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[Yukstin]

For the people with the B6, how is the motion performance on this set? I'm coming from a 60hz panasonic plasma (ST60), which has no soap opera effect and handles motion very well. My samsung on the other hand has a stutter to it if I turn off Auto motion plus.. I'm hoping that the B6 wont have that problem cause it drives me crazy.

The B6 only achieves 600 lines of motion resolution when you engage the De-Blur setting to 10. Otherwise it only has 300 lines of motion resolution. The old Panasonic plasmas could resolve all 1080 lines of motion resolution so you may see a bit of difference.

This de-blue setting shouldn't introduce the soap opera affect though. When you engage the de-judder along with it, then you get the soap opera look.

 

[DJ Lushious]

As a former owner of the 2016 M70-D3 and a current owner of a KS8000, I couldn't disagree more on your assessment; it's more complicated than what you're painting.

My post you're replying to was intentionally high level, with explicit notation of what is my opinion and what wasn't. In addition, the M-Series isn't even in the same tier as the KS8000, again, as I relayed. The P-Series is the KS8000 competitor.

Though let me respond to your points.

One, Vizio's UI is nonexistent while Samsung has one of the best integrated user interfaces out there. My KS8000 can read and label all the inputs, integrate with my DirecTV receiver so I get show previews, and a really slick universal remote that has voice control built into the remote. Vizio does the whole GoogleCast approach which means you need to beam content from other devices instead of using a built in app, not a fan of having to search for a tablet to control what I'm watching.

I much prefer the Chromecast approach. I needn't ever worry about the TV's apps getting out of date. In addition, I can Chromecast from *any* of my capable devices. And once streaming, the remote can take care of the rest. These are all arguments based on opinion. Though you imply that Vizio does not allow one to change input names, which I am absolutely befuddled by.

Two, Vizio's 2016 line has a bunch of problems with various 4K HDR sources. My M70 would routinely have video and audio dropouts, and Vizio keeps releasing software patches that create new problems. As of 10 days ago, the M Series line couldn't show 4K HDR movies or HDR gaming from the Xbox One S, which is unbelievable.

Anecdotal evidence to the first part and not 100% correct to the second. Anything in your HDMI chain could have caused the A/V dropouts, even down to the cables. The M-Series is perfectly capable of showing 4k HDR movies, streaming, HDR10, Dolby Vision, and UHD Blu (including the Xbox One S!). The Xbox One S gaming HDR comment has already been discussed above. The problem is getting fixed, so there's not much else to go on about that.

Three, speaking of being future proof, Samsung is much better positioned for that because of their One Connect platform, allowing owners to upgrade their HDMI ports to support future standards. Dolby Vision may be a superior HDR format, but HDR10 has wider adoption and appears to be positioned to win the format war since its free, whereas Dolby Vision requires dedicated hardware and licensing fees. Also, Samsung has a better track record of continuing to support their sets. I have a 2015 M-Series that didn't get much software support in new apps. On the flip-side, Samsung pushed firmware to 2015 sets to support HDR when they didn't have to do that.

You're making some very sweeping presumptions and doom-and-gloom predictions about Dolby Vision. Considering Dolby Vision is the format cinemas have adopted, along with Samsung & Sony being the only big names to not support the format, I'm finding it hard to understand where you're coming from. The content is there and it's growing. This isn't a format war akin HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, but rather like Dolby and DTS audio formats.

Also, the One Connect box is a great idea!

Four, input lag on Vizio HDR content is not "slightly higher", it's 3x higher than what Samsung has accomplished on the KS8000. I know the Vizio CTO is on record tying to find ways to reduce input lag, but it is what it right now.

I, too, can play with numbers and make them seem worlds apart. The facts were stated, end of discussion.

Don't get me wrong, Vizio is not a bad brand, but I have zero confidence in their ability to get their software situation together after going thru 3 firmware updates on my 2016 M Series. To their credit, Vizio issued me a full refund for the set I bought after owning it for 4 months based on my dissatisfaction.

Ah, there it is. You have an axe to grind.

As someone that has had the opportunity to own both sets this year, Samsung's KS8000 is just an all-around, more polished and elegantly designed set, from top to bottom.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you're challenging the differences between the two sets with a bit of FUD.

I'm not trying to be the Vizio defense force here. I have openly admitted faults in Vizio's line and I have praised the KS8000. I just think you missed the mark on some of your responses to me.

They are evenly matched sets. Where one exceeds, the other is serviceable, and vice versa. They end up being a wash at the end, with either model lines being great purchases.

 

[KillGore]

March to May is new TV season.

Thanks man. Have to stay strong until then.

 

[Purexed]

My post you're replying to was intentionally high level, with explicit notation of what is my opinion and what wasn't. In addition, the M-Series isn't even in the same tier as the KS8000, again, as I relayed. The P-Series is the KS8000 competitor.

Though let me respond to your points.


I much prefer the Chromecast approach. I needn't ever worry about the TV's apps getting out of date. In addition, I can Chromecast from *any* of my capable devices. And once streaming, the remote can take care of the rest. These are all arguments based on opinion. Though you imply that Vizio does not allow one to change input names, which I am absolutely befuddled by.


Anecdotal evidence to the first part and not 100% correct to the second. Anything in your HDMI chain could have caused the A/V dropouts, even down to the cables. The M-Series is perfectly capable of showing 4k HDR movies, streaming, HDR10, Dolby Vision, and UHD Blu (including the Xbox One S!). The Xbox One S gaming HDR comment has already been discussed above. The problem is getting fixed, so there's not much else to go on about that.


You're making some very sweeping presumptions and doom-and-gloom predictions about Dolby Vision. Considering Dolby Vision is the format cinemas have adopted, along with Samsung & Sony being the only big names to not support the format, I'm finding it hard to understand where you're coming from. The content is there and it's growing. This isn't a format war akin HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, but rather like Dolby and DTS audio formats.

Also, the One Connect box is a great idea!


I, too, can play with numbers and make them seem worlds apart. The facts were stated, end of discussion.


Ah, there it is. You have an axe to grind.


You are entitled to your opinion. However, you're challenging the differences between the two sets with a bit of FUD.

I'm not trying to be the Vizio defense force here. I have openly admitted faults in Vizio's line and I have praised the KS8000. I just think you missed the mark on some of your responses to me.

The reason why I singled out your reply isn't because you were wrong, you just left out some other important factors to make that comparison. Though the M-Series is a level below the P-Series (I saw both before making my initial purchase), I've seen enough to chime in with my two cents, just like you did.

While I know a number of factors can affect what's going on with audio and video, I repeatedly experienced the audio and video drops with my Xbox One S when HDR was enabled. Just because Vizio claims it can do Dolby Vision and HDR10 doesn't mean they do both well, and there a whole owners thread of frustrated people on AVS complaining about the same issues I alluded to. That said, my KS8000 was plugged into the same environment and everything is working without a hitch.

Regarding the DV vs HDR10 thing, you can't dispute that HDR 10 is more supported right now. Whether it's 4K Physical media, gaming consoles, streaming platforms, HDR10 has higher penetration, so much so that Vizio was forced to pivot and throw in the feature after the fact

On input lag for gaming, 21ms vs 63 ms input lag is a big deal. When HDR gaming fully works on the P-Series, hopefully Vizio can cut that lag down as I can't imagine playing a twitch shooter with that level of delay.

Never meant to imply you're a Samsung hater, and it's not fair to paint me as someone with an axe to grind with Vizio. Though I sent back the M70-D3, I still have and very much enjoy their M70-C3 and a 40 inch soundbar in my living room. You thing you're 100% on it how much nicer FALD is than Edge lighting. I had to apply some bias lighting to offset that look.

 

[Psxdad]

Can you still daisy chain another switch with the one connect box that comes with the KS8000? If so any recommendations?

 

[Weevilone]

The reason why I singled out your reply isn't because you were wrong, you just left out some other important factors to make that comparison. Though the M-Series is a level below the P-Series (I saw both before making my initial purchase), I've seen enough to chime in with my two cents, just like you did.

While I know a number of factors can affect what's going on with audio and video, I repeatedly experienced the audio and video drops with my Xbox One S when HDR was enabled. Just because Vizio claims it can do Dolby Vision and HDR10 doesn't mean they do both well, and there a whole owners thread of frustrated people on AVS complaining about the same issues I alluded to. That said, my KS8000 was plugged into the same environment and everything is working without a hitch.

Regarding the DV vs HDR10 thing, you can't dispute that HDR 10 is more supported right now. Whether it's 4K Physical media, gaming consoles, streaming platforms, HDR10 has higher penetration, so much so that Vizio was forced to pivot and throw in the feature after the fact

On input lag for gaming, 21ms vs 63 ms input lag is a big deal. When HDR gaming fully works on the P-Series, hopefully Vizio can cut that lag down as I can't imagine playing a twitch shooter with that level of delay.

Never meant to imply you're a Samsung hater, and it's not fair to paint me as someone with an axe to grind with Vizio. Though I sent back the M70-D3, I still have and very much enjoy their M70-C3 and a 40 inch soundbar in my living room. You thing you're 100% on it how much nicer FALD is than Edge lighting. I had to apply some bias lighting to offset that look.

There will always be more to the story when it comes to TVs. There are a frightening number of people an AVS having motion problems with the KS8000, and returning them for this reason. Just because it doesn't get a mention in your comparison doesn't mean everyone should assume it doesn't exist. People simply need to do their own investigations. I would personally choose the Vizio for the FALD alone, but we all have different priorities.

 

[Chrono321]

German-GAF or Euro-GAF:

http://www.ibood.com/de/de/

LG OLED TV 55EG960V for 1999 € - last year's model though...

Only today!!!

 

[holygeesus]

German-GAF or Euro-GAF:

http://www.ibood.com/de/de/

LG OLED TV 55EG960V for 1999 € - last year's model though...

Only today!!!

The B6 isn't much more than that is it? I'd save a few extra Euro then buy that.

 

[Chrono321]

The B6 isn't much more than that is it? I'd save a few extra Euro then buy that.

Around 500 Euros more, not counting shady dealers...

 

[chifanpoe]

The B6 only achieves 600 lines of motion resolution when you engage the De-Blur setting to 10. Otherwise it only has 300 lines of motion resolution. The old Panasonic plasmas could resolve all 1080 lines of motion resolution so you may see a bit of difference.

This de-blue setting shouldn't introduce the soap opera affect though. When you engage the de-judder along with it, then you get the soap opera look.

I went from a VT50 to a B6 a few weeks ago. With De-Blur user setting at 10 I don't notice any differences in real content with motion. The 2016 OLEDs are by far a much better TV.

 

[Kyoufu]

I went from a VT50 to a B6 a few weeks ago. With De-Blur user setting at 10 I don't notice any differences in real content with motion. The 2016 OLEDs are by far a much better TV.

I still haven't seen any motion issues or blurriness on my E6 to make me think that I've downgraded from my plasma in terms of motion resolution.

I guess I'll take their word for it but to me, everything look great coming from a plasma.

 

[dallow_bg]

Honestly, most people don't notice the drop in motion resolution.

 

[panty]

So I might've ordered LG's 65UH950V. It was priced relatively cheap so I dunno if it was an error. We'll see.

I measured and that's a freaking huge tv.

Anyone familiar with it?

Read about the TV and for what it costs it's not worth it. I ordered a Philips 65PUS7601 instead. 4K HDR FALD display, can't wait.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

I went from a VT50 to a B6 a few weeks ago. With De-Blur user setting at 10 I don't notice any differences in real content with motion. The 2016 OLEDs are by far a much better TV.

Thank god. My B6 just got delivered an hour ago. The next 4 hours at work are going to be the longest of my life. Cant wait and thanks for the feedback. Im excited to get home and set it up. Any recommendations for set up.. like things that took you a while to figure out? do I have to set the tv to a specific setting for HDR for example?

 

[Yukstin]

I still haven't seen any motion issues or blurriness on my E6 to make me think that I've downgraded from my plasma in terms of motion resolution.

I guess I'll take their word for it but to me, everything look great coming from a plasma.

If anything OLED actually exposes poor quality sources like DirecTV. Some DirecTV channels are great, some have very bad compression. This makes me want to push towards streaming everything as the image quality is much better.

 

[Yukstin]

Thank god. My B6 just got delivered an hour ago. The next 4 hours at work are going to be the longest of my life. Cant wait and thanks for the feedback. Im excited to get home and set it up. Any recommendations for set up.. like things that took you a while to figure out? do I have to set the tv to a specific setting for HDR for example?

I used RTings settings as a base for dialing in the image to my liking. I use ISF bright room for for all SDR content. However when the TV detects an HDR source, it switches settings automatically to HDR mode. You'll then need to dial in HDR settings separately as well since they are a completely different set of settings.

A word about the built in apps on the TV. I have had some mixed results image quality wise vs. the xbox S. I almost prefer using the xbox right now as I also had some ARC issues between the TV and my receiver. Depending on your AV receiver if you have one, you may want to avoid using HDMI link and ARC.

 

[nbnt]

nvm

 

[Bill Rizer]

I've been severely underwhelmed by the OLED B6 I bought last week. Panel uniformity is ok this time, but:

- after just a week a pixel is already gone, no thing can resurrect it, not even the hour-long manual clean panel feature. I've already experienced this with last year eg910 (five different panels, each one with several dying pixels) and I can't just ignore the fact.

- scaler is utter rubbish and picture processing in general is bad. 1080p is very soft and blurry and you have to crank up sharpness control to achieve a decent level of crispness but you get artifacts and a noticeable fake picture. 720p (WiiU games) is unwatchable, I've never seen colors that literally overrun borders of on screen elements and such a heavy ringing (sort of halo artifact inherent to scaling around everything that moves on screen) not even on 10 years ago tvs. My Toshiba LCD from 2006 had a Faroudja chipset that trounces this amateurish processing from LG.

I have tried other 4K tvs and I know as a fact that scaling problem is not inherent to all of them. Last one I returned (maybe foolishly) a Panasonic dx780 that produced a breathtakingly detailed and at the same time smooth picture at 720p, 1080i/p and even a pleasing picture at 480p. Mario 3D World was such compact and color gradation so smooth that almost looked as 1080p, where as Mario on the B6 was often an indistinguishable stain of colors. 1080p looked almost 4K on the Panasonic, and totally lacking focus on the B6.

Video content on Netflix in HD (not 4K), looks very very bad also on the B6 because picture is incredibly grainy and noisy. Unwatchable.

Fact is I had tried the 2015 ef950 and it was undoubtably better in every respect than this B6, looking good even with Dvds and very good with blurays.

Now, I am curious to see newer Oleds coming from other manufacturers, especially Panasonic, most of all I hope they can get rid of the damn pixel death rate.

 

[Brhoom]

I've been severely underwhelmed by the OLED B6 I bought last week. Panel uniformity is ok this time, but:

- after just a week a pixel is already gone, no thing can resurrect it, not even the hour-long manual clean panel feature. I've already experienced this with last year eg910 (five different panels, each one with several dying pixels) and I can't just ignore the fact.

- scaler is utter rubbish and picture processing in general is bad. 1080p is very soft and blurry and you have to crank up sharpness control to achieve a decent level of crispness but you get artifacts and a noticeable fake picture. 720p (WiiU games) is unwatchable, I've never seen colors that literally overrun borders of on screen elements and such a heavy ringing (sort of halo artifact inherent to scaling around everything that moves on screen) not even on 10 years ago tvs. My Toshiba LCD from 2006 had a Faroudja chipset that trounces this amateurish processing from LG.

I have tried other 4K tvs and I know as a fact that scaling problem is not inherent to all of them. Last one I returned (maybe foolishly) a Panasonic dx780 that produced a breathtakingly detailed and at the same time smooth picture at 720p, 1080i/p and even a pleasing picture at 480p. Mario 3D World was such compact and color gradation so smooth that almost looked as 1080p, where as Mario on the B6 was often an indistinguishable stain of colors. 1080p looked almost 4K on the Panasonic, and totally lacking focus on the B6.

Video content on Netflix in HD (not 4K), looks very very bad also on the B6 because picture is incredibly grainy and noisy. Unwatchable.

Fact is I had tried the 2015 ef950 and it was undoubtably better in every respect than this B6, looking good even with Dvds and very good with blurays.

Now, I am curious to see newer Oleds coming from other manufacturers, especially Panasonic, most of all I hope they can get rid of the damn pixel death rate.

Oh dear. I hope Philips' version can be better.

 

[Anarion07]

snip

Sounds like you got a faulty device or something? Haven't seen a single review mentioning stuff like that.

 

[Bill Rizer]

Sounds like you got a faulty device or something? Haven't seen a single review mentioning stuff like that.

Go and read hdfever.fr review of E6. There is also photographic evidence of how bad the scaler is. I didn't want to believe until I tried by myself. It's worse than you can think of.

Furthermore, majority of people on avforums/avsforum complains about how noisy is the picture especially in dark scenes. And it is not true the story of Oled resolving darkest shades compared to LCD and thus exposing compression artifacts: it's LG rubbish processing, now I tried and I know, for me it is enough.

 

[Theonik]

With LG being the sole supplier of these OLED panels I wouldn't keep my hopes up. At most you get better processing but that's it.

 

[Kyoufu]

Sounds like you got a bad panel. I mean, for one, there shouldn't be any dead pixels.

And graininess will depend on the source material. I've only been annoyed by it on Netflix streams of Breaking Bad and Suits.

 

[Yappadappadu]

Go and read hdfever.fr review of E6. There is also photographic evidence of how bad the scaler is. I didn't want to believe until I tried by myself. It's worse than you can think of.

Didn't hdfever rectifiy their review regading the scaling part after changing some setting or something?

Furthermore, majority of people on avforums/avsforum complains about how noisy is the picture especially in dark scenes. And it is not true the story of Oled resolving darkest shades compared to LCD and thus exposing compression artifacts: it's LG rubbish processing, now I tried and I know, for me it is enough.

Try the Sony ZD9/Z9D?

 

[spwolf]

So apperantly, ZD9 has really low lag of 27ms measured in 4k and HDR:
https://hdtvpolska.com/sony-zd9-kd-65zd9-test-flagowy-telewizor-ultra-hd-z-direct-led-i-hdr/

You can use google translator to read the test or just gaming part.

 

[sector4]

So apperantly, ZD9 has really low lag of 27ms measured in 4k and HDR:
https://hdtvpolska.com/sony-zd9-kd-65zd9-test-flagowy-telewizor-ultra-hd-z-direct-led-i-hdr/

You can use google translator to read the test or just gaming part.

It felt really good when I tried it out, but every other report has it around 45ms, so I'm not entirely sure. Edit: Oh wow.... so because the XB1 does upscaling inside the box and outputs a 4K signal, the TV probably doesn't do any scaling and as such less processing = less lag, and you get around 27ms... that's damn good.....

Also for anyone in Australia, Sony has dropped the price of the Z9D by 20% only weeks after it's release here! So now you can grab it for $5600! I'm pretty much ready to pull the trigger at that price. I can't see it dropping too much more before December, as the X940D is still at $7.5k and has been for months.

For anyone else after a new TV here, JB HiFi have 20% nearly every TV for today only. High end highlights include the E6 OLED for $6398 and the Panasonic DX900 for $3198 (such a steal for the Panny).

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

I've been severely underwhelmed by the OLED B6 I bought last week. Panel uniformity is ok this time, but:

- after just a week a pixel is already gone, no thing can resurrect it, not even the hour-long manual clean panel feature. I've already experienced this with last year eg910 (five different panels, each one with several dying pixels) and I can't just ignore the fact.

- scaler is utter rubbish and picture processing in general is bad. 1080p is very soft and blurry and you have to crank up sharpness control to achieve a decent level of crispness but you get artifacts and a noticeable fake picture. 720p (WiiU games) is unwatchable, I've never seen colors that literally overrun borders of on screen elements and such a heavy ringing (sort of halo artifact inherent to scaling around everything that moves on screen) not even on 10 years ago tvs. My Toshiba LCD from 2006 had a Faroudja chipset that trounces this amateurish processing from LG.

I have tried other 4K tvs and I know as a fact that scaling problem is not inherent to all of them. Last one I returned (maybe foolishly) a Panasonic dx780 that produced a breathtakingly detailed and at the same time smooth picture at 720p, 1080i/p and even a pleasing picture at 480p. Mario 3D World was such compact and color gradation so smooth that almost looked as 1080p, where as Mario on the B6 was often an indistinguishable stain of colors. 1080p looked almost 4K on the Panasonic, and totally lacking focus on the B6.

Video content on Netflix in HD (not 4K), looks very very bad also on the B6 because picture is incredibly grainy and noisy. Unwatchable.

Fact is I had tried the 2015 ef950 and it was undoubtably better in every respect than this B6, looking good even with Dvds and very good with blurays.

Now, I am curious to see newer Oleds coming from other manufacturers, especially Panasonic, most of all I hope they can get rid of the damn pixel death rate.

Oh no please no.

My next TV was going to be an LG OLED in March-May, now im not so sure.

After reading up a bit about the Panasonic prototype that's been going around i think i may go with that instead if it's going to be at least 65" minimum.

 

[x3sphere]

Oh no please no.

My next TV was going to be an LG OLED in March-May, now im not so sure.

Well, I don't agree with most of what he has said, although I have a C6. Actually been playing a bunch of Wii U games lately and they look great on it.

1080P streams on Netflix have never really looked good, at least in comparison to a Blu-ray. I've always been able to notice compression artifacts and noise in them regardless of the TV used.

 

[ukas]

Well, I don't agree with most of what he has said, although I have a C6. Actually been playing a bunch of Wii U games lately and they look great on it.

1080P streams on Netflix have never really looked good, at least in comparison to a Blu-ray. I've always been able to notice compression artifacts and noise in them regardless of the TV used.

Sounds like a bum panel to me.

 

[Rbk_3]

As a former owner of the 2016 M70-D3 and a current owner of a KS8000, I couldn't disagree more on your assessment; it's more complicated than what you're painting.

One, Vizio's UI is nonexistent while Samsung has one of the best integrated user interfaces out there. My KS8000 can read and label all the inputs, integrate with my DirecTV receiver so I get show previews, and a really slick universal remote that has voice control built into the remote. Vizio does the whole GoogleCast approach which means you need to beam content from other devices instead of using a built in app, not a fan of having to search for a tablet to control what I'm watching.

Two, Vizio's 2016 line has a bunch of problems with various 4K HDR sources. My M70 would routinely have video and audio dropouts, and Vizio keeps releasing software patches that create new problems. As of 10 days ago, the M Series line couldn't show 4K HDR movies or HDR gaming from the Xbox One S, which is unbelievable.

Three, speaking of being future proof, Samsung is much better positioned for that because of their One Connect platform, allowing owners to upgrade their HDMI ports to support future standards. Dolby Vision may be a superior HDR format, but HDR10 has wider adoption and appears to be positioned to win the format war since its free, whereas Dolby Vision requires dedicated hardware and licensing fees. Also, Samsung has a better track record of continuing to support their sets. I have a 2015 M-Series that didn't get much software support in new apps. On the flip-side, Samsung pushed firmware to 2015 sets to support HDR when they didn't have to do that.

Four, input lag on Vizio HDR content is not "slightly higher", it's 3x higher than what Samsung has accomplished on the KS8000. I know the Vizio CTO is on record tying to find ways to reduce input lag, but it is what it right now.

Don't get me wrong, Vizio is not a bad brand, but I have zero confidence in their ability to get their software situation together after going thru 3 firmware updates on my 2016 M Series. To their credit, Vizio issued me a full refund for the set I bought after owning it for 4 months based on my dissatisfaction.

As someone that has had the opportunity to own both sets this year, Samsung's KS8000 is just an all-around, more polished and elegantly designed set, from top to bottom.

I have owned the M, P and KS8000 and you're bang on in your assesmemt. KS8000 is simply a better product.

 

[PeterVenkman]

I've been severely underwhelmed by the OLED B6 I bought last week. Panel uniformity is ok this time, but:

- after just a week a pixel is already gone, no thing can resurrect it, not even the hour-long manual clean panel feature. I've already experienced this with last year eg910 (five different panels, each one with several dying pixels) and I can't just ignore the fact.

- scaler is utter rubbish and picture processing in general is bad. 1080p is very soft and blurry and you have to crank up sharpness control to achieve a decent level of crispness but you get artifacts and a noticeable fake picture. 720p (WiiU games) is unwatchable, I've never seen colors that literally overrun borders of on screen elements and such a heavy ringing (sort of halo artifact inherent to scaling around everything that moves on screen) not even on 10 years ago tvs. My Toshiba LCD from 2006 had a Faroudja chipset that trounces this amateurish processing from LG.

I have tried other 4K tvs and I know as a fact that scaling problem is not inherent to all of them. Last one I returned (maybe foolishly) a Panasonic dx780 that produced a breathtakingly detailed and at the same time smooth picture at 720p, 1080i/p and even a pleasing picture at 480p. Mario 3D World was such compact and color gradation so smooth that almost looked as 1080p, where as Mario on the B6 was often an indistinguishable stain of colors. 1080p looked almost 4K on the Panasonic, and totally lacking focus on the B6.

Video content on Netflix in HD (not 4K), looks very very bad also on the B6 because picture is incredibly grainy and noisy. Unwatchable.

Fact is I had tried the 2015 ef950 and it was undoubtably better in every respect than this B6, looking good even with Dvds and very good with blurays.

Now, I am curious to see newer Oleds coming from other manufacturers, especially Panasonic, most of all I hope they can get rid of the damn pixel death rate.

Did you get to return your b6 for a new one because of the dead pixel? I had mine through amazon and they took mine back no questions asked.

*an exchange that is - but I could've returned it.

 

[jstevenson]

Oh no please no.

My next TV was going to be an LG OLED in March-May, now im not so sure.

After reading up a bit about the Panasonic prototype that's been going around i think i may go with that instead if it's going to be at least 65" minimum.

take it with a grain of salt a bit.

For one - I'm a picture quality snob, but I'm also not going to look for dead pixels. There's millions of them, it could happen, and it probably will happen, and I probably won't ever notice unless I look for it. This is also why people shouldn't go hunting for uniformity issues on grayscale slides.

Two - The LG scaler isn't the best scaler, that's for sure. Make sure your cable source is outputting 1080p, or get an AVR that does good 4k scaling, etc. Chances are your Xbox, PS4 Pro, and UHD player will all send pure 2160p so you'll be mostly set on that front. This might fly against the normal advice for TVs (let the TV scaler do the work) but in this case, your boxes may provide better scaling.

I think the TV scales 1080p perfectly fine though (this is an easy scaling job). I noticed a decent improvement in picture quality when I locked my TiVo to 1080p output instead of just passing through the channel at whatever resolution.

 

[GeoNeo]

So apperantly, ZD9 has really low lag of 27ms measured in 4k and HDR:
https://hdtvpolska.com/sony-zd9-kd-65zd9-test-flagowy-telewizor-ultra-hd-z-direct-led-i-hdr/

You can use google translator to read the test or just gaming part.

I wish they had gone into detail how they tested the input lag of 4K HDR signal in graphics preset. If it is indeed 27ms that is really impressive seeing as the IQ would wipe the floor with other LCD TV's.

 

[Kyoufu]

It felt really good when I tried it out, but every other report has it around 45ms, so I'm not entirely sure. Edit: Oh wow.... so because the XB1 does upscaling inside the box and outputs a 4K signal, the TV probably doesn't do any scaling and as such less processing = less lag, and you get around 27ms... that's damn good.....

Does that apply to other TVs as well? Will the OLED TVs produce less lag when running PS4 Pro since the console will handle the upscaling?

 

[sector4]

Does that apply to other TVs as well? Will the OLED TVs produce less lag when running PS4 Pro since the console will handle the upscaling?

Impossible to know without proper testing, that was just a hypothesis on my behalf, but the less processing the TV has to do, the lower input lag should be (as seen when you turn off other features like Motion Enhancing etc) so it should be entirely possible when the TV isn't having to scale from 1080p that input lag could drop.

 

[Kyoufu]

Impossible to know without proper testing, that was just a hypothesis on my behalf, but the less processing the TV has to do, the lower input lag should be (as seen when you turn off other features like Motion Enhancing etc) so it should be entirely possible when the TV isn't having to scale from 1080p that input lag could drop.

I guess we'll find out on the 10th!

 

[farmerboy]

Also for anyone in Australia, Sony has dropped the price of the Z9D by 20% only weeks after it's release here! So now you can grab it for $5600! High end highlights include the E6 OLED for $6398 and the Panasonic DX900 for $3198 (such a steal for the Panny).

Sector, I think me and you ought to be mates. Thanks for this info and you got no idea how tempting that panny is at that price.

Thats a lotta tv for 3 grand.

 

[sector4]

I guess we'll find out on the 10th!

Is that when the OLEDs get the HDR game mode update? Or just when the PS4 Pro releases?

Sector, I think me and you ought to be mates. Thanks for this info and you got no idea how tempting that panny is at that price.

Thats a lotta tv for 3 grand.

Not a problem at all farmerboy! Movie at my place? haha! I think in my excitement I forgot to mention those other two prices come from JB HiFi, they're also doing the Z9D at 20% if you'd rather go through them rather than Sony directly.

Tell me about it... so much TV for $3k there... Very, very tempting. I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the Z9D though.. but the Panny is so cheap! Gah! haha! It's a good problem to have

Good luck with your decision, it's not an easy one! haha!

 

[farmerboy]

Not a problem at all farmerboy! Movie at my place? haha! I think in my excitement I forgot to mention those other two prices come from JB HiFi, they're also doing the Z9D at 20% if you'd rather go through them rather than Sony directly.

Tell me about it... so much TV for $3k there... Very, very tempting. I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the Z9D though.. but the Panny is so cheap! Gah! haha! It's a good problem to have

Good luck with your decision, it's not an easy one! haha!

Always said 5000 grand was the limit. So with z9 we're there (almost lol)

With the panny I've only ever been worried about this streaking problem (the dark object on light background thing) and how well games look/perform on it.

Overall, I've been a bit hesitant to buy anything because of HDR and how the format seems a little unsettled.

Plus I can be an undecisive bastard sometimes.

 

[Kyoufu]

Is that when the OLEDs get the HDR game mode update? Or just when the PS4 Pro releases?

Pro. Looking forward to testing everything.

 

[sector4]

I did it haha, I pulled the trigger on the Z9D! Expect some more in depth impressions once I move into my apartment and get it set up and can do some proper in home testing, and then again once I have it professionally calibrated a few weeks later. Thanks to everyone who helped me with the decision especially GeoNeo and holygeesus, who urged me to go and check them out in store and make the decision based on what I saw. I am very glad I did that, and can't wait to get this thing home and set up.

Always said 5000 grand was the limit. So with z9 we're there (almost lol)

With the panny I've only ever been worried about this streaking problem (the dark object on light background thing) and how well games look/perform on it.

Overall, I've been a bit hesitant to buy anything because of HDR and how the format seems a little unsettled.

Plus I can be an undecisive bastard sometimes.

Oh man so close! If it's dropped this low, this quickly, I have a feeling you'll be buying sooner rather than later. I wouldn't be surprised if it drops below $5k before Christmas! Keep in mind the Panasonic was $5496 mere months ago, and today it's $3,198. if following these TVs has taught me anything it's that prices drop FAST.

Pro. Looking forward to testing everything.

Awesome dude, me too! Can't wait to see what Uncharted, Last of Us and Tomb Raider look like on the Z9D now.

 

[farmerboy]

Your impressions would be great! Also, I hope jstevenson gives us his as well if he gets the chance to have a look.

 

[Weevilone]

So the Vizio P50-C1 handling of DIRECTV, particularly hockey... it's killing it for me.

This display is brilliant for games and movies, but boy is it bad when its bad.

 

[Bill Rizer]

Didn't hdfever rectifiy their review regading the scaling part after changing some setting or something?


Try the Sony ZD9/Z9D?

Yeah, apparently they said disabling the pixel orbiter final result was better, but actually that's not the case. Sony ZD9? It's exactly where I'm going, but at this point I'll wait for CES and then decide. I've seen the Sony in the flesh and looks great, picture is natural and detailed. Too bad it's still a bit expensive here.

Did you get to return your b6 for a new one because of the dead pixel? I had mine through amazon and they took mine back no questions asked.

*an exchange that is - but I could've returned it.

No, I could but I didn't want another one. If I want Oled, I wait for Panasonic or any other manufacturer with a proven knowhow in picture processing.

take it with a grain of salt a bit.

For one - I'm a picture quality snob, but I'm also not going to look for dead pixels. There's millions of them, it could happen, and it probably will happen, and I probably won't ever notice unless I look for it. This is also why people shouldn't go hunting for uniformity issues on grayscale slides.

Two - The LG scaler isn't the best scaler, that's for sure. Make sure your cable source is outputting 1080p, or get an AVR that does good 4k scaling, etc. Chances are your Xbox, PS4 Pro, and UHD player will all send pure 2160p so you'll be mostly set on that front. This might fly against the normal advice for TVs (let the TV scaler do the work) but in this case, your boxes may provide better scaling.

I think the TV scales 1080p perfectly fine though (this is an easy scaling job). I noticed a decent improvement in picture quality when I locked my TiVo to 1080p output instead of just passing through the channel at whatever resolution.

Well, if you can ignore dead pixels, I envy you. I just can't accept it as part of a display technology. What is worse, on these LG Oleds they die randomly at any point in time, I was just lucky my first one died within return period of the tv or I was fucked. As I said, I experienced this nightmare with eg910 where after 3 panel swap and 2 whole tv swap I finally sold the set because every one of them developed several dead pixels.

On this B6, it's a white subpixel that won't turn on, put in center of the screen, so on any light background you see this black dot, nice isn't it?

I don't know if it's part of the display tech, or again bad electronics from LG that could be resolved from other manufacturers, fact is the problem is there and is very very annoying.

 

[x3sphere]

Well, if you can ignore dead pixels, I envy you. I just can't accept it as part of a display technology. What is worse, on these LG Oleds they die randomly at any point in time, I was just lucky my first one died within return period of the tv or I was fucked. As I said, I experienced this nightmare with eg910 where after 3 panel swap and 2 whole tv swap I finally sold the set because every one of them developed several dead pixels.

On this B6, it's a white subpixel that won't turn on, put in center of the screen, so on any light background you see this black dot, nice isn't it?

I don't know if it's part of the display tech, or again bad electronics from LG that could be resolved from other manufacturers, fact is the problem is there and is very very annoying.

I have yet to experience on any pixels going dead on C6 or even my EC9300 that's now almost 2 years old. The last LCD I bought, a Samsung HU8550, had to be exchanged twice for dead pixels. It's luck of the draw in my opinion.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Received my B6 yesterday and here are my initial impressions: first of all, I'm coming from a Panny ST60 so my standards are pretty high plus I used to do home theater installations and Calibrations (4 years ago, so im not a professional anymore). First thing I will say is that I like subtlety in details and color and a warm overall picture. The B6 is anything but subtle out of the box. It bright as hell, motion interpolation is on, and colors and contrast are jacked up to hell. With that said, you can tell that the range is there and with a calibration you can squeeze more out of it than any other TV ive ever seen. After playing with it for about 2 hours I got my Directv picture to look gorgeous. The balance was still a little off tho, seems like it might need a little more red, but I'll leave that to a pro at this point when I get it calibrated in a month or so. I also tried Netflix 4K and tried some dolby vision content. Out of the box Dolby Vision has the same problem, its just too bright, too colorful, and not enough subtlety. It's like a punch to the eyes and I didn't have time to change the settings to make it look better. I saw someone in a post above complaining about all the noise in the Netflix 4k picture and I can confirm that this is true, problem is that he blamed it on the TV, which i can tell you is not the case. Yes, there are TVs with better scalers especially the new Sonys, but the difference is not dramatic. My best friend has a KS8000 and has the same issue (huge piece of advice, TURN OFF the edge enhancement on the B6. It's terrible). Unfortunately 4k just happens to bring out all the digital noise and unless you stream higher quality content you're just going to have to deal with it. I can confirm this because I tried using Vudu and the picture was significantly better. I also connected my PC and tried 4K Battlefield 1, Abzu, and Gears of war and the 4K looked perfect. I will warn those coming off plasma, the TV may feel overly bright and its going to take me some time to get used to. Thats all for now, I'll really get to dig into it this weekend while I'm off work.

 

[Kyoufu]

New firmware released for the E6 OLED, installing it right now.

I wonder if this is for HDR in Game mode? Going to test it once it's done.

 

[guitarguy316]

take it with a grain of salt a bit.

For one - I'm a picture quality snob, but I'm also not going to look for dead pixels. There's millions of them, it could happen, and it probably will happen, and I probably won't ever notice unless I look for it. This is also why people shouldn't go hunting for uniformity issues on grayscale slides.

Two - The LG scaler isn't the best scaler, that's for sure. Make sure your cable source is outputting 1080p, or get an AVR that does good 4k scaling, etc. Chances are your Xbox, PS4 Pro, and UHD player will all send pure 2160p so you'll be mostly set on that front. This might fly against the normal advice for TVs (let the TV scaler do the work) but in this case, your boxes may provide better scaling.

I think the TV scales 1080p perfectly fine though (this is an easy scaling job). I noticed a decent improvement in picture quality when I locked my TiVo to 1080p output instead of just passing through the channel at whatever resolution.

I have Directv and unfortunately you can't set output to 1080p for all content. I did find I think 1080i looks better than 720p channels on the E6.

Any recommendations for a good avr with scaling chip to 4K?

 

[b0bbyJ03]

New firmware released for the E6 OLED, installing it right now.

I wonder if this is for HDR in Game mode? Going to test it once it's done.

nice! is it just for the E6? or all the 2016 OLEDs?

 

[Yukstin]

So the Vizio P50-C1 handling of DIRECTV, particularly hockey... it's killing it for me.

This display is brilliant for games and movies, but boy is it bad when its bad.

are you using it with a directv box or the directv ready feature? I'm running into issues where some channels display great and some are hot garbage.