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[Ourobolus]

Ok, I'm mostly caught up and I can see 2wo sides to this issue (ง •̀_•&#769ง

On the 1ne hand, 0uro seems h311a suspicious. 1st he claims a role that apparently Zeke has, then (j0ke?)claims one that's already dead. I dunno why he'd do this buuuut it is tr00 that he might've been trying to b8t the real Widowmaker (in which case Zeke fell right in2 his trap) (;*△*

In the end, I think it comes down to 0uro vs. Zeke. It's possible 0uro knows that Widow is a baddie and used that info to bait out a confession, in which case we should lynch Zeke. 0n the 0ther hand, 0uro could just be a lyncher out to kill Widow in which case we should frag him before he can do anything shady (telling people to specifically target Zeke tonight does s33m pretty 'spish tbh honest) 【・ヘ・?】

I think 4 now I'm going 2

Vote: Ourobolus

but I'm k33pin' meye eye on you, Zeke! (/(°∞°)\)

lol

Great, this is the character we get this time.

First off, there is, according to Sorian, no correlation between heroes and their alignment. Reaper could be town for all I know. I suspect Zeke, but I don't know his alignment other than the fact that it isn't town, since he's for some reason counterclaiming my role - why he would do this I have no idea, but since I'm WM and Town, he can't be either of those things.

Second, if I am a Lyncher, why would I
A) Be pushing for a Verelios lynch
or
B) suggesting either someone ELSE kill Zeke tonight, or if you're worried about that, protect/switch him?

That doesn't make any sense if I'm a Lyncher.

The simplest explanation is that I caught Verelios as scum and Zeke is trying super hard to save his buddy.

 

[franconp]

Ok, I'm mostly caught up and I can see 2wo sides to this issue (ง •̀_•&#769ง

On the 1ne hand, 0uro seems h311a suspicious. 1st he claims a role that apparently Zeke has, then (j0ke?)claims one that's already dead. I dunno why he'd do this buuuut it is tr00 that he might've been trying to b8t the real Widowmaker (in which case Zeke fell right in2 his trap) (;*△*

In the end, I think it comes down to 0uro vs. Zeke. It's possible 0uro knows that Widow is a baddie and used that info to bait out a confession, in which case we should lynch Zeke. 0n the 0ther hand, 0uro could just be a lyncher out to kill Widow in which case we should frag him before he can do anything shady (telling people to specifically target Zeke tonight does s33m pretty 'spish tbh honest) 【・ヘ・?】

I think 4 now I'm going 2

Vote: Ourobolus

but I'm k33pin' meye eye on you, Zeke! (/(°∞°)\)

Hi Cherry Bomb.

The Mccreed claim for Ouro was a joke. Can you share more read outside of the Vere/Ouro/Eze matter? What's your opinion on the rest of the players? Who do you feel is town and who is mafia?

I don't remember if Kingkitty did the same, but if he didn't please share your reads with us.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Verelios is at 10 votes right now, correct?

 

[Ourobolus]

Verelios is at 10 votes right now, correct?

8

Kingkitty unvoted
Franconp switched to me
Ty voted for Verelios

 

[franconp]

The simplest explanation is that I caught Verelios as scum and Zeke is trying super hard to save his buddy.

The big question here is: WHY? why would mafia put a second member in the spotlight? There are 22 players, so likely mafia will have 4 members at most (5 is unlikely has it would be a bit too much) so WHY would you risk half your team at the second day? To kill a cop who has already claimed? It doesn't make sense. Or they are the worst mafia team ever or you are lying to kill the widowmaker.

We can know all of this with just lynching you this phase. 2 scum for a cop who has revealed himself is a good enough trade for me.

 

[Xamtheking]

Cherry Bomb is my new favorite player of all time

 

[Ourobolus]

The big question here is: WHY? why would mafia put a second member in the spotlight? There are 22 players, so likely mafia will have 4 members at most (5 is unlikely has it would be a bit too much) so WHY would you risk half your team at the second day? To kill a cop who has already claimed? It doesn't make sense. Or they are the worst mafia team ever or you are lying to kill the widowmaker.

We can know all of this with just lynching you this phase. 2 scum for a cop who has revealed himself is a good enough trade for me.

I think 5 is more likely. 5 v 17 seems like a more even number for balance.
As for why he did it? No idea. But wasting potential investigations when we have a perfectly good scum on the hook? I don't even know why this is an argument.

 

[Bronx-Man]

This is a game where everyone's got some type of power, I wouldn't be surprised if we had 5 scum members to deal with.

 

[franconp]

I know nothing about Overwatch but maybe someone can help. As several player said there is a relation between the roles and their abilities. Is there in the game someone who has a grudge against the Widowmaker?

 

[Bronx-Man]

I know nothing about Overwatch but maybe someone can help. As several player said there is a relation between the roles and their abilities. Is there in the game someone who has a grudge against the Widowmaker?

Tracer.

 

[franconp]

This is a game where everyone's got some type of power, I wouldn't be surprised if we had 5 scum members to deal with.

What do you think about the rest of the post? Do you think mafia would expose a 2nd member the way they did? Is it logical? I'm truly asking. I would like to hear more opinions about this because I may have skipped something.

 

[Xamtheking]

I know nothing about Overwatch but maybe someone can help. As several player said there is a relation between the roles and their abilities. Is there in the game someone who has a grudge against the Widowmaker?

Don't go down this road, who is mafia and who is town isn't a simple "lol the bad characters are mafia" route, as Sorian says you shouldn't try to determine alignment based off of flavor

 

[Bronx-Man]

What do you think about the rest of the post? Do you think mafia would expose a 2nd member the way they did? Is it logical? I'm truly asking. I would like to hear more opinions about this because I may have skipped something.

If there's five scum, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to bus one but two would make no sense.

Between the three of them, I'm guessing one's town, one's neutral, and one is scum.

 

[franconp]

Tracer.

What?? Really??? Isn't that the same role that Ouro roleclaimed the very first day???? Why didn't realized this before?? I though that tracer was role not a character in the game.

 

[Ourobolus]

What?? Really??? Isn't that the same role that Ouro roleclaimed the very first day???? Why didn't realized this before?? I though that tracer was role not a character in the game.

omg i am not Tracer. jesus christ guys, you're making this way more complicated than it actually is

 

[franconp]

Don't go down this road, who is mafia and who is town isn't a simple "lol the bad characters are mafia" route, as Sorian says you shouldn't try to determine alignment based off of flavor

He said that town and mafia are randomized, not a neutral with a lynching objetive. As several people had said the roles had relation with their powers. Maybe it isn't to weird and it's lore-related.

 

[Xamtheking]

-This is your only warning. Flavor is just flavor. I play hard and fast with what I write and it is not indicative of any mechanics that may or may not be present. If you want to look like a fool reading into it, be my guest.

-The choosing of which heroes were scum was done completely at random. Preconceptions of who is good or bad does not transfer over to this game.

FFS, guys

 

[Bronx-Man]

I'll say this right now, alignments of the roles aren't based off of how characters align in-game but abilities are explictly tied to what characters can do in-game.

 

[franconp]

FFS, guys

I think flavor are the begining and end phase texts. We shouldn't be looking for answers there.

And I'm talking about a neutral here. There is not bad and good here. He just has a role related to his character. WM could be either good or bad.

 

[Ourobolus]

I think flavor are the begining and end phase texts. We shouldn't be looking for answers there.

And I'm talking about a neutral here. There is not bad and good here. He just has a role related to his character. WM could be either good or bad.

I'm positive Sorian said Town and Scum specifically so that he didn't imply the existence of a neutral, if there even is one. I think you're making a huge assumption here.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Ok, based off of everything I've read today, here's my (probably bullshit) theory on how everything is.

Ouro is telling the truth that he's a cop. BUT, his personal win-state is tied to finding and killing Widowmaker. Based off of how he was reading Vere on D1, he investigated him on N1 to see if he was WM. He foud out Vere is scum, but he's not WM. So on D2 he fake-claimed WM to draw out the real one, and Zeke fell for it easily. So his plan is to have Vere lynched today and not Zeke, because he has to personally kill Zeke himself on N2.

 

[Sophia]

Sorian isn't the kind of person to write game hints in the flavor text.

"Heroes" is quite literally a generic term for the playable characters of Overwatch. That's all.

 

[Ourobolus]

Ok, based off of everything I've read today, here's my (probably bullshit) theory on how everything is.

Ouro is telling the truth that he's a cop. BUT, his personal win-state is tied to finding and killing Widowmaker. Based off of how he was reading Vere on D1, he investigated him on N1 to see if he was WM. He foud out Vere is scum, but he's not WM. So on D2 he fake-claimed WM to draw out the real one, and Zeke fell for it easily. So his plan is to have Vere lynched today and not Zeke, because he has to personally kill Zeke himself on N2.

I....I don't even know what to tell you guys anymore. There's no catch. I'm not hunting for anyone other than scum. If you want to lynch fucking Sophia today, then whatever. I can't shoot anyone, I don't have any abilities other than investigation.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Ok, based off of everything I've read today, here's my (probably bullshit) theory on how everything is.

Ouro is telling the truth that he's a cop. BUT, his personal win-state is tied to finding and killing Widowmaker. Based off of how he was reading Vere on D1, he investigated him on N1 to see if he was WM. He foud out Vere is scum, but he's not WM. So on D2 he fake-claimed WM to draw out the real one, and Zeke fell for it easily. So his plan is to have Vere lynched today and not Zeke, because he has to personally kill Zeke himself on N2.

But if that were true, then it would tie into the lore, and Ouro would probably be Tracer or something.

And if he has a personal win state, doesn't that directly go against the interests of town? So is he a neutral?

All in all it's kind of a farfetched scenario. And if my flavor is anything to go off of, I doubt Ouro's role would be as crazy as that.

 

[franconp]

Ok, based off of everything I've read today, here's my (probably bullshit) theory on how everything is.

Ouro is telling the truth that he's a cop. BUT, his personal win-state is tied to finding and killing Widowmaker. Based off of how he was reading Vere on D1, he investigated him on N1 to see if he was WM. He foud out Vere is scum, but he's not WM. So on D2 he fake-claimed WM to draw out the real one, and Zeke fell for it easily. So his plan is to have Vere lynched today and not Zeke, because he has to personally kill Zeke himself on N2.

A cop who can NK? Isn't it too OP?

Maybe he has 1 time powers as the ones that Nin and Eze claimed to have, he used his investigative power on Vere and found scum and he will use his NK in Eze to fullfil his win condition? It could be. And the best way to prove it it would be to lynch Ouro. If this scenario is true we could kill Vere the next phase. And we can suspect of Nin being neutral too.

I'm going to sleep. I hope we can have something more concrete tomorrow.

 

[Bronx-Man]

For the record, I think Ouro's lying out his ass and is definitely Tracer.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Honestly I think you guys are making this way too complicated.

 

[Ourobolus]

Or we lynch Verelios and/or Zeke and I don't leave the game. I don't go anywhere until the end of the game, when (hopefully) town wins.

 

[Ourobolus]

For the record, I think Ouro's lying out his ass and is definitely Tracer.

How much you wanna bet on that

 

[Bronx-Man]

Honestly I think you guys are making this way too complicated.

Maybe if we would just lynch Vere already, we could finally clear all this up.

 

[Xamtheking]

Honestly I think you guys are making this way too complicated.

But would you have it any other way?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

But would you have it any other way?

Yes because I'm frustrated

 

[Sorian]

Current vote count:

Verelios (8)
Ourobolus
Bronx-man
*Splinter
Franconp
AbsolutBro
Melonrabbit
Xamtheking
Haly
WhereAreMahDragonz
Kingkitty
Burbeting
nin1000
Ty4on

Ourobolus (5)
EzekelRAGE
*Splinter
Haly
franconp
Cherry Bomb

nin1000 (1)
Barrylocke

StanleyPalmtree (1)
cabot

*Splinter (0)
cabot

Absolutbro (0)
Burbeting

Mazre (0)
Haly

Bronx-man (0)
Kingkitty

EzekelRAGE (0)
Barrylocke

Kyanrute (0)
Melonrabbit

11 votes needed for majority

 

[Sorian]

Mod Note

Sorian protocols are semi-reactivated (I do have to drive home tomorrow) so I am mostly here now. Thank you to anyone who ran things in my stead.

 

[Ourobolus]

1st he claims a role that apparently Zeke has, then (j0ke?)claims one that's already dead. I dunno why he'd do this buuuut it is tr00 that he might've been trying to b8t the real Widowmaker (in which case Zeke fell right in2 his trap) (;*△*

I will say that this puts Cherry on my short list of scum, though.

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

what the hell people.

some of the theory's you are convincing yourself about..

i was making more sense last night and i couldn't even type coherently.

 

[nin1000]

what the hell people.

some of the theory's you are convincing yourself about..

i was making more sense last night and i couldn't even type coherently.

It's amusing though

 

[cabot]

While I initially considered neutral lyncher Ouro as a possibility, it becomes very flawed when you think he found his target day one, hounded him, checked his target overnight and confirmed the target.

Don't believe in neutral lyncher Ouro.

VOTE: Verelios

 

[cabot]

New potential theory :

Ouros claim and subsequent call out of vere has scum crap themselves, vere is the strong man. If he dies, it's unlikely scum can kill Ouro tonight. Scum get desperate and scum eze counter claims to try and save strong man vere to waste cop Ouro.

I love theories.

 

[Burbeting]

I can't believe we are still discussing about the flavor justifications.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I'm really drunk

Why isn't this bar mafia

 

[cabot]

I'm really drunk

Why isn't this bar mafia

What is a bar mafia?

Never heard of it.

 

[Burbeting]

Where are you verelios?

Sitting tightly in the scum chat while letting other scum try to save you?

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

Where are you verelios?

Sitting tightly in the scum chat while letting other scum try to save you?

iv been suspecting something like this to,

only my guess was its an attempt to give as little as possible away in the near certain event of his lynch.

 

[cabot]

iv been suspecting something like this to,

only my guess was its an attempt to give as little as possible away in the near certain event of his lynch.

If you're Town and a 'cop' claims you're scum, this is about the worst way to deal with it.

 

[Burbeting]

iv been suspecting something like this to,

only my guess was its an attempt to give as little as possible away in the near certain event of his lynch.

I'm concerned also with the narrative trying to be shifted to Ouro vs Zeke, it's almost like Verelios has been pushed away from the spotlight.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

This is being made way more complicated than it needs to be and wasting a ton of time. We could've been got a flip on Ouro and a slew of questions answered instead you guys want to argue yourselves to death on random theories half of which don't make sense. Fran, me and I think splinter have laid out things in the simplest way.

What would you guys do if someone claimed your character? I'm just wondering because apparently I was suppose to keep quiet and let Ouro continue his lie?

 

[Burbeting]

What would you guys do if someone claimed your character? I'm just wondering because apparently I was suppose to keep quiet and let Ouro continue his lie?

You do realise that your POV is not the absolute truth from our POV?

 

[StanleyPalmtree]

If you're Town and a 'cop' claims you're scum, this is about the worst way to deal with it.

why exactly?

 

[cabot]

why exactly?

If you're wrongfully accused, would you just go completely silent?

Would you not be very angry, confused and trying to convince the Town of the madness that is happening?

Why would you resign yourself to your fate?