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Why Pinball Is Better Than Video Games

HotHamBoy

Member
True-TRUE HD Resolution
Well over 120 fps with NO FRAME DROPS
Realistic, dynamic lighting
Unparalleled advanced physics engine
Best Anti-Aliasing solution
Perfect camera control, excellent FOV
Almost entirely skill based gameplay
Flawless stereoscopic 3D
Harder than Dark Souls

In all seriousness, I rediscovered pinball a little over two years ago and what an incredible thing it is. In a time when everything is digital, ephemeral, virtual and simulated it is fantastic to have a giant, monolithic carnival-in-a-box existing in a physical space and providing frenetic, kinetc action you can feel.

As I've improved I have gotten much more invested. I have a lot of video games and consoles yet I play more pinball than anything else. It's one of the most satisfying games I've ever played. When you start having consistently good shots and combos, longer balls and higher scores... damn, it feels good, man. That "CLACK!" as the knocker indicates that you just earned a free game is almost as satisfying as putting your initials on the board.

And unlike videogames, you really can't predict how things are gonna go every time. You have to have split-second reactions, good judgement and impeccable hand-eye coordination.

The death of pinball is far more depressing to me than the death of arcades in general - and believe me, the loss of the arcade hurts my soul. Things are clinging on, especially with the surge in bar arcades, but pinball faces a unique problem:

Limited production. These games, once a proud icon of Americana, are literally decaying. Unlike video games, you can't just back them up and make copies. You can't just build a new cabinet for a jamma board or make a MAME cab. Parts are getting harder to find. These games are gone when they are gone. Many number in the lower thousands, some in the hundreds. Finding certain pins in the wild is like find gold.

I really hope we keep this tradition alive. All the major manufacturers are dead, with the exception of Stern. They still make a few new games a year. Recently, some indie upstarts have started producing tables and boy are they cool. Hopefully they survive, too.

If you do go to arcades/barcades, give pinball your attention. I garauntee it is a far more rewarding solo experience than the solo video games they have. Find local pinball, support this dying art form. Git gud, play in tournaments. It's hard, there's a steep learning curve, but once it clicks you will be hooked.

http://www.pinballmap.com/

Use this site to locate places with pinball tables or track down specific games in your area. If you know of one that isn't on there then please add it!


Summer 2017 Update:

Pinball is making a big comeback! Lots of new tables from new companies! If my city is any indication, new games are being out on location all over the place!

Coming soon:

Star Wars (original trilogy) - Stern

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Houdini - American Pinball

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The Jetsons - The Pinball Company

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Total Nuclear Annhilation

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(Backlgass Art for finished game)

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(WIP whiteboard, game is set to ship next year)

Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle - Spooky Pinball

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And Elvira 3 with the original design team and Elvira herself!

Shipping Now:

Ghostbusters - Stern #RIPDMD

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Batman '66 - Stern

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Aerosmith - Stern

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Alien - Heighway

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Dialed In - Jersey Jack

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The Big Lebowski - Dutch Pinball

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Attack From Mars REMAKE - Chicago Gaming

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Some (slightly) older tables still in production include: Metallica, The Hobbit, The Wizard of Oz, Game of Thrones, Woah Nellie!, Spider-Man Vault Ed, Iron Man Vault Ed, Star Trek, The Walking Dead and more!
 

georly

Member
True-TRUE HD Resolution
Well over 120 fps with NO FRAME DROPS
Realistic, dynamic lighting
Unparalleled advanced physics engine
Best Anti-Aliasing solution
Perfect camera control, excellent FOV
Almost entirely skill based gameplay
Flawless stereoscopic 3D
Harder than Dark Souls

Should I try this when I try to convince my kids to go play outside?
 
Anyone remember seeing a golden mario themed pinball machine in arcades during the mid 90s? I think it wasn't quite full sized, but it was built like a full sized pinball machine. I have awesome memories with this thing but have no idea how to find it again.
 

HotHamBoy

Member
Anyone remember seeing a golden mario themed pinball machine in arcades during the mid 90s? I think it wasn't quite full sized, but it was built like a full sized pinball machine. I have awesome memories with this thing but have no idea how to find it again.

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It's the shitty "Home Edition" of this:

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GuyKazama

Member
Pinball is a great combination of a lot of things all in one package.

Toys + Board Games + Video Games + Ball Physics = Pinball

Toys > 0 = true
Board Games > 0 = true
Ball Physics > 0 = true

Pinball > Video Games = true

Yep, the math checks out.
 

daveo42

Banned
Pinball is flippin' awesome, though I really suck at it. I'm just glad a few places around here still have a good selection of tables. Good barcades tend to have a variety available on free play and I will go out of my way to frequent them more.
 

HotHamBoy

Member
Don't we have digital pinball tables, those are kinda cool.

It's not the same, sadly. There is a massive difference between computer physics and real-world physics. The physical machines with their flashing lights and ringing bells are also part of the experience.

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Admittedly not as good as the real Street Fighter II, but at least Gottlieb kept the SFII tradition of terrible off-model artwork.
 

-Ryn

Banned
I used to play pinball on Windows a lot when I was a kid. We didn't have any arcades nearby so I had to settle with that. God damn though, actually playing on a pinball machine is a great time.

Found one at a bar the other night and played a round with a friend. So much fun.
 
Pinball tables really do hit all the pleasure centres of the brain. Light, sound, tacticle response, a learning curve and just a generally solid piece of kit. I've always liked pinball machines more than arcade games.
 

Shig

Strap on your hooker ...
I haven't gotten the chance to play any of the newer Sterns. I was super turned off by their early 2000s output, have they gotten way better?
 

NoKisum

Member
All this thread does is make me miss Pokémon Pinball. Would've made a perfect 3DS eShop game. Or a replacement to the slot machines in the main games.
 

Ferrio

Banned
I love pinball, but man I suck so hardcore. I'm really bad at shifting the machine, lots of lost balls that could of been saved.

I got to visit the PinBall Museum in Vegas this summer. Finally got to play the physical version of Bride of Pinbot which I had been wanting to do for quite some time. Must of put like $20 bucks in that machine alone.

Such a crazy machine.
 
Pinball is great! Played a lot during university years, there used to be a good selection of cheap tables around. They require lots and lots of maintenance though, the things broke down every other week, or some feature stopped working.

I have some great memories of playing with friends for high score and checking the machine every day to see who's on the list.

Played quite a bit of demolition man and white water, and some monster bash and theatre of magic, good times!

Also OP you're right, the feel of a real pinball machine with its raw sounds and physical feelings is really not reproducible with a video game. There's something very tactile about those machines that just feels good. Something about new tables can feel a bit cheap to me though, I've never been a fan of photorealistic art on the machines.
 

Servbot24

Banned
True-TRUE HD Resolution
Well over 120 fps with NO FRAME DROPS
Realistic, dynamic lighting
Unparalleled advanced physics engine
Best Anti-Aliasing solution
Perfect camera control, excellent FOV
Almost entirely skill based gameplay
Flawless stereoscopic 3D
Harder than Dark Souls

I know this is in jest, but the fact that these things are top priority for some gamers is heartbreaking. :(
 

bjork

Member
hell yeah, Revenge of the Gator

My favorite table is an old one either called Fireball or Fireballer, I think? It had a metal plate in the middle of the field that would spin, causing the ball to shoot random directions when it passed over. Pretty cool.
 

HotHamBoy

Member
I haven't gotten the chance to play any of the newer Sterns. I was super turned off by their early 2000s output, have they gotten way better?

Yes. Absolutely. I can't say I'm a big fan of TWD or the WWE table, but I'm impressed with KISS and GOT. Ghostbusters might be their best table yet, it's certainly of the coolest. Metallica and AC/DC are modern classics. The new "Vault Edition" of Spider-Man is excellent, a completely reskinned/re-voiced version of the one based on the Toby McGuire trilogy. Now with original dialogue and comic book art.

As far as the older ones go, Ripley's Believe It Or Not and Monopoly are pretty great. I like Iron Man, too.

Something about new tables can feel a bit cheap to me though, I've never been a fan of photorealistic art on the machines.

Agreed, that's mainly a Stern thing. A lot of their games look visually cheap and unappealing. They've gotten better about using hand-drawn art recently. KISS looks pretty cool and Ghostbusters looks amazing. The new version of Spider-Man is a massive improvement over the original with the photoshopped movie stills.

Game of Thrones, though...

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WHY.
 

-KRS-

Member
Yeah I'm lucky enough to know a guy who has a few pins set up together with arcade machines in a sort of warehouse he uses as a hangout place for friends. He used to have a retro game-themed bar with these things but sadly it didn't work out.

Anyway yeah, pinball is awesome. My favorite of the ones I've played IRL is White Water. It might not have as many different modes and things happening as something like Medieval Madness, but it requires some real precision shots and good timing, and once you get good at it it's just one hell of a game. My record is around 1.2 billion.

There's a championship coming up in Sweden that I'm going to participate in. I won't have a chance of winning haha, but it'll be fun to be able to play a huge variety of machines.
 
The best thing about the barcade fad is that they usually have some pinball games, and in my experience they're the most crowded machines.

But no one around here that I've seen has my favorite pinball, Black Knight 2000. Or my 2nd favorite, Earthshaker (a gallows-humor pinball game based on the Big One hitting California).

There's something attractively tactile and evocative about the lights and sounds and a physical object moving around at high speed that can't be replaced by digital graphics.
 

HotHamBoy

Member
Yeah I'm lucky enough to know a guy who has a few pins set up together with arcade machines in a sort of warehouse he uses as a hangout place for friends. He used to have a retro game-themed bar with these things but sadly it didn't work out.

Anyway yeah, pinball is awesome. My favorite of the ones I've played IRL is White Water. It might not have as many different modes and things happening as something like Medieval Madness, but it requires some real precision shots and good timing, and once you get good at it it's just one hell of a game. My record is around 1.2 billion.

There's a championship coming up in Sweden that I'm going to participate in. I won't have a chance of winning haha, but it'll be fun to be able to play a huge variety of machines.

White Water is in my top 5. I don't think a bunch of modes and complexity makes a pin better. Medieval Madness is like a more complicated and messy verion of Attack From Mars, which might be the greatest pin ever made.

Personally, I like the older EM and Solid State games as much as the DMD tables. Takes a lot of skill to clear those targets.


The best thing about the barcade fad is that they usually have some pinball games, and in my experience they're the most crowded machines.

But no one around here that I've seen has my favorite pinball, Black Knight 2000. Or my 2nd favorite, Earthshaker (a gallows-humor pinball game based on the Big One hitting California).

There's something attractively tactile and evocative about the lights and sounds and a physical object moving around at high speed that can't be replaced by digital graphics.

Agreed!

Bk2000 and Earthshaker are classics. Steve Ritchie and Pat Lawlor are geniuses. They have most of the best tables between them.

I love pinball, but man I suck so hardcore. I'm really bad at shifting the machine, lots of lost balls that could of been saved.

I got to visit the PinBall Museum in Vegas this summer. Finally got to play the physical version of Bride of Pinbot which I had been wanting to do for quite some time. Must of put like $20 bucks in that machine alone.

Such a crazy machine.

Her robo-boobs have red flashing lights and her face looks like a blow-up doll's. You put balls in her mouth and the whole time she's moaning and shit. Fucking outrageous.
 

ghibli99

Member
Most places don't maintain them well, so it's a pretty bad experience overall these days, but I do love 'em when they're in proper order.

The digital PvZ table was a lot of fun!
 

-KRS-

Member
The best thing about the barcade fad is that they usually have some pinball games, and in my experience they're the most crowded machines.

But no one around here that I've seen has my favorite pinball, Black Knight 2000. Or my 2nd favorite, Earthshaker (a gallows-humor pinball game based on the Big One hitting California).

There's something attractively tactile and evocative about the lights and sounds and a physical object moving around at high speed that can't be replaced by digital graphics.

Black Knight 2000 is great yeah. My friend has one. It needs to be fixed though because the bumpers, magna save and kick-back doesn't work, which makes it a bit too hard to play. Especially the lack of kick-back pretty much means the game is guaranteed to end when the ball comes flying towards the left side. Still a blast though. And the music gives me chills.
 
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