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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload

Let's see:

So because I found you scummy? And not everyone agreed with me? What are you pointing out? How am I reacting to you linking us?

Also, I'm not sure what Splinter's read on you have to do with mine own. And given his track record so far, I'd be less likely to believe his intuition on much at the moment.
 
I wasn't talking about you but Bronx. He wouldn't let it go when there were a lot of clues that it can be true.

And I wasn't talking about myself. We could be debating votes or claims or several other things. Not something that's in the rules.

Where was I debating the rules?
 

franconp

Member
Fran, why did you think it was a wise idea to roleclaim when you couldn't figure out those two unknown variables?

1- Gut feelings. Every time I reread the peeking thing after Eze's kill I think it was suspicious. And it could explain why there was no kill the first night. And roleclaiming adds more to the Stanley point.

2- Because it's not a really important power. If I were a doctor or a cop I would shut up. But a switcher in a game full of roles, not so much. It could lead to a bad read with a tracer or another situations. I'm really just using to move myself around so far.

3- I felt that the post were I talked about the strong mechanic was a mistake after I wrote it. I should have made that post because it could seem that I'm a medic.
 
1- Gut feelings. Every time I reread the peeking thing after Eze's kill I think it was suspicious. And it could explain why there was no kill the first night. And roleclaiming adds more to the Stanley point.

2- Because it's not a really important power. If I were a doctor or a cop I would shut up. But a switcher in a game full of roles, not so much. It could lead to a bad read with a tracer or another situations. I'm really just using to move myself around so far.

3- I felt that the post were I talked about the strong mechanic was a mistake after I wrote it. I should have made that post because it could seem that I'm a medic.

Maybe. Just maybe. I'm dense as fuck. Because I still don't see how you switching yourself with Stanley prevented anyone dying on N1.

Also, speaking of, didn't Haly say they had an explanation for why that happened? Did they ever post about it?
 

franconp

Member
So because I found you scummy? And not everyone agreed with me? What are you pointing out? How am I reacting to you linking us?

Also, I'm not sure what Splinter's read on you have to do with mine own. And given his track record so far, I'd be less likely to believe his intuition on much at the moment.

I'm talking that several people, not just me found your acusation weak. Saying that I voted for Stan for a cop claiming when he made a very bad post, a post that now, with Eze flipping scum, seems more important that what it was. You said that I responded quick to a question when I was posting all morning!!!!!!! None of the arguments are really strong. Most of your

Where was I debating the rules?

Not you, Bronx. Come on!!!!!!!! Why don't you let it go already? There's nothing to discuss with this.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Also, speaking of, didn't Haly say they had an explanation for why that happened? Did they ever post about it?

No, and my explanation was wrong. I think franconp's scenario is farfetched but my role has no interference with his hypothetical as far as I can see.
 

Sophia

Member
Maybe. Just maybe. I'm dense as fuck. Because I still don't see how you switching yourself with Stanley prevented anyone dying on N1.

Also, speaking of, didn't Haly say they had an explanation for why that happened? Did they ever post about it?

I don't see it either.

And did Haly?

*goes back to check*
 
I'm talking that several people, not just me found your acusation weak. Saying that I voted for Stan for a cop claiming when he made a very bad post, a post that now, with Eze flipping scum, seems more important that what it was. You said that I responded quick to a question when I was posting all morning!!!!!!! None of the arguments are really strong. Most of your

Most of my what...?

You didn't answer my question. What does other people's impressions/read/whatever have to do with you and me? I didn't suspect you solely for the Stanley vote and said as much. Your behavior throughout D1 was all over the place. Your obsession with the peeking debate for one, your tunneling on Stan for two. And three, reactions like this:

Not you, Bronx. Come on!!!!!!!! Why don't you let it go already? There's nothing to discuss with this.

There was something. We discussed it. Why do you care?

No, and my explanation was wrong. I think franconp's scenario is farfetched but my role has no interference with his hypothetical as far as I can see.

Humor us anyway.
 

Sophia

Member
Could you link to this? I took a quick look and couldn't find it.

Hmm.... can't say I see it? Except for Ezekel. Mind pointing some examples out?

One thing that bothers me about Ezekel is how quickly he went from this



To voting for him.

That was only a timeframe of like six hours at best. :\

Splinter said he thought Fran was looking like a potential lynch target, and I told him I didn't see it, and then pointed out how quickly Ezekel went from "seems to be normal posting" to voting for him. It's making me slightly town read right now, although I don't know what to think of the whole fran vs melon deal.
 
So scum really tries to push for a plan that would by good against them? Really?? Come on!! At least try a little harder.

sure some would, it would be stupid for all scum to be universally against something that would likely benifit town.

also that is not at all what i was talking about
 

Ty4on

Member
Splinter said he thought Fran was looking like a potential lynch target, and I told him I didn't see it, and then pointed out how quickly Ezekel went from "seems to be normal posting" to voting for him. It's making me slightly town read right now, although I don't know what to think of the whole fran vs melon deal.

Oh, I even remember you pointing that out. I was too focused on D2 and thought that was when it had happened.

An Ouro lynch must have been so tempting for scum. Verelios might get a chance to use his ability and Ouro's flip semi-confirms Ezekel. I haven't gone back yet to check for connections, but from memory Splinter's actions intrigue me because they seem too bold for a scum.
 

nin1000

Banned
I'm not at all alright with this. We know there is (or was) a sniper in town as someone had to kill Eze last night (the mafia killing Eze idea is really stupid, even more than mine). Also Vere's role gives you the certainty that there is a killer in the town side. If not why would he had his role?

Sorry but again.

Did you miss my post where I claimed to have killed EzekelRAGE?
 
The most suspect votes are all in the top 3, and there's scum sprinkled through it.

First, there was *Splinter's vote on Mazre to make a tie with Ezekel that I dislike.

As I was putting this together I thought AbsolutBro moving ahead of Ezekel (with Ezekel's vote) cleared him as town but then when I realized instead of pushing Ezekel (who was at 4), he switched off to Ynnek and that's kind of what got the ball rolling on his lynch D1. Now I'm suspicious of AB.

Lastly, for the people that pushed Ynnek from 2 to 6 (I'm discounting Xam's last minute vote because it doesn't make a different, I feel there was one more scum working with Verelios. Going by the above, I'd place that as AB.

And if I am suspecting AB, then WAMD and melon are also cleared in my eyes because while I can understand sacrificing one weaker power for Ezekel's extra kill (hence, Ezekel's vote for AB), I can't imagine two people going in to bus/fake-bus AB just to save Ezekel.

So, yeah. AB is tops for me now, with *splinter at a vague second. Missing from the above is Kyanrute/Cherry who I see is in the spotlight now. Kyan's being replaced means their absence from D1 is understandable so I'll leave that line to others. I will also look at vote patterns in D2 later.
So I continuously make allusions day 1 to scum hiding in the "pro-peek" camp, going so far as to vote for Ezekel for that reason (and catch flak for it, mind you), because what? I want to be the most balls out brazen scum ever?

I didn't switch my vote to EzekelRage for the exact reason I said both that day and this day: watching votes land during a tie situation is usually very telling. I didn't "get the ball rolling" on Ynnek, since I never once encouraged anyone to vote for him. In fact, I took flak from WAMD for NOT voting for Ynnek.

I notice you skip over things like this:

Uhh... I'm seeing no train of thought as to how AbsolutBro got to his vote on Ezekel. :\

And his reasons for voting him could easily be directed at AB himself, if I'm not mistaken?
or
This doesn't really make a lot of sense. I agree with you about the peeking strat being scummy, but why Zeke over, say, Ynnek, who was also advocating for it, if I recall?

Your whole reasoning feels like you pushing an easy lynch on an inactive player.
or more fishing
Seems I was mistaken, then. What do you think of the other players in the peek start? I haven't gone back and looked.

(Are we even still onboard with that? I didn't see a common census...)

from your apparently "cleared" players. Cleared by nothing other than voting for Ezekel apparently?
 
So I continuously make allusions day 1 to scum hiding in the "pro-peek" camp, going so far as to vote for Ezekel for that reason (and catch flak for it, mind you), because what? I want to be the most balls out brazen scum ever?

I didn't switch my vote to EzekelRage for the exact reason I said both that day and this day: watching votes land during a tie situation is usually very telling. I didn't "get the ball rolling" on Ynnek, since I never once encouraged anyone to vote for him. In fact, I took flak from WAMD for NOT voting for Ynnek.

I notice you skip over things like this:


or

or more fishing


from your apparently "cleared" players. Cleared by nothing other than voting for Ezekel apparently?

None of this really answers the questions / concerns people have about your weird vote reasoning, nor does it also explain your literal last minute vote on Verelios, only when his lynch was a sure thing.

You're trying so hard to appear to be town, but I'm not buying it at all. I've had my suspicions about you since day one; about your lack of reasoning about your voting patterns, and on day two, when you up and vanished. And now, here you are again. After two scum are dead, and you have to try to salvage the team by buying yourself more town points.

Do you have anything productive to add to the conversation? Because I have yet to see you do it. And that, to me, indicates scum.

Vote: AbsolutBro
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
It's in the video he made here, in the style of an Overwatch "Play of the Game"

Check out the link I quoted.

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Good shit, Nin. Good shit indeed.
 
None of this really answers the questions / concerns people have about your weird vote reasoning, nor does it also explain your literal last minute vote on Verelios, only when his lynch was a sure thing.

You're trying so hard to appear to be town, but I'm not buying it at all. I've had my suspicions about you since day one; about your lack of reasoning about your voting patterns, and on day two, when you up and vanished. And now, here you are again. After two scum are dead, and you have to try to salvage the team by buying yourself more town points.

Do you have anything productive to add to the conversation? Because I have yet to see you do it. And that, to me, indicates scum.

Firstly, if I was scum I would simply be shutting my mouth right now and coasting. I'd pop in, ask a question, maybe answer something. No way am I doing huge multiquotes, throwing in late explanations or basically doing anything that might get me noticed.

Weird reasoning? Where, exactly? I have explained it as thoroughly as I possibly can. My D1 Ezekel vote was initially based on "gut feelings" about peek proponents. (A point on which I was right, I might add.) My D1 Ynnek vote was absolutely purposefully tying the vote, to see how votes moved, maybe even save my own ass. I am really not sure how to explain it any clearer than that.

My hammer vote on Vere I explained earlier. It's here, in case you missed it.

As for not adding anything productive, pot/kettle much?
 
Firstly, if I was scum I would simply be shutting my mouth right now and coasting. I'd pop in, ask a question, maybe answer something. No way am I doing huge multiquotes, throwing in late explanations or basically doing anything that might get me noticed.

Weird reasoning? Where, exactly? I have explained it as thoroughly as I possibly can. My D1 Ezekel vote was initially based on "gut feelings" about peek proponents. (A point on which I was right, I might add.) My D1 Ynnek vote was absolutely purposefully tying the vote, to see how votes moved, maybe even save my own ass. I am really not sure how to explain it any clearer than that.

My hammer vote on Vere I explained earlier. It's here, in case you missed it.

As for not adding anything productive, pot/kettle much?

I just took a sleep aid so I'm gonna zonk out...but I will respond to this.
 

Cherry Bomb

Neo Member
Srry for the late reply! Was stuck away from my laptop all day but now I'm here and ready to r0x some s0x ^_^;/

I don't like this vote by Cherry. Like Splinter, she ignored Verelios, and makes the issue completely about Ouro vs Zeke, which is the point of view scum would have loved to spin.

I was still playing catch up tbh honest, and that was my thoughts based on a cursory glance of 30+ pages. On the rewind I was too focused on 0uro vs. Zeke but had I been given more time (liek if we hadn't gone turbo) I'd've been able to weigh in more >:T

Besides, if I were a baddie, why wouldn't I have done anything to steer things away from a teammate who had both a red check and was so close to being turbo'd? An 0uro lynch was extremely unlikely yesterday, but I placed my vote on him anyway bcuz he's who I felt strongest about at the time and that's all there is to it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

N-E-hoo, here are my sick reads so far:

Good Guys

franconp: Seems to be trying his best to contribute and has even written up some long yet plausible explanations for his theories. Generally very engaged in conversation and hasn't exhibited any scummy behaviour from what I can see

nin1000: Should be self-explanatory, really!

WhereAreMahDragonz: Clean voting patterns and generally strong posts. He also doesn't mess around and gets straight to the point, which seems unllike scum to me. Good gut feeling on this one.

Bad Guys

AbsolutBro: Some weird sketchy votes and odd posting behaviour (not that I'm one to talk but hey, I just got here). I'm not as sold on him as some others but he's still one of my top 3 suspects.

*Splinter & StanleyPalmTree: These two are linked by their weird votes on Mazre during Day 1, plus both have acted in opposition to a couple of my top town picks. Could just be petty squabbling but I'm definitely eyeing them suspiciously.

???

Burbeting: Seems generally talkative and productive, but was also one of 0uro's scumreads and his insight turned out to be crazy accurate. Hasn't done anything to really incriminate himself though.

Sophia: Some strange behaviour that makes me raise an eyebrow but she's also acknowledging her mistakes so I can cut her some slack.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
So I continuously make allusions day 1 to scum hiding in the "pro-peek" camp, going so far as to vote for Ezekel for that reason (and catch flak for it, mind you), because what? I want to be the most balls out brazen scum ever?
I was only looking at voting patterns, not explanations.

I didn't switch my vote to EzekelRage for the exact reason I said both that day and this day: watching votes land during a tie situation is usually very telling.
It isn't the "not switching to EzekelRage" that I have a problem with.

First count.
EzekelRAGE (4)
Barrylocke
Ouro
AbsolutBro
franconp

AbsolutBro (1)
Burbeting
EzekelRAGE

Second count.
AbsolutBro (4)
Burbeting
EzekelRAGE
WhereAreMahDragonz
EzekelRAGE
melonrabbit

EzekelRAGE (3)
Barrylocke
Ouro
AbsolutBro
franconp

Ynnek7 (3)
cabot
cabot
nin1000
AbsolutBro
It's one thing to not vote for Ezekel but you actually pushed yourself ahead of Ezekel by switching off him. Unless you were extremely sure of Ynnek (and who could be, D1, except our Lord and Saviour ouroloborolo?)

I didn't "get the ball rolling" on Ynnek, since I never once encouraged anyone to vote for him. In fact, I took flak from WAMD for NOT voting for Ynnek.
I'm going to show the progression of posts after you conspicuously (though not at the time) subjected yourself to risk of a lynch.
(no comment on how you're putting yourself at risk to save Ezekel)
Just to be clear, there will be no last minute claim from me.
(Verelios creates Mazre/AbsolutBro/Ynnek three-way tie)
Out of the people present I'd choose a vote on Ynnek because he's completely flying under me. I wouldn't have even remembered him if it wasn't for nin, and that reminds me of his neutral play. Going back over his posts, I'm comfortable with this vote unless he starts making waves.

VOTE: Ynnek7
You point out the tie, but make no attempt to break it. You could've voted Ezekel defensively, shifting the tie to Ezekel/Mazre/AbsolutBro. Who would question you? Ezekel was voting you after all. It would've made sense. Or you could've voted Mazre, pushing him ahead, and saving yourself. Again, you can't be faulted for self preservation.

35 minutes and we are back to a 3 way tie.

Ty4on breaks the tie.
VOTE: Ynnek7

Ynnek defends himself, retying it.
Still doing my reread between work and I still have no real solid leads, but if it's down to a tie that I'm part of

VOTE: AbsolutBro

Sophia breaks the tie again, putting Ynnek in lead.
I don't like any of those three votes. But of those three, I dislike Ynnek the least

Vote: Ynnek7
from your apparently "cleared" players. Cleared by nothing other than voting for Ezekel apparently?
WAMD and melon are "cleared" under the assumption that you're scum. If you turn out to be town, then they would no longer be clear. In fact, I would begin to suspect them.

I thought you were being primed by scum as an alternative to Ezekel, to save his own skin. Ezekel would've needed collaborators, so I started to look at melon and WAMD. But when I viewed the counts over time, your lack of self preservation disturbed me, so I then switched my focus to you.
 

kingkitty

Member
I arbitrarily decided to look at the last 4 people who voted for Verelios, and the 4 (alive) people who voted for Ouro, as well as Stanley.

Ty4on - Day 1 was a lot of "not rocking the boat"ness. Asked lots of questions, bordering on filler. Some meta discussion, peeking discussion. Nothing scum wouldn't be capable of. The vote for Ynnek7 seemed very go with the flow without much of a read beforehand. On Day 1, he jumped to lynch scum Verelios, and then argued against lynching Ouro, which would have benefited scum Ezekel.

I guess that swayed me enough to put down lean town for now.

Cabot - Early on in Day 1 he put Verelios on a suspicion list. Would later early describe Verelios as "more town than scum". Not afraid to push and shove in the game.
Gave an early vote on Verelios (without much reasoning besides a total recall gif). Seemed to show a little friction against Verelios in some of the Day 1 discussions.
Wrote Verelios down as "very light scum leans". Wrote Ezekel in the "lynch inactives" pile. In Day 2 he showed a willingness to vote Verelios (doesnt want to needlessly turbo). Casts doubt on Ezekel protecting his scumbro. Blows off Ezekel's suggestion to lynch Ouro instead (if Cabot is scum, really giving his scumbro Ezekel little help).

Maybe lean town?

Mazre - "personally" thinks there's no cop in this game, based on what? just chooses to assume there isn't a cop. If scum, seems like pointless negative attention. Signaled that he was ok lynching Verelios. Inoffensive besides that, blendy.

Null read.

Absolutbro - Doesn't scumhunt much on Day 1. Ezekel puts a vote down on absolutbro, but then puts a "fake edit" to actually put a vote down for franconp. Why not delete the vote for absolutbro, what was the point? Scum Ezekel trying to look like there's friction between him and scum Absolut?

AB does eventually put a vote down for Ezekel. But is nomcommital. But unvotes, while Ezekal re-voted for AB. At that time it put Absolutbro at 3, Ezekel at 3, Ynnek at 3, and Mazre at 4 in vote leaders. If both Ezekel and Absolutbro were scum, having both of them nearly tied with the vote leader is a gnarly situation. So I'm not sure Ezekel would risk a vote on another scum bro when there were clear alternatives, like Ynnek7. Of course it's worth considering they may have considered busing scum AB if necessary on Day 1, but they never took the opportunity, with scum Verelios switching his vote over to AB.

On Day 2, AB jumped right for the Verelios lynch when Ouro claimed cop (and widowmaker). Pushed back against Ezekel's idea to lynch Ouro first in the widowmaker war.

My belly gives off slight town.

Splinter
- Day 1 Verelios tries to pin something slight by saying to Splinter, "gee you and cabot post together quite quick". Interestingly Splinter defends Verelios from reads he finds "odd". Implied that was something odd about several people having similar reads against Verelios. He later voted for Xam, "not feeling" a scum Zeke lynch. Won't go for a Verelios lynch. Towards the end of the day, he stated that he trusted Zeke the most among the vote leaders.

Day 2 he votes for Verelios after Ouro's cop claim. Unvotes to avoid turbo. Pushes back hard again Ezekel asking for mass name claim. Then concentrates on the Widow claim, backs up Ezekel in trying to lynch Ouro. He then says "if Ouro is town, lynch Ezeke and Verelios" (Was scum banking that Ouro was a neutral?). To be honest, a part of me doesn't want to think Splinter is scum because it all seems so obvious with how much he defended both of known scum bros. Perhaps scum Splinter really banked on Ouro being a neutral (why else would he lie about his character, amirite). So he decided to boldly go ALL-IN on Ezekel's plan. It seems too obvious but my heart can't ignore it.

Lean scum for now.

Haly - Starts off day 1 talking about mechanics n shit. Likes that mass claiming and peeking idea. Didn't do much scum hunting until prodded.

Day 2 - Early votes for Verelios after Ouro's cop claim. Unvotes. Thinks Verelios is a good chance of being scum, but later asks Ouro if perhaps it would be a better idea to have himself lynched first. Then lynch the others based on his word. Would back scum Ezekel's plan.

From what I've read on those 2 days I'm feeling a decent lean suspicious to scum at the moment.

franconp - Day 1 he pushes a little against Verelios being picky with Ouro (if they're both scum, why take a slight tinkle of Verelios' narrative bro?). He later put down Ezekel as a possible lynch target cause of inactivity but backed off when Ezekel posted some content. In this day, Ezekel would put a vote down for franconp. Later in the day, there was a tie between Mazre and Ezekel, and franconp decided to vote for Ezekel to break the tie. Ezekel lashes out a bit at franconp for "sketchy" vote. Some pecking between those two towards the end of Day 1.

On Day 2 slaps Verelios early on, puts vote down on him. But later changes mind, votes for Ouro after Ezekel counter claiming. On Day 3 claims switcher ability (risky move if they're banking the real switcher wouldn't counter claim at this point) (unless of course the switcher is a scum-only ability in this game) (there could be more than 1 switcher in this game) (i don't know).

The Day 2 action gives me some pause, but the pecking and vote placement in Day 1 makes me want to not murder franconp at the moment, so lean town I guess.

Cherry Bomb/kyanrute
-Cherry Bomb voted for Ouro over Ezekel to settle the widowmaker claim, didn't discuss Verilios at the time. Not a great look but there's not much else to go on. The original player Kyanrute just fluffed here and there.

I need to see more, so I'm going with null.

Stanley Palmtree - He pooped a little bit on scum Verelios towards the end of Day 1. But besides that, I didn't feel like Day 1 had a lot of scum hunting or dank reads. On Day 2 he suggests there might something going on with Vere and Ezekel not talking to each other once the "whole shebang" started. Stanley in a drunken state would later say that between Ouro and Ezekel, he would pick Ezekel. Unfortunately he didn't vote for anyone though, so those could be empty words. However if he and Ezekel are on the same scum team, not sure he would fan the idea in having scum Ezekel killed instead. (But he was apparently drunk) Also it wouldn't seem wise to imply that Verelios and Ezekel were both scum bros. Especially if Verelios was lynched, Ouro died at night, and Ezekel survived. If he was able to survive, he could've at least tried to bluff his way out of death, talking about "crazy Ouro with his fake claims".

For now, slight lean townie.

I'm gonna go give a deep look at Ezekel and Verelios' posts, which might affect my current reads. Also I'm not feeling that Cherry Bomb vote lead. Seems a bit of an easy go-to. brb unless I fall asleep.
 

cabot

Member
Also I thought that there would be a medic, that scum wouldn't target him being afraid of someone preventing another NK. There were a lot of possible ways to Ouro to stay alive. But I made a gameplay call that could made me seem like a medic and I wanted to protect myself. If Barry would have died this night phase I would know for certain that I was a target and I would be certain that Stanley is scum. So there were a lot of reasons to not target Ouro.

This logic is off, you say earlier that your role PM confirms a strong kill, but you left Ouro alone because you thought there would be a medic?

The medic would have been useless based on the information you had.
 

cabot

Member
1) Besides, if I were a baddie, why wouldn't I have done anything to steer things away from a teammate who had both a red check and was so close to being turbo'd? An 0uro lynch was extremely unlikely yesterday, but I placed my vote on him anyway bcuz he's who I felt strongest about at the time and that's all there is to it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

N-E-hoo, here are my sick reads so far:

2)Good Guys

franconp: Seems to be trying his best to contribute and has even written up some long yet plausible explanations for his theories. Generally very engaged in conversation and hasn't exhibited any scummy behaviour from what I can see

nin1000: Should be self-explanatory, really!

WhereAreMahDragonz: Clean voting patterns and generally strong posts. He also doesn't mess around and gets straight to the point, which seems unllike scum to me. Good gut feeling on this one.

1) it's not unheard of that a lynch could turn around and backfire on someone, it's almost a GAFIA stalwart. Also, considering scum zeke threw his hat into the ring against Ouro who was dead set on nailing Scum Vere, I can't really see the sensible logic in 'I'll add my own hat to the fight and help protect my scum partners!'. I think you tried to protect them by aiding the Ouro train but staying clear of the mad triangle.

2) You have nin as a good guy as I guess you fully believe his claim, yet I'm not on the good guy list despite nin clearing me? What's up with that, sunshine?


Also Bear being mentioned because Ouro scumread him and ouro is the dogs bollox is fucking lol.
 

cabot

Member
reads on what's happened.

franconp : - Still believe he is town, think he's making a lot of connections to get to his conclusion as opposed to them being there already.

StanleyPalmtree : - I was town reading him mostly before today, not too much has changed yet. Not convinced by the case against him right now.

melonrabbit : - The least certain read, bit of a null vibe, though I find melon difficult to read in general. It's got little to do with fran.


I'm gonna digest Haly's case on AB now.
 

franconp

Member
This logic is off, you say earlier that your role PM confirms a strong kill, but you left Ouro alone because you thought there would be a medic?

The medic would have been useless based on the information you had.

And the switch would be useless too. If a medic protects Ouro, why would I protect him too when we both have the same weakness?

I really didn't think they would target Ouro the last night. He was the biggest target for everyone: scum, medic, tracker, etc. It was a bold move.
 

cabot

Member
And the switch would be useless too. If a medic protects Ouro, why would I protect him too when we both have the same weakness?

I really didn't think they would target Ouro the last night. He was the biggest target for everyone: scum, medic, tracker, etc. It was a bold move.

What do you think Scum were thinking when Vere flipped. They knew Ouro was lyring about his hero name, do you think they believed the cop claim?
 

Burbeting

Banned
And the switch would be useless too. If a medic protects Ouro, why would I protect him too when we both have the same weakness?

I really didn't think they would target Ouro the last night. He was the biggest target for everyone: scum, medic, tracker, etc. It was a bold move.

What would have happened if Ouro flipped on N2, and Zeke did not?
 

cabot

Member
fyi my kill was a strong kill.

it was described as very powerful. it goes trough everything.

Thought Vere's role protected scum completely for one night but I went back and checked after you said this, nope. He just added a protection layer to all members, you could have killed anyone on the team regardless if strong.
 

franconp

Member
What do you think Scum were thinking when Vere flipped. They knew Ouro was lyring about his hero name, do you think they believed the cop claim?

I think they freaked out a bit when Ouro claimed to be a cop but they didn't believed him after he claimed WM. Why would he lie about his rolename after he made a call? If the rolename it's just flavor why the need to lie about it? And they knew for certain that he was lying. Something was fishy.

What would have happened if Ouro flipped on N2, and Zeke did not?

Not much. We would have known for certain that Zeke was WM. Nothing else really. I said before: If Ouro doesn't flip cop or WM it doesn't mean that Zeke or Vere are town at all. Zeke was scum in my mind since day 1.
 

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I think they freaked out a bit when Ouro claimed to be a cop but they didn't believed him after he claimed WM. Why would he lie about his rolename after he made a call? If the rolename it's just flavor why the need to lie about it? And they knew for certain that he was lying. Something was fishy.

nin's claim sort of went relatively under the radar yesterday, though it was there and brought up a few times, scum couldn't have missed it. What do you think? did scum go for Ouro alone?


I am pretty strongly in favour of scum tried to kill 2 people last night and only got the one kill. The Town RB was lynched, it's unlikely there are two blockers on one team, and even if so the chances of hitting Ezekel on n1?


Question is who was that second target? Nin and Ouro?

Anyone willing to offer some thoughts here
 
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