MightyPeter
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I found this in on Twitter, pls take this with a huge grain of salt... I don't know who the guy is. reliable etc.
https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare?s=08
or is this old ?
My Playstation Plus is soooo baked in right now...
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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My Playstation Plus is soooo baked in right now...
Tarnpanzer
Member
This. I guess they won't tell us the exact clockspeeds etc. anyway.
All of that sounds very reasonable besides this. I don't think Sony will try and make explanations for a new future of iterative hardware. I think they will explain the NEO in a vacuum by stressing that its an optional upgraded unit for a different segment of the marketplace than a next generation console, and people using the current PS4 won't be left in the dust
I think they will mention specs.
As long as they stress that its an optional iterative unit that isn't their version of a PS5, it should be fine. Plus, i don't think expectations are to the point where they think the phantom of a Scorpio a year out would make them not want to focus on that for their new launch.
Thing is gpgpu is neither free nor easy to achieve in any way. But it gets off-topic.
Usually tech teams know what they do and the hardware is what it is.
Negotiator
Member
You're still confusing MIPS with flops. Xenon and especially Cell were SIMD-heavy processors.
All I'm saying is that Sony/MS have very lax criteria for 3rd party games.
Games like Skyrim (PS3) or JC3 should have been released in such a state. Nintendo would have never allowed this crap.
If either one of those legends shows up they should definitely save it for the end. Sony's last two conferences didn't have the best endings IMO. Ending with either would be amazing.
Raiden1018
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Doctoglethorpe
Member
If they want to sell a costly upgrade they have to explain in detail just how big an upgrade it is and why it's worth it.
Besides, if they don't then it'll just come from eurogamer the week it's released, so why hide it?
wapplew
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Let the games do the talking. Sony have a chance to show console gamers the jump from 1.8TF to 4.2TF for the first time, they don't need detail spec talk.
MS will have harder time to impress us with the jump from 4.2TF to 6TF.
Negotiator
Member
Games aren't free either. They cost $60 a pop last time I checked.
I've said it before: GPGPU is a decade old technology. It should be a thing by now.
You guys remind me of the "CPU multi-threaded programming makes no sense, it's so hard and hardly anyone has a quad-core CPU" mantra. Guess what, developers had to adapt to the new status quo. We don't live in 1994 anymore (where only Sega Saturn had a dual-core CPU).
I found this in on Twitter, pls take this with a huge grain of salt... I don't know who the guy is. reliable etc.
https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare?s=08
or is this old ?
Written like someone that tries to understand technical things, but doesn't really.
- "DDR5" lol
- Using 4K and 4k formatting in the same sentence
I don't think they will give us the cold hard numbers since well.. There's nothing sexy about that and a large amount of the viewers won't understand jack of what they're saying.
At most we'll get a 'This has over the 3x the graphical power of the original playstation 4, and allows developers to create visuals like A, B and C.'
What specific info did we get from the PS4 reveal even? 8GB GDDR5 Ram aaand?
And? You are also free to not spend your money on games that technically disappoint you.
It us and people are using it. Perhaps it's the tech itself that it isn't used more because the gpu stalls are not that often happening as people wish?
You remind me of the typical arm chair developer, being completely distant to what engine devs do every day but come up with their theory about how these people should work.
I love it when they write PlayStation wrong. It's PlayStation and not Playstation.
Biggest fanboys but don't even know how to write PlayStation. Hilarious.
Sound like you're the one who need help if that's how you interpreted my post about the APU being microprogramed to emulate the SPUs with the CUs.
Yup! That one slipped by me when I first glanced at it too
THE:MILKMAN
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This aimed at me or your opinion of onQ's posts? Just reading a lot of the replies to onQ's posts will show confusion and frustration. Many say he's straight up crazy with his spec.
I just asked his opinion what he thinks the actual Neo specs will be on Wednesday rather than be bogged down on theoretical possibilities that he says aren't what he expects Neo to have anyway.
Sony put out a detailed list of the specs of the unit at the Playstation Meeting 2013 reveal for the PS4.
Negotiator
Member
That's what I do. I'd rather buy a ND or DICE game.
What is that even supposed to mean?
You're wrong. I've written code and I know that it's not a easy job. But these guys are getting paid for it. Even Ubisoft is aware of GPGPU, but they don't seem to use it a lot in their games.
There's no excuse for shitty, least common denominator porting (using x86-64 code for physics). DICE has so many ports to do and they run very well on different platforms.
NotSmartEnough
Member
I'm hoping that it's going to be late September or very early October. I've never upgraded the hard drive on my launch day PS4 and I'm going to have to delete a lot of stuff to fit my day 1 PSVR purchases. Assuming things like Driveclub VR, Battlezone, Eve and RIGS are going to be 30-40gb each, that's a lot of space to find.
Easier if I can preload them onto a 1tb Neo...
It probably just is that you enjoy stirring those with even less technical knowledge than you into giving you attention (and those with more you aggravate by doing so).
But it's like you just found a stick with a sharp edge while combing down your tree, and then based on what you just learned (cutting your finger) you start explaining about Swiss army knives to the peers around you.
geordiemp
Member
Nintendo does not release specs as everyone thinks their hardware is toaster parts anyway. If Nintendo mad a powerful console they would tell us.
No specs = its crap, please dont ask.
If Sony hardware is good spec, they will tell us.
Simo
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family_guy
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From an advertising perspective, how can you really show the improvements without spec details unless they show PS4 and Neo side by side? I doubt they would want to show how much worse the PS4 version looks because they still have consumers of that product. Also the improvements are largely going to be word of mouth from the press because it's not like many people at home are going to be able to tell the differences from a stream, especially if the main difference is 4k vs 1080p. You have to see that in person.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I found this in on Twitter, pls take this with a huge grain of salt... I don't know who the guy is. reliable etc.
https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare?s=08
or is this old ?
This is so fake it's funny. "Forever Edition"? LOL
Citation? It's extremely rare that a newer generation x86 CPU omits instructions introduced in prior generations, with some rare exceptions that are typically used in kernel mode with hand-rolled assembly. For the most part the compiler's instruction selection will stick to those with pretty broad support precisely because they're generally applicable.
I think we should stop here. Have fun with games dice is involved in.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
....Why would you not show the specs? It would take a minute or two for Cerny to explain...
Sony put out a detailed list of the specs of the unit at the Playstation Meeting 2013 reveal for the PS4.
Sure, the information will be available following the event. But I don't think there will be a big slide saying '5 TERAFLOPS' in big flashing letters.
Maybe they'll take a page from Apple's book with one of these bad boys:
Because usually they just don't do that at press conferences. You don't want it to get too technical tbh. Everyone does this. Apple does it when unveiling the new iPhone. The Surface Book was unveiled with a vague 'GeForce GPU' and some information how it was faster than a macbook.
Negotiator
Member
Yeah, I think I should stop responding to your nonsense. Have fun.
Raiden1018
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R* blew everything away with just a port. That trailer was awesome
I remember freaking out
I found this in on Twitter, pls take this with a huge grain of salt... I don't know who the guy is. reliable etc.
https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare?s=08
or is this old ?
lol...
Yeah, it's someone's pitiful joke of listing a PC as a Playstation since Sony said they wanted the Neo to hold off people going back to high end gaming PCs.
Backfoggen
Banned
What will be baked-in though?
I found this in on Twitter, pls take this with a huge grain of salt... I don't know who the guy is. reliable etc.
https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare?s=08
or is this old ?
Who baked that fake cake ?
LOL.
Negotiator
Member
Zen ditched some x86 extensions, IIRC.
If PS4 games use those opcodes (some devs use hand-crafted assembly in certain code sections), then they won't run on a Zen CPU. Let's hope that Sony restricts their usage in the PS4 SDK guidelines.
Re reading that document makes it sound like Neo is releasing in early October.
Yes, you knew it, which is why you said you "don't know" if the guy is reliable.
It's like Jeff Rigby decided to create an alt with the express purpose of making the original seem reasonable by comparison, isn't it? Speculation is fun and it's something anyone can reasonably take part in. Presenting yourself as some kind of technical genius when you're just parroting technobabble phrases is going to end badly when you're dealing with people who actually have some depth in the field.
OdysseusVA
Banned
My uncle named burdy said you could stack the neo on top of the ps4. Similar to Sega's 32x
It gets interesting when both talk to each other.
Raiden1018
Banned
Damn
the "leakers" are on a roll today, huh?
x'D
the "leakers" are on a roll today, huh?
x'D
disco potato
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The leaked document says games launched October and on "SHOULD" include NEO mode. Doesn't sound like NEO mode is mandatory.
There isn't even a cartridge slot, so fake.
Kwansu Dudes
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