StarSketch
Banned
Ffffff goddamn it.
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Persona Mafia |OT| Memento Mori
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I presume he died investigating scum.
flatearthpandas
Member
Explain in detail.
Flavor is flavor.
I could choose between me or Sorian. Ty4on wasn't even on an option. I choose myself. Sums up that part of the story. The other part:
I was the guest in Sorian's gossip chat by the way. He gave me a load of reads/thoughts he said he wanted me to pass on to you if he fell first. He also made a deal with me, I give him the target list, before I choose, to even prove I have the power and he'd have my back the next day. I didn't even have the heart to tell him I was going to chose myself.
StarSketch
Banned
Theory a)
Style legit tried to kill Ty4on and Ty4on hit scum, thus dying.
This begs the question of why Style was trying to kill Ty4on in the first place.
Theory b)
Style is scum and was checked by Ty4on, thus killing him.
People were suspicious of Style yesterday, so checking him makes sense.
Style legit tried to kill Ty4on and Ty4on hit scum, thus dying.
This begs the question of why Style was trying to kill Ty4on in the first place.
Theory b)
Style is scum and was checked by Ty4on, thus killing him.
People were suspicious of Style yesterday, so checking him makes sense.
I wouldn't even believe myself either, so I understand.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Style wtf did you do...
You realize we're probably going to have to lunch you. I'm guessing my fear that you were scum scum had given up with and wanted to at least let use your poerr, whatever it is, once, is probably what happened
In any case, I have my notes at home, but iirc exmachina64 is cleared barring a exmachina 64 + planing +theexodu5 scum team
Iirc, verelios bears looking into, there was some interesting stuff about t him
You realize we're probably going to have to lunch you. I'm guessing my fear that you were scum scum had given up with and wanted to at least let use your poerr, whatever it is, once, is probably what happened
In any case, I have my notes at home, but iirc exmachina64 is cleared barring a exmachina 64 + planing +theexodu5 scum team
Iirc, verelios bears looking into, there was some interesting stuff about t him
flatearthpandas
Member
Well go on then. What are you waiting for?
Hyperactivity
Banned
Lmao dude you choose Dorian there 100% of the time, because you're highly suspected scum
Before we quick majority style though, I want at least 2 or 3 days to pass, alright?!
Hyperactivity
Banned
Him telling us doesn't even mean that much, it could mean another scum buddy was invited
But still tell us
But still tell us
StarSketch
Banned
Oh. I was ninjaed. Uh.... guess it's only theory B) then.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Absolute rubbish.
And even if you were somehow telling the truth, letting our best player die to save your skin is acting against the best interest of the town.
My vote stays on you thru day two. Absolutely nothing changes that.
I don't believe you at all. I even did a post saying why you had to choose the other player before saving yourself.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Easy o the trigger finger everybody, I know I noticed some interesting stuff about other players and I want the day to be able to ek through them
I'm not allowed to copy and paste, so give me a moment to write it in my own words:
- Thinks the scums have a Framer because of a slip up Exodus made.
- Agreed with me on SS' inactivity not having anything to do with her role
- Thought it was weird Exodus scum read 11037 then flipped mid game because there hadn't been any reason to
- Exmachina is cleared because he was after Exodus early and Sorian said they didn't want to set up a scum v scum lynch on D1
- Town reads Franco because of Exodus' read on him
- Thinks Ty4on was scum because Exodus was on Rynam's case, but flipped after the replacement, meaning Exo was trying to get rid of an inactive scum
- Still iffy on Vanguard
- Thought Verelios and Flux behaviour near the deadline was odd, but too obvious to be scum read
We don't need to rush. We have 4 days before days end so we can discuss more topics.
Except Style my current sum list is: 11037, Vanguard and StarSketch.
Hyperactivity
Banned
II-Vanguard-II
Member
Also very convenient that the only person that could actually could prove your claims is dead. not to mention ty4lon is also dead and i'm fairly certain he was investigating you last night and that's what killed him.
He wouldn't even be able to prove my claim in hindsight because I wasn't informed about Ty4on.
Who's Dorian and what do you mean by skip up.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Hold up
Look thru ugh ty4on's read to see who he might investigate, cause f he had the art of role he did he would probably either signal it somehow or so nothing
We lynched a scum day 1, there is a wealth of info to be had guys! Go back and read through day 1
Haha...
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...I really do suck at this. Uh, well at least I voted for the right guy at the last minute, right?
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Two posts for TheExodu5's complete reads:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224845098&postcount=592
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224930346&postcount=908
I'm not great at reading other people, obviously. Looking back, it seems that these were what sealed the deal for TheExodu5:
1. A general vibe of dishonesty that people like flatearthpandas picked up.
2. The (mis)use of the term "bus," which I just dismissed as semantics but actually turned out to be extremely important.
3. His insistence on lynching inactives and just offing people, in general.
I didn't like Hyperactivity's constant vote shifting at the end of D1. Chaos tends to happen a lot during those moments as opinions quickly shift, but he was the only one trying to bring it this time.
Anyways, going back to read up what I missed while GAF on desktop imploded.
I was pretty certain that Sorian was town after the TheExodu5 lynch, so it's a shame he died. Guess it was gonna happen sooner than later.
...I really do suck at this. Uh, well at least I voted for the right guy at the last minute, right?
Two posts for TheExodu5's complete reads:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224845098&postcount=592
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224930346&postcount=908
I'm not great at reading other people, obviously. Looking back, it seems that these were what sealed the deal for TheExodu5:
1. A general vibe of dishonesty that people like flatearthpandas picked up.
2. The (mis)use of the term "bus," which I just dismissed as semantics but actually turned out to be extremely important.
3. His insistence on lynching inactives and just offing people, in general.
I didn't like Hyperactivity's constant vote shifting at the end of D1. Chaos tends to happen a lot during those moments as opinions quickly shift, but he was the only one trying to bring it this time.
Anyways, going back to read up what I missed while GAF on desktop imploded.
I was pretty certain that Sorian was town after the TheExodu5 lynch, so it's a shame he died. Guess it was gonna happen sooner than later.
Oh, nvm. I realise what you mean about this. I don't have the link to Exodus' post anymore since the gossip chat is closed and I'm commenting from backups, but in one of his posts Exodus plays with the idea that a cop should investigate Sorian as a suspect. This made Sorian raise an eyebrow and now that Exo flipped scum he thinks that scums have a framer because they wanted to frame Sorian as scum.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Or you're scum and you're hoping to survive the day, so that your "framer" theory "explains" why a cop would read you as scum.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Flux, I really can't right now
I vote shifted because both of them were suspects for me, and it forced you andd verelios to vote, so I'm glad I did it
I vote shifted because both of them were suspects for me, and it forced you andd verelios to vote, so I'm glad I did it
Nice try, but I wouldn't even know what a framer is.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Yes, because your friends in scum chat wouldn't tell you, right?
Would scums even bother helping someone in this situation.
If you don't believe I was in the gossip chat check Sorian's posts before the deadline he dropped hints to all of you that me and him were going to spend quality time together.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Style could be scum and have been invited
These are not contradiction s style
These are not contradiction s style
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Him linking to you means nothing. His role PM doesn't say he can only link with townies.
As far as I'm concerned, there are two possibilities:
1) You're scum.
2) You're town (or some neutral role) and acted in the absolute worst interest of the town by choosing to let our best player die.
Either way, you need to be lynched. The fact that day two has extended beyond ten posts in a row that all say "Vote: Style" is astounding.
Why would we do that? We have 4 days. We should use the time to discuss other matters.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Relax. There's no denying end-of-day constant vote shifting is suspiciousor at least notableand there's no reason for me to not point it out. All you have to do is explain yourself.
I think Style should die.
What's done it's done. We will lynch Styles but there's no need to rush it.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Not to mention Ty4on, who I still assert died because he investigated Style (after his big PR claim).
Two townies dead in one night, and all we got for it was Style either lying to us or saving his own neck in exchange for Sorian.
Two townies dead in one night, and all we got for it was Style either lying to us or saving his own neck in exchange for Sorian.
Damn, went from a good day end to an awful night result. Style is flailing and doomed to die. Let's not let his antics distract us too much. We need to use most if not all of this day phase discussing more players. I still think we're in a good place. I'm currently heading home from work but when I get back I'll post some more exhaustive thoughts.
flatearthpandas
Member
I can't post much until after work but i can read. I think reads on star, vanguard, and fran are in order. No reason whatsoever to rush the lynch today.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
I was working on a massive read on everybody (going in alphabetical order) that also included who each person either named as suspicious and who they called town or scum (including all lynch votes). I only got to Sorian when GAF crashed and when I came back to look of GAF was restored, I saw what had happened in the night.
Here's just the notes sections for each that I have. The numbers in parentheses is the post number.
11037 (18 posts, not including after-post edits, thru end of day 1--post 988)
-Voted against Style very early (post 200) because of "lack of substantial posts"...on day 1 and before having substantial posts himself.
-Very first post after game started was defense of Star (post 123).
-Leaning scum
-Lynch votes: First voted Style (200), but wound up not voting for anyone (unvote for Style at 767)
BlackBuzzard (18 posts thru Day 1--post 988)
-First post didn't occur until post 248. At post 257, tells Rynam not to worry about his bad English, because it's more fun for everyone involved if people stay active. Irony? At 260, Exodu5 voted against BlackBuzzard for the same irony. At 343, Exodu5 defends BlackBuzzard (basically saying he's made minimal effort, but at least he's made SOME). Exodu5 then changes vote from BlackBuzzard to PK Gaming at 371, agreeing with my post that PK Gaming looks suspicious for not posting much, then suddenly answering when called out for not posting much. At this point, BlackBuzzard had only posted 6 times in total. Heavy scum vibes for BlackBuzzard that Exodu5 (known scum) jumped so quickly onto someone else for doing exactly what BlackBuzzard was doing (and had actually posted less at this point).
-At 338, calls out StarSketch for being mostly inactive, despite the fact that the post where he states this is only his fourth (!) post since the start of the game.
-Calls people out for lack of activity, despite his own lack of activity.
-Heavy scum
-Lynch votes: Vanguard at 366 (for RNG vote), then Style (for "painting a giant bullseye on Flux's back" - post 535)
Exmachina64 (58 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Voted to lynch Sorian after Sorian randomly voted to lynch him (91). Claims at 154 he never actually suspected Sorian.
-Accuses Vanguard of deflecting suspicion from himself at 251. Probably joking.
-Possibly fished for PR players to role claim at 273 (or at the very least exposed that he's either scum or gave a vanilla town read by asking if there are power roles in the game...a PR player would already know if there are power roles). Exodu5 (known scum) calls him out on it, but since he's scum, it was an act. This was his second time in short period where he tried to put heat on exmachina64 (254 and 284).
-Argues with Exodu5, with Exodu5 claiming exmachina64 is soft claiming a PR (argument begins at 587)
-Is lynch-voted by Exodu5 when Day One is drawing to a close, and when only one vote was on him, making it less likely to be a scum casting a vote on scum to make that scum look town (819)
-Difficult to get a read on. Sarcastic. Leaning town, partially due to Exodu5 lynch-voting him (though that couldn't been planned)
-Lynch votes: Sorian (91) (famous OMGUS vote), BlackBuzzard (331), PK Gaming (398), Exodu5 (837)
Flatearthpandas (38 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Calls for Style to role claim on day one (first to mention the idea) (568)
-Heavily leaning town. Has several posts where he asks everyone their opinions on other players (564, 568, 576, 579, 598, maybe others I've missed), and was the first person to vote against eventual scum, TheExodu5 (720)
-Lynch votes: Franconp (187), Style (485), TheExodu5 (720) FIRST TO LYNCH THEEXODU5
FluxWaveZ (80 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Lays out theories for how many scum players may be in the game in his first post after the game starts (77)
-Believes StarSketch isn't a "normal townie" (81)
-Casts doubt on players often, accusing them of looking scummy, usually without actually calling them scum (StarSketch for her pregame laugh--77, Plop for saying he'll vote soon and will "join the lynch mob before nightfall--134, 142, Exmachina64 for unvoting Sorian after Sorian took his vote off Exmachina64--150, Style for possibly voting to lynch Vanguard because Sorian voted to lynch Vanguard--163, 168, 178, 206 [leads to a lynch vote], 238, Franconp for arguing adamantly against RNG votes, claiming Franconp only argues against them because two RNG votes landed on him--206, inactive players--277, Rynam for saying PK Gaming is worth looking into because "everyone is at this point"--438, PK Gaming for not posting a reads list because it looks like he's "not afraid of getting killed during the upcoming night phase"--861, other instances where he doesn't actually say he doubts someone, but definitely makes it sound like that person is fishy.)
-In agreement with TheExodu5 over new players being ignorant (or "feigning ignorance") not being a good excuse (287)
-At 417, gives a detailed explanation for lynch-voting PK Gaming, but most of it seems like a weak argument. I'm primarily doubtful of the explanation that Flux doesn't like that PK Gaming says StarSketch isn't necessarily shadow but may have a special role in one post, then later PK says she doesn't seem suspicious at all. But there's no contradiction there. PK doesn't see StarSketch as suspicious for scum, which he was consistent about. Yet Flux spends two paragraphs making this point to explain his lynch vote.
-Suggests to Rynam that he could be a sacrificial lamb because Rynam admits he's not getting good reads (434)
-Votes to lynch Style (the easy target at the time) because Style "seems like a Neutral" and he "doesn't like any" of Style's comments. Also, Style had just accused Flux of digging for a PR reveal from StarScream at, which Flux denies (at 462) and then immediately votes to lynch Style, followed by asking PK Gaming to join him in the lynch. PK had been Flux's previous lynch target. (463)
-Pushes hard to lynch inactive players (who are more likely to be town based solely on numbers), but gives an explanation behind his thought process (474 and 478). Not super convincing.
-Flatearthpandas comments that Style may be town, and that if he is, Flux is "basically gone." Flux takes exception to this and suddenly says he's leaning town for Style. This is his first substantive post since a pretty fierce battle against Style detailed above (601)
-Very firm in his mistrust of Style sometimes (lynch votes at 206, 463, and 727), but then calls him town for no stated reason in-between lynch votes (601). Lynch vote of Style at 727 was done immediately after Style's power role claim, and Flux even argued against Hyperactivity after Hyperactivity said he's hesitant about lynching Style following the PR reveal (744)
-Defends TheExodu5 just prior to the end of day one. Would scum be so obvious that they'd openly call an endangered scum a townie to wave off votes? He'd have to know we'd look at who had Exodu5's back...I don't know what to take from this one (913, 934, 948)
-INCREDIBLY weak lynch vote for PK Gaming (914)
-Lynch vote for TheExodu5 after repeatedly arguing that Exodu5 isn't scum. Possible bus vote to look like a townie. The votes were tied at either Exmachina64 or TheExodu5 getting lynched. The fact that Flux chose Exodu5 (who turned out to be scum) could mean either he bussed his fellow scum and didn't go after townie Exmachina64 because the tide was against Exodu5, he didn't know Exodu5 was scum, or both Exmachina64 and Exodu5 are scum along with Flux and Flux voted for Exodu5 because that's where the tide was going. Again, I don't know. (978)
-Moderately scummy. Getting past the insanity of the last few minutes of voting, his reasons for lynch votes have been fairly weak. Before finally voting to lynch the guy everyone else was going after, his ultimate target was PK Gaming for reasons such as: "bad vibes" and "a feeling I can't shake."
-Lynch votes: Style (206), PK Gaming (348), Style (463), PK Gaming (492), Style (727), PK Gaming (914), TheExodu5 (978)
Franconp (73 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Reacts defensively to plop's RNG vote on him (143) and argues with Sorian about it because Sorian also thinks he's over-reacting (147, 153, 159, 180)
-Reacts defensively to Flatearthpanda's vote against him, stating that no real motive for the vote was given (though one was. FEP was pressuring Franconp for his reaction to Plop's RNG vote) (191, 225, 229, 275)
-Questions Style over Style's post that he's reading Fran as scum (307)
-Odd habit of arguing against anyone who votes for him, even when he's nowhere near the vote lead
-Accuses Exmachina64 of possible fishing for a role claim when Exmachina64 asks for clarification as to whether or not there are power roles (279)
-Disagrees with TheExodu5 voting "early" (his vote was for Style) (528)
-Says if Exmachina64 is scum, Vanguard is town and vice versa, mostly based on Exmachina64's post at 251 (572, 578)
-TheExodu5 (confirmed scum) calls Franconp out as scum for arguing with FEP (as discussed above) and suddenly dropping the argument (Fran defends this at 600), making me think Franconp is likely town (592)
-Possible suspicion of BlackBuzzard for only giving reads on easy targets (669)
-Argues with Hyperactivity that we need hard reads of each other, not fluff (also makes me think Franconp is town) (674, 678, 687)
-"If Buzzard flips scum, I would go after Hyper" because of Hyper's oddly positive opinions of BlackBuzzard's posts (I agree) (806)
-Leaning town because TheExodu5 went after him, and because his views on several players (BlackBuzzard being suspect number one) match mine.
-Lynch votes: BlackBuzzard (806), Exmachina64 (919)
Hyperactivity (replacement for Rats Off To Ya) (68 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Cautions Franconp against forcing reads (668), then argues his point that it's too soon for strong scum reads and short "gut feeling" reads are better than long lists (670, 681)
-Defends BlackBuzzard as someone who contributes, though he's only had 18 total posts for the entire first day, and Buzzard's lynch votes and reads call out others for lack of activity... (719)
-Recommends lynching Sorian if Sorian is still alive after day four, unless Sorian is confirmed town by several known townies (719)
-Very weak defense of his call that StarSketch is town (719)
-Correctly calls Exodu5 scum (due to stating we should converge our lynch votes, and because Exodu5 used the scum term "bus"), but then walks it back in the same post. Not sure what to think here...(719)
-"Semi-seriously" says that Sorian (if scum) is partnered with either Natiko, Style, or Franconp, although at this point in the game he's neutral on Sorian and has Natiko listed as town (728)
-Makes reference to "not seeing too many concerning post count numbers" despite BlackBuzzard, Matt Attack, and StarSketch (as well as others) having very few posts (738)
-Defends PK Gaming and others with low activity (741)
-First to push Style to answer whether or not his PR means any scum kill attempts are blocked, regardless of target. Could just be curious, or could be he's scum fishing for answers to know whether the scum should just vote to not kill the first night (754 and continues through most of his posts in the 700-range)
-Sorian says (at 835) that Hyperactivity "writes a ton for no reason" and "if you feel it's all misguided and typed for no reason, he's probably town. If you feel he has an agenda, probably scum." Hyper's defense of this was in reference to another game of Mafia (869)
-Calls BlackBuzzard "a top town read." Again, based on what?? BlackBuzzard hasn't done anything of note. At all. (870)
-Posts sample BlackBuzzard posts and defends them with "I might not find them too useful individually, but I honestly don't see why people would think he's scum," and "read these posts again and tell me scum would make them," which, admittedly, I don't know the small signs to look for to see a scum post, but the posts also don't scream town to me either. And the defense of "they just look SO not scum!" is just unbelievably weak (888)
-Says his town reads on BlackBuzzard, Plop, and StarSketch are "so strong it literally hurts" (890)
-Gives rundown of thoughts on TheExodu5. Believes he's trying to find reasons to vote for someone rather than finding someone to vote for with good reason. Notes aggressiveness. Notes how this is in contrast to how Exodu5 acted in a previous game, and states he may have gone too far in the other direction from his role there (969)
-Tells Sorian he'll do the tiebreaker at 977. Flux at 978 says Hyper's actions show he's a townie with our best intentions at heart (I fail to see how). The whole thing reads like scum building up the image of scum while bussing a third scum who was about to be lynched anyway.
-One to keep an eye on. A very close eye. But null for now.
-Lynch votes: Sorian (684), Hyperactivity (699), Exmachina64 (722), TheExodu5 (920), Exmachina64 (928), TheExodu5 (945), PK Gaming (972), TheExodu5 (980)
Matt Attack (7 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Defends StarSketch's pregame post and suggests keeping an eye on those who want to go after her for that post (182).
-Suggests remembering that StarSketch posted "rip ouro" after the game started and then nothing else (which is odd considering Matt has 7 total posts through the entire first day) (182)
-Agrees with Exodu5 about Exmachina64 possibly leaving hints about himself being vanilla town after asking if there are power roles in the game (322)
-Admits to having a "contribute when you feel the time is right" playstyle (495)
-Posts a long breakdown of his reads, but most of them are neutral/null (802)
-Before being lynched, TheExodu5 said Matt is showing a definite shift from his usual town play in past games, though he says it could be because Matt has just gained confidence since they last played together. (908)
-Null on this one. I really want to give him a scum tag, but I'm nowhere near experienced enough to know if his silence and lack of calling people out is just how he plays or if it's a sign of scum. Several other players make note of Matt's absence but then say things like "when he does post, it's a strong and informative post." I'd say that's mostly false (as evidenced by his non-committed read list at 802, but some of the folks saying this are both very experienced and are players I get strong town vibes from...Frustratingly low amount of information.
-Lynch votes: Style (182), Vanguard (802)
Natiko (24 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Claims to be new, but says "seems like the start of the game is always the hardest part" at post 78. How would you have an opinion like that if you've never played before? Of course, there's the possibility that he's played online mafia elsewhere...until you consider his post at 89 where he sounds as if he has no clue that scum communicate via their own private chat. Still, it's possible he's played mafia in real life. Does say at 185 that he's read thru one and a half gafia games, which does alleviate some of my doubt.
-Suggests he's going to wait a while and then "throw a vote" on someone who's "noticeably late in joining in" (83)
-Possible deflection of suspicion against scum teammates by saying "I'd be surprised if at least one of the people suddenly being aggressive aren't scum." An odd thing to point out in an otherwise empty post unless you're trying to help a scummate who's being aggressive. (454)
-Says if PK Gaming isn't scum, FluxWaveZ is (789)
-At 789, picks Zippedpinhead as scum for inactivity and only giving a single RNG vote early on. Not long after (post 816) Zippedpinhead votes to lynch Natiko. Makes me think Zippedpinhead is scum and pushes Natiko to town for me, for now.
-At 844, wonders if Vanguard is actually scum because of how hard he pushed against Style, then suddenly backing off when he caught flak for it.
-Leaning town. Not super active, but good reads I mostly agree with.
-Lynch votes: Kerned (208), PK Gaming (789)
PK Gaming (23 posts thru day one--post 988)
-States opinion that StarSketch likely isn't scum and likely has a power role based on pregame message about her role PM (84, 347, 353, 444)
-After making one post since the start of the game, PK disappears for some time. Finally, PK is called out for it, appears, and says he disappeared because he doesn't have anything to sink his teeth into yet and hasn't done intense scrutiny. Then, in the same post, lays out some opinions of other players. Three of those players he says are likely town (Sorian, Exodu5, and Flux). Of those three, Exodu5 is confirmed scum, Flux is someone I suspect of being scum, and Sorian is difficult to say. (347)
-Says Style is "a goof" because of bad plays. Then says if he had to vote anyone, it would be Style because "he's just too dangerous to leave alone" (347)
-Worth noting that Exodu5 (confirmed scum) called out PK Gaming as suspicious following PK's vote against Style, saying Style was an easy target. This makes me lean more toward PK as town (359)
-Moderate town read. I agree with him on his reads of 11037 and BlackBuzzard as scum. Questions about play were reasonably answered and could be due to being new as well. PK was my prime suspect for day one lynching, but I now believe I was likely wrong.
-Lynch votes: Style (353), FluxWaveZ (445), TheExodu5 (860)
Sorian (135 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Says if Flatearthpandas is scum, Matt Attack is town, and vice versa (because why would scum Matt call out scum FEP for no reason?) (323) This makes me think Matt is scum.
-Calls out TheExodu5 (confirmed scum) for using the scum term "bus." The fact that he does this and doesn't accept Exodu5's excuses afterward makes me think Sorian is town. Sure, Sorian is next level good, but to call out a scummate and then ride him like that just doesn't seem productive (544)
-More to do with Vanguard than Sorian, but in an argument with Sorian, TheExodu5 goes out of his way to cast doubt on Sorian's lynch vote against Vanguard... (592)
Tl;dr:
11037: Leaning scum
BlackBuzzard: Scum
Exmachina64: Leaning town
Flatearthpandas: Leaning town
FluxWaveZ: Leaning scum
Franconp: Leaning town
Hyperactivity: Null
Matt Attack: Null
Natiko: Leaning town
PK Gaming: Town
Sorian: Town (duh)
And for those I didn't get to on my analysis yet:
StarSketch: Nowhere near active enough to get a good read. Leaning scum.
Style: Burn him to the ground.
TheExodu5: Duh
Ty4on: Also duh
Vanguard: Scum (and Sorian agreed)
Verelios: Leaning town
WhereAreMahDragonz: Null (not enough info). If pressed, leaning scum
Zippedpinhead: Null (not enough info). If pressed, leaning town
Here's just the notes sections for each that I have. The numbers in parentheses is the post number.
11037 (18 posts, not including after-post edits, thru end of day 1--post 988)
-Voted against Style very early (post 200) because of "lack of substantial posts"...on day 1 and before having substantial posts himself.
-Very first post after game started was defense of Star (post 123).
-Leaning scum
-Lynch votes: First voted Style (200), but wound up not voting for anyone (unvote for Style at 767)
BlackBuzzard (18 posts thru Day 1--post 988)
-First post didn't occur until post 248. At post 257, tells Rynam not to worry about his bad English, because it's more fun for everyone involved if people stay active. Irony? At 260, Exodu5 voted against BlackBuzzard for the same irony. At 343, Exodu5 defends BlackBuzzard (basically saying he's made minimal effort, but at least he's made SOME). Exodu5 then changes vote from BlackBuzzard to PK Gaming at 371, agreeing with my post that PK Gaming looks suspicious for not posting much, then suddenly answering when called out for not posting much. At this point, BlackBuzzard had only posted 6 times in total. Heavy scum vibes for BlackBuzzard that Exodu5 (known scum) jumped so quickly onto someone else for doing exactly what BlackBuzzard was doing (and had actually posted less at this point).
-At 338, calls out StarSketch for being mostly inactive, despite the fact that the post where he states this is only his fourth (!) post since the start of the game.
-Calls people out for lack of activity, despite his own lack of activity.
-Heavy scum
-Lynch votes: Vanguard at 366 (for RNG vote), then Style (for "painting a giant bullseye on Flux's back" - post 535)
Exmachina64 (58 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Voted to lynch Sorian after Sorian randomly voted to lynch him (91). Claims at 154 he never actually suspected Sorian.
-Accuses Vanguard of deflecting suspicion from himself at 251. Probably joking.
-Possibly fished for PR players to role claim at 273 (or at the very least exposed that he's either scum or gave a vanilla town read by asking if there are power roles in the game...a PR player would already know if there are power roles). Exodu5 (known scum) calls him out on it, but since he's scum, it was an act. This was his second time in short period where he tried to put heat on exmachina64 (254 and 284).
-Argues with Exodu5, with Exodu5 claiming exmachina64 is soft claiming a PR (argument begins at 587)
-Is lynch-voted by Exodu5 when Day One is drawing to a close, and when only one vote was on him, making it less likely to be a scum casting a vote on scum to make that scum look town (819)
-Difficult to get a read on. Sarcastic. Leaning town, partially due to Exodu5 lynch-voting him (though that couldn't been planned)
-Lynch votes: Sorian (91) (famous OMGUS vote), BlackBuzzard (331), PK Gaming (398), Exodu5 (837)
Flatearthpandas (38 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Calls for Style to role claim on day one (first to mention the idea) (568)
-Heavily leaning town. Has several posts where he asks everyone their opinions on other players (564, 568, 576, 579, 598, maybe others I've missed), and was the first person to vote against eventual scum, TheExodu5 (720)
-Lynch votes: Franconp (187), Style (485), TheExodu5 (720) FIRST TO LYNCH THEEXODU5
FluxWaveZ (80 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Lays out theories for how many scum players may be in the game in his first post after the game starts (77)
-Believes StarSketch isn't a "normal townie" (81)
-Casts doubt on players often, accusing them of looking scummy, usually without actually calling them scum (StarSketch for her pregame laugh--77, Plop for saying he'll vote soon and will "join the lynch mob before nightfall--134, 142, Exmachina64 for unvoting Sorian after Sorian took his vote off Exmachina64--150, Style for possibly voting to lynch Vanguard because Sorian voted to lynch Vanguard--163, 168, 178, 206 [leads to a lynch vote], 238, Franconp for arguing adamantly against RNG votes, claiming Franconp only argues against them because two RNG votes landed on him--206, inactive players--277, Rynam for saying PK Gaming is worth looking into because "everyone is at this point"--438, PK Gaming for not posting a reads list because it looks like he's "not afraid of getting killed during the upcoming night phase"--861, other instances where he doesn't actually say he doubts someone, but definitely makes it sound like that person is fishy.)
-In agreement with TheExodu5 over new players being ignorant (or "feigning ignorance") not being a good excuse (287)
-At 417, gives a detailed explanation for lynch-voting PK Gaming, but most of it seems like a weak argument. I'm primarily doubtful of the explanation that Flux doesn't like that PK Gaming says StarSketch isn't necessarily shadow but may have a special role in one post, then later PK says she doesn't seem suspicious at all. But there's no contradiction there. PK doesn't see StarSketch as suspicious for scum, which he was consistent about. Yet Flux spends two paragraphs making this point to explain his lynch vote.
-Suggests to Rynam that he could be a sacrificial lamb because Rynam admits he's not getting good reads (434)
-Votes to lynch Style (the easy target at the time) because Style "seems like a Neutral" and he "doesn't like any" of Style's comments. Also, Style had just accused Flux of digging for a PR reveal from StarScream at, which Flux denies (at 462) and then immediately votes to lynch Style, followed by asking PK Gaming to join him in the lynch. PK had been Flux's previous lynch target. (463)
-Pushes hard to lynch inactive players (who are more likely to be town based solely on numbers), but gives an explanation behind his thought process (474 and 478). Not super convincing.
-Flatearthpandas comments that Style may be town, and that if he is, Flux is "basically gone." Flux takes exception to this and suddenly says he's leaning town for Style. This is his first substantive post since a pretty fierce battle against Style detailed above (601)
-Very firm in his mistrust of Style sometimes (lynch votes at 206, 463, and 727), but then calls him town for no stated reason in-between lynch votes (601). Lynch vote of Style at 727 was done immediately after Style's power role claim, and Flux even argued against Hyperactivity after Hyperactivity said he's hesitant about lynching Style following the PR reveal (744)
-Defends TheExodu5 just prior to the end of day one. Would scum be so obvious that they'd openly call an endangered scum a townie to wave off votes? He'd have to know we'd look at who had Exodu5's back...I don't know what to take from this one (913, 934, 948)
-INCREDIBLY weak lynch vote for PK Gaming (914)
-Lynch vote for TheExodu5 after repeatedly arguing that Exodu5 isn't scum. Possible bus vote to look like a townie. The votes were tied at either Exmachina64 or TheExodu5 getting lynched. The fact that Flux chose Exodu5 (who turned out to be scum) could mean either he bussed his fellow scum and didn't go after townie Exmachina64 because the tide was against Exodu5, he didn't know Exodu5 was scum, or both Exmachina64 and Exodu5 are scum along with Flux and Flux voted for Exodu5 because that's where the tide was going. Again, I don't know. (978)
-Moderately scummy. Getting past the insanity of the last few minutes of voting, his reasons for lynch votes have been fairly weak. Before finally voting to lynch the guy everyone else was going after, his ultimate target was PK Gaming for reasons such as: "bad vibes" and "a feeling I can't shake."
-Lynch votes: Style (206), PK Gaming (348), Style (463), PK Gaming (492), Style (727), PK Gaming (914), TheExodu5 (978)
Franconp (73 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Reacts defensively to plop's RNG vote on him (143) and argues with Sorian about it because Sorian also thinks he's over-reacting (147, 153, 159, 180)
-Reacts defensively to Flatearthpanda's vote against him, stating that no real motive for the vote was given (though one was. FEP was pressuring Franconp for his reaction to Plop's RNG vote) (191, 225, 229, 275)
-Questions Style over Style's post that he's reading Fran as scum (307)
-Odd habit of arguing against anyone who votes for him, even when he's nowhere near the vote lead
-Accuses Exmachina64 of possible fishing for a role claim when Exmachina64 asks for clarification as to whether or not there are power roles (279)
-Disagrees with TheExodu5 voting "early" (his vote was for Style) (528)
-Says if Exmachina64 is scum, Vanguard is town and vice versa, mostly based on Exmachina64's post at 251 (572, 578)
-TheExodu5 (confirmed scum) calls Franconp out as scum for arguing with FEP (as discussed above) and suddenly dropping the argument (Fran defends this at 600), making me think Franconp is likely town (592)
-Possible suspicion of BlackBuzzard for only giving reads on easy targets (669)
-Argues with Hyperactivity that we need hard reads of each other, not fluff (also makes me think Franconp is town) (674, 678, 687)
-"If Buzzard flips scum, I would go after Hyper" because of Hyper's oddly positive opinions of BlackBuzzard's posts (I agree) (806)
-Leaning town because TheExodu5 went after him, and because his views on several players (BlackBuzzard being suspect number one) match mine.
-Lynch votes: BlackBuzzard (806), Exmachina64 (919)
Hyperactivity (replacement for Rats Off To Ya) (68 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Cautions Franconp against forcing reads (668), then argues his point that it's too soon for strong scum reads and short "gut feeling" reads are better than long lists (670, 681)
-Defends BlackBuzzard as someone who contributes, though he's only had 18 total posts for the entire first day, and Buzzard's lynch votes and reads call out others for lack of activity... (719)
-Recommends lynching Sorian if Sorian is still alive after day four, unless Sorian is confirmed town by several known townies (719)
-Very weak defense of his call that StarSketch is town (719)
-Correctly calls Exodu5 scum (due to stating we should converge our lynch votes, and because Exodu5 used the scum term "bus"), but then walks it back in the same post. Not sure what to think here...(719)
-"Semi-seriously" says that Sorian (if scum) is partnered with either Natiko, Style, or Franconp, although at this point in the game he's neutral on Sorian and has Natiko listed as town (728)
-Makes reference to "not seeing too many concerning post count numbers" despite BlackBuzzard, Matt Attack, and StarSketch (as well as others) having very few posts (738)
-Defends PK Gaming and others with low activity (741)
-First to push Style to answer whether or not his PR means any scum kill attempts are blocked, regardless of target. Could just be curious, or could be he's scum fishing for answers to know whether the scum should just vote to not kill the first night (754 and continues through most of his posts in the 700-range)
-Sorian says (at 835) that Hyperactivity "writes a ton for no reason" and "if you feel it's all misguided and typed for no reason, he's probably town. If you feel he has an agenda, probably scum." Hyper's defense of this was in reference to another game of Mafia (869)
-Calls BlackBuzzard "a top town read." Again, based on what?? BlackBuzzard hasn't done anything of note. At all. (870)
-Posts sample BlackBuzzard posts and defends them with "I might not find them too useful individually, but I honestly don't see why people would think he's scum," and "read these posts again and tell me scum would make them," which, admittedly, I don't know the small signs to look for to see a scum post, but the posts also don't scream town to me either. And the defense of "they just look SO not scum!" is just unbelievably weak (888)
-Says his town reads on BlackBuzzard, Plop, and StarSketch are "so strong it literally hurts" (890)
-Gives rundown of thoughts on TheExodu5. Believes he's trying to find reasons to vote for someone rather than finding someone to vote for with good reason. Notes aggressiveness. Notes how this is in contrast to how Exodu5 acted in a previous game, and states he may have gone too far in the other direction from his role there (969)
-Tells Sorian he'll do the tiebreaker at 977. Flux at 978 says Hyper's actions show he's a townie with our best intentions at heart (I fail to see how). The whole thing reads like scum building up the image of scum while bussing a third scum who was about to be lynched anyway.
-One to keep an eye on. A very close eye. But null for now.
-Lynch votes: Sorian (684), Hyperactivity (699), Exmachina64 (722), TheExodu5 (920), Exmachina64 (928), TheExodu5 (945), PK Gaming (972), TheExodu5 (980)
Matt Attack (7 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Defends StarSketch's pregame post and suggests keeping an eye on those who want to go after her for that post (182).
-Suggests remembering that StarSketch posted "rip ouro" after the game started and then nothing else (which is odd considering Matt has 7 total posts through the entire first day) (182)
-Agrees with Exodu5 about Exmachina64 possibly leaving hints about himself being vanilla town after asking if there are power roles in the game (322)
-Admits to having a "contribute when you feel the time is right" playstyle (495)
-Posts a long breakdown of his reads, but most of them are neutral/null (802)
-Before being lynched, TheExodu5 said Matt is showing a definite shift from his usual town play in past games, though he says it could be because Matt has just gained confidence since they last played together. (908)
-Null on this one. I really want to give him a scum tag, but I'm nowhere near experienced enough to know if his silence and lack of calling people out is just how he plays or if it's a sign of scum. Several other players make note of Matt's absence but then say things like "when he does post, it's a strong and informative post." I'd say that's mostly false (as evidenced by his non-committed read list at 802, but some of the folks saying this are both very experienced and are players I get strong town vibes from...Frustratingly low amount of information.
-Lynch votes: Style (182), Vanguard (802)
Natiko (24 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Claims to be new, but says "seems like the start of the game is always the hardest part" at post 78. How would you have an opinion like that if you've never played before? Of course, there's the possibility that he's played online mafia elsewhere...until you consider his post at 89 where he sounds as if he has no clue that scum communicate via their own private chat. Still, it's possible he's played mafia in real life. Does say at 185 that he's read thru one and a half gafia games, which does alleviate some of my doubt.
-Suggests he's going to wait a while and then "throw a vote" on someone who's "noticeably late in joining in" (83)
-Possible deflection of suspicion against scum teammates by saying "I'd be surprised if at least one of the people suddenly being aggressive aren't scum." An odd thing to point out in an otherwise empty post unless you're trying to help a scummate who's being aggressive. (454)
-Says if PK Gaming isn't scum, FluxWaveZ is (789)
-At 789, picks Zippedpinhead as scum for inactivity and only giving a single RNG vote early on. Not long after (post 816) Zippedpinhead votes to lynch Natiko. Makes me think Zippedpinhead is scum and pushes Natiko to town for me, for now.
-At 844, wonders if Vanguard is actually scum because of how hard he pushed against Style, then suddenly backing off when he caught flak for it.
-Leaning town. Not super active, but good reads I mostly agree with.
-Lynch votes: Kerned (208), PK Gaming (789)
PK Gaming (23 posts thru day one--post 988)
-States opinion that StarSketch likely isn't scum and likely has a power role based on pregame message about her role PM (84, 347, 353, 444)
-After making one post since the start of the game, PK disappears for some time. Finally, PK is called out for it, appears, and says he disappeared because he doesn't have anything to sink his teeth into yet and hasn't done intense scrutiny. Then, in the same post, lays out some opinions of other players. Three of those players he says are likely town (Sorian, Exodu5, and Flux). Of those three, Exodu5 is confirmed scum, Flux is someone I suspect of being scum, and Sorian is difficult to say. (347)
-Says Style is "a goof" because of bad plays. Then says if he had to vote anyone, it would be Style because "he's just too dangerous to leave alone" (347)
-Worth noting that Exodu5 (confirmed scum) called out PK Gaming as suspicious following PK's vote against Style, saying Style was an easy target. This makes me lean more toward PK as town (359)
-Moderate town read. I agree with him on his reads of 11037 and BlackBuzzard as scum. Questions about play were reasonably answered and could be due to being new as well. PK was my prime suspect for day one lynching, but I now believe I was likely wrong.
-Lynch votes: Style (353), FluxWaveZ (445), TheExodu5 (860)
Sorian (135 posts thru day one--post 988)
-Says if Flatearthpandas is scum, Matt Attack is town, and vice versa (because why would scum Matt call out scum FEP for no reason?) (323) This makes me think Matt is scum.
-Calls out TheExodu5 (confirmed scum) for using the scum term "bus." The fact that he does this and doesn't accept Exodu5's excuses afterward makes me think Sorian is town. Sure, Sorian is next level good, but to call out a scummate and then ride him like that just doesn't seem productive (544)
-More to do with Vanguard than Sorian, but in an argument with Sorian, TheExodu5 goes out of his way to cast doubt on Sorian's lynch vote against Vanguard... (592)
Tl;dr:
11037: Leaning scum
BlackBuzzard: Scum
Exmachina64: Leaning town
Flatearthpandas: Leaning town
FluxWaveZ: Leaning scum
Franconp: Leaning town
Hyperactivity: Null
Matt Attack: Null
Natiko: Leaning town
PK Gaming: Town
Sorian: Town (duh)
And for those I didn't get to on my analysis yet:
StarSketch: Nowhere near active enough to get a good read. Leaning scum.
Style: Burn him to the ground.
TheExodu5: Duh
Ty4on: Also duh
Vanguard: Scum (and Sorian agreed)
Verelios: Leaning town
WhereAreMahDragonz: Null (not enough info). If pressed, leaning scum
Zippedpinhead: Null (not enough info). If pressed, leaning town
Ty investigating Style would be ridiculous given how suspect Style was at the time, it would just be suicide.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I would like to look at Matt Attack and Zipped today. I've been a little busy with work but with the holidays coming up I'll be around more.
Buzzard, please explain your vote on Style despite his PR claim.
Style, do you have anything concrete to give us in regards to proving what you say? If Sorian invited you to a gossip chat, that does not necessarily make you town, either. Explain again why you decided to save yourself? I find it hard to believe that Sorian would have supported such a careless play.
Buzzard, please explain your vote on Style despite his PR claim.
Style, do you have anything concrete to give us in regards to proving what you say? If Sorian invited you to a gossip chat, that does not necessarily make you town, either. Explain again why you decided to save yourself? I find it hard to believe that Sorian would have supported such a careless play.
Eh, looking back at some of Ty4on's posts I'm starting to doubt he investigated Style. He warms us to Style as a townie. Initially he voted for PK Gaming. Could he have investigated Sorian? Sure, but reading back through his posts he believes they're town, and I wouldn't think he would waste a night investigating him.
His reads lists are found here. His "Lean Scum" members are Flatearthpanda, StarSketch and PK Gaming.
His reads lists are found here. His "Lean Scum" members are Flatearthpanda, StarSketch and PK Gaming.