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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em’ Scum!

Darryl

Banned
I was thinking of other people's post. I figured it was obvious from your post talking about not focusing of the fluff posted by other people, but I didn't catch that you were thinking I attacked you for being fluffy.

I wouldn't call your post fluffy, you're at the very least talking about something game related. I just feel like you were blowing your post up to make a weak point look stronger.


Why should I defend against an argument I don't understand?

IMO scum on scum interactions are the strongest tools in this game so obviously I want my biggest scum reads to interact.


Agenda is that I'm scum. Agenda-y because of how often and how are you're pushing that point. The word obvious by itself isn't scummy, but the way it's used is. It's as if you're more interested in amplifying a view than finding the truth.

I don't think the fact that you're making it up as you go along indicative that you're scum. I was just pointing stuff out. It's obvious that you don't really know what you're arguing about. I think that the sheer recklessness and disregard in your posts makes me think you're leaning town.
 

Sophia

Member
1. Who said anything about voting for someone due to post counts? Please give a post for this claim.

2. Please explain yourself in detail on LP and his assessments. I see nothing of value and Sophia hasn't tried to explain her trust in LP either, instead resorting to hollow phrases like "He came out with a fairly decent observation". About as brilliant as when people in PiR thought they had caught a slip up by WAMD.

Since when did I say I trusted him? I merely pointed out it shows an eagerness to contribute. Even admitted that it was small.
 

Ty4on

Member
Look, it takes a coaster to know a coaster. I'm not denying that.

But it's Day 1. Either you sit back and wait for something to happen (as CM pointed out), or you make something happen yourself. You might even say I got you into the game by quoting all your posts.



I presented two opening posts that differed in style. Do they both look like "empty readings" to you?

What do you think of Topo's posts after you voted for him?
 

Ty4on

Member
I don't think the fact that you're making it up as you go along indicative that you're scum. I was just pointing stuff out. It's obvious that you don't really know what you're arguing about. I think that the sheer recklessness and disregard in your posts makes me think you're leaning town.

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Anyhow, thoughts on other players? I need help finding the emergency exits in this tunnel.
 

Verelios

Member
I'm back and ready to get lynching. Topic of the day seems centered around Darryl, Ty4on and Sophia. Have to go back and look through the pages for thoughts.
 

SalvaPot

Member
Oh god splinter is here. This game is stacked AF. I didn't sign for this. Time to give up and move on.

I'll have a sexy readlist tonight, for your reading pleasure. Spoler alert: I am voting for Blarg.
 

Sophia

Member
I'll be honest, I ain't reading shit right now since day 1 is usually meaningless to me. I'll be playing close attention instead to people who don't vote or state why they are not voting.

Also, I agree with the No Lynch on day 1. We can both No Lynch, right?

I am veeery curious about how the Pokemon Trainer works. Is this going to become a type of faction, or is that how we get powers this time? It could also be interesting if we could get some type of pokemon battles.

Oh god splinter is here. This game is stacked AF. I didn't sign for this. Time to give up and move on.

I'll have a sexy readlist tonight, for your reading pleasure. Spoler alert: I am voting for Blarg.

Interesting how you said earlier you weren't reading because Day 1 is usually meaningless to you, yet now you've got a readlist of people. Which implies you HAVE been reading...?

Also normally I'd find voting for Blarg to be the easy way out, but Blarg seems like he's coasting more than usual.
 

roytheone

Member
1. Who said anything about voting for someone due to post counts? Please give a post for this claim.

2. Please explain yourself in detail on LP and his assessments. I see nothing of value and Sophia hasn't tried to explain her trust in LP either, instead resorting to hollow phrases like "He came out with a fairly decent observation". About as brilliant as when people in PiR thought they had caught a slip up by WAMD.



What are you talking about? A coasting comment barely into the first day is bullshit, even moreso when you are barely posting. It's embarassing that people even jump to defend it or even more to bring it up as an actual positive.

1)
I have more posts than you, kiddo.

Seriously though, accusing a player of coasting when you have less posts and we are barely into the first day is nonsensical bullshit.

VOTE: Lone_Prodigy

You only explain that you thought LP his read post read like scum trying to look active later.

2) You say his posts has nothing of value, but it has a vote for ferret in it with reasoning. I don't think many people have given their opinions on ferret yet, so LP explaining his suspicion of Ferret is valuable to me. That doesn't mean I necessarily agree with LP his assessment, I personally don't think Ferret his triangle remark was some kind of scum play to get us to focus on those three, but it is an interesting observation, especially when most conversation up until this point did seem to be about the ty4on-darryl and sophia-ty4on conversations.

3) This point I will agree with you. People have lives and you can't expect them to immediately start contributing within 24 hours. Some people will choose to only post fluff when they have little time until they can make time to really read the thread, and thats fine.
 

Fireblend

Banned
Hey guys sorry for my semi-absence today, I'm mostly keeping up with the thread but I'm taking some days off from work after today and I have to leave everything ready at the office. Also I'll be away from home til monday but that shouldn't impact my activity levels, plus I think most of that time will be in-game nighttime so yeah.
 

Darryl

Banned
Darrly pls

There's no real reason why I chose Ty4on other than the fact that he stuck out to me as someone that looked like scum trying to find posts to make. Someone like Sophia was already making a lot of posts so wanting to comment on the flavor of the minute isn't a stand out behavior.

There's someone like Sawneeks but that one is probably for meta reasons in that I tend to call Sawneeks out a lot in the start of every game we've been in and I don't wanna run the same loop every game. It's not that I didn't notice Sawneeks did it, I just didn't wanna talk about it.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
still catching up but i need to answer the important question first.

Honestly not sure what to think of this game so far.

We need to get some legitimate reads going so I would like everyone to post a picture of their favourite pokemon.

god

damn

Tyrantrum

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runner-ups go to Articuno and Typhlosion.
 

SalvaPot

Member
Interesting how you said earlier you weren't reading because Day 1 is usually meaningless to you, yet now you've got a readlist of people. Which implies you HAVE been reading...?

Also normally I'd find voting for Blarg to be the easy way out, but Blarg seems like he's coasting more than usual.

I am not reading. I am posting a SEXY readlist regardless.
 
I'm on Page 2 at the moment. Will get to Page 3 later.



Why draw attention to three players? Their levels of interaction are minimal at best.



It had its desired effect though, as Sawneeks immediately latches on.



And here is a non-committal backpedal. "Yeah maybe there's nothing there but here I am singling out some players so hopefully others run off with this and absolve me of any responsibility in drawing attention to them."

No, you're not getting away that easily.

VOTE: Unmasked Ferret

Oh no, my plan, you've figured it out.

Just because I think something is nothing doesn't actually mean it's not something. So sometimes getting a second opinion on small things is nice. Besides there wasn't much else going on at the time.

Besides while the interactions between the three if them may be "minimal at best" there were interactions, Ty voted for Sophia, Darryl voted for Ty, and Ty made his point about the Sophia-Darryl combo. So I felt like it was a fair question to ask.
 

Sophia

Member
Alright, real talk. Is it just me or is there a whole lot of absurdity, fluff, and silliness even for Day 1?

Some of you are playing like dog crap.

Blargonaut's being more useless than usual.

We have SalvaPot, who has somehow convinced himself that Day 1 is meaningless, but he's not reading. But he's reading enough to put out a reads list. He's also doing a whole lot of fuck all as far as I can tell.

I'll be honest, I ain't reading shit right now since day 1 is usually meaningless to me. I'll be playing close attention instead to people who don't vote or state why they are not voting.

Also, I agree with the No Lynch on day 1. We can both No Lynch, right?

I am veeery curious about how the Pokemon Trainer works. Is this going to become a type of faction, or is that how we get powers this time? It could also be interesting if we could get some type of pokemon battles.

Oh god splinter is here. This game is stacked AF. I didn't sign for this. Time to give up and move on.

I'll have a sexy readlist tonight, for your reading pleasure. Spoler alert: I am voting for Blarg.

We have Nin who can't comprehend the advantages and disadvantages of a Day 1 lynch vs no lynch, and basically wants to no lynch to satisfy his preference for a night start.

I often prefer mafia games that start in the night phase so yes, i prefer going from a no lynch into D2.

Joining Nin we have CM and Bronx man on the "OMG YOU SUSPECT ME WHY DON'T YOU VOTE FOR ME OR I GUESS I'M SCUM" shtick

If you think I'm mafia you're going to be sorely disappointed but then again maybe you already know I'm town. Why don't you put down a vote for me? Looks like this game is moving along rather quickly, don't really have much time right now to go through every post. Just waiting for that unnecessary gambit to come along any time now.
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that was fast. Get Sophia a medal for finding scum on D1
Shit dude, you got me

I'm Team Rocket af

Looks like y'all gonna have to lynch my ass now

Speaking of Bronx-Man, this is his only contribution so far beyond the above post.

Which one of you fucks is Lucario

Lucario sucks and only furries like him

Can we hear some more form you, mister Bronx-Man?

We have El Topo, who on top of reading comprehension issues, also seems to think we're apparently doing a whole lot of nothing. Reads and opinions are a good way to catch people in contradictions later down the line, very useful. Yes, some read lists are fluff, some will give too much information to the scum team, but that doesn't mean they don't have value to town. Likewise, establishing relatonships is valuable to the game as town. You need to know who you can trust; therefore you need to ask questions and stuff.

I see nothing of value. I do however see aggressive nonsensical bullshit that you jump to defend.
No. It's nothing. It's the kind of stuff you post on Day 1 to seem engaged in the discussion. Same as those stupid reading lists people like to post.
No offense, but this for example



is nothing in my book.

Also, if you're gonna do a questionnaire, do it and get it over with.

I don't see how the fundamental idea of a questionnaire is problematic, at least if everyone participates and provides sufficiently detailed answers. It sets a guideline on the behavior of the player and gives them a pre-emptive way to explain themselves, should someone (i.e. scum) later try to turn their posts against them. As I wrote back in the DP game, the one I posted wasn't really meant to be used, but was conceived late in the night.

The Rorschach test, as I explained in PiR, was just part of a gambit that didn't work.

Personally, I'd rather see an actual attempt at scum hunting




I wish I could vote multiple people at once, but alas I'm limited to one person. At any rate, step up your game people. Or sub out. I want to play Mafia, and I fucking hate people who treat Day 1 like it doesn't matter.
 

Sophia

Member
Also, prod vote on Bronx-Man, because I'd like to hear more from him and the only two posts by him are not confidence inspiring.

Vote: Bronx-Man

Hey guys sorry for my semi-absence today, I'm mostly keeping up with the thread but I'm taking some days off from work after today and I have to leave everything ready at the office. Also I'll be away from home til monday but that shouldn't impact my activity levels, plus I think most of that time will be in-game nighttime so yeah.

Thank you for at least saying this. Although I think it's unnecessary for you because you've provided a little bit here and there if I recall right.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
So between going from this tab to work and back again I somehow lost most of my quotes.

the hell, gaf.

so i'm breaking this up into pieces. sorry!

Yeah that happens. Judging from my previous games I'll be a solid Null-Read for the first few phases...

At least there is something happening other than forced questionnaires in the first 24h so that's a good sign, I guess?

Gotcha. So when people do end up null-reading you it's not because your scum, right? Thanks for the heads up, Mr. Rocket.

This day seems like a pretty typical day 1. Lots of fluff and jokes and people monkeying around, Darryl pressuring people, Blarg being Blarg and not very useful. There were some points of interest, mainly the standard lynch/no-lynch discussion and the Darryl-sophia-ty4on interactions. I can see Darryl's argument how defending day 1 lynch could be an easy way for scum to appear active and pro town (since no-lynch is often seen as anti-town). On the other hand, we don't have much to discuss yet so I wouldn't fault Ty4on for giving his opinion about it. His reaction to Darryl his post was a bit defensive though. I also thought him calling out Sophia's vote on Nin (which came over to me as not a very serious one and more meant to create some activity) which kickstarted the sophia-ty4on interactions was not particularly strong.

Roy, my friend, buddy, pal.

This feels safe as hell.

Lot's of comments about what happened and some light opinion here and there but nothing concrete. Afraid to put your foot down? I see that, later, you went in on the whole Topo and LP thing and finally started discussing but I want your opinions. Who stands out to you? What do you think of the Fluff Squad who keep making drivebys? Why is Litten superior to Rowlet in every way?

I first linked Darryl to Sophia because I struggled to see why a townie would post that, but this post fueled my tunnel.

Just looking for clarification. Is the 'That Post' you are referring to the one where Darryl placed his vote on you and called you out?

Vote: roytheone

I was going to say it to Blarg but it was late and I was tired, so I'll start here.

Explain your votes, people.

You can place down a vote on someone you think is scummy but unless you explain why your vote is there we have NO idea what you are trying to accomplish. Scum easily hide behind no explanation votes and come in later to give their reasons instead of having it be in the moment, which can be used against them later.

So yeah, could you explain your vote please, Gorlak?

It's just that it died down quickly and seemed to be mostly going through the motions. I get that it was the start of the game, but I wanted to make a point that it seemed like a less significant convo than Darryl and Ty's.

So you think it's a Scum 'safe conversation' or two friends testing the waters kind of 'safe'?

Sorry peeps. This work emergency looks like it's going to stick around for a week plus. Good luck everyone!

:c

No worries. Hope work slows down for you, Kawl.
 

Sophia

Member
Roy, my friend, buddy, pal.

This feels safe as hell.

Lot's of comments about what happened and some light opinion here and there but nothing concrete. Afraid to put your foot down? I see that, later, you went in on the whole Topo and LP thing and finally started discussing but I want your opinions. Who stands out to you? What do you think of the Fluff Squad who keep making drivebys? Why is Litten superior to Rowlet in every way?

It feels safe as hell because it is safe as hell. Roy's had a lot of fluff posts too, but I didn't single him out in my post because he's had a few posts here where he's been asking questions and stuff.
 

Ty4on

Member
[...]I can see Darryl's argument how defending day 1 lynch could be an easy way for scum to appear active and pro town (since no-lynch is often seen as anti-town). On the other hand, we don't have much to discuss yet so I wouldn't fault Ty4on for giving his opinion about it. [...]
I don't have much of a read on Roy (town Roy is also quite safe IIRC), but this reads a bit as trying to have all the opinions.
 

nin1000

Banned
We have Nin who can't comprehend the advantages and disadvantages of a Day 1 lynch vs no lynch

I did comprehend them, but it has become now tiresome to say once again that it is a personal preference. I prefer that there be a no lynch on Day1 full stop.
..and basically wants to no lynch to satisfy his preference for a night start.

yep, i would prefer that a game would start on Night glad you understood that.
But you also have to quote me saying that if it comes down to it i will make use of my vote on D1.

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Stay classy ;)
 

Ty4on

Member
I don't have much of a read on Roy (town Roy is also quite safe IIRC), but this reads a bit as trying to have all the opinions.
The following lines have some meat though >.>

His reaction to Darryl his post was a bit defensive though. I also thought him calling out Sophia's vote on Nin (which came over to me as not a very serious one and more meant to create some activity) which kickstarted the sophia-ty4on interactions was not particularly strong. [...]
 
Had the worst day ever at work. I'm ready to play and be productive. Especially now that Splinter is here. Did I jinx it?

Following post with more thought is forecoming (on mobile)
 

Sophia

Member
But you also have to quote me saying that if it comes down to it i will make use of my vote on D1.

So do you have anything to say about the rest of the game perhaps? Reads? Observations? Gonna put down that vote? Gonna scum hunt?

You haven't really done a whole lot of anything except state your preference for a no lynch while providing yourself an out in "well if I have to I'll vote for someone!"
 
Finally, we have on one side Gorlak, with a short but substantial post (this is good), and Royal_Flush hammering the multi-quote button and just replying with short insignificant sentences (this is not good).
But hitting the multi-quote button just feels so good... Serious question though: Would you guys prefer if I split my posts into smaller chunks? (I'm doing this as an extra post already for better "quotability". More relevant post in a few minutes.)
 

Sophia

Member
But hitting the multi-quote button just feels so good... Serious question though: Would you guys prefer if I split my posts into smaller chunks? (I'm doing this as an extra post already for better "quotability". More relevant post in a few minutes.)

I don't really have any preference myself, but it might be easier to group relevant things together?
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Related, but I noticed Sawneeks still has her vote on Verelios after he responded to her. You still not feeling confident about him, Saw?

It's a combination of things, really.

Mostly it's because I don't feel the need to move it quite yet. I agree with Splinter that his odd Day 1 vote suggestion is not necessarily alignment indicative, but I have seen Scum come in on Day 1 before and propose odd things ( with inconclusive explanations behind it ) before just to start and join in a discussion to seem active.

Currently I'm waiting to see how he acts as the Day goes on since, so far, it's mostly just been the Vote suggestion from him. Once that happens I will go from there.

UNVOTE: StanleyPalmtree

I love Exeggutor

Just because you unvote doesn't mean I won't stop asking you to explain why you voted in the first place.

So please, enlighten me, Blarg. Why did you vote for Stan? Do you think he is Scum?

Didn't mean it was better, I was just giving another method to think about. Again, day 1 always felt like chance to me, so whether town gets hit or scum does is up in the air.

I'm back and ready to get lynching. Topic of the day seems centered around Darryl, Ty4on and Sophia. Have to go back and look through the pages for thoughts.

Responding to these together even though they are out of order. You gave the method as an alternative to the Day 1 vote yet you don't think it was better? Then why bring it up at all?? I feel like we will be going in circles on this but your reasoning for bringing this up ( plus the logic behind it ) aren't adding up to me. Considering this is also the only thing you have really discussed so far it's not helping my general opinion of you.

But to get a break from that, I do want to hear your thoughts. Goings on of the Day, players, Fluff posters, etc. etc.

The usual stuff.

There's no real reason why I chose Ty4on other than the fact that he stuck out to me as someone that looked like scum trying to find posts to make. Someone like Sophia was already making a lot of posts so wanting to comment on the flavor of the minute isn't a stand out behavior.

There's someone like Sawneeks but that one is probably for meta reasons in that I tend to call Sawneeks out a lot in the start of every game we've been in and I don't wanna run the same loop every game. It's not that I didn't notice Sawneeks did it, I just didn't wanna talk about it.

While I appreciate not having to do the same song-and-dance again, if you see something that sticks out to you why you wouldn't call that out? :/
 

Ty4on

Member
So do you have anything to say about the rest of the game perhaps? Reads? Observations? Gonna put down that vote? Gonna scum hunt?

You haven't really done a whole lot of anything except state your preference for a no lynch while providing yourself an out in "well if I have to I'll vote for someone!"
Why are you focusing so much on Nin?
 

*Splinter

Member
Alright, real talk. Is it just me or is there a whole lot of absurdity, fluff, and silliness even for Day 1?

Some of you are playing like dog crap.
Mmmmno?

No more than usual I mean, and progressing at a reasonable rate.

Why would you like us to believe that today is being wasted?


And btw I think you are wasting your time if you take Salva's posts at face value.
 

nin1000

Banned
So do you have anything to say about the rest of the game perhaps?

Yes, i will.


you being abnormaly strenuous
Gonna put down that vote?

Maybe

You haven't really done a whole lot of anything except state your preference for a no lynch while providing yourself an out in "well if I have to I'll vote for someone!"

Well, i still have time in order to do "stuff" on the other hand the only thing you did was cling onto things. I mean i would support that way of playing if you would call out everyone . Since we have time left i have hope that you will understand what i am tiping and do that.

Have a nice day :)
 

Ty4on

Member
I'm going to bed pretty soon Sawneeks if you wanna ask me anything. That goes for everybody I guess, but it felt like Saw had questions.
 

*Splinter

Member
But hitting the multi-quote button just feels so good... Serious question though: Would you guys prefer if I split my posts into smaller chunks? (I'm doing this as an extra post already for better "quotability". More relevant post in a few minutes.)
Mobile users will thank you profusely for keeping to one topic per post o7

Let's not downplay LP's criticism though. His complaint (I think) was that your responses were relative useless one liners. The fact that you had included many points in one post was really more of a passing comment (or, I guess, an accusation that you were intentionally inflating the length of your posts to feed that "infrequent but thoughtful" image of yours. That works too)
 

Sophia

Member
Why are you focusing so much on Nin?

Because it's my current train of thought. Also he was first to reply to my post out of all the people I singled out.

Mmmmno?

No more than usual I mean, and progressing at a reasonable rate.

Why would you like us to believe that today is being wasted?


And btw I think you are wasting your time if you take Salva's posts at face value.

I will give you that we're definitely picking up pace at least. Also, some people feel like tehy're doing a good job (Sawneeks, who I'm town reading. Ty4on, who I'm neutral on. Yourself, Darryl, etc)

The El Topo discussion was also pretty good now to see where others stood in regards to his stance, so there's that too.

And perhaps I'm wasting my time, but there's a whole lot of silliness from Salva on page 2 (100 posts per page) so I don't know what to think of him.


I'm going to eat dinner, be back later.
 

*Splinter

Member
There's no real reason why I chose Ty4on other than the fact that he stuck out to me as someone that looked like scum trying to find posts to make. Someone like Sophia was already making a lot of posts so wanting to comment on the flavor of the minute isn't a stand out behavior.

There's someone like Sawneeks but that one is probably for meta reasons in that I tend to call Sawneeks out a lot in the start of every game we've been in and I don't wanna run the same loop every game. It's not that I didn't notice Sawneeks did it, I just didn't wanna talk about it.
Hrmmmyeaahhhok, close enough.



Oh btw I'm still #TeamSawneeks (as in townreading her)
 

*Splinter

Member
Had the worst day ever at work. I'm ready to play and be productive. Especially now that Splinter is here. Did I jinx it?

Following post with more thought is forecoming (on mobile)
Hey I got a vote before I even joined the game. That's presumably some sort of record so I'm pretty stoked about that.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
I'm going to bed pretty soon Sawneeks if you wanna ask me anything. That goes for everybody I guess, but it felt like Saw had questions.

I have a few but I wanted to re-read some things first.

With the way work is going though I probably won't be able to get to that for a few hours at least. I'll post them when I get some time and you can answer them when you come back.
 
I'm very glad we're shifting away from this Darryl/Ty4on/Sophia stuff because from what I've read they can handle that on their own (without interference) just fine and nothing about the conversation screams "Scum!" in the slightest. I'm not saying they're necessarily Town (though I think Darryl/Ty4on as WW is very unlikely at this point) but I'm not willing to vote on any of them based on what they've shown so far.

Much more interesting I find topo's behavior. Seems kind of nervous.

Or the fact that L_P actually isn't really coasting. Whatever that means.

Or SalvaPot not giving a single shit. I'm not sure if I've actually seen him play and I may be WIFOM'ing myself here but that pushes him towards the Town camp in my book.

I'm back and ready to get lynching. Topic of the day seems centered around Darryl, Ty4on and Sophia. Have to go back and look through the pages for thoughts.
Why do you post this and then don't make a follow-up?

Gotcha. So when people do end up null-reading you it's not because your scum, right? Thanks for the heads up, Mr. Rocket.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just stating facts about previous games here. Another fact: I never got NK'd so far.
 

Darryl

Banned
nothing she has said has made me feel even the slightest bit comfortable, and you town reading her without a lot of evidence is striking and stands out
 

*Splinter

Member
was there a post where you stated reasoning for townreading her?
No, that itself is the post where I state I'm townreading her. "still" refers to a past game, as much as anything, which is the only real reasoning I can give for townreading her.

She works her way through the thread questioning everyone, she "seems" town to me, and reminds me strongly of her past town performance.
 

Sophia

Member
nothing she has said has made me feel even the slightest bit comfortable, and you town reading her without a lot of evidence is striking and stands out

I've been town reading her too. Do you have anything that in particular makes you suspect of her or is it just a general read?

(Not dissin a general read. It can be useful if I've overlooked stuff too.)

Your current line of thought being focusing on one single player ?
Well i hope you will find peace by that young one.

You were the first person to reply to my post. Others I mentioned haven't. Thus, it was my current train of thought. So I looked back at your posts other than the ones about the Day 1 Lynch vs No Lynch discussion.
 

Ty4on

Member
nothing she has said has made me feel even the slightest bit comfortable, and you town reading her without a lot of evidence is striking and stands out
Anything in particular making you scum read her or just a null?

Curious of your thoughts on Gorlak and L_P as well if you have any.
 
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