogs as well. They'll be very interested as they deal with this all the time.

Random question since I'm unsure exactly how this works: Valve is not in the UK, they're in the US. Bringing up UK law means absolutely nothing because there's zero penalty that could be applied to a foreign company? I could be wrong though.
It doesn't matter as they sold you the product on their UK servers. Plus if you buy something in the UK the UK laws apply.
 
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Deleted member 752119

Unconfirmed Member
Random question since I'm unsure exactly how this works: Valve is not in the UK, they're in the US. Bringing up UK law means absolutely nothing because there's zero penalty that could be applied to a foreign company? I could be wrong though.

Pretty sure corporations have to work under consumer laws (and laws in general) in every country they do business.
 
I followed up on this today via telephone. I was very polite and even-tempered throughout my conversations. The first individual I spoke to gave me the same answer as above, so I asked to speak to a supervisor. I explained the details of the situation to the supervisor

  • The previous "exemption" was for cancellation for a preorder of an unreleased game
  • In the previous case I only received store credit, thus it cost Sony nothing financially other than ten minutes of the internet chat employee wage
  • I only played No Man's Sky within 24 hours of its release and have not played it since other than once for two minutes to check the performance and see if the FOV/Framerate were still making me feel ill
  • I've been buying all my games digitally since 2010 and have 21 pages of purchase history across every internet-capable Sony gaming platform.
In the end, it didn't matter in the slightest because she just kept repeating the same lines that "when you signed up for the store it said no refunds so we're not obligated" and "you already received a refund for the same reason" (definitively incorrect). She did, however throw in a new reason: it was too late after the game purchase to consider giving me a refund. I explained that the reason it was almost two weeks since purchase was that I was waiting to see if the game would be patched/improved to fix my issue and that it seemed very unfair to penalize me for taking an action that was meant to avoid asking for a refund.

It was like speaking to a robotic-subhuman in a futuristic Terry-Gilliam-esque dystopia. I told her politely that my only logical recourse would be to discontinue my digital purchases immediately and thanked her for her time.

I had a previous "refund" for my pre-order of Dishonored 2. It was a total refund..money back to my credit card.

I called 2 weeks ago to get a No Mans Sky refund and they told me they cant because of that previous one (the first line guy also tried to give me some bullshit about not giving a refund because I have 55% of the trophies).

Thanks to my man VladTheImpaler for encouraging me to try again..did that Sony chat yesterday and the money is back in my PSN wallet. Im good with that.

So try again man..just need to get the right person.
 
Not bothered so much about NMS but it's high time that companies selling software the UK were made to abide by standard consumer legislation. I hope you do complain to trading standards if they ignore your complaint. I hate when retailers act like they are able to flout statutory rights, or are doing you a favour when they honour them.

Agreed.

Can companies as big as Valve and Sony just get away with breaking the law? No!

Your entitled to get it repaired or replaced within 30 day. You've given them a chance to repair it because you've waited while the updates/patches have came out and the problems haven't been sorted. Therefore your eligible for a 100% refund.

Email BBC Watchdogs as well. They'll be very interested as they deal with this all the time.

Does anyone know if there is an equivalent for them in the states? I'd be willing to put the time in to look into it and see what I can do. However little that is. lol
 

LostDonkey

Member
Random question since I'm unsure exactly how this works: Valve is not in the UK, they're in the US. Bringing up UK law means absolutely nothing because there's zero penalty that could be applied to a foreign company? I could be wrong though.

That doesn't matter. Once the product is sold in the UK it is bound by UK trading law. Even if Valve were on the moon they would have to abide by UK law.
 

ROFISH

Neo Member
Pretty sure corporations have to work under consumer laws (and laws in general) in every country they do business.

Again, this is general confusion since this was sold over the internet: What recourse does a customer have other than an international lawsuit? It's not like British police could go to Washington State to impound Valve's property or something.
 

renzollo

Banned
I had a previous "refund" for my pre-order of Dishonored 2. It was a total refund..money back to my credit card.

I called 2 weeks ago to get a No Mans Sky refund and they told me they cant because of that previous one (the first line guy also tried to give me some bullshit about not giving a refund because I have 55% of the trophies).

Thanks to my man VladTheImpaler for encouraging me to try again..did that Sony chat yesterday and the money is back in my PSN wallet. Im good with that.

So try again man..just need to get the right person.

Man, I have no idea how you managed to accomplish that. I've now spoken to three different individuals at the intro chat/phone level and they were all completely emphatic that they were incapable of even sending a request through the system because one had already occurred.
 
Sorry late here, is the game totally broken, like unplayable, if so refunds should be issued, if not I dont think you're entitled to one.
 
Man, I have no idea how you managed to accomplish that. I've now spoken to three different individuals at the intro chat/phone level and they were all completely emphatic that they were incapable of even sending a request through the system because one had already occurred.

Keep em on the phone as long as possible and tell them your hard drive is fucked.

-EDIT-
And speak to a supervisor
 
Sorry late here, is the game totally broken, like unplayable, if so refunds should be issued, if not I dont think you're entitled to one.

Yes, yes it is broken. People are having the game non-stop crash on them. Even if didn't crash people should be able to get a refund based on the marketing being completely fraudulent.
 

Beefy

Member
Too right. It's this bit that gets my back up as well:

"Thank you for inquiring about a refund for No Man’s Sky"

I'm not inquiring, I'm demanding a refund as I am lawfully allowed to do under UK law. Who do they think they are?

I had this problem with Orange a few years back. I decided to get their net as it was cheaper and sounded better then my current one. After I had set it all up I realised my PS were not connecting to their hub through wifi. I phoned and went through about 4 different help guides with various people with nothing happening. When I asked to get removed from my contract they tried getting me to pay the charges, So i went to Ofcom and with in a week I had Orange phoning me saying they had changed their mind as a gesture of goodwill lol.
 

Venom Fox

Banned
Agreed.



Does anyone know if there is an equivalent for them in the states? I'd be willing to put the time in to look into it and see what I can do. However little that is. lol
I hope there is. Watchdog do amazing work in the UK and they've dealt with Sony a few times and got a ton of shit over turned. Whenever a company deals with watchdog they take a shit and follow orders lmao.
 

LostDonkey

Member
I am definitely going to look into all options if they refuse again. I haven't even launched the game since the 20th, since it deleted my data and started me from the beginning.

That's 10 days now of no game I paid £40 for. Ridiculous.

I could always raise a complaint with PayPal. as I paid with them, I know they will 100% get my money back but then my account would get banned, right?
 

brau

Member
I am definitely going to look into all options if they refuse again. I haven't even launched the game since the 20th, since it deleted my data and started me from the beginning.

That's 10 days now of no game I paid £40 for. Ridiculous.

I could always raise a complaint with PayPal. as I paid with them, I know they will 100% get my money back but then my account would get banned, right?

Pretty sure if you cancel a payment through your bank account/paypal steam will issue a ban on the account until the payment is settled.

I would be careful. Same with PSN orders.
 
Pretty sure if you cancel a payment through your bank account/paypal steam will issue a ban on the account until the payment is settled.

I would be careful. Same with PSN orders.

I'm pretty sure if you do a chargeback on PSN you never regain access to your account and other licenses.
 

Ketch

Member
This thread should be memorialized as a warning not to preorder games or buy day one sight unseen.

Hilarious to me is people asking GAF what they should spend their refund money on.
 

Venom Fox

Banned
for an industry that shafts its customers on the reg, it's extra sad to see everyone jump on a small team of 12 devs while they continue buying up crap from much larger, eviler corporations
Your sad for a studio that lied to its customers, even going as far as to put a thank-you note in some boxes hoping the reviews aren't shit and released a broken game?
 

Zemm

Member
I will be shocked if Hello Games is still a thing in a year, either completely disbanded or changed names (that won't help them). Weren't there rumours Sony wanted to buy them? Bullet dodged if so.
 

Fray Bentos

Neo Member
I will be shocked if Hello Games is still a thing in a year, either completely disbanded or changed names (that won't help them). Weren't there rumours Sony wanted to buy them? Bullet dodged if so.

Sean Murray should step down, try to save some credibility (if any) they have left, then HG should sort the mess out, they cant really do it with him there after all the B/S he has said.
 
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